[00:21] <phillw> ianorlin: as desktops are only supported for 9 months now, the devs are concentrating on getting a rock solid 13.10 release out and also concentrating upon the 1st LTS of lubuntu in 14.04. If you'd like to help out, head over to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities
[06:36] <Guest23566> does anyone here have any issues when connecting an external monitor to a laptop?
[06:37] <holstein> Guest23566: no
[06:37] <holstein> Guest23566: well, with certain hardware, i dont even bother trying, but with hardware that has linux drivers, no problems
[06:38] <Guest23566> so when you save the setting of having the external monitor being your single primary monitor you have not problems with the desktop background or openbox?
[06:38] <holstein> Guest23566: nothing that i wasnt able to work around.. but i use arandr
[06:39] <Guest23566> why arandr and not the default lubuntu tool?
[06:39] <holstein> Guest23566: i use arandr on everything.. because it works for me, and in know it
[06:40] <Guest23566> can you try to see if you have any problems when using the default lubuntu tool
[06:40] <holstein> Guest23566: i have, and i dont
[06:40] <holstein> Guest23566: what problems are you having?
[06:41] <Guest23566> the background is a mix with lubuntu and openbox
[06:41] <holstein> "a mix" ?
[06:42] <Guest23566> yeah it is like the laptop monitor which is off is overlaid in the background on the external monitor
[06:42] <Guest23566> i right right in some areas i get the regular lubuntu menu, and on other areas i get the standard openbox menu
[06:42] <Guest23566> click*
[06:43] <holstein> Guest23566: i have had "funky" stuff happen with lxde and openbos and dual head. but nothing i wasnt able to either deal with or fix
[06:43] <holstein> Guest23566: you can set that setting in the bios... and reboot
[06:43] <Guest23566> i think the problem is during start up dual monitors are working but my session settings are only for 1 external monitor
[06:45] <holstein> Guest23566: have you tried configuring with arandr? or using the bios to disable the one you dont want to use? or test dual head support in something you are more familiar with (maybe xfce) to see if the driver support is "good"
[06:46] <Guest23566> well if i use arandr, then the problem won't be fixed for everything else who just use the standard lubuntu configuration
[06:46] <holstein> Guest23566: so, it works?
[06:47] <holstein> Guest23566: lubuntu is likely not interested in adding a tool.. and we are assuming its "broken" for everyone else.. could be just your specific hardware case
[06:47] <Guest23566> i rather not change settings in the bias because it becomes cumbersome since sometimes i go mobile and don't use the external monitor as my primary monitor
[06:47] <Guest23566> i don't think it is a driver issue
[06:48] <holstein> Guest23566: i dont know if it is, but neither of us has confirmed that
[06:48] <Guest23566> intel integrated graphics seem to be well supported in linux
[07:03] <Unit193> Mine isn't.
[07:05] <holstein> yup.. i have on intel machine that is a pain.. worse than my via chip
[07:06] <holstein> one*
[12:52] <OnkelTem> hi
[12:52] <OnkelTem> how to run install in text mode?
[12:53] <OnkelTem> gui install just segfaults
[12:57] <OnkelTem> hello?
[13:03] <phillw> OnkelTem: use the alternate ISO
[13:11] <OnkelTem> phillw: thanks. i wonder why this install isnt included into base iso
[13:14] <phillw> OnkelTem: lubuntu are the only desktop team that now offer a specific alternate install ISO in order to keep things CD sized, they are two seperate ISO's
[15:54] <cloneG> hello I am trying to run Wallch on lubuntu 12.04 but I cant
[15:55] <cloneG> it installs flawlessly but image of the day and live earth images wont show
[15:55] <cloneG> I am pretty annoyed for I am using the same program on another computer Ubuntu 12.04 64 bits and it works perfectly
[15:57] <cloneG> the point is the wallch version under ubuntu 12.04 64bits its 3.5 and the one installed on lubuntu is 3.01 and both systems use the same repository!
[15:58] <cloneG> and I followed same steps to install wallch in both systems
[16:00] <cloneG> anyone?
[16:02] <phillw> cloneG: from having a quick read, it is for gnome. I'm assuming it has dependencies that are in lubuntu?
