[06:08] <dvrr> MooDoo: Hiiiiiiii
[06:15] <MooDoo> hiiiiiiiiii
[07:03] <MartijnVdS> iiiiiiiiiiih
[07:12] <AlanBell> morning
[07:12] <AlanBell> well it looks like the phone went past the pebble watch milestone
[07:12] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[07:20] <ali1234> reaching 50% is still a possibility
[07:21] <ali1234> it isn't beyond the imagination that they've already lined up a deal with a big backer who will put in 50% or whatever is left at the end, but only if the community reaches 50% first
[08:23] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:28] <DJones> Morning
[08:34] <mungbean> morn
[08:43] <MooDoo> morning
[08:44] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Friday and happy Tell A Joke Day! :-D
[08:46] <dvrr> ubuntu server cpu utilization 100 percent
[08:48] <dvrr> MooDoo:ubuntu server cpu utilization 100 percent  taking please tel me
[08:49] <dwatkins> dvrr: what does "top" show is using the most CPU?
[08:51] <dvrr> please open this url http://paste.ubuntu.com/5992028/
[08:51] <dwatkins> ok, so you have a java application that's using up all your CPU time
[08:51] <MooDoo> what java stuff are you running?
[08:51] <dwatkins> well, most of it.
[08:52] <MooDoo> running a minecraft server? ;)
[08:53] <dvrr> jdk1.7
[08:53] <MooDoo> yeah what you running on the server that uses the jdk?
[08:53] <mungbean> you are running everything as root :-|
[08:53] <mungbean> (not the actual problem but an observation anyway)
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: it *is* an actual problem, usually
[08:54] <dwatkins> it's a security problem at least.
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> especially with Java's notable insecurities
[08:54] <mungbean> a problem , but not *the* problem in hand
[08:54] <MooDoo> well that's a side note, lets see if we can help his java issue ;)
[08:54] <dvrr> present running applications liferaytomcat, mysql, apache,mod_jk
[08:55] <mungbean> ps -ef | grep 2954
[08:55] <MooDoo> do any of them use java?
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> well if you don't run it as root, it's also easier to set limits (CPU usage limits, memory limits, etc.) :)
[08:55] <mungbean> rather large mem too, must be tomcat
[08:56] <MartijnVdS> *le shuddre*
[08:56] <mungbean> ps -ef will tell yout he parent process and the command line too
[08:56] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: oh, I've always used "ps faux" for that :)
[08:56] <MartijnVdS> or "ps fax" if I don't care about usernames
[08:56] <mungbean> or ps -efl
[08:57] <dvrr> # ps -ef | grep 2954   using   root     28969 28919  0 14:26 pts/0    00:00:00 grep --color=auto 2954
[08:58] <mungbean> that's it?
[08:58] <mungbean> seems like the java process has stopped or respawned with new process id
[08:58] <MartijnVdS> have you checked its logfiles?
[08:58] <mungbean> top will tell you again
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> it could be in a start-crash-restart-loop
[09:00] <dvrr> java process stop my tomcat  server also  stop
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> dvrr: please check its logfile, it might contain hints about what's wrong.
[09:01] <dvrr> which log files tomcat or system logs
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> both, but start with tomcat logs.
[09:02] <dvrr> please wait  i will check log files
[09:03] <bigcalm> Please hold the line, your call is important to us
[09:03] <mungbean> do-do-do-doooo-do-do-doooo
[09:03] <dwatkins> The number you are calling knows you are waiting...
[09:03] <mungbean> you are number....one in the queue
[09:04] <dwatkins> please note your call may be recorded for training and quality purposes.
[09:05] <MooDoo> calls are currently being charged at a pound a minute, max call length 30 mins.
[09:06] <mungbean> http://twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/internet-usage-of-the-world-based-on-time-of-day_2.gif
[09:07] <dwatkins> mungbean: are you subscribed to /r/mapporn as well? ;)
[09:07] <mungbean> the small print suggests the premise is a bit flaky though
[09:07] <dwatkins> (safe for work, it's just maps)
[09:07] <mungbean> /r/dataisbeautiful
[09:07] <dwatkins> ah yes, sorry, that's the other one I'm on
[09:07] <mungbean> i refuse to sub to any /r/ called *pron
[09:07] <mungbean> cos its just silly
[09:07] <dwatkins> yeah, it's a silly naming convention
[09:09] <mungbean> dvrr could give us a whole ps -efl listing and we could see command line and parent pid
[09:11] <mungbean> front page of linux magazine sep2013 issue: GNU Hurd, discovering the lost OS
[09:12] <dwatkins> Wow, I'd assumed Hurd was a forgotten project.
[09:12] <mungbean> only one in the office today. this has been an unsatisfying week
[09:12] <dwatkins> Loads of people are on leave, so not a lot is getting done.
