| smartboyhw | Good afternoon zequence | 05:46 |
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| smartboyhw | And xequence | 05:46 |
| smartboyhw | How are you at debconf? | 05:46 |
| smartboyhw | Damn, I missed the appearence of ScottL:( | 05:48 |
| * smartboyhw mutters... | 05:50 | |
| xequence | Just attended the Debian Multimedia meeting (BoF) | 09:26 |
| cub | xequence, cool! any news to share right of the bat? | 09:28 |
| xequence | cub: Not much. I got a grasp of how Blends work in Debian | 09:28 |
| xequence | currently, the Debian Multimedi blend is not so much of a Blend team, more of a packaging team | 09:29 |
| xequence | my two goals will be to create a live image of the blend, and also set up a website for it | 09:29 |
| xequence | They have a bunch of tasks/meta packages for installing stuff | 09:29 |
| xequence | but thay aren't a part of our repos | 09:29 |
| xequence | One idea I have is that we would move some source to Debian, and work from there | 09:30 |
| xequence | But, that's just an idea so far | 09:30 |
| cub | Sounds interesting. | 09:37 |
| cub | Right, should I open a bug report because the xfce keyboard shortcut ctrl+alt+t doesn't open the terminal in US? | 09:48 |
| cub | saucy that is. Well it doesn't work in 13.04 either but ... | 09:51 |
| xequence | cub: Same on Xubuntu? | 09:55 |
| xequence | you could ask them about it, maybe there's a reason for it | 09:55 |
| cub | No it works in xubuntu | 09:55 |
| cub | which makes no sense. Since then it should work in US too, right? | 09:56 |
| cub | I know xfce change a lot before because of the printscreen, but it shouldn't affect this shortcut | 09:57 |
| cub | will investigate further with my xubuntu vbox | 09:57 |
| cub | right now I'm trying out Jono's instruction to run xmir on US 13.10 | 09:57 |
| knome | xequence, cub: we've (re)added the shortcut ctrl+alt+T in 13.10 | 10:04 |
| cub | aha, knome why was it changed before? | 10:05 |
| knome | cub, changed from what? | 10:05 |
| cub | why was it removed? | 10:05 |
| knome | i don't know if we ever had it before | 10:05 |
| * cub wonders why xmir work fine with xubuntu but fails on ubuntu studio | 10:06 | |
| knome | we revamped the shortcuts before, and it might or might not have been removed then | 10:06 |
| cub | knome, I think I used it with xubuntu before but then again, I could remember wrong and added it myself. | 10:06 |
| smartboyhw | xequence, hey, how's Debconf? And I missed ScottL yesterday right? :( | 11:32 |
| cub | Note: xmir only failed on US 13.10 login screen. After login it seems to work just fine. Didn't watch any movies or so, but surfing and reading PDFs no problem. | 12:04 |
| smartboyhw | cub, login screen? mmm | 12:04 |
| cub | it's that not what is called? | 12:05 |
| smartboyhw | cub, I mean, mmm that it failed there:P | 12:05 |
| cub | strange though since it worked with he xubuntu saucy | 12:05 |
| smartboyhw | cub, :O | 12:05 |
| cub | but that was yesteday. A lot of things can have happened since then! | 12:06 |
| smartboyhw | lol | 12:06 |
| xequence | smartboyhw: Yes, Scott dropped by yesterday | 12:20 |
| xequence | I was on the Debian Multimeda meeting, regarding creating a blend today | 12:20 |
| xequence | I got some insight into the problems therein | 12:20 |
| xequence | so, I'll be starting to work on that later on | 12:20 |
| cub | what kind of problems? | 12:21 |
| xequence | not sure when, maybe not fully until next year when we release 14.04 | 12:21 |
| xequence | someone needs to figure out how to put up a website for it, and where | 12:21 |
| xequence | someone needs to figure out how to build the image, and how to publish it | 12:21 |
| xequence | things like that | 12:21 |
| smartboyhw | xequence, you should set up a wiki first：P | 12:22 |
| cub | the first part seems simple enough. The second one, i suppose you got that covered? :D | 12:22 |
| xequence | The best thing is to use debians own resources to as great degree as possible, and there's a lot of documentation out there | 12:22 |
| xequence | also, just need to talk with the right people to get help | 12:22 |
| cub | pah, website first. Get the word around, then people will look in/after wiki. | 12:22 |
| cub | xequence, how many people are in the team? | 12:23 |
| xequence | cub: quite many, but most of the work is done by a handful of people | 12:23 |
| smartboyhw | xequence, including you I suppose? | 12:24 |
| xequence | My idea is also to try integrate the work that we do with this blend as much as possible | 12:24 |
| xequence | so, we could all join that team really | 12:24 |
| xequence | I haven't really gotten started yet. | 12:24 |
| xequence | I might not be the one maintaining most packages, but that's alright. Others can do that. I can work on the abstraction part - the user side of things | 12:25 |
| cub | I would have guessed they were a lot more and hardcore coders all of them. Not like, well like me. | 12:25 |
| smartboyhw | xequence, great:) | 12:25 |
| xequence | cub: It's basically a packaging team right now. People who know how to build software and how to follow Debian policies | 12:25 |
| * smartboyhw should start become active in it someday, damnit | 12:27 | |
| cub | I suppose. I have just always been a bit intimidated by Debian. Something those "real hackers" use. :P | 12:28 |