[16:04] <phillw> 3.01 is the latest stable for wallch
[16:04] <cloneG> yeah I was suspecting the same thing because under /home/user/.config/
[16:04] <cloneG> there are two wallch folders in the ubuntu system and only one in the lubuntu
[16:04] <cloneG> wallch and wallch4 in ubuntu
[16:05] <cloneG> and only walch and xfce4 under lubuntu
[16:05] <phillw> cloneG: you can add the wallch 3+ ppa manually.
[16:05] <cloneG> the point is that the wallch4 folder seems to hold the downloaded images from wikipedia that make live earth wallpaper work...
[16:06] <cloneG> I told you the ppa is the same on both systems
[16:06] <cloneG> I added them myself
[16:06] <phillw> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:wallch/3+ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install wallch
[16:06] <cloneG> exactly same path
[16:06] <cloneG> yes
[16:07] <cloneG> but under ubuntu works and not under lubuntu
[16:07] <phillw> not sure why you're only getting the 'stable' 3.01.
[16:07] <cloneG> different versions
[16:08] <cloneG> I have  no idea that is why I came asking
[16:08] <cloneG> this is lubuntu forum right?
[16:08] <phillw> I'm just adding the ppa 3+ to my system
[16:08] <cloneG> oh cool
[16:08] <cloneG> its a cool program
[16:09] <cloneG> I was trying to install it on a friends laptop
[16:09] <cloneG> because I am happy with it on my pc
[16:09] <phillw> give it a couple of mins to update eveything (I'm running saucy, so it will have a few updates to do!)
[16:09] <cloneG> saucy?
[16:09] <cloneG> whats that may I ask?
[16:10] <phillw> the name of the 13.10 release, I'm a tester :)
[16:10] <cloneG> oh
[16:10] <cloneG> I like LTS versions
[16:10] <cloneG> thats why I am keeping 12.04
[16:10] <phillw> that will be 14.04, lubuntu's 1st LTS :)
[16:10] <cloneG> when?
[16:11] <cloneG> 2017?
[16:11] <cloneG> I will be balder
[16:11] <phillw> April 2014, saame time as the all the next suites of LTS's land.
[16:11] <cloneG> wow
[16:11] <cloneG> not that far
[16:11] <phillw> lubuntu was too young to have an LTS in 12.04
[16:11] <cloneG> also true for ubuntu ?¿
[16:12] <phillw> yes, ubuntu 14.04 will also be a LTS
[16:12] <phillw> each flavour decides if they are issuing 14.04 as LTS, or with standard 9 month support.
[16:13] <cloneG> I thought 13.04 was going to be lts aswell
[16:13] <cloneG> but not being I am staying on 12.04
[16:13] <cloneG> I want to fill the system
[16:14] <phillw> 13.04 is only a 9 month support, as does 13.10
[16:14] <cloneG> tired of reinstalling things
[16:14] <phillw> no need to re-install! Just do a dist upgrade
[16:14] <cloneG> hmmmm
[16:15] <phillw> but, if you're happy with 12.04, stickwith it!
[16:15] <cloneG> what about all the repos?
[16:15] <cloneG> they would become outdated
[16:15] <phillw> 12.04.3 is due out 29th of this  month.
[16:16] <phillw> the ubuntu based repos will be updated, ones you have added will not be affected
[16:16] <cloneG> you see the point
[16:16] <cloneG> many home programs I have
[16:17] <cloneG> hey how 's that update going=?
[16:17] <phillw> programmes you have installed are not affected when you do a dist upgrade... I'd be furious if they were!
[16:17] <cloneG> did you get the wallch 3.5 on lubuntu?
[16:17] <phillw> i got a couple of errors (usual), just re-running.
[16:18] <cloneG> :-P
[16:18] <phillw> 3g device is not the best for doing updates with :)
[16:18] <cloneG> hey another amazing desktop program is liveWallpaper
[16:18] <cloneG> but I dont think people running would like it
[16:20] <phillw> I used to have the nasa pic of the day installed on my lubuntu system a few releases back, I liked it.
[16:21] <phillw> I've got to install 49 GB of gnome libraries... this will take a few minutes!