[09:14] <mungbean> i hate turning up when there's nothing to do. i could work at home instead
[09:14] <mungbean> hmm somebody is coming
[09:15] <dwatkins> quick, hide the linux magazines! ;)
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> eww, why are the pages all sticky
[09:17]  * dwatkins is reminded of Doctor Doolittle and the map book which the monkey filled with jam to make sure they went where he wanted them to go
[09:21] <dvrr> mungbean: ps -efl   http://paste.ubuntu.com/5992104/
[09:22] <mungbean> dvrr: seems to be truncated
[09:22] <mungbean> don't see most of the processes from top
[09:25] <dvrr> i am running only three app but it's taking 100 present  & my RAM  16 gb
[09:25] <dvrr> how to fix this problem
[09:26] <MooDoo> I think you need to go do some research via google.
[09:26]  * popey slaps MooDoo 
[09:27]  * MooDoo sits in the corner and sulks
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> serverfault then?
[09:27] <popey> dvrr: if java is eating lots of cpu then chances are the java application you're running is making it do that
[09:27] <dwatkins> is there nothing useful in the log files? does the problem occurr after a reboot as well?
[09:28] <popey> dvrr: and that application (tomcat?) should be the first thing to examine
[09:28] <popey> as dwatkins says, log files for tomcat may reveal insights
[09:28] <mungbean> we didn't see the whole process list
[09:28] <popey> indeed
[09:28] <popey> -!- MooDoo [~paulmello@unaffiliated/moodoo] has left #ubuntu-uk [RAGEPART!]
[09:31] <dvrr> how to see java howmuch cpu taking
[09:33] <popey> This may help.. http://rajikak.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/debugging-high-cpu-consumption-java.html
[09:33] <dvrr> thank you
[09:42] <mungbean> anyone use nuvola music player?
[09:50] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:11] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:44] <Monotoko> can't wait for lunch,,,
[10:44] <Monotoko> *...
[10:47] <bigcalm> Then don't
[10:47] <bigcalm> Go go go
[10:56] <mungbean> wonder what the chacnes that sainsburys have put the ready meal i want on the shelves by now
[10:56] <mungbean> shelf was bare at 9;30
[11:02] <mungbean> version control in owncloud works pretty smooth
[11:08] <NET||abuse> hi guys. i'm trying to rtp stream audio from my mic on my home laptop to vlc locally
[11:09] <NET||abuse> my i'm not hearing anything yet
[11:09] <NET||abuse> i run avconv -f alsa -i hw:0,0 -acodec libmp3lame -ab 32k -ac 1 -re -f rtp rtp://192.168.7.11:1234
[11:09] <NET||abuse> the comand line shows stuff happening, ffmpeg(avconv) seems happy
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> does recording it to a file work?
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> (and then playing back later)
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> is the mic muted?
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> or low-volumed
[11:10] <NET||abuse> i port forward with ssh so localhost:1234 maps to 192.168.7.11:1234 and use vlc localy
[11:10] <NET||abuse> emm, that's a good idea, i'll try that
[11:10] <NET||abuse> need to make ffmpeg record to a file for a minute and then transfer the file.
[11:11] <NET||abuse> alsamixer on the command line seems to be ok, i turned capture of the mic up real high
[11:11] <NET||abuse> and mic boost, but not getting even background noise outa vlc locally.
[11:11] <dvrr> popey:  java run different process id's in top command which one i have to kill  please open this url http://paste.ubuntu.com/5992304/
[11:12] <popey> i have no idea dvrr
[11:12] <dvrr> please  tel me
[11:14] <popey> dvrr: i dont know
[11:18] <NET||abuse> awsome... audio to mp3 worked!
[11:18] <NET||abuse> now, just to figure out why hte stream doesn't
[11:18] <mungbean> are you snooping on somebody NET||abuse :P
[11:18] <NET||abuse> on my doggies
[11:18] <mungbean> snuffle snuffle chomp slurp woof
[11:19] <NET||abuse> well, i have a friends dog over and they were curious if he would bark if he had company as he apparently does on his own
[11:19] <NET||abuse> so i want to turn on audio and just have it in the background to get a sense of how much noise he makes when in company of my dog
[11:19] <NET||abuse> I have motion seeing what they get up to, and they're rolling around every few minutes play fighting
[11:25] <NET||abuse> I might be mis understanding the -f rtp rtp://x.x.x.:1234  bit,, the machine which is hosting the mic and webcam, do i put it's ip and a port for it to listen on in that address?
[11:26] <mungbean> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14298400/using-avconv-to-stream-live-audio-from-in-line-alsa-hw0-0-over-wireless-acces
[11:27] <mungbean> is it over WAN or same lan?
