[05:46] <smartboyhw> Good afternoon zequence 
[05:46] <smartboyhw> And xequence 
[05:46] <smartboyhw> How are you at debconf?
[05:48] <smartboyhw> Damn, I missed the appearence of ScottL:(
[05:50]  * smartboyhw mutters...
[09:26] <xequence> Just attended the Debian Multimedia meeting (BoF)
[09:28] <cub> xequence, cool! any news to share right of the bat?
[09:28] <xequence> cub: Not much. I got a grasp of how Blends work in Debian
[09:29] <xequence> currently, the Debian Multimedi blend is not so much of a Blend team, more of a packaging team
[09:29] <xequence> my two goals will be to create a live image of the blend, and also set up a website for it
[09:29] <xequence> They have a bunch of tasks/meta packages for installing stuff
[09:29] <xequence> but thay aren't a part of our repos
[09:30] <xequence> One idea I have is that we would move some source to Debian, and work from there
[09:30] <xequence> But, that's just an idea so far
[09:37] <cub> Sounds interesting.
[09:48] <cub> Right, should I open a bug report because the xfce keyboard shortcut ctrl+alt+t doesn't open the terminal in US?
[09:51] <cub> saucy that is. Well it doesn't work in 13.04 either but ...
[09:55] <xequence> cub: Same on Xubuntu?
[09:55] <xequence> you could ask them about it, maybe there's a reason for it
[09:55] <cub> No it works in xubuntu
[09:56] <cub> which makes no sense. Since then it should work in US too, right?
[09:57] <cub> I know xfce change a lot before because of the printscreen, but it shouldn't affect this shortcut
[09:57] <cub> will investigate further with my xubuntu vbox
[09:57] <cub> right now I'm trying out Jono's instruction to run xmir on US 13.10
[10:04] <knome> xequence, cub: we've (re)added the shortcut ctrl+alt+T in 13.10
[10:05] <cub> aha, knome why was it changed before?
[10:05] <knome> cub, changed from what?
[10:05] <cub> why was it removed?
[10:05] <knome> i don't know if we ever had it before
[10:06]  * cub wonders why xmir work fine with xubuntu but fails on ubuntu studio
[10:06] <knome> we revamped the shortcuts before, and it might or might not have been removed then
[10:06] <cub> knome, I think I used it with xubuntu before but then again, I could remember wrong and added it myself.
[11:32] <smartboyhw> xequence, hey, how's Debconf? And I missed ScottL yesterday right? :(
[12:04] <cub> Note: xmir only failed on US 13.10 login screen. After login it seems to work just fine. Didn't watch any movies or so, but surfing and reading PDFs no problem.
[12:04] <smartboyhw> cub, login screen? mmm
[12:05] <cub> it's that not what is called?
[12:05] <smartboyhw> cub, I mean, mmm that it failed there:P
[12:05] <cub> strange though since it worked with he xubuntu saucy
[12:05] <smartboyhw> cub, :O
[12:06] <cub> but that was yesteday. A lot of things can have happened since then!
[12:06] <smartboyhw> lol
[12:20] <xequence> smartboyhw: Yes, Scott dropped by yesterday
[12:20] <xequence> I was on the Debian Multimeda meeting, regarding creating a blend today
[12:20] <xequence> I got some insight into the problems therein
[12:20] <xequence> so, I'll be starting to work on that later on
[12:21] <cub> what kind of problems?
[12:21] <xequence> not sure when, maybe not fully until next year when we release 14.04
[12:21] <xequence> someone needs to figure out how to put up a website for it, and where
[12:21] <xequence> someone needs to figure out how to build the image, and how to publish it
[12:21] <xequence> things like that
[12:22] <smartboyhw> xequence, you should set up a wiki first：P
[12:22] <cub> the first part seems simple enough. The second one, i suppose you got that covered? :D
[12:22] <xequence> The best thing is to use debians own resources to as great degree as possible, and there's a lot of documentation out there
[12:22] <xequence> also, just need to talk with the right people to get help
[12:22] <cub> pah, website first. Get the word around, then people will look in/after wiki.
[12:23] <cub> xequence, how many people are in the team?
[12:23] <xequence> cub: quite many, but most of the work is done by a handful of people
[12:24] <smartboyhw> xequence, including you I suppose?
[12:24] <xequence> My idea is also to try integrate the work that we do with this blend as much as possible
[12:24] <xequence> so, we could all join that team really
[12:24] <xequence> I haven't really gotten started yet. 
[12:25] <xequence> I might not be the one maintaining most packages, but that's alright. Others can do that. I can work on the abstraction part - the user side of things
[12:25] <cub> I would have guessed they were a lot more and hardcore coders all of them. Not like, well like me. 