[16:21] <cloneG> livewallpaper is memory glutton
[16:21] <phillw> lol 49 MB :D
[16:22] <cloneG> noway
[16:22] <cloneG> youre the only chatting soul in this chat
[16:22] <cloneG> what is the other people doing?
[16:22] <cloneG> picking their nose?
[16:22] <phillw> it has installed wallch 3.0
[16:22] <cloneG> you see!!!
[16:22] <phillw> it is the weekend, they must have a life :)
[16:22] <cloneG> blame on lubuntu
[16:23] <phillw> how so? I got it from the ppa!
[16:23] <cloneG> you tell me
[16:23] <cloneG> I have no idea
[16:23] <phillw> unless the ppa has not installed... let me check
[16:25] <phillw> Couldn't open file /usr/share/gnome/gnome-version.xml for reading, assuming gnome version is 3.
[16:25] <phillw> lubuntu does not have that file
[16:28] <cloneG> oooh
[16:28] <cloneG> so it wont work on lubuntu will it0ç
[16:28] <cloneG> ?
[16:28] <phillw> cloneG: fear not! https://bugs.launchpad.net/wallpaper-changer/+bug/1007222
[16:28] <phillw> I'm jst reading the bug now - and the solution :D
[16:29] <phillw> bbs... 30 minutes past dog feeding time, they're giving me that nagging look :)
[16:31] <cloneG> hmmm
[16:31] <cloneG> does that thread mean to install the latest version of the ppa
[16:31] <cloneG> I already tried those bash lines
[16:36] <phillw> https://launchpad.net/~wallch/+archive/3+
[16:36] <phillw> has the latest raring version
[16:36] <phillw> 3.59
[16:39] <phillw> I'm trying a direct download of the .deb file.
[16:41] <cloneG> hey how do you do that?
[16:42] <phillw> and now it reports that I have version 4.0 :D Looks quite different!
[16:42] <cloneG> If i click the  https://launchpad.net/~wallch/+archive/3+ link I go to a lost something page
[16:42] <phillw> yup, so did I... then I got my detective head on :) Are you running the amd64 or i386 version of lubuntu?
[16:43] <cloneG> i386
[16:44] <cloneG> so you succeed didnt you?
[16:44] <cloneG> is it working?
[16:44] <phillw> this will download the i386 for you as a deb file https://launchpad.net/~wallch/+archive/3+/+files/wallch_3.59-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[16:44] <cloneG> can you see the live earth wallpaper?
[16:44] <phillw> yes it launched fine... no wall papers set up yet.
[16:45] <phillw> once you have the .deb package, use GDebi to install it.
[16:45] <cloneG> oookay
[16:45] <cloneG> thanks alot
[16:46] <phillw> it will warn that this is not the best way to install, but it worked fine for me (i grabbed the amd64 one as that is my system).
[16:46] <cloneG> but still a bit confused..
[16:46] <cloneG> why the deb dowload link was not working?
[16:47] <cloneG> I got the deb file from your post
[16:47] <phillw> 3.59 is only available for raring (13.04)
[16:47] <cloneG> I mean the links in the launchpad bug thread
[16:47] <phillw> it had to grab some extra bits, but GDebi looked after all of that.
[16:47] <cloneG> they are pointing nowhere
[16:48] <phillw> do you have a file on your desktop that starts wallch_3.59-ubuntu ?
[16:50] <cloneG> installing now
[16:51] <cloneG> in the meanwhile another bug this one directly related to lubuntu...
[16:51] <phillw> you can contact the maintainer / file a bug - details are on the launchpad page :)
[16:51] <cloneG> the unit dev/mapper/cryptswaper1 is not ready or present
[16:51] <cloneG> what that might be related to?
[16:52] <phillw> did you install an encrypted home?
[16:52] <cloneG> it always appear on startup but waiting  just do
[16:52] <cloneG> I mean you can normally login
[16:52] <cloneG> uf
[16:52] <cloneG> long ago
[16:52] <cloneG> I dont remember
[16:52] <cloneG> perhaps
[16:55] <phillw> have a read of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1759174
[16:55] <phillw> it is not a lubuntu issue, it affects all flavours.
[16:57] <cloneG> libkeybinder0 unsatisfied dependency (installing the wallch deb you posted)
[16:57] <cloneG> did you get to install that ubuntu 13.04 package on lubuntu12.04=
[16:58] <cloneG> ?