[11:27] <NET||abuse> ahh, hmm , i'm sshing in from office
[11:27] <NET||abuse> so from office i do ssh -L 1234:ipofwebcambox:1234
[11:27] <NET||abuse> then point my vlc player at office laptop localhost:1234
[11:28] <NET||abuse> so i don't want to do that as the rtp stream is a directed stream, not a server waiting for me to just start listening to the stream
[11:28] <NET||abuse> is that right?
[11:28] <mungbean> :-S dunno
[11:32] <NET||abuse> hmm, tried directing the rtp://x.x.x to the ip of the box i'm ssh'ing to, then -L 1234:127.0.0.1:1234  then vlc on office laptop i'm sshing in from opening localhost:1234
[11:32] <NET||abuse> still no audio
[11:33] <isleofmandan> Forgive me if I sound stupid. Currently running Dell XPS 13 DevEd with stock kernel (3.2.0-52) and having terrible wifi issues. Forums suggest "apt-get install linux-backports-modules-cw-3.8-precise-generic". Can someone confirm that this will just add latest wifi drivers to my current kernel? I don't want to break all the other nice things about this laptop!
[11:41] <isleofmandan> also, if I want to back out of the change, can I just "apt-get remove linux-backports...." ?
[11:47] <Monotoko> anyone here know how Postfix deals with SQL?
[11:48] <Monotoko> I have an SQL query (absolutely horrible) but I'm not sure how the query knows which email is being used...
[11:51] <mungbean> isleofmandan: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/canonical_kernel_team/precise/main/base/linux-backports-modules-cw-3.8-precise-generic sys it's an empty package :-|
[11:52] <mungbean> http://pastebin.com/Dihg66Wk
[11:52] <mungbean> contents of the deb file
[12:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone fancy answering a simple Java question? I have a string. If that string does not have a leading zero I want to add one. It may be of variable length?
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: Strings in Java are immutable, you'll have to create a new instance (of type String ;)) and return that
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: you might want to look at the "StringBuilder" class
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: StringBuilder MyStringBuilder = new StringBuilder("World!");
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> MyStringBuilder.Insert(0,"Hello "); // Hello World!
[12:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> String.format() seems to be the cookie but I can't get the syntax.
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: String result = String.format("The format method is %s!", "great");
[12:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> So, can I test for a leading zero and add one then?
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: it sounds like you have a number instead of a string?>
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: you can say:
[12:28] <MartijnVdS> String result; if (!original.startsWith('0')) { result = String.format("0%s", original); } else { result = original; }
[12:28] <MartijnVdS> or something similar
[12:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks: !row12.Office_Phone.startsWith("0") ? "0" + row12.Office_Phone : row12.Office_Phone
[12:35] <MartijnVdS> that works?
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> <-- not a professional java wrangler ;)
[12:36] <ali1234> you could remove the double negative there
[12:37] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171104024854 has gone on sale
[12:37] <MartijnVdS> £60?!
[12:38] <mungbean> specs?
[12:38] <mungbean> RAM, storage?
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> 1.0 GHz Cortex-A5
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> 512 MB ROM, 256 MB RAM
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> 3.5" TFT 320 x 480 Pixels
[12:38] <mungbean> wheres that written?
[12:38] <mungbean> sounds similar to my htc desire
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: behind the "Specifications" link on the ebay page
[12:39] <ali1234> well that's certainly a bit more affordable than the edge :)
[12:39] <popey> 137 sold
[12:39] <mungbean> cheers MartijnVdS missed that bit
[12:40] <mungbean> worse display than htc
[12:40] <mungbean> http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire-3077.php
[12:42] <popey> it is a stupidly cheap phone though
[12:43] <mungbean> but i wonder how that display looks
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: probably similar to most previous-era phones
[12:43] <mungbean> its essentially a 4yr old phone
[12:44] <mungbean> its the htc g1
[12:45] <mgdm> My girlfriend needs a new phone, but I'm not sure how beta the OS is
[12:45] <popey> you could probably put CM on it?
[12:45] <mungbean> which one of you just bought one :P
[12:46] <mungbean> as the football season is about to start, have a little lol at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MusyO7J2inM
[12:47] <mungbean> it looks like the zte san francisco phone which was £99 last year
[12:47] <isleofmandan> mungbean: Thanks. I assume there's no point installing empty packages!
[12:47] <mungbean> isleofmandan: there could be
[12:47] <mungbean> might check for presence of package and do something else
[12:47] <mungbean> i'd go for it
[12:47] <mungbean> and reboot
[12:48] <mungbean> check what dmesg says before and after
[12:48] <isleofmandan> mungbean: OK. I'll give it a shot. There's a user in Dell support forums who claims it has fixed things for him.
[12:48] <mungbean> i saw that
[12:48] <isleofmandan> I hope it does. Droppy-out wireless on a machine without an Ethernet port is very annoying :)
[12:51] <isleofmandan> dependecy hell ensues... Oh well.