[12:25] <smartboyhw> xequence, great:)
[12:25] <xequence> cub: It's basically a packaging team right now. People who know how to build software and how to follow Debian policies
[12:27]  * smartboyhw should start become active in it someday, damnit
[12:28] <cub> I suppose. I have just always been a bit intimidated by Debian. Something those "real hackers" use. :P
[12:29]  * smartboyhw likes Ubuntu sorry:P
[12:29] <cub> I like the idea of being closer to the source.
[12:30]  * smartboyhw is horrified at #kubuntu for the number of users having problems..
[14:48] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: I have been using kubuntu pretty solid with very few problems. No show stoppers.
[14:49] <OvenWerks> xequence: I think you are on the right path.
[14:51] <OvenWerks> cub: we are based on xfce really. We have not rebased on xubuntu's -settings package since 11.10
[14:52] <cub> OvenWerks, aha? I heard it pulled from Xubuntu
[14:52] <OvenWerks> cub: feel free to make changes there
[14:52] <OvenWerks> no
[14:53] <OvenWerks> we started from there, but have not kept it synced.
[14:53] <OvenWerks> when there are only two or three people doing things it is hard.
[14:53] <OvenWerks> it has been great having more help.
[14:55] <cub> I hope to when I get more familiar with everything
[14:55] <OvenWerks> cub: I will be doing a number of changes to the settings package anyway. I would be happy to include any merges you have. Or if you know where the setting goes in your home folder I can probably translate to system default.
[14:58] <OvenWerks> xequence: I would like to have a postinst command to remove /usr/share/xsessions/xfce.desktop
[14:58] <cub> OvenWerks, gotta go but will read up later on. 
[14:58] <OvenWerks> This would be for our ISO only
[14:58] <OvenWerks> cub: great!
[14:59] <OvenWerks> xequence: maybe it could be in our preseed.
[15:00] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, heh, that excludes when you install our backports PPA to upgrade to a newer KDE SC version
[15:02] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: I have only used 13.10. It started as a fresh install, but I think by now everything has been upgraded.
[15:02] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, 13.10 is smoother:P
[15:17] <xequence> OvenWerks: Yes, we should remove it. Not sure where it should be done
[16:37] <OvenWerks> xequence: My thought is that it should be a settings postinst, but should be triggered by a preseed.
[16:38] <OvenWerks> That way if the settings is installed on it's own it doesn't disturb what the user has.
[17:50] <holstein> wilee-nilee is the guy i have been trying to get to help us in the main channel
[17:51] <holstein> xequence and OvenWerks .. or whomever
[18:41] <OvenWerks> holstein: people have to help of their own free will. More would be nice though :)
[18:44] <OvenWerks> I think making the live ISOs startup depend heavily on graphics HW is a mistake. It looks nice sure, but for some people broken is just broken.
[18:45] <OvenWerks> Mostly a little patience is all thats needed, On many of my bootups the monitor goes blank and tells me no signal, but If I just wait for lightdm (and X) to load, it comes back and I can log in.
[19:35] <TheDrums> xequence: Oh, have you actually tried the liquorix kernel and compared it to -lowlat?
[19:49] <xequence> TheDrums: No
[19:49] <xequence> I'm quite aware that realtime kernels outperform linux-lowlatency, if that is what you mean
[19:51] <cub> xequence, very weird behaviour from my 12.04 installation. I forgot to switch on the wifi and ran apt-get update, and it started asking for Saucy 13.10 cd....any idea how that might have occured? I have not installed 13.10 on this laptop but have downloaded the iso before. Shouldn't mess with my repos though..?
[20:01] <xequence> cub: check the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:03] <holstein> OvenWerks: i asked hiim to just be there and redirect or whatever.. if the channel is dead
[20:04] <cub> xequence, yup, there is deb: cdrom pointing to 13.10. :D
[20:04] <xequence> cub: that's weird. Just comment it out, and do sudo apt-get update
[20:06] <cub> hmm I wonder...I remember running apt-get dist-upgrade because the low-latency was held back all the time....but I thought that was on my other laptop. Perhaps I'm just confused
[20:06] <xequence> dist-upgrade just does a normal update
[20:07] <xequence> I'm more inclined to think you put in a saucy CD and did something
[20:08] <cub> Not that I know of. I have to install on Virtualbox only.
[20:09] <xequence> cub: doing 'sudo apt-get upgrade' will sometimes not update all your packages. If an update wants to change something on your system, like remove some files, that package will be held back
[20:10] <xequence> it's like a safe update
[20:10] <xequence> to do a "normal" update, you do: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:10] <xequence> that's the same as using the update manager gui
[20:11] <cub> Aha that explains why I often had to run the update manager to get newer kernels
[21:09] <OvenWerks> holstein: sounds good.
[21:59] <OvenWerks> micahg: don't know if you are still here this afternoon. If you don't see it till later thats ok too. Does lintian complain about: desktop-command-not-in-package if the package in depends is not releassed yet?
[22:05] <OvenWerks> Anyway, it is only "Certainty: possible" and I know it's ok.