[16:58] <cloneG> oh no
[16:58] <cloneG> youre running saucy
[16:58] <cloneG> you told me
[16:58] <cloneG> so how do I get out of this pit now?
[16:58] <cloneG> do I need to find the missing dependencies'
[16:58] <cloneG> ?
[16:59] <cloneG> oh upgrading...of course
[16:59] <cloneG> you see you spend more time obeying lubuntu requirements than using it
[17:00] <phillw> from the lp page, it is avaialble for raring, I guess that is why it was not backported to 12.04... unmet dependencie.
[17:00] <phillw> we manually over rode that by directly installing it.
[17:01] <cloneG> ?
[17:01] <cloneG> bash?
[17:01] <phillw> the newer library files it needs must not be present in 12.04.
[17:02] <cloneG> which are...
[17:02] <cloneG> how do I tell which the newer library files are?
[17:09] <phillw> cloneG: if you want 3.59 wallch, you need to be running Raring to meet what it needs.
[17:09] <phillw> I've looked further into your cryptswap, from terminal issue:
[17:09] <phillw> top
[17:09] <phillw> and see if there is a swap area listed (near the top)
[17:11] <cloneG> okay how do I upgrade pangolin?
[17:11] <cloneG> I dont see the upgrade suggestion on update manager
[17:11] <phillw> use the update manager in the menu is the easiest way.
[17:11] <phillw> you must have told it to ignore the new releases :)
[17:12] <cloneG> hmmmm
[17:12] <phillw> use the terminal https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html
[17:12] <cloneG> how do I make it understand I changed my mind
[17:13] <phillw> (don't use the -d option!)
[17:13] <phillw> uninstall wallch, then reinstall it. It will revert back to the one from the standard repo.
[17:14] <phillw> so, either upgrade the version of lubuntu, or accept that in 12.04, you're on the older one... That is choice you must make.
[17:15] <phillw> if you choose the upgrade
[17:16] <phillw> then you will most likely have to do it twice... 12.04 --> 12.10 --> 13.04 The boffins are working on allowing people to skip versions when upgrading, but it is still expermintal; so I'd not recommend it at present.
[17:19] <cloneG> no way
[17:19] <cloneG> the do-release-upgrade finds no newer system versions
[17:20] <cloneG> this is pulling my leg
[17:20] <phillw> sudo do-release-upgrade
[17:20] <cloneG> sudo lacking perhaps?¿
[17:20] <cloneG> okay
[17:20] <phillw> yup, that was from the server area, where they expect us to know :D
[17:21] <SonikkuAmerica> ...Come again?
[17:22] <phillw> if you ever issue
[17:22] <phillw> a really_long-command with -lots of flags
[17:22] <phillw> and then realise you need sudo, issue
[17:22] <phillw> sudo !!
[17:22] <phillw> and it will repeat the command with sudo at the start of it (I use it all the time!)
[17:22] <OnkelTem> what window manager uses lubuntu?
[17:22] <holstein> lxde uses openbox
[17:22] <holstein> OnkelTem:
[17:22] <cloneG> no sudo
[17:22] <cloneG> its not working either
[17:23] <cloneG> it says no new versions available
[17:23] <OnkelTem> if i use expert mode, what should i install to get it holstein?
[17:23] <ianorlin> expert mode?
[17:23] <OnkelTem> alternate iso
[17:23] <OnkelTem> istallation
[17:24] <holstein> OnkelTem: you should only use expert mode, if you are an expert.. lxde or lubuntu-desktop will get you what you want
[17:24] <SonikkuAmerica> phillw: Ah. Good to know
[17:24] <cloneG> and the system profiler and benchmark is positively telling me I am using a lubuntu 12.04
[17:24] <OnkelTem> holstein: i am. thanks
[17:25] <holstein> OnkelTem: you ware what? an expert? if you were an expert, you would know, or be able to find out about lxde..
[17:25] <SonikkuAmerica> cloneG: Check software-properties-gtk
[17:25] <SonikkuAmerica> cloneG: it might say "Long-term-support releases only"
[17:25] <SonikkuAmerica> cloneG: Change it to "For any new version" and then issue the command again.