[12:51] <isleofmandan> It doesn't want to install
[13:03] <popey> https://plus.google.com/u/0/115831017343671643958/posts/eFnigFXxhM5
[13:03] <popey> ☻
[13:05] <mungbean> what's all this about? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100-Genuine-HTC-Desire-C-top-power-button-Silver-side-on-off-wake-switch-key-/300932380622?pt=UK_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item4610f7b7ce
[13:05] <mungbean> price 995 , and 2 sold?
[13:06] <mgdm> **** Temporarily re-priced to prevent purchase whilst missing stock is located ****
[13:06] <mgdm> check the description
[13:06] <mungbean> ah
[13:06] <mungbean> saw a few v high ones
[13:06] <SuperMatt> I'm quite surprised that the news that Ubuntu has broken all crowd funcding records hasn't surred a push to get it past 32mil
[13:07] <mungbean> :-|
[13:07] <mungbean> optimistic
[13:08] <mungbean> isleofmandan: what errors did you get?
[13:08] <popey> any of you on giffgaff?
[13:09] <SuperMatt> yo
[13:09] <mungbean> popey: yes
[13:09] <popey> i want an app for ubuntu touch like the giffgaff app
[13:09] <mungbean> is this gonna be about the APN
[13:09] <popey> no
[13:09] <popey> API
[13:09] <popey> so close ㋛
[13:09] <mungbean> whats the GG app
[13:09] <popey> the mobile app
[13:10] <mungbean> never seen it
[13:10] <popey> it tells you your current remaining mins/data etc
[13:10] <SuperMatt> ah, I don't have that on my phone
[13:10] <SuperMatt> but seems very useful
[13:10] <mungbean> i get a popup that tells me after a call
[13:10] <SuperMatt> me too
[13:10] <SuperMatt> mostly I have free minutes so I don't see ito
[13:10] <SuperMatt> -o
[13:10] <isleofmandan> mungbean: The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[13:10] <isleofmandan>  linux-backports-modules-cw-3.8-precise-generic : Depends: linux-backports-modules-cw-3.8-3.2.0-52-generic but it is not installable
[13:11] <mungbean> what kernel version you have? (uname -a)
[13:12] <isleofmandan> mungbean: Linux Laptop 3.2.0-52-generic #78+kamal16~DellXPS-Ubuntu
[13:12] <mungbean> popey: official GG app?
[13:12] <popey> ya
[13:12] <mungbean> giffgaff app
[13:12] <mungbean> quetonix
[13:12] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[13:13] <mungbean> doesn't look official
[13:13] <popey> https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/my-giffgaff/id571246020?mt=8
[13:13] <popey> ☻
[13:13] <mungbean>  quetonix August 9, 2013
[13:13] <mungbean> Giffgaff have not opened API access to the public. What this means is I cannot retrieve data from giffgaff servers as I am not affiliated with giffgaff. Therefore there is no way for me to retreive account details and can only nest a webview. This app contains many more functionalities other than the webview. Please look in the preferences section.
[13:14] <popey> yeah, bummer
[13:14] <mungbean> i forgot other phone OS were available
[13:14] <popey> i put a proxy between my phone and giffgaff
[13:15] <popey> i ass u med there was an app for your legacy platform
[13:15] <popey> i was looking at the traffic to see what it did
[13:17] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5992675/
[13:17] <mungbean> "Remember you've got time until midnight on the 12 JUNE 2013 to change your decision if you need to."
[13:17] <mungbean> giffgaff page after i selected for chasback
[13:19] <mungbean> unsure if i have achieved anything today
[13:19] <mungbean> summer sucks
[13:20] <isleofmandan> mungbean: You've helped me out :)
[13:20] <mungbean> unsuccessfully so far...
[13:21] <mungbean> did you add the depends package to the isntall line?
[13:21] <davmor2> isleofmandan: if you try and install linux-backports-modules-cw-3.8-3.2.0-52-generic what error do you get then?
[13:21] <isleofmandan> mungbean: Well, Dell's own support only seems of swapping Intel cards for Atheros ones, or vice versa without acutally solving anything, so don't beat yourself up! ;)
[13:22] <mungbean> i get cc'd on the weirdest unconnected emails
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: are you a manager? ;)
[13:23] <mungbean> bank -> scott cc mungbean blah blah bank acount
[13:23] <mungbean> publisher -> author cc mungbean "Would you do me a favor and send the latest interior of the Berger book as well as the cover file to Barbara, but before you do, can you mark across the cover as well as the first page of the interior "Uncorrected Proof"--this way when Barbara sends it to people it will be clear that this is not the final version?"
