| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 09:16 |
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| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:17 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 09:19 |
| brobostigon | morning bigcalm and MartijnVdS | 09:20 |
| MartijnVdS | Spa next week \o/ | 09:20 |
| MartijnVdS | s/^/F1 @/ | 09:20 |
| brobostigon | this is sad, i have been ssh'bombed by 76.72.167.2 for the last two days. someone doesnt have anything better to do. | 09:21 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: do you have fail2ban installed? | 09:21 |
| brobostigon | yes. | 09:22 |
| MartijnVdS | so they can't actually do anything. Yay :) | 09:22 |
| brobostigon | was one of the first things i installed. | 09:22 |
| brobostigon | :) | 09:22 |
| MartijnVdS | you can also set up private/public key authentication and disable password auth completely | 09:22 |
| bigcalm | Having SSHd run on a port other than 22 is also a good start :) | 09:22 |
| brobostigon | definatly bigcalm | 09:22 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: i shall have to research how to import those keys into things like connectbot. | 09:23 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: that's possible, I have a key in my connectbot as well | 09:23 |
| MartijnVdS | I even have one on my chromebook! | 09:23 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: cool, could work then. :) | 09:23 |
| brobostigon | wicked. | 09:24 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: putty supports keys, and even an agent (with pageant) | 09:25 |
| brobostigon | putty, isnt that for MS windows? | 09:26 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: (agent is useful if you don't want to re-type the key passphrase every time you ssh, also if you "chain-ssh" from one host to the next | 09:26 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: it is, but there's also an X version -- apt-get install putty | 09:26 |
| MartijnVdS | http://mah.everybody.org/docs/ssh | 09:26 |
| brobostigon | ah, i did not know that. | 09:27 |
| popey | pip pip | 09:28 |
| MartijnVdS | \o popeyman | 09:28 |
| brobostigon | morning your popey'ness | 09:30 |
| MartijnVdS | El Poperino? | 09:31 |
| brobostigon | :) | 09:32 |
| * popey recently discovered the joy that is bacon cooked in the microwave | 09:37 | |
| MartijnVdS | popey: but.. isn't that.. eww? | 09:37 |
| popey | nope | 09:37 |
| popey | two sheets of kitchen roll, lay the bacon on top, one extra sheet of kitchen roll on top | 09:37 |
| popey | 3 mins, done | 09:37 |
| brobostigon | does it not make a mess on the inside of the microwelle ? | 09:37 |
| popey | nope | 09:37 |
| popey | thanks to the top layer | 09:38 |
| brobostigon | ah. | 09:38 |
| brobostigon | sorry, microwelle, german. woops. | 09:38 |
| popey | also, a better technique for poached eggs. bring water to boil, roll the eggs (in shells) in the water for ~10 seconds or so, then take them out and crack them in | 09:38 |
| popey | makes the white a tiny bit solid so it doesn't separate out | 09:38 |
| ali1234 | i used to poach eggs that way if they're not fresh | 09:39 |
| ali1234 | but then i got some poach pods | 09:39 |
| ali1234 | http://www.lakeland.co.uk/12116/Green-poachpod | 09:39 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: DER MIKROWELLENOFEN | 09:40 |
| popey | i have some of them | 09:40 |
| popey | but rarely use them | 09:40 |
| popey | easier to just crack into water | 09:40 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: yep, that thing, :) | 09:40 |
| popey | also, the plate the bacon cooked on becomes hot, which is good for keeping the poached eggs warm | 09:41 |
| popey | just need to wipe the moisture off with the kitchen towel you just used to cook the bacon | 09:41 |
| brobostigon | this is where living in germany for almost ten years as a child and teenger blocks the mind. | 09:41 |
| MartijnVdS | I want to try cooking an egg in my oven some time | 09:43 |
| MartijnVdS | Takes 30m instead of 8-10-ish | 09:43 |
| popey | \o/ crispy bacon | 09:46 |
| popey | i had a pizza in cannes once which had an egg in the middle | 09:47 |
| popey | was one the best best pizzas ever | 09:47 |
| MartijnVdS | Cannes or cans? | 09:47 |
| popey | heh | 09:47 |
| popey | cannes | 09:47 |
| MartijnVdS | I've had a pizza with egg as well, it was good. But this is more like a "boiled" egg, but instead of boiling it in water, you do the heat transfer using air in an oven. | 09:48 |