[17:25] <OnkelTem> holstein: why if you just told me?
[17:26] <OnkelTem> im an expert in questioning at least
[17:27] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm inclined to believe that Lubuntu is 3 flavors in one: Lubuntu itself, Openboxbuntu, and whatever the "Nexus7" edition is. All selectable from within lightdm
[17:29] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: with a mix of xcfe thrown in :D
[17:30] <OnkelTem> Is lxde installed with lubuntu-desktop?
[17:30] <SonikkuAmerica> phillw: Ah yes. I make that point myself. LXDE depends on about 30% of XFCE just to run. :)
[17:30] <SonikkuAmerica> (Although I must wonder what the Qt port uses)
[17:30] <holstein> OnkelTem: lubuntu *uses* lxde
[17:30] <cloneG> SonikkuAmerica found it thanks
[17:30] <holstein> !lubuntu
[17:30] <SonikkuAmerica> *instead of Unity
[17:31] <OnkelTem> holstein: i see. nice.
[17:31] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: there is no point re-inventing the wheel :) that is why as QA testers, we will happily test any flavour, we all use bits from eachother :D
[17:32] <SonikkuAmerica> Yep! In fact, in the near future, I plan on running the "Big 5" flavors of Ubuntu from (almost) the same hard disk (different partitions)
[17:32] <SonikkuAmerica> Ubuntu, Ubuntu GNOME, Kubuntu, Xubuntu and Lubuntu
[17:33] <OnkelTem> holstein: actually i was unable to install Lubuntu from base iso - installation was crashing at disks detection. Thats why I had to use alternate and expert mode
[17:33] <phillw> xubuntu test case writer wrote up the gnumeric and abiword test cases, I will be amending the test case to include a test for multiple pages as requested by one of the lubuntu testers, that test case will have those extras autmatically appear for the xubuntu package testers :)
[17:33] <holstein> OnkelTem: "chose".... you chose to..
[17:34] <OnkelTem> i had no other alternatives :)
[17:34] <ianorlin> hmm does alternate iso load usb drivers before selecting which disk to install to?
[17:35] <OnkelTem> i was asking here is there a way to proceed in text mode, but was told i need alternate iso.
[17:35] <SonikkuAmerica> ianorlin: Good q. Too bad the alternate iso is dying.
[17:36] <SonikkuAmerica> OnkelTem: Does base iso == mini.iso?
[17:36] <OnkelTem> base -- defalt -- desktop
[17:36] <OnkelTem> i meant
[17:37]  * ianorlin used graphical installer on this comp click try without installing to make sure it saw the usb external hard drive
[17:37] <ianorlin> and plop doesn't support running two cd drivess
[17:38] <OnkelTem> Actually its a bit criptic fot me - why netinst is not a part of desktop
[17:40] <OnkelTem> What if i got and burned desktop iso and then suddenly something goes wrong as in my case?
[17:40] <SonikkuAmerica> OnkelTem: Have you actually gone and *tried* the mini.iso?
[17:41] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: the alternate iso will continue... rumours of its death are premature :)
[17:41] <OnkelTem> SonikkuAmerica: Im not sure i understand what is mini. I downloaded the iso which was there by default. I think it is desktop iso.
[17:41] <SonikkuAmerica> ... That's a new one.
[17:42] <holstein> !mini | OnkelTem
[17:42] <SonikkuAmerica> The problem though with the mini.iso is it does not (yet, I hope) work with UEFI mode.
[17:44] <SonikkuAmerica> I think, however, all that needs to be done is to stick the "efi" folder from the 64-bit Ubuntu images onto the 64-bit mini.iso and integrate it into the boot code.
[17:44] <OnkelTem> holstein: now i found it on the dowload page. it goes after the icon "Standard PC" - the option I used.
[17:45] <ianorlin> did you check md5 sums?
[17:46] <OnkelTem> How much RAM does LXDE consume?