[13:23] <mungbean> this is my personal gmail account
[13:23] <mungbean> its like a crossed line
[13:23] <mungbean> on average a few per week
[13:24] <isleofmandan> davmor2: Note, selecting 'linux-backports-modules-cw-3.8-3.2.0-52-generic' for regex 'linux-backports-modules-cw-3.8-3.2.0-52'
[13:24] <isleofmandan> E: Unable to locate package generic
[13:25] <davmor2> isleofmandan: report a bug, and have a chat about the bug on #ubuntu-kernel
[13:25] <mungbean> try just linux-backports-modules-cw
[13:25] <mungbean> nah
[13:25] <isleofmandan> mungbean: unable to locate... etc
[13:26] <mungbean> sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-cw-3.8-precise-generic-pae
[13:27] <mungbean> hmm they seem to be 32 bit versions
[13:27] <mungbean> http://pastebin.com/tympCx67
[13:28] <mungbean> what results do you get for that command?
[13:28] <isleofmandan> davmor2: I'm not sure exactly what bug to report really. All a bit complex. There are already a few bug reports about XPS13 wirless. It doesn't help that Dell has shipped more recent machines like mine with a different card. Wifi still drops, but it appears to be for different reasons to the Intel cards.
[13:29] <mungbean> "The energy giant today revealed it would now only ring those households that "have a relationship" with the business, or ones that have agreed to call, such as by ticking a box on an internet comparison site." cheeky.
[13:29] <mungbean> gocompare etc don't make it easy to unselect the box
[13:29] <davmor2> isleofmandan: one would be that you have naff wifi, the second would be that you can't install linux-backports-modules-cw it is blocked, that is the bit that you can approach the kernel guys about it maybe that it is just a misconfigured module.
[13:31] <isleofmandan> mungbean: linux-backports-modules-cw-3.8-precise-generic-pae:i386 : Depends: linux-backports-modules-cw-3.8-3.2.0-52-generic-pae:i386 but it is not installable
[13:31] <mungbean> do you have backports enabled?
[13:31] <mungbean> ah, try the pastebinned command i did
[13:33] <isleofmandan> mungbean: linux-backports-modules-cw-3.8-precise-generic : Depends: linux-backports-modules-cw-3.8-3.2.0-52-generic but it is not installable  (with the command from pastebin)
[13:33] <mungbean> is backports enabled in software centre?
[13:33] <isleofmandan> let me check...
[13:34]  * mungbean checks too
[13:34] <mungbean> im on precise too
[13:34] <mungbean> ah, on 3.2.0.51 though
[13:34] <mungbean> i think thats your probs
[13:35] <isleofmandan> Unsupported Updates (precise-backports) is ticked
[13:35] <mungbean> where did the .52 kernel come from?
[13:36] <mungbean> i'm not offered that one
[13:36] <isleofmandan> It shipped with the machine. I think It's tweaked by Dell to make sure things like screen brightness, volume controls etc  work...
[13:36] <mungbean> the error message is real
[13:37] <popey> isleofmandan: just catching up
[13:37] <mungbean> you could possibly kludge by downloading the debs required for the .51 kernel , since there are just "empty"
[13:37] <popey> you running 12.04 on an xps 13?
[13:37] <mungbean> dpkg --contents shows whats in a deb
[13:38] <popey> seeing dodgy wireless?
[13:38] <popey> there is a fix
[13:38] <isleofmandan> I'm guessing now though, TBH ;)
[13:38] <isleofmandan> I'm back.. (yup, wifi again!)
[13:38] <popey>  linux-generic-lts-quantal is the kernel you want on 12.04
[13:38] <popey> apt-get install that
[13:39] <mungbean> is that 3.5 or 3.8 popey?
[13:39] <popey> 3.5
[13:39] <popey> 3.8 is raring
[13:39] <popey> linux-generic-lts-raring
[13:41] <isleofmandan> Is there an IRC command that allows me to catch up last few mins? I've missed a few lines while wifi dropped, it seems!
[13:41] <popey> isleofmandan: just sudo apt-get install linux-generic-lts-quantal
[13:41] <popey> that'll fix your wifi
[13:42] <popey> then you can catch up with the irc logs on the web
[13:42] <mungbean> forums are annoying for this reason
[13:42] <isleofmandan> popey:  Thanks. Will it leave hotkeys, suspend, hibernate and all that working too?
[13:42] <mungbean> out of date info sends you down rabbit holes
[13:42] <popey> i believe so
[13:42] <popey> indeed, forums suck
[13:42] <isleofmandan> OK. here goes :)
[13:42] <mungbean> you'll still be able to choose the old kernel at boot time just in case
[13:43] <mungbean> 3.5 fixed an annoying GPU lockup for me
[13:43] <mungbean> eventually made it back into 3.2 though
[13:44] <isleofmandan> popey: I have the newer Atheros Killer card rather than the Intel one, if that matters?