| MartijnVdS | \o/ Cooking for Geeks | 09:48 |
| popey | how odd | 09:48 |
| popey | my local curry house does a "special" which is a chicken & "meat" curry which also has a boiled egg in it | 09:48 |
| popey | its really nice | 09:48 |
| popey | they score the egg so the curry flavour penetrates it | 09:48 |
| MartijnVdS | stop making me hungry :P | 09:49 |
| popey | heh | 09:58 |
| AlanBell | I have an egg boiling machine | 10:07 |
| AlanBell | kind of cooks them in bubbles of superheated steam | 10:08 |
| AlanBell | and a poaching pan which I rarely use, never tried "real" poaching of naked eggs in water | 10:08 |
| popey | wat! | 10:10 |
| popey | its the best way | 10:10 |
| AlanBell | whut! | 10:29 |
| AlanBell | I would have let you just have it popey :) | 10:29 |
| popey | hahah | 10:29 |
| popey | ☹ | 10:30 |
| popey | tricky given it's on ebay and people had already bid for it | 10:30 |
| AlanBell | yeah, well good luck :) | 10:31 |
| * penguin42 has ordered his virgin | 11:12 | |
| popey | ʘ‿ಠ | 11:14 |
| popey | AlanBell: well if I don't get it, at least I pushed the price up a bit ☻ | 11:15 |
| bigcalm | Good afternoon peeps :) | 11:35 |
| bigcalm | Instant boredom. Getting dangerously close to doing some work | 11:38 |
| bigcalm | Wish I could play Fez in Linux | 11:38 |
| popey | bigcalm: its coming i hear | 11:45 |
| bigcalm | \o/ | 11:45 |
| popey | bigcalm: fancy some minecraft? | 11:45 |
| bigcalm | I'm close to completing it on Windows | 11:45 |
| bigcalm | popey: sure | 11:45 |
| popey | where? mine is down | 11:46 |
| bigcalm | Snowflake? You can laugh at the parp I've been building | 11:46 |
| popey | yay | 11:46 |
| directhex | fez is a monogame game, so the porting is taking far too long imho | 11:56 |
| directhex | i.e. the windows version is monogame, not xna | 11:56 |
| ali1234 | looks like a cool game | 11:57 |
| directhex | indie game: the movie covers its creation. also braid and super meat boy | 11:58 |
| ali1234 | but if it is monogame why can't we just play the windows version directly? | 11:58 |
| ali1234 | "windows" version | 11:58 |
| directhex | monogame is api-compatible across platforms, but not abi compatible | 11:58 |
| ali1234 | i thought the whole point of managed code was that you never have to worry about ABI compatibility | 12:00 |
| directhex | yeah, well... the upstream monogame developers have a somewhat haphazard approach to such things | 12:01 |
| bigcalm | If I can't play Fez in Linux, I can at least enjoy the music: http://disasterpeace.com/album/fez | 12:56 |
| bigcalm | Love it when a torrent says 86 days remaining | 13:12 |
| Myrtti | I really wanted to play it | 13:29 |
| Myrtti | it was a bit nauseating though | 13:30 |
| bigcalm | Tempted to take my machine down stairs and hook it up to the TV | 13:57 |
| linuxliam | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/08/first-look-at-brackets-for-linux | 14:21 |
| sebsebseb | Not been in here for a while. | 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | anyone about in here at the moment? | 15:00 |
| Myrtti | somewhat | 15:23 |
| * penguin42 has been out at a LUG | 16:54 | |
| penguin42 | a fairly fun activity of looking through each others (sanitied) .bash_history files - interesting way to learn some new commands and options | 16:58 |
| === zleap is now known as helpdesk | ||
| === helpdesk is now known as zleap | ||
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| sebsebseb | penguin42: LUG's are fun generally yeah :) | 19:48 |
| penguin42 | sebsebseb: Yeh I've been going to ManLUG for many many years | 19:58 |
| MartijnVdS | what do you do at a ManLUG? Manly things? | 19:59 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: It's got to be said we are a little short of Women | 20:03 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: It's ManLUG as in Manchester (UK) | 20:03 |
| MartijnVdS | Ah :) | 20:04 |
| * MartijnVdS just watched a stream of CHVRCHES playing at Lowlands Festival | 20:04 | |
| MartijnVdS | Album. Want. Now. :) | 20:04 |
| MartijnVdS | (https://soundcloud.com/chvrches/the-mother-we-share https://soundcloud.com/chvrches/lies-mix-5-m for a few of their songs) | 20:05 |
| daftykins | what's the current flash player version people are using? | 20:07 |
| MartijnVdS | I use the one built into chrome | 20:07 |