[17:47] <holstein> OnkelTem: try it live... im running quite a few apps and im at 500mb's
[17:48] <holstein> OnkelTem: LXDE is arguably one of, if not the most lightweight "normal" desktop like DE
[17:48] <OnkelTem> Sorry for asking questions like those - I type from phone, sitting via SSH at my office PC from home lol
[17:48] <holstein> OnkelTem: if LXDE's memory management is unaceptalbe to you, you are going to want to build from scratch
[17:49] <OnkelTem> holstein: i tried lubuntu for the first time when i had 256mb
[17:50] <OnkelTem> it was pretty slow but i loved its look
[17:50] <holstein> OnkelTem: my point, again. LXDE is the lightest "ready to go" desktop.. and the lightest officially released on an official ubuntu version
[17:51] <holstein> OnkelTem: you will want something like puppy linux on 256 of ram... or an older OS that is more of that "era"
[17:51] <OnkelTem> good
[17:51] <OnkelTem> but i've got 1gb!
[17:51]  * ianorlin is using lubuntu on a 512 mb desktop
[17:51] <OnkelTem> i bought it from a friend for 2 beers lol
[17:52] <ianorlin> just can't open as much stuff at once as my 4 gb ram laptop that also runs lubuntu
[17:52] <holstein> OnkelTem: you might wnat to test the hardware.. the hard drive.. not assume the hard drive issues you are having are with the installers
[17:53] <OnkelTem> ianorlin: and still it is good idea to have light desktop. its always good idea :)
[17:53]  * SonikkuAmerica is the hypocrite of the bunch, running Windows 8
[17:55] <OnkelTem> To say truth I love Gnome3 either. But its too greedy for resourses. 4% on my 16gb pc
[17:56] <OnkelTem> but it depends on used extensions
[18:47] <OnkelTem> After installation I've got strange problem
[18:48] <OnkelTem> apt-get upgrade segfaults
[18:48] <OnkelTem> apt-get -f install segfaults
[18:48] <OnkelTem> any ideas?
[18:50] <ianorlin> does dist-upgrade?
[18:50] <phillw> OnkelTem: "When a machine starts to misbehave like this, it can be a RAM chip gone bad, causing a few bits to flip. Given the symptoms, it's possible that some library files were corrupted when they were installed.Reboot and run a memory test. Let it run for at least one full pass (keep it running over lunch or overnight). If any of the RAM chips is faulty, change it immediately."
[18:51] <OnkelTem> phillw: thanks. I've already replaced RAM as it was the first idea. But looks like its correct - maybe while installing the file was corrupted
[18:51] <ianorlin> was the new ram working?
[18:51] <phillw> OnkelTem: have a read of the thread at http://askubuntu.com/questions/269285/various-segfaults-in-syslog-firefox-apt-get-and-other-apps-broken - it covers correcting the corrupted files as well :)
[18:54] <OnkelTem> phillw: I wonder is there a tool which just checks files checksums and updates those having wrong numbers
[18:55] <phillw> OnkelTem: if you have your /home as seperate partition, I'd always suggest just doing a clean re-install. You have no idea as to how many files are corrupt. I'm not aware of any tool to do check the checksums and re-install just those.
[19:09] <glassman_> lubuntu 12.04 running of a usb to a dell that is connected to a hp that is running a lazerprinter.  Hook up in ubuntu is ez, lubuntu i am stuck
[19:11] <ianorlin> hp what computer or hp lazerprinter?
[19:12] <thor_> Hi will lxqt-desktop be ready for test in 13.10
[19:13] <phillw> glassman_: hp provide a simple one-stop tool for all their printers / scanners etc.
[19:14] <phillw> hplib, I believe it is installed as default with ubuntu, but needs adding to lubuntu.
[19:18] <phillw> thor_: I'm not sure on that, there is qt work going on but the devs are concentrating on 13.10 'standard',
[19:19] <SonikkuAmerica> ... I assume 'standard' means GTK+ 2 then...?
[19:22] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: yes, our devs are now involved with the razor-qt people for work on 14.04, there is some qt work avaialble in 13.10 (pcmanfm has an early version out in qt)
[19:22] <SonikkuAmerica> phillw: Ooh! I didn't realize that was the Qt y'all are working with.
[19:22] <phillw> yeah, pooling resources :)
[19:23] <SonikkuAmerica> Is it lighter-weight than messing with GTK+? (I would assume so)
[19:25] <phillw> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/+archive/lubuntu-daily/+index?batch=75&memo=75&start=75 has pcmanfm in both gtk+3 and qt (the qt version is still stable beta).