[13:44] <popey> nope
[13:44] <isleofmandan> good :) Installing now
[13:44] <popey> stop asking questions and install it ☻
[13:45] <mungbean> go down the road to sadbfl and ask him :P
[13:45] <popey> heh
[13:45] <isleofmandan> It's tempting... Although I never get invited to his BBQs
[13:45] <mungbean> how big is IOM?
[13:45] <mungbean> diameter?
[13:46] <isleofmandan> about 13 miles wide
[13:46] <mungbean> the IOM irc must be pumping.
[13:46] <mungbean> so the size of london
[13:46] <isleofmandan> I've been trying to start IoMLUG for years...
[13:46] <isleofmandan> 80,000 people here
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> all LUG members?
[13:46] <isleofmandan> so smaller than London that way!
[13:46] <mungbean> i wonder if london could sink it
[13:46] <mungbean> if all the people came and jumped on it
[13:47] <isleofmandan> mungbean :)
[13:47] <mungbean> maybe its like the floating island in life of pi
[13:47] <popey> isleofmandan: were you born there or did you move there?
[13:47] <isleofmandan> popey: Moved here in 2007
[13:47] <mungbean> everyone must be either rich, an inbred or motorbike fan?
[13:48] <popey> or all three?
[13:48] <mungbean> or migrant
[13:48] <isleofmandan> Install done. I assume it's sudo reboot time now?
[13:49] <popey> DO IT
[13:49]  * isleofmandan hopes shiny new laptop isn't a doorstop...
[13:49] <isleofmandan> back soon
[13:49] <SuperMatt> KABOOM!
[13:49] <mungbean> KERPOW
[13:49] <popey> quick, everyone hide
[13:49] <mungbean> whats that smoke coming from yonder out North west
[13:50] <mungbean> speak ukrainian
[13:50] <popey> or upside down
[13:50] <isleofmandan> This thing is fast :)
[13:50] <mungbean> did you google that XPS issue or already know?
[13:50] <popey> ʞɹoʍ ʇı pıp 'uɐpuɐɯɟoǝlsı ıɥ
[13:50] <popey> i knew
[13:50] <mungbean> maybe askubuntu might like to know
[13:51] <mungbean> if it works
[13:51] <isleofmandan> My old PC reboot takes about 5 minutes..
[13:51] <isleofmandan> Anyway, how do I double check I'm using new kernel.. uname -a ?
[13:51] <popey> ya
[13:51] <mungbean> yep
[13:51] <isleofmandan> 3.5 :)
[13:51]  * isleofmandan goes to press all the buttons...
[13:52] <isleofmandan> Vol, keyboard backlight, screen brightness all good
[13:52] <isleofmandan> *Thanks Alan*  :)
[13:52] <popey> np
[13:53] <isleofmandan> Have spent weeks researching via forums.
[13:53] <mungbean> cant help but think this should be written down somewhere...
[13:53] <isleofmandan> I'll create a Dell account just so I can update the Dell support forum and save others the hassle I've had
[13:53] <mungbean> yeah, i found that page too
[13:54] <isleofmandan> mungbean: Thanks to you too, of course
[13:54] <mungbean> couldn't find any askubuntu questions about it
[13:54] <mungbean> np. still too early to go home though :(
[13:55] <mungbean> gonna have to tell my boss i've finished all the work , please sir can i have some more
[13:59] <dwatkins> can you do some of mine?
[13:59] <mungbean> hmmm
[14:00] <dwatkins> my boss just went home early, so I can't really complain
[14:00] <mungbean> my boss on hols
[14:00] <mungbean> whole company is on hols
[14:00] <mungbean> literally nothing to do
[14:00] <dwatkins> sometimes that makes matters worse
[14:00] <dwatkins> like when you have to escalate stuff
[14:01] <mungbean> its a new team so not much historical issues to resolve
[14:01] <mungbean> usually in summer i used to fixed niggling old problems and replace crappy kit
[14:01] <mungbean> do fw upgrades
[14:15] <dwatkins> I don't tend to get any less busy at times like this, as the number of calls being reduced is balanced out by all the people with kids being on holiday a lot.
[14:16] <dwatkins> calls, e-mails, chats, facebook posts, tweets etc. - we get cases from a variety of sources.
[14:27] <isleofmandan> mungbean: I've posted a 'question' on askubuntu, which also contains the answer. Are there any other popular forums I should visit to save people scratching their heads?
[14:33] <neuro> doo de doo
[14:33] <neuro> gtav preordered \o/
[14:35] <daftykins> \o/
[14:35] <daftykins> i still resent only being able to get it on the current gen
[14:35] <daftykins> but i'm not going to wait until maybe new year for the new consoles to settle down before *Maybe* being able to buy a copy
[14:40] <mungbean> isleofmandan: askubuntu is where i'd hope to find good info, so should be sufficient
[14:47] <mungbean> anyone know about sun grid engine?