| daftykins | a bit surprised my HTPC just updated and put 11.2.202.297 on O_O | 20:07 |
| MartijnVdS | 11.8.800.115 | 20:07 |
| daftykins | yeah i was sure we were up to .8 | 20:08 |
| daftykins | flashplugin-installer: downloading http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_11.2.202.297.orig.tar.gz | 20:08 |
| penguin42 | 11.2.202.297 apparently | 20:08 |
| daftykins | 0o | 20:08 |
| daftykins | ah-har not just me then ;) | 20:08 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Hmph - is this a different series or just old? | 20:08 |
| MartijnVdS | yes | 20:08 |
| daftykins | the system is my HTPC which i believe might be built on 12.04 | 20:09 |
| daftykins | waiting for the upgrade to finish to check | 20:09 |
| daftykins | though it might be a modified lsb-release :D | 20:10 |
| penguin42 | so what would people suggest as a new PC to use as NAT box/firewall/mini-server - I want 4 ethers, not much money and low power | 20:10 |
| daftykins | cor 4 interfaces | 20:11 |
| daftykins | i thought you had lots of old systems spare kicking around, penguin42 ? :) | 20:11 |
| daftykins | ah no it's built in 12.10 | 20:11 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: I do, and I'm currently running a P90 for this job - but I don't think it'll manage the 30Mbps cable I have on order, and I want something quieter | 20:11 |
| daftykins | ah-har :) | 20:12 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: The P90 has been doing it for a long time (it's 19 years old!) | 20:12 |
| daftykins | \o/ | 20:12 |
| penguin42 | was my 1st Linux box along time ago | 20:12 |
| daftykins | to get so many interfaces would you aim for a multi-port intel card? | 20:13 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Maybe but they used to be cheap but they now cost 100+ which is just silly | 20:13 |
| MartijnVdS | TP-Link WDR4300 with OpenWRT :) | 20:13 |
| MartijnVdS | Maybe the 4900 but that's less stable, or so I heard | 20:14 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: ^ | 20:14 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: Those things tend not to have 4 real separate interfaces seen by the cpu | 20:15 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: they do, if you configure them like that | 20:15 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: (by assigning a vlan to each port) | 20:15 |
| MartijnVdS | but yeah, you share the gbit | 20:15 |
| penguin42 | nod | 20:15 |
| * penguin42 never really likes vlan stuff - but perhaps I should | 20:15 | |
| daftykins | sounds like a good plan imo | 20:16 |
| daftykins | if the hardware's got enough oomph to push good speeds routing wise | 20:16 |
| MartijnVdS | I saturate my 100/100 link | 20:16 |
| MartijnVdS | (to the interweb) | 20:16 |
| daftykins | wish i had nice upstream :( | 20:16 |
| daftykins | that's cool | 20:16 |
| daftykins | nice and low power too with an appliance i guess | 20:16 |
| penguin42 | finding an ARM board with multiple interfaces is annoyingly hard | 20:17 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: It's fibre.. all I have are a gigabit media converter and a router :) | 20:17 |
| daftykins | yeah i'm calling the router an appliance in this case | 20:17 |
| daftykins | versus a full computer | 20:17 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-CPU-D61407-B-INTEL1000-Quad-Port-Gigabit-Ethernet-PCI-E-Adapter-Card-/281148107696 | 20:18 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: Yeh exactly, $120 | 20:18 |
| MartijnVdS | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Quad-Port-Gigabit-Network-Adapter-Intel-Pro-1000-MT-Nic/111144550835 | 20:18 |
| MartijnVdS | PCI-X though | 20:18 |
| penguin42 | yeh so the PCIe ones are really expensive for some odd reason; but PCI-x isn't too bad an idea, perhaps an older ITX board | 20:19 |
| penguin42 | in principal a dual card will probably do based on the motherboard having a couple if I find a good ones | 20:19 |
| MartijnVdS | PCI-X isn't really current anymore though, is it? | 20:19 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: I know of one 2-port motherboard | 20:19 |
| penguin42 | no, but a lot of stuff still has some PCI-x slots | 20:19 |
| MartijnVdS | Gigabyte GA-C847N + LC-Power LC-1320mi | 20:20 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: ^ those 2 + a low-profile PCI-e 2-port card should work | 20:20 |
| MartijnVdS | oh wait | 20:21 |
| MartijnVdS | "standard" PCI | 20:21 |