[19:28] <SonikkuAmerica> Well, I typically compare by speed. After all, Xubuntu may be big, but it's good-lookin'
[19:28] <SonikkuAmerica> And runs about as fast
[19:32] <phillw> they are still investigating, it is partially driven by ubuntu moving to Mir and leaving question marks over gtk development.
[19:32] <phillw> Recently many things happen to LXDE.
[19:32] <phillw> One of the most drastic changes is the migration to Qt.
[19:34] <SonikkuAmerica> Is Wayland too big? :)
[19:34] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: you'd need to get involved on lxde, I test what we are given :D
[19:35] <SonikkuAmerica> phillw: I wish I had more time. College and such
[19:36] <ianorlin> why does hpsetup in the -i option try to print the testpage as root if you run sudo hpsetup
[19:36] <phillw> we do keep people updated, a lot of the discussions are held on the lubuntu-quality mailing list, as it is the people on there who have the task of checking things out :)
[19:36] <ianorlin> hp-setup
[19:37] <phillw> ianorlin: hp-setup is not maintained by ubuntu.
[19:37] <ianorlin> ok
[19:48] <SonikkuAmerica> phillw: LOL - did you see smartboyhw's response to your request for a wiki maintainer?
[19:51] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: I had several people respond.. ** note to self, email out who is now wiki TL :D **
[19:51] <SonikkuAmerica> Of course. I lol'ed over what he wrote in partic
[19:55] <phillw> ianorlin: have a look at http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html
[20:02] <lubuntu-newbie> Hello.
[20:02] <phillw> hi lubuntu-newbie
[20:02] <phillw> !ask
[20:03] <phillw> if you want a general chat, we also have #lubuntu-offtopic for non-support related conversations.
[20:05] <lubuntu-newbie> Last night I created a liveUSB install with persistence.  This morning, I installed Firefox, but it didn't pop up in the "Internet" tab.  How do I find it?
[20:09] <phillw> lubuntu-newbie: How large is your persistence area?
[20:09] <lubuntu-newbie> ~3.7 GB
[20:10] <phillw> hmm, should be large enough to install Ffox, how did you install it?
[20:10] <lubuntu-newbie> Through Lubuntu Software Center.
[20:11] <phillw> does LSC show it as being now installed?
[20:12] <lubuntu-newbie> Yes, it does.
[20:12] <phillw> hmm, odd... what version of lubuntu are you using?
[20:13] <lubuntu-newbie> 13.04 i386
[20:16] <lubuntu-newbie> Perhaps I should uninstall it and then try again.
[20:16] <phillw> lubuntu-newbie: that is what I'm thinking as I read up on issues.... open a terminal session and issue:
[20:16] <phillw> sudo apt-get purge firefox
[20:17] <phillw> when that is done, issue:
[20:17] <phillw> sudo apt-get install firefox
[20:17] <Unit193> Why not apt-get --reinstall install firefox?
[20:18] <phillw> Unit193: purge is a bit more aggressive :D
[20:18] <lubuntu-newbie> I actually issued the command via LSC before you suggested using terminal.
[20:18] <Unit193> I'm aware. :P
[20:19] <phillw> that's why I suggested using it.... hopefully gets us a clean slate :)
[20:20] <lubuntu-newbie> Ok, it's unpacking firefox.
[20:23] <lubuntu-newbie> It has finished and the last line says "Please restart all running instances of firefox, or you will experience problems."
[20:26] <phillw> lubuntu-newbie: reboot your machine, just to be safe :)
[20:26] <lubuntu-newbie> Ok.  I'll be back in a moment.
[20:27] <phillw> np
[20:40] <lubuntu-newbie> Thanks!
[20:40] <lubuntu-newbie> I do believe restarting was the issue.   That's something I'll need to remember for when I install something else.
[20:47] <phillw> lubuntu-newbie: most times, logging off and back on will resolve issues, but as lubuntu is so blazingly fast on a re-start it hardly makes sense :D
[20:47] <lubuntu-newbie> Yeah.
[20:47] <lubuntu-newbie> Hm..
[20:48] <phillw> as of 13.10 Ffox will be the default browser.
[20:49] <lubuntu-newbie> Ok.