[14:48] <AlanBell> https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-0.192862!3d51.492132!2m2!1f291.8!2f71.14!4f75!2m5!1e1!2m3!1sc9UMhWP_MWm9U0L48xEjYw!2e0!7e5&fid=5
[14:48] <AlanBell> and press cursor up
[15:05] <mungbean> yeah AlanBell i saw that next week
[15:07] <mungbean> oh cool, finally google maps has updated its picture of my house
[15:07] <mungbean> now its my new car
[15:08] <mungbean> and there's flowers in the window, proving i'm a great husband to alll the world
[15:09] <daftykins> mungbean: did you come back from the future?
[15:09] <daftykins> you saw it next week :O
[15:10] <mungbean> yes, just my little relevant joke re the link
[15:10] <shauno> I thought next week will be a totally appropriate time to see the tardis :p
[15:10] <daftykins> ugh
[15:11] <mungbean> i can tell what time of day the google maps pic was taken as my neighbour got snapped taking his dog for the regular walk
[15:12] <mungbean> my road is a totally weird mix of aug2012, sep2012, then aug2012 again then sep2008, all in 100 yds
[15:12] <daftykins> :>
[15:12] <daftykins> perhaps the best bits were combined
[15:13] <mungbean> or they went home
[15:13] <mungbean> have you sen the one in itialy when you take one step and its winter
[15:13] <mungbean> snow everywhere
[15:13] <mungbean> o spooky, back to aug2012 again after 1 step
[15:14] <mungbean> i wonder if anyone has caught their SO having an affair with thi
[15:14] <popey> yes, they have
[15:15] <popey> saw it somewhere amongst those lists of things you spot on gmaps
[15:16] <linuxliam> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5993067/ any help?
[15:17] <daftykins> reinstall with purge?
[15:18] <linuxliam> i tried that
[15:18] <daftykins> tried a new user?
[15:18] <popey> which version of skype is it?
[15:19] <linuxliam> 4.2.0.11-0ubuntu0.12.04.2
[15:20] <popey> you're on 12.04?
[15:20] <linuxliam> no
[15:20] <linuxliam> 13.04
[15:20] <popey> ok, np
[15:20] <popey> i have the same version of skype here
[15:20]  * popey opens skype for the first time in aeons
[15:21] <linuxliam> it core dumps about 20mins into a vid call
[15:22] <popey> maybe delete .config/Skype  and start again?
[15:22] <popey> i have seen others report skype crash during a call
[15:24] <SuperMatt> that's one of the things I loved most about linux. You balls up a config and it's *so* easy to get everything back to the start
[15:25] <linuxliam> yup i deleted the skype config dir
[15:26] <daftykins> because it's not in Windows 0o
[15:26] <mungbean> maybe the NSA plugin crashed
[15:27] <linuxliam> bahaha
[15:28] <linuxliam> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23723801 anyone read this
[15:28] <mungbean> http://www.theverge.com/2013/8/15/4621514/gone-home-review
[15:29] <mungbean> i liked these kind of exploring games
[15:29] <mungbean> glad they've been updated so you can pick up and explore nearly everything
[15:29] <mungbean> available for linux
[15:54] <neuro> sod it
[15:54] <neuro> knocking off time
[15:55] <neuro> daftykins: re gtav, i think they just poured so much dev time into it on current gen that doing it for pc+next gen would have either spread their existing resources too thin or they'd have had to get too many extra folk in
[15:56] <neuro> apparently on the 360 it's a 2 disc game, but the first disc is for the mandatory 8GB install; 2nd disc only required for actually playing the game
[15:56] <daftykins> yeah
[15:56] <daftykins> no surprises there
[15:57] <daftykins> even XGD3 didn't really help matters XD
[15:57] <neuro> gaaaah
[15:57] <neuro> why office needs to close chrome to install updates is beyond me
[16:03] <diddledan_> neuro, it wants to force you into using IE
[16:03] <neuro> not entirely possible
[16:04] <Monotoko> IT WORKS
[16:04] <Monotoko> hell yes
[16:04] <Monotoko> \o/
[16:05] <diddledan_> Monotoko, you still messing with postfix? :-p
[16:05] <Monotoko> diddledan_, not anymore! :P
[16:05] <Monotoko> it works now
[16:05] <diddledan_> yey!
[16:05] <diddledan_> well done!
[16:05] <diddledan_> that sql made my brian hurt
[16:05] <Monotoko> mix two of my most hated things into one... SQL and Postfix, and it's gonna take me a while
[16:05] <diddledan_> and I didn't have to fiddle with it
[16:06] <Monotoko> I ended up writing another query
[16:06] <Monotoko> and leaving that one the hell alone
[16:06] <diddledan_> lol
[16:06] <diddledan_> MOAR SQL!