| daftykins | PCI-X is ancient :D | 20:21 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: Hmm they're not bad price - #69 for that board | 20:22 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: yeah but it has normal pci only | 20:23 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: Yeh but finding a dual port pci card can't be that hard | 20:23 |
| MartijnVdS | is's all -e or -x | 20:23 |
| MartijnVdS | probably because 33MHz PCI + 2GBit = cloud of magic smoke | 20:24 |
| MartijnVdS | you can get a lot of 100mbit dual-port PCI cards though | 20:25 |
| penguin42 | http://www.mini-itx.com/store/~JNF9D-2550 hmm | 20:25 |
| MartijnVdS | 3x Gigabit LAN Daughterboard Module (Intel 82541PI chipset) | 20:26 |
| MartijnVdS | whoa | 20:26 |
| penguin42 | yeh exactly | 20:26 |
| MartijnVdS | sounds like a winner to me :) | 20:26 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| mungbean | evening | 20:26 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: Nod | 20:27 |
| daftykins | that looks great | 20:28 |
| daftykins | i was going to run a smoothwall box again at my main clients, with 3 x interfaces so that i could keep the wireless separated as like a guest network | 20:28 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: vlans can do that too | 20:28 |
| daftykins | yeah with a managed switch or capable device | 20:29 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: OpenWRT on a TP-Link router (check if it's supported before buying ;) | 20:29 |
| daftykins | no i'm just saying, this was ages ago | 20:29 |
| MartijnVdS | ah, ok | 20:29 |
| daftykins | the point was i already had the smoothwall box so i just dropped in two more NICs at the time | 20:30 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| daftykins | but now we've got VDSL2+ on the rock and so i've just gone with the ISP supplied routers | 20:30 |
| MartijnVdS | I'm considering getting a proper mini-itx box to handle the pppoe/fibre traffic and put the TP-Link router somewhere else, so wifi coverage in my hosue gets better | 20:30 |
| daftykins | :) | 20:31 |
| mungbean | http://boingboing.net/2013/08/17/cross-a-border-lose-your-eboo.html | 20:31 |
| daftykins | will you not be tempted to get something 802.11ac soon enough? | 20:31 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: yeah, the TP-Link Archer looks nice, but I don't want to compile openwrt-trunk to get support for its wifi chip ;) | 20:31 |
| MartijnVdS | ..yet | 20:32 |
| penguin42 | hmm they do a version of that board with 12v DC input - that's almost tempting | 20:32 |
| MartijnVdS | wha? | 20:32 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: Instead of normal ITX psu | 20:32 |
| daftykins | how would you run that? like an AC adapter - or from an existing PC? | 20:33 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: anything supplying 12V with a big enough fuse ;) | 20:33 |
| penguin42 | from an AC adapter, but it means you can do fun things like battery backup easily or maybe even solar charging | 20:33 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: stop tempting me! ;) | 20:34 |
| penguin42 | probably less likely to be useful on cable than DSL on the basis the street cabs probably will lose power if our house does | 20:34 |
| mungbean | ok guys i have a quiz question, who wants to try and guess it? | 20:34 |
| * penguin42 raises flipper | 20:34 | |
| mungbean | its related to the internet | 20:35 |
| MartijnVdS | sure | 20:35 |
| mungbean | does anyone remember... | 20:35 |
| daftykins | D: | 20:35 |
| mungbean | the competitor to ebay in the late 90s | 20:35 |
| daftykins | the suspense is killing me | 20:35 |
| daftykins | omg | 20:35 |
| mungbean | tick | 20:35 |
| mungbean | tock | 20:35 |
| mungbean | tick | 20:35 |
| mungbean | tock | 20:35 |
| penguin42 | they had a competitor? | 20:35 |
| daftykins | before my time i think | 20:35 |
| daftykins | lol +1 penguin42 | 20:35 |
| daftykins | my thoughts exactly | 20:35 |
| mungbean | also in the 00s | 20:35 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: ibazar? | 20:35 |
| mungbean | i bet popey will get it | 20:36 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: that existed in .nl, .fr, .be, .it, .es, .pt, .br and .se :) | 20:36 |
| * penguin42 remembers everyone and their dog tried to do something similar afterwards | 20:36 | |
| mungbean | not the one i'mn thinking of but can't remember the name of :P | 20:36 |
