[05:54] <inetpro> magespawn: pong
[05:54] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:04] <Kilos> hi charl psychicist Squirm  et al
[06:15] <Squirm> morning
[06:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:22] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:34] <superfly> morning ThatGraemeGuy
[06:34]  * ThatGraemeGuy nods
[06:43] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[06:46] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:50] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[06:51] <Cantide> hello Kilos '-'/
[07:23] <nuvolari> o/ hello's
[07:23] <nuvolari> any BB-gurus around?
[07:23] <nuvolari> Packaging especially
[07:35] <Kilos> yo nuvolari 
[07:45] <magespawn> good morning
[07:46] <Kilos> morning magespawn 
[07:47] <magespawn> inetpro i just wanted to let an 'official type' person there is a new server book available for the loco
[07:47] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[07:49] <Kilos> isnt maia the go to person still magespawn ?
[07:49] <magespawn> Just about to go another drive
[07:50] <Kilos> lekker
[07:50] <magespawn> I did leave her a message with Maaz
[07:50] <Kilos> zerlgi, wb
[07:50] <Kilos> aha
[07:50] <zerlgi> Hi Kilos
[07:50] <zerlgi> tx
[07:51] <Kilos> sometimes only way to get to her is by email
[07:51] <Kilos> lemme know when you back magespawn 
[07:51] <Kilos> wanna know if you installed extras with idle
[07:51] <magespawn> will do, later
[07:52] <magespawn> No not yet
[07:52] <Kilos> enjoy
[07:52] <Kilos> oh so its basic install that just works?
[07:52] <Kilos> whew
[07:53] <magespawn> Anyway, will chat when i get back.
[07:53] <Kilos> have a good time
[07:55] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[07:55] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:02] <charl> hi psyatw, Kilos, magespawn 
[09:02] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[09:02]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[09:02] <psyatw> hi charl
[09:02] <psyatw> hi magespawn
[09:02] <psyatw> hi zerlgi
[09:06] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[09:07] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[09:07] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[09:07] <Kilos> hi charl 
[09:07] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[09:07] <Maaz> Kilos: There isn't a pot on
[09:07] <Kilos> aw
[09:08] <Kilos> magespawn, has gone on a game drive
[09:09] <Kilos> hopefully buck and timid things
[10:51] <nuvolari> hi oom kilos, gaan dit goed?
[10:52] <Kilos> ja dankie nuvolari en jy?
[10:52] <Kilos> ons gaan slang leer. jy moet begin tyd maak
[11:15] <nuvolari> lol, slang leer?
[11:16] <Kilos> haha ja ons gaan byteofpython in n klas doen
[11:16] <Kilos> of in my kanaal of daai #linux-studies
[11:18] <Kilos> maar soos gewoonlik sukkel ek met iets voor ons even begin
[11:23] <Kilos> wbb
[12:20] <Vince-0> hi!
[12:20] <Vince-0> superfly, you here?
[12:20] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[12:23] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos 
[12:23] <zerlgi> afternoon folks. am signing off now. Hope to lurk again soon.
[12:39] <Kilos> hehe
[12:40] <Cantide> zergling rushhhhhhh
[12:40] <Cantide> his nick reminds me of zergling .-.
[12:41] <Kilos> hehe
[12:57] <magespawn> afternoon all
[12:57] <Trixar_za> Afternoon magespawn
[13:01] <magespawn> i see there is a new ubuntu server book out
[13:02] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[13:02] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[13:04] <superfly> hi Vince-0
[13:04] <magespawn> did you get your idle sorted
[13:04] <magespawn> ?
[13:05] <Kilos> just helping ian quick magespawn 
[13:06] <magespawn> no worries
[13:06] <Vince-0> hey!
[13:08] <Vince-0> superfly, I'm looking for someone to make a tiny device (large scale) that fetches an audio file and plays it over 3.5mm audio jack - know anyone?
[13:11] <superfly> Vince-0: not really... are you thinking of a Raspberry Pi sort of device?
[13:12] <Vince-0> kinda, current software (closed) doesn't run on arm - only thing that even comes close are the Android MK806 devices
[13:13] <Vince-0> Rasp isn't really for production environment
[13:13] <superfly> Well, I was just trying to get a clearer idea of what you meant by "device"
[13:14] <Vince-0> well its pretty open ended 'cos eventually they'd change the software
[13:15] <Vince-0> so I was looking at openbroadcaster.com AGPL license
[13:16] <Vince-0> and the scenario is mostly for a CMS for media that the remote device downloads and plays. Seems there are only _very_ expensive proprietary solutions
[13:17] <Vince-0> anyways, not many "embeded device" types in ZA
[13:17] <superfly> in all honesty, I'd just look at one of the many linux-based devices that are around
[13:18] <superfly> then write the software part in something like Python
[13:19] <Vince-0> yep, x86 linux devices aren't as cheap as the Pi. Will see what these openbroadcaster guys can do
[13:19] <Vince-0> best case would be an android client customized to run on boot
[13:20] <superfly> there are quite a few of those sorts of boards
[13:23] <magespawn> Vince-0: what sort of application would that be used for?