[16:06] <neuro> Monotoko: i bet if someone forcibly switched you to sendmail or qmail, you'd long for the days when you had postfix
[16:10] <mgdm> qmail FTL
[16:10] <mgdm> sendmail FTevenmoreL
[16:11] <neuro> yes
[16:12] <neuro> yay, office 2011 update installed
[16:12] <neuro> what did i win?
[16:12] <neuro> unspecified updates
[16:12] <neuro> woot
[16:13] <neuro> when vendor updates come with release notes that basically say "trust us, go on, it'll be fine", i get concerned
[16:13] <SuperMatt> I'm using dovecot and postfix
[16:13] <SuperMatt> I think I must have done something terrible in a past life
[16:14]  * neuro uses the same setup
[16:14]  * mgdm too
[16:14] <neuro> a setup which, apparently, windows phone doesn't like
[16:14] <SuperMatt> in all honesty, I think there is *a lot* that can be done to make smtp set up easier
[16:14] <neuro> so my dad has to send emails via gmail's smtp rather than mine :P
[16:14] <neuro> SuperMatt: postfix is pretty painless
[16:14] <SuperMatt> there are so many options to it that it feels almost impenetrable to new users
[16:14] <neuro> "users"/
[16:14] <neuro> ?
[16:14] <SuperMatt> wekk
[16:14] <SuperMatt> well
[16:14] <neuro> smtpds aren't for "users"! :)
[16:14] <SuperMatt> people setting it up for the first time
[16:15] <neuro> bloomin' users
[16:15] <neuro> my life would be so much easier without users
[16:16] <SuperMatt> haha, yeah, it would
[16:17] <SuperMatt> I'm glad that my users are mostly the devs that have written the crap that's broken
[16:17] <SuperMatt> so 99% of the time I just turn it back on them
[16:18] <neuro> :)
[16:26] <Monotoko> ... well shit
[16:26] <SuperMatt> no swears in here
[16:26] <Monotoko> sorry, just realised I made a huge mistake
[16:28] <SuperMatt> it happens to the best of us
[16:28] <SuperMatt> and the worst
[16:28] <SuperMatt> it just seems to happen
[16:32] <Monotoko> I just bombarded a group with every email sent through a highly sensitive system
[16:32] <Monotoko> because I forgot to remove a static string and add a %u match
[16:32] <Monotoko> >.>
[16:33] <Monotoko> email is not my strong point
[16:33] <zleap> oosp
[16:41] <diddledan_> Monotoko, break it then go home and ignore it for the weekend
[16:41] <Monotoko> diddledan_, not a good idea with my boss standing behind me
[16:41] <Monotoko> I've fixed the issue now and added the dynamic bit back...
[16:42] <diddledan_> what ever happened to the "boss key"?!
[16:46] <diddledan_> time to go
[16:49] <Monotoko> "boss key"?
[16:51] <popey> i love the spam I get from my local curry house
[16:51] <popey> its really personal
[16:52] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5993420/
[16:54] <linuxliam> thats kinda cool
[16:56] <popey> yeah, he's a nice guy too
[16:56] <popey> he comes over to your table and does little bits of origami
[16:57] <linuxliam> hehe
[17:18] <daftykins> popey: seems he's smarter than the average bear
[17:21] <davmor2> daftykins: why are you calling him popey  quite obviously he's bobo if Yogi is talking to him :D
[17:22] <daftykins> davmor2: you raise a fair point, sir
[17:23] <davmor2> daftykins: just don't mention picnic hampers
[17:23] <daftykins> p..p..p..picnic baskets! 8D
[17:24] <popey> yeah, the word picnic in our house is _always_ suffixed with "bobo"
[17:24] <daftykins> XD
[17:25] <davmor2> daftykins: see told you he was bobo :D
[17:26] <daftykins> you did, you did
[17:26] <daftykins> i guess that makes us rangers
[17:27] <davmor2> daftykins: I think czajkowski is the pink one, I'm not fussed over colours once the pink one is gone...........go go power rangers
[17:27] <daftykins> i never saw that growing up
[17:27] <daftykins> i think you had to have satellite TV
[17:28] <davmor2> daftykins: there's your problem you grew up, grow back down again and you too can ignore the horror that is power rangers :D
[17:29] <davmor2> daftykins: I'm pretty sure it's meant to be Thundercats but with real people and cornier :)
[17:30] <davmor2> daftykins: that or battle of the planets without the space ship
[17:33] <daftykins> just pushed the boat well and truly out, by buying a £3.45 DC power jack replacement for a laptop
[17:33] <daftykins> oooh, i take such risks
[18:08] <brobostigon> evening everyone,
[18:08] <popey> pip pip brobostigon, exobuzz
[18:09] <exobuzz> hi
[18:09] <brobostigon> evening popey and exobuzz