| mungbean | may have had a q in it | 20:36 |
| mungbean | had a weird auction model if i remmeber rightly | 20:37 |
| MartijnVdS | cqout? | 20:37 |
| mungbean | QXL | 20:37 |
| MartijnVdS | quibids? | 20:37 |
| MartijnVdS | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/blog/2008/may/07/sofarewellthenqxlitsbeen | 20:37 |
| mungbean | yep just reading that lol | 20:37 |
| mungbean | QXL floated on the stock exchange, was briefly worth £2bn | 20:38 |
| penguin42 | really - heck | 20:38 |
| mungbean | was sold for 1bn anyway CRAZY | 20:38 |
| daftykins | O_O | 20:40 |
| mungbean | in 1999 ebay and qxl were neck and neck for a bit in UK | 20:40 |
| daftykins | i saw ebay was offering for me to LINK my paypal account the other day | 20:40 |
| daftykins | at long last! two logins was silly | 20:40 |
| mungbean | i'm gonna end up clicking that by accident | 20:40 |
| penguin42 | kind of makes sense for me on the basis that it's pretty much the only time I use paypal | 20:42 |
| daftykins | penguin42: same here | 20:43 |
| mungbean | probably need to double the length of my password just in case | 20:43 |
| mungbean | to 20 chars | 20:43 |
| mungbean | or 25 | 20:43 |
| daftykins | hehe | 20:43 |
| mungbean | gonna be even bigger target | 20:44 |
| daftykins | i'm such a big spender | 20:44 |
| mungbean | although your email account is the holy grail i suppose | 20:44 |
| daftykins | just bought a £3.50 acer laptop DC jack on ebay yesterday to hopefully revive a laptop | 20:44 |
| mungbean | i bought a 1/4 - 1/8 reducing adaptor for airbrush £1.99 | 20:45 |
| mungbean | free postage | 20:45 |
| daftykins | :D | 20:45 |
| daftykins | aww you beat me | 20:45 |
| mungbean | because i can't spare 30 mins to drive to machine mart and find they don't have one | 20:45 |
| mungbean | excuse the ropey picture quality, i just finished my latest model | 20:48 |
| mungbean | http://i.imgur.com/1nWDPAv.jpg | 20:48 |
| mungbean | masking tape and elastic band staying on overnight just in case | 20:49 |
| daftykins | :D | 20:49 |
| daftykins | hand painted? | 20:49 |
| mungbean | yes | 20:49 |
| daftykins | wowzer | 20:49 |
| daftykins | looks impressive | 20:49 |
| mungbean | ta, it will look nicer with proper camera | 20:50 |
| daftykins | *nod* | 20:50 |
| penguin42 | nice | 20:50 |
| daftykins | i never had the patience when i got an airfix or two as a kid | 20:50 |
| mungbean | its this kit, http://www.vintage-airfix.com/images/51101.jpg | 20:50 |
| mungbean | wifey got it for quid or two in the chraity shop, makes a change from the WWII planes | 20:51 |
| daftykins | :O | 20:51 |
| daftykins | hehe | 20:51 |
| penguin42 | not very vintage :-) | 20:51 |
| daftykins | ^ | 20:51 |
| mungbean | although i made this one too a few years back: http://i.imgur.com/ZAKLGs8.jpg | 20:52 |
| penguin42 | nice | 20:52 |
| mungbean | got some vauxhall opel car spray from halfords for that paint job | 20:53 |
| mungbean | its such an enjoyable antidote to computers | 20:54 |
| daftykins | sounds it | 20:55 |
| mungbean | guardian still reporting on http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/aug/16/smartphone-fundraising-ubuntu-10m-dollars | 20:59 |
| mungbean | not sure if on the dread tree thing too | 20:59 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: I think most LUG's are probably lacking women/girls. Linux etc is mainly a male interest unfortunatly. | 21:26 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: and by a long way as well | 21:26 |
| penguin42 | yes unfortunately true | 22:21 |
| === Hornet- is now known as Hornet | ||
| sebsebseb | penguin42: yeah can be annoying at times that actsually in certian situtaiotns in general, but well I blame society etc | 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | and I mean computing in gneral here | 22:52 |
| penguin42 | nod | 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: however not thinking about stuff like that much today | 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | just glad SKy is getitng more competition | 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | and Virgin getting those channels no problem to :) | 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | BT Sport | 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | I mean that SKy is getting proper competition starting to :) | 23:00 |