| * smartboyhw likes Ubuntu sorry:P | 12:29 | |
| cub | I like the idea of being closer to the source. | 12:29 |
| * smartboyhw is horrified at #kubuntu for the number of users having problems.. | 12:30 | |
| OvenWerks | smartboyhw: I have been using kubuntu pretty solid with very few problems. No show stoppers. | 14:48 |
| OvenWerks | xequence: I think you are on the right path. | 14:49 |
| OvenWerks | cub: we are based on xfce really. We have not rebased on xubuntu's -settings package since 11.10 | 14:51 |
| cub | OvenWerks, aha? I heard it pulled from Xubuntu | 14:52 |
| OvenWerks | cub: feel free to make changes there | 14:52 |
| OvenWerks | no | 14:52 |
| OvenWerks | we started from there, but have not kept it synced. | 14:53 |
| OvenWerks | when there are only two or three people doing things it is hard. | 14:53 |
| OvenWerks | it has been great having more help. | 14:53 |
| cub | I hope to when I get more familiar with everything | 14:55 |
| OvenWerks | cub: I will be doing a number of changes to the settings package anyway. I would be happy to include any merges you have. Or if you know where the setting goes in your home folder I can probably translate to system default. | 14:55 |
| OvenWerks | xequence: I would like to have a postinst command to remove /usr/share/xsessions/xfce.desktop | 14:58 |
| cub | OvenWerks, gotta go but will read up later on. | 14:58 |
| OvenWerks | This would be for our ISO only | 14:58 |
| OvenWerks | cub: great! | 14:58 |
| OvenWerks | xequence: maybe it could be in our preseed. | 14:59 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, heh, that excludes when you install our backports PPA to upgrade to a newer KDE SC version | 15:00 |
| OvenWerks | smartboyhw: I have only used 13.10. It started as a fresh install, but I think by now everything has been upgraded. | 15:02 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, 13.10 is smoother:P | 15:02 |
| xequence | OvenWerks: Yes, we should remove it. Not sure where it should be done | 15:17 |
| OvenWerks | xequence: My thought is that it should be a settings postinst, but should be triggered by a preseed. | 16:37 |
| OvenWerks | That way if the settings is installed on it's own it doesn't disturb what the user has. | 16:38 |
| holstein | wilee-nilee is the guy i have been trying to get to help us in the main channel | 17:50 |
| holstein | xequence and OvenWerks .. or whomever | 17:51 |
| OvenWerks | holstein: people have to help of their own free will. More would be nice though :) | 18:41 |
| OvenWerks | I think making the live ISOs startup depend heavily on graphics HW is a mistake. It looks nice sure, but for some people broken is just broken. | 18:44 |
| OvenWerks | Mostly a little patience is all thats needed, On many of my bootups the monitor goes blank and tells me no signal, but If I just wait for lightdm (and X) to load, it comes back and I can log in. | 18:45 |
| TheDrums | xequence: Oh, have you actually tried the liquorix kernel and compared it to -lowlat? | 19:35 |
| xequence | TheDrums: No | 19:49 |
| xequence | I'm quite aware that realtime kernels outperform linux-lowlatency, if that is what you mean | 19:49 |
| cub | xequence, very weird behaviour from my 12.04 installation. I forgot to switch on the wifi and ran apt-get update, and it started asking for Saucy 13.10 cd....any idea how that might have occured? I have not installed 13.10 on this laptop but have downloaded the iso before. Shouldn't mess with my repos though..? | 19:51 |
| xequence | cub: check the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list | 20:01 |
| holstein | OvenWerks: i asked hiim to just be there and redirect or whatever.. if the channel is dead | 20:03 |
| cub | xequence, yup, there is deb: cdrom pointing to 13.10. :D | 20:04 |
| xequence | cub: that's weird. Just comment it out, and do sudo apt-get update | 20:04 |
| cub | hmm I wonder...I remember running apt-get dist-upgrade because the low-latency was held back all the time....but I thought that was on my other laptop. Perhaps I'm just confused | 20:06 |
| xequence | dist-upgrade just does a normal update | 20:06 |
| xequence | I'm more inclined to think you put in a saucy CD and did something | 20:07 |
| cub | Not that I know of. I have to install on Virtualbox only. | 20:08 |
| xequence | cub: doing 'sudo apt-get upgrade' will sometimes not update all your packages. If an update wants to change something on your system, like remove some files, that package will be held back | 20:09 |
| xequence | it's like a safe update | 20:10 |
| xequence | to do a "normal" update, you do: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | 20:10 |
| xequence | that's the same as using the update manager gui | 20:10 |
| cub | Aha that explains why I often had to run the update manager to get newer kernels | 20:11 |
| OvenWerks | holstein: sounds good. | 21:09 |
| OvenWerks | micahg: don't know if you are still here this afternoon. If you don't see it till later thats ok too. Does lintian complain about: desktop-command-not-in-package if the package in depends is not releassed yet? | 21:59 |
| OvenWerks | Anyway, it is only "Certainty: possible" and I know it's ok. | 22:05 |
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