[05:46] Good afternoon zequence [05:46] And xequence [05:46] How are you at debconf? [05:48] Damn, I missed the appearence of ScottL:( [05:50] * smartboyhw mutters... [09:26] Just attended the Debian Multimedia meeting (BoF) [09:28] xequence, cool! any news to share right of the bat? [09:28] cub: Not much. I got a grasp of how Blends work in Debian [09:29] currently, the Debian Multimedi blend is not so much of a Blend team, more of a packaging team [09:29] my two goals will be to create a live image of the blend, and also set up a website for it [09:29] They have a bunch of tasks/meta packages for installing stuff [09:29] but thay aren't a part of our repos [09:30] One idea I have is that we would move some source to Debian, and work from there [09:30] But, that's just an idea so far [09:37] Sounds interesting. [09:48] Right, should I open a bug report because the xfce keyboard shortcut ctrl+alt+t doesn't open the terminal in US? [09:51] saucy that is. Well it doesn't work in 13.04 either but ... [09:55] cub: Same on Xubuntu? [09:55] you could ask them about it, maybe there's a reason for it [09:55] No it works in xubuntu [09:56] which makes no sense. Since then it should work in US too, right? [09:57] I know xfce change a lot before because of the printscreen, but it shouldn't affect this shortcut [09:57] will investigate further with my xubuntu vbox [09:57] right now I'm trying out Jono's instruction to run xmir on US 13.10 [10:04] xequence, cub: we've (re)added the shortcut ctrl+alt+T in 13.10 [10:05] aha, knome why was it changed before? [10:05] cub, changed from what? [10:05] why was it removed? [10:05] i don't know if we ever had it before [10:06] * cub wonders why xmir work fine with xubuntu but fails on ubuntu studio [10:06] we revamped the shortcuts before, and it might or might not have been removed then [10:06] knome, I think I used it with xubuntu before but then again, I could remember wrong and added it myself. [11:32] xequence, hey, how's Debconf? And I missed ScottL yesterday right? :( [12:04] Note: xmir only failed on US 13.10 login screen. After login it seems to work just fine. Didn't watch any movies or so, but surfing and reading PDFs no problem. [12:04] cub, login screen? mmm [12:05] it's that not what is called? [12:05] cub, I mean, mmm that it failed there:P [12:05] strange though since it worked with he xubuntu saucy [12:05] cub, :O [12:06] but that was yesteday. A lot of things can have happened since then! [12:06] lol [12:20] smartboyhw: Yes, Scott dropped by yesterday [12:20] I was on the Debian Multimeda meeting, regarding creating a blend today [12:20] I got some insight into the problems therein [12:20] so, I'll be starting to work on that later on [12:21] what kind of problems? [12:21] not sure when, maybe not fully until next year when we release 14.04 [12:21] someone needs to figure out how to put up a website for it, and where [12:21] someone needs to figure out how to build the image, and how to publish it [12:21] things like that [12:22] xequence, you should set up a wiki first：P [12:22] the first part seems simple enough. The second one, i suppose you got that covered? :D [12:22] The best thing is to use debians own resources to as great degree as possible, and there's a lot of documentation out there [12:22] also, just need to talk with the right people to get help [12:22] pah, website first. Get the word around, then people will look in/after wiki. [12:23] xequence, how many people are in the team? [12:23] cub: quite many, but most of the work is done by a handful of people [12:24] xequence, including you I suppose? [12:24] My idea is also to try integrate the work that we do with this blend as much as possible [12:24] so, we could all join that team really [12:24] I haven't really gotten started yet. [12:25] I might not be the one maintaining most packages, but that's alright. Others can do that. I can work on the abstraction part - the user side of things [12:25] I would have guessed they were a lot more and hardcore coders all of them. Not like, well like me. [12:25] xequence, great:) [12:25] cub: It's basically a packaging team right now. People who know how to build software and how to follow Debian policies [12:27] * smartboyhw should start become active in it someday, damnit [12:28] I suppose. I have just always been a bit intimidated by Debian. Something those "real hackers" use. :P [12:29] * smartboyhw