| * penguin42 guesses sebsebseb is talking about some sport thing | 23:09 | |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: yep | 23:10 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: I don't watch much Sport on TV, but yeah | 23:10 |
| penguin42 | no I don't do any sport watching either (well maybe Snooker occasionally) | 23:11 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: yep football occasioanly for me and that's about it really | 23:24 |
| sebsebseb | ,but this is interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESPN_%28UK%29 :) | 23:24 |
| penguin42 | interesting why? | 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: ESPN being bought out by BT Sport, and Virgin losing it for two weeks when thath appended, access to those channels, and things like that | 23:31 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: I remember when Virgin/Telewest didn't have Sky 1 a few years ago, because they coudn't make a deal with Sky at the time and they got aill silly | 23:32 |
| sebsebseb | companies aye hmm | 23:32 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: Sky got silly above that is | 23:32 |
| sebsebseb | channels are generaly worth millions | 23:32 |
| sebsebseb | and maybe more sometimes, and these companies only really care about money really | 23:32 |
| penguin42 | yeh I guess that's teh thing with selling individual access to slots rather than just selling bitstreams | 23:32 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: no I mean channels generaly get sold | 23:33 |
| sebsebseb | and then also the content gets sold to channels | 23:33 |
| sebsebseb | ,be it general channels, Sport, movies etc | 23:33 |
| sebsebseb | ok maybe not so much BBC or ITV, but I mean the paid channels | 23:33 |
| penguin42 | sebsebseb: Yeh I mean the problem is the whole concept of channels - which you then have to sell as a chunk | 23:34 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: back computer issues | 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: with the amount of polotics etc that can be invovled when it comes to channels, amazing their are so many really in this country etc | 23:44 |
| penguin42 | well most of them are pretty awful | 23:44 |
| sebsebseb | money and polotics as well to an extent, that's what it's about when it comes to that | 23:44 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: yeah most of them are pretty awful BBC 1 for example | 23:45 |
| sebsebseb | and ITV | 23:45 |
| sebsebseb | and channel 4 and channel 5 | 23:45 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: your probably going to disagree with me here though :d | 23:45 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I don't like most British TV shows, with the exceptions of documenteries | 23:45 |
| sebsebseb | and some movies here and there | 23:45 |
| sebsebseb | and watch TV for news to here and there | 23:45 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: more American TV shows person, which means watching channels such as Sky One | 23:45 |
| sebsebseb | since they usually have the kind of shows I want to watch | 23:46 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: now then what did you mean by awful though when it comes to that? | 23:46 |
| penguin42 | just stuff I don't want to watch, and things like advertising channels and ones that only show really really crap films | 23:46 |
| sebsebseb | true thre are shoping channels | 23:47 |
| sebsebseb | and some channels that turning into gambling channels late in the night and such, in fact ITV or whatever is doing that now | 23:47 |
| sebsebseb | channel 4 one of htem | 23:47 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: then get the old TV channels to | 23:47 |
| sebsebseb | I don't mean Film FOur when I say that, however they do show a lot of old films to | 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | ,but also some better newer ones | 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | depends | 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | sometimes some forigin movies etc :) | 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: might watch this Australlian one later on tonight depends | 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | that was on there the other night | 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | whenever it was | 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: what don't you want to watch? | 23:48 |