[13:25] <Vince-0> this company here is managing in store broadcasting for thousands of stores
[13:25] <magespawn> in store radio?
[13:25] <Vince-0> ya but with local storage, no stream
[13:25] <magespawn> ahh right
[13:25] <Vince-0> and customized per store/region/client etc
[13:26] <magespawn> thats why no stream
[13:26] <Vince-0> and most of the stores are in the bush
[13:26] <Vince-0> current software is discontinued
[13:27] <magespawn> does music stream use a lot of data?
[13:28] <Vince-0> no stream, files are usually a couple of megs worth of mp3 type format
[13:31] <magespawn> so somebody would need to change them out, stored on sd cards or such?
[13:33] <Vince-0> sdcard/internal but the current apps use DSL to fetch media from FTP each night over DSL
[13:35] <Vince-0> they got me involved to try run their windows client on a Pi - can't emulate x86 (wine) on ARM...
[13:35] <Vince-0> so now its a whole long story
[13:36] <magespawn> ouch
[13:37] <Vince-0> found some sneaky Russians who got Win3.1 on a Pi once...
[13:37] <magespawn> sounds like it would be a lot easier to find the hardware and then write the software
[13:38] <magespawn> i found a site that had managed to get windows 95 or 98 onto the n900
[13:38] <Vince-0> yoh, but not exactly production capable. I had an N900 - sweet device
[13:39] <magespawn> if i had the spare cash i would buy 4 more to play around with
[13:40] <Vince-0> haven't seen a phone with an FM transmitter elsewhere
[13:41] <magespawn> did you try the ir port as a tv remote?
[13:42] <Vince-0> nope, IR! that's something you don't see on mobiles
[13:42] <Vince-0> I did try some data transfer on it with a USB adapter on my PC
[13:42] <magespawn> there was a piece of software that had all the key mappings for various remotes and the tv that they could work with
[13:43] <Vince-0> I remember
[13:52] <magespawn> i keep thinking they would make a great in car tracking monitering onboard pc
[13:53] <magespawn> there was some guy who had developed a brain scanner that worked off the n900
[13:58] <Vince-0> on only 600mhz
[13:59] <magespawn> i would love them to build something similar using the latest hardware
[14:03] <magespawn> maybe something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUa5Iy9uj6g
[14:11] <Vince-0> sms to toast teknologie lol
[14:44] <charl> what and it can charge your car?
[14:44] <charl> and it has an built-in induction cooking?
[14:44] <charl> ich mag
[14:45] <Vince-0> *concept
[14:45] <charl> what a 48 megapixel camera
[14:46] <charl> this is a brilliant parody
[14:47] <charl> and a nuclear power generator !
[14:47] <charl> what the 
[14:53] <magespawn> now there is a phone worth $32 million
[14:57] <Vince-0> yaa
[14:58] <magespawn> later all
[14:58] <Vince-0> cya
[14:58] <Kilos> go safe magespawn 
[15:38] <Kilos> whats the aptitude command to see dependancies please
[15:48] <Kilos> apt-cache showpkg
[15:48] <Kilos> that seems to work
[16:08] <Kilos> wbb
[17:32] <Kilos> oh my friday again
[17:50] <Kilos> charl: you on kubuntu?
[17:50] <Kilos> im lost
[18:31] <magespawn> hey Kilos 
[18:31] <Maaz> magespawn: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell magespawn on freenode. sorry battling to get ian to connect from live cd with 3g but struggling" 2 hours, 13 minutes and 33 seconds ago
[18:31] <charl> Kilos: yes
[18:32] <Kilos> my archives dont save
[18:32] <charl> archives?
[18:32] <Kilos> as in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[18:32] <charl> oh apt archives, they don't save? weird
[18:33] <Kilos> i cant find where to save downloaded packages
[18:33] <charl> can't say i've heard of that before
[18:33] <Kilos> you uncapped peeps dont worry about that
[18:33] <Kilos> grr
[18:33] <charl> hmmm, yeah i would be the wrong person to ask about something like that it seems
[18:34] <charl> i just download the latest whenever i need to install something
[18:34] <charl> apt-get takes care of it
[18:34] <Kilos> not lekker when you pay for every update/upgrade
[18:34] <charl> that sucks
[18:35] <Kilos> i dunno what ive done wrong. the kde i had on another drive didnt have the prob
[18:36] <charl> sorry but i'm not really familiar with the process of doing this
[18:36] <Kilos> np
[18:36] <Kilos> the pro or fly will know
[18:36] <Kilos> the pro will first say ai!