likes Ubuntu sorry:P [12:29] I like the idea of being closer to the source. [12:30] * smartboyhw is horrified at #kubuntu for the number of users having problems.. [14:48] smartboyhw: I have been using kubuntu pretty solid with very few problems. No show stoppers. [14:49] xequence: I think you are on the right path. [14:51] cub: we are based on xfce really. We have not rebased on xubuntu's -settings package since 11.10 [14:52] OvenWerks, aha? I heard it pulled from Xubuntu [14:52] cub: feel free to make changes there [14:52] no [14:53] we started from there, but have not kept it synced. [14:53] when there are only two or three people doing things it is hard. [14:53] it has been great having more help. [14:55] I hope to when I get more familiar with everything [14:55] cub: I will be doing a number of changes to the settings package anyway. I would be happy to include any merges you have. Or if you know where the setting goes in your home folder I can probably translate to system default. [14:58] xequence: I would like to have a postinst command to remove /usr/share/xsessions/xfce.desktop [14:58] OvenWerks, gotta go but will read up later on. [14:58] This would be for our ISO only [14:58] cub: great! [14:59] xequence: maybe it could be in our preseed. [15:00] OvenWerks, heh, that excludes when you install our backports PPA to upgrade to a newer KDE SC version [15:02] smartboyhw: I have only used 13.10. It started as a fresh install, but I think by now everything has been upgraded. [15:02] OvenWerks, 13.10 is smoother:P [15:17] OvenWerks: Yes, we should remove it. Not sure where it should be done [16:37] xequence: My thought is that it should be a settings postinst, but should be triggered by a preseed. [16:38] That way if the settings is installed on it's own it doesn't disturb what the user has. [17:50] wilee-nilee is the guy i have been trying to get to help us in the main channel [17:51] xequence and OvenWerks .. or whomever [18:41] holstein: people have to help of their own free will. More would be nice though :) [18:44] I think making the live ISOs startup depend heavily on graphics HW is a mistake. It looks nice sure, but for some people broken is just broken. [18:45] Mostly a little patience is all thats needed, On many of my bootups the monitor goes blank and tells me no signal, but If I just wait for lightdm (and X) to load, it comes back and I can log in. [19:35] xequence: Oh, have you actually tried the liquorix kernel and compared it to -lowlat? [19:49] TheDrums: No [19:49] I'm quite aware that realtime kernels outperform linux-lowlatency, if that is what you mean [19:51] xequence, very weird behaviour from my 12.04 installation. I forgot to switch on the wifi and ran apt-get update, and it started asking for Saucy 13.10 cd....any idea how that might have occured? I have not installed 13.10 on this laptop but have downloaded the iso before. Shouldn't mess with my repos though..? [20:01] cub: check the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list [20:03] OvenWerks: i asked hiim to just be there and redirect or whatever.. if the channel is dead [20:04] xequence, yup, there is deb: cdrom pointing to 13.10. :D [20:04] cub: that's weird. Just comment it out, and do sudo apt-get update [20:06] hmm I wonder...I remember running apt-get dist-upgrade because the low-latency was held back all the time....but I thought that was on my other laptop. Perhaps I'm just confused [20:06] dist-upgrade just does a normal update [20:07] I'm more inclined to think you put in a saucy CD and did something [20:08] Not that I know of. I have to install on Virtualbox only. [20:09] cub: doing 'sudo apt-get upgrade' will sometimes not update all your packages. If an update wants to change something on your system, like remove some files, that package will be held back [20:10] it's like a safe update [20:10] to do a "normal" update, you do: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [20:10] that's the same as using the update manager gui [20:11] Aha that explains why I often had to run the update manager to get newer kernels [21:09] holstein: sounds good. [21:59] micahg: don't know if you are still here this afternoon. If you don't see it till later thats ok too. Does lintian complain about: desktop-command-not-in-package if the package in depends is not releassed yet? [22:05] Anyway, it is only "Certainty: possible" and I know it's ok.