| penguin42 | sebsebseb: soap operas, dramas, sports, most comedy | 23:49 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: wehn you say bad fioms, do you mean low budget films or? some low budge films are quite good :) | 23:49 |
| penguin42 | sebsebseb: Oh some low budget is good | 23:50 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: ok so you don't want to see Eastenders and uhmm Downton Abbey and uhmmm Britains got talent, and X Factor and things like that? | 23:50 |
| penguin42 | sebsebseb: there seem to be ones though that only show films that are really bad plot | 23:50 |
| sebsebseb | which channels do you have in mind for that one? | 23:50 |
| sebsebseb | bad plots | 23:51 |
| penguin42 | I was thinking of Moves for Men | 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | uh there's a channel fo rhat? | 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | don't have that one if so | 23:52 |
| penguin42 | http://www.movies4men.co.uk/programs | 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: uhmm you got Sky? | 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | or what? | 23:52 |
| penguin42 | maybe 1 in 10 of the films you've heard of | 23:53 |
| sebsebseb | if so you get more channels than most | 23:53 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: as far as I know Sky has loads of well Sky cusotmers only channels, that the rest of us hardly know anything about, except for big ones such as Sky Atlantic | 23:53 |
| penguin42 | sebsebseb: I only get Freeview here - so just free stuff | 23:53 |
| * penguin42 is too mean to buy other channels | 23:54 | |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: what's a bit strange though | 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | sometims what actsauly happens is this | 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | Freeview get some channels, but well nope they aren't on Virgin Media which people are actsualy paying for hmm | 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: maybe happens more than I think for that one actsualy | 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | you would of though a paid TV service, would have all the free channels, plus more, but nope it seems | 23:55 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: site for that one nothing about Virgin | 23:55 |
| penguin42 | that's normally mostly the case although I seem to remember there used to be a few cases where some were missing | 23:55 |
| sebsebseb | so your channel not on Virgin | 23:55 |
| sebsebseb | doesn't even mention Virgin | 23:55 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: CBS Action, CBS drama I think, but others missing | 23:56 |
| sebsebseb | weird sin't it | 23:56 |
| penguin42 | sebsebseb: but in the UK since most (but not all) people can get virgin it's not a big problem | 23:56 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: my piont is Virgin should get all the channels freeview and free sat has, plus more really | 23:56 |
| sebsebseb | where as Sky tends to have it all or pretty much | 23:56 |
| penguin42 | sebsebseb: I think there's a small difference between freesat and freeview as well | 23:56 |
| sebsebseb | or it has it all really, ok so peole have to get BT Sport Seperalty as in pay a subscriotn to BT for it if on SKy, but the channels i otherwise waiitng for that on SKy | 23:57 |
| sebsebseb | yes free sat has some more or whatever it is | 23:57 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: really in a way we need more community run channels :d think like open source, but for channels, sadly things aren't so simple for that one | 23:58 |
| sebsebseb | and I mean with good shows to :d | 23:58 |
| sebsebseb | reallly in a way we need more shows made for fun etc, and movies, there are a few examples out there, but I mean like Creative Commons music :d | 23:58 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: channels, and TV shows and films, it's all very commerical, that's a big issue with it right there realy | 23:59 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: in fact as a result of that, they somteims axe reasaobnly good Sci Fi shows in America for example | 23:59 |
| sebsebseb | and instead make more of stuff that is cheaper to make | 23:59 |
| penguin42 | yeh not sure where the bulk of the cost goes these days | 23:59 |
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