[18:36] <charl> cool
[18:36] <charl> lol
[18:36] <Kilos> ty
[18:36] <charl> np
[18:37] <charl> hi psychicist 
[18:37] <charl> how's it going in poland
[18:37] <Kilos> hi psi
[18:38] <psychicist> hi charl 
[18:38] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[18:38] <psychicist> all is going well here, charl
[18:38]  * Kilos wonders if nano would work with python programming
[18:38] <psychicist> I'm just working the boring job and doing my own stuff besides
[18:39] <psychicist> but I've decided to improve my knowledge of Java (J2EE) and to learn Oracle
[18:39] <psychicist> so all will be well in a few months and I hope to find another job then
[18:40] <charl> oracle database?
[18:40] <Kilos> keep learning
[18:40] <psychicist> yes
[18:40] <Kilos> knowledge is power
[18:40] <charl> isn't there more of a demand for mysql/postgres?
[18:41] <charl> i work with oracle database but i wish i could dump it and mysql in favour of postgres
[18:41] <psychicist> not in big enterprises I guess
[18:41] <psychicist> I know mysql
[18:41] <psychicist> it's not that I learn one in favour of another
[18:41] <charl> oh then oracle would be easy, you just have to get used to the fact that everything is much more difficult
[18:41] <psychicist> why not learn them all? :)
[18:41] <charl> yeah exactly my mentality too
[18:42] <Kilos> hey charl are you gonna join the python classes
[18:42] <charl> whatever you can do in mysql you can do in oracle by writing 3x as much sql
[18:42] <charl> Kilos: i already know python but it sounds interesting, which are these?
[18:42] <psychicist> yeah, I figured
[18:42] <charl> i might know some other people who should attend
[18:43] <charl> i don't really know oracle database well myself, i never bothered studying it properly
[18:43] <Kilos> we gonna have them in #linux-studies as soon as the other guys can get to spend an hour a week or so
[18:43] <charl> i just use it and whenver i get stuck i google
[18:43] <charl> usually you end up finding the answer on stack overflow or a similar site
[18:44] <Kilos> we going to use byteofpython
[18:45] <psychicist> my uncle is an oracle certified professional
[18:45] <Kilos> im sure superfly will nurse maid us
[18:45] <charl> Kilos: cool i will tell some people
[18:45] <charl> psychicist: i heard certified dba's can make a good living
[18:45] <magespawn> Kilos: did you get the files i shared?
[18:46] <psychicist> charl, yeah, that's one of the reasons for me to learn it
[18:46] <charl> Kilos: nurses and maids?! :)
[18:46] <charl> Kilos: you will attract the wrong type of people with that :P
[18:46] <psychicist> :D
[18:46] <Kilos> those i couldnt see names magespawn ?
[18:46] <psychicist> no, the right ones :D
[18:46] <magespawn> yes
[18:46] <charl> :D
[18:46] <Kilos> i didnt download  them no. what are they
[18:47] <Kilos> im on kde now will get them tomorrow
[18:47] <magespawn> simple python programs
[18:47] <Kilos> that do what?
[18:48] <Kilos> oh something i wanted to ask , must one start idle with sudo?
[18:48] <magespawn> showing various programming ideas
[18:48] <Kilos> i tried it again but first deleted hello world everywhere now i cant even get it working with gedit
[18:49] <magespawn> not aas far as i know
[18:49] <Kilos> must i tick each one to download or will the whole batch come
[18:49] <Kilos> had a massive job this avy trying to get nm and then sakis going by ian
[18:50] <magespawn> i think you can do a ba5ch download
[18:50] <magespawn> i see i got your message
[18:50] <Kilos> spent hours mailing him packages that he got on fone then put on stick then installed
[18:50] <Kilos> but no go
[18:51] <Kilos> he took modem and kubuntu cd to another pc and sakis worked first time
[18:51] <Kilos> some thing blocked usb access
[18:51] <magespawn> might be the pc then
[18:51] <Kilos> methinks
[18:52] <Kilos> ya but its a pc he has to fix
[18:52] <Kilos> whew
[18:52] <magespawn> do people really need dba that much?
[18:52] <Kilos> before i said go to another pc and try i first said the modem is dead
[18:52] <Kilos> hehe\
[18:58] <Kilos> night all . sleep tight
[19:04] <magespawn> charl what sort of salary are they paying?
[19:38] <magespawn> later all
[19:39] <Cantide> good night magespawn >.</