=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:16] Good morning peeps :) [09:17] good morning everyone. [09:19] \o [09:20] morning bigcalm and MartijnVdS [09:20] Spa next week \o/ [09:20] s/^/F1 @/ [09:21] this is sad, i have been ssh'bombed by 76.72.167.2 for the last two days. someone doesnt have anything better to do. [09:21] brobostigon: do you have fail2ban installed? [09:22] yes. [09:22] so they can't actually do anything. Yay :) [09:22] was one of the first things i installed. [09:22] :) [09:22] you can also set up private/public key authentication and disable password auth completely [09:22] Having SSHd run on a port other than 22 is also a good start :) [09:22] definatly bigcalm [09:23] MartijnVdS: i shall have to research how to import those keys into things like connectbot. [09:23] brobostigon: that's possible, I have a key in my connectbot as well [09:23] I even have one on my chromebook! [09:23] MartijnVdS: cool, could work then. :) [09:24] wicked. [09:25] brobostigon: putty supports keys, and even an agent (with pageant) [09:26] putty, isnt that for MS windows? [09:26] brobostigon: (agent is useful if you don't want to re-type the key passphrase every time you ssh, also if you "chain-ssh" from one host to the next [09:26] brobostigon: it is, but there's also an X version -- apt-get install putty [09:26] http://mah.everybody.org/docs/ssh [09:27] ah, i did not know that. [09:28] pip pip [09:28] \o popeyman [09:30] morning your popey'ness [09:31] El Poperino? [09:32] :) [09:37] * popey recently discovered the joy that is bacon cooked in the microwave [09:37] popey: but.. isn't that.. eww? [09:37] nope [09:37] two sheets of kitchen roll, lay the bacon on top, one extra sheet of kitchen roll on top [09:37] 3 mins, done [09:37] does it not make a mess on the inside of the microwelle ? [09:37] nope [09:38] thanks to the top layer [09:38] ah. [09:38] sorry, microwelle, german. woops. [09:38] also, a better technique for poached eggs. bring water to boil, roll the eggs (in shells) in the water for ~10 seconds or so, then take them out and crack them in [09:38] makes the white a tiny bit solid so it doesn't separate out [09:39] i used to poach eggs that way if they're not fresh [09:39] but then i got some poach pods [09:39] http://www.lakeland.co.uk/12116/Green-poachpod [09:40] brobostigon: DER MIKROWELLENOFEN [09:40] i have some of them [09:40] but rarely use them [09:40] easier to just crack into water [09:40] MartijnVdS: yep, that thing, :) [09:41] also, the plate the bacon cooked on becomes hot, which is good for keeping the poached eggs warm [09:41] just need to wipe the moisture off with the kitchen towel you just used to cook the bacon [09:41] this is where living in germany for almost ten years as a child and teenger blocks the mind. [09:43] I want to try cooking an egg in my oven some time [09:43] Takes 30m instead of 8-10-ish [09:46] \o/ crispy bacon [09:47] i had a pizza in cannes once which had an egg in the middle [09:47] was one the best best pizzas ever [09:47] Cannes or cans? [09:47] heh [09:47] cannes [09:48] I've had a pizza with egg as well, it was good. But this is more like a "boiled" egg, but instead of boiling it in water, you do the heat transfer using air in an oven. [09:48] \o/ Cooking for Geeks [09:48] how odd [09:48] my local curry house does a "special" which is a chicken & "meat" curry which also has a boiled egg in it [09:48] its really nice [09:48] they score the egg so the curry flavour penetrates it [09:49] stop making me hungry :P [09:58] heh [10:07] I have an egg boiling machine [10:08] kind of cooks them in bubbles of superheated steam [10:08] and a poaching pan which I rarely use, never tried "real" poaching of naked eggs in water [10:10] wat! [10:10] its the best way [10:29] whut! [10:29] I would have let you just have it popey :) [10:29] hahah [10:30] ☹ [10:30] tricky given it's on ebay and people had already bid for it [10:31] yeah, well good luck :) [11:12] * penguin42 has ordered his virgin [11:14] ʘ‿ಠ [11:15] AlanBell: well if I don't get it, at least I pushed the price up a bit ☻ [11:35] Good afternoon peeps :) [11:38] Instant boredom. Getting dangerously close to doing some work [11:38] Wish I could play Fez in Linux [11:45] bigcalm: its coming i hear [11:45] \o/ [11:45] bigcalm: fancy some minecraft? [11:45] I'm close to completing it on Windows [11:45] popey: sure [11:46] where? mine is down [11:46] Snowflake? You can laugh at the parp I've been building [11:46] yay [11:56] fez is a monogame game, so the porting is taking far too long imho [11:56] i.e. the windows version is monogame, not xna [11:57] looks like a cool game [11:58] indie game: the movie covers its creation. also braid and super meat boy [11:58] but if it is monogame why can't we just play the windows version directly? [11:58] "windows" version [11:58] monogame is api-compatible across platforms, but not abi compatible [12:00] i thought the whole point of managed code was that you never have to worry about ABI compatibility [12:01] yeah, well... the upstream monogame developers have a somewhat haphazard approach to such things [12:56] If I can't play Fez in Linux, I can at least enjoy the music: http://disasterpeace.com/album/fez [13:12] Love it when a torrent says 86 days remaining [13:29] I really wanted to play it [13:30] it was a bit nauseating though [13:57] Tempted to take my machine down stairs and hook it up to the TV [14:21] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/08/first-look-at-brackets-for-linux [14:58] Not been in here for a while. [15:00] anyone about in here at the moment? [15:23] somewhat [16:54] * penguin42 has been out at a LUG [16:58] a fairly fun activity of looking through each others (sanitied) .bash_history files - interesting way to learn some new commands and options === zleap is now known as helpdesk === helpdesk is now known as zleap === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [19:48] penguin42: LUG's are fun generally yeah :) [19:58] sebsebseb: Yeh I've been going to ManLUG for many many years [19:59] what do you do at a ManLUG? Manly things? [20:03] MartijnVdS: It's got to be said we are a little short of Women [20:03] MartijnVdS: It's ManLUG as in Manchester (UK) [20:04] Ah :) [20:04] * MartijnVdS just watched a stream of CHVRCHES playing at Lowlands Festival [20:04] Album. Want. Now. :) [20:05] (https://soundcloud.com/chvrches/the-mother-we-share https://soundcloud.com/chvrches/lies-mix-5-m for a few of their songs) [20:07] what's the current flash player version people are using? [20:07] I use the one built into chrome [20:07] a bit surprised my HTPC just updated and put 11.2.202.297 on O_O [20:07] 11.8.800.115 [20:08] yeah i was sure we were up to .8 [20:08] flashplugin-installer: downloading http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_11.2.202.297.orig.tar.gz [20:08] 11.2.202.297 apparently [20:08] 0o [20:08] ah-har not just me then ;) [20:08] daftykins: Hmph - is this a different series or just old? [20:08] yes [20:09] the system is my HTPC which i believe might be built on 12.04 [20:09] waiting for the upgrade to finish to check [20:10] though it might be a modified lsb-release :D [20:10] so what would people suggest as a new PC to use as NAT box/firewall/mini-server - I want 4 ethers, not much money and low power [20:11] cor 4 interfaces [20:11] i thought you had lots of old systems spare kicking around, penguin42 ? :) [20:11] ah no it's built in 12.10 [20:11] daftykins: I do, and I'm currently running a P90 for this job - but I don't think it'll manage the 30Mbps cable I have on order, and I want something quieter [20:12] ah-har :) [20:12] daftykins: The P90 has been doing it for a long time (it's 19 years old!) [20:12] \o/ [20:12] was my 1st Linux box along time ago [20:13] to get so many interfaces would you aim for a multi-port intel card? [20:13] daftykins: Maybe but they used to be cheap but they now cost 100+ which is just silly [20:13] TP-Link WDR4300 with OpenWRT :) [20:14] Maybe the 4900 but that's less stable, or so I heard [20:14] penguin42: ^ [20:15] MartijnVdS: Those things tend not to have 4 real separate interfaces seen by the cpu [20:15] penguin42: they do, if you configure them like that [20:15] penguin42: (by assigning a vlan to each port) [20:15] but yeah, you share the gbit [20:15] nod [20:15] * penguin42 never really likes vlan stuff - but perhaps I should [20:16] sounds like a good plan imo [20:16] if the hardware's got enough oomph to push good speeds routing wise [20:16] I saturate my 100/100 link [20:16] (to the interweb) [20:16] wish i had nice upstream :( [20:16] that's cool [20:16] nice and low power too with an appliance i guess [20:17] finding an ARM board with multiple interfaces is annoyingly hard [20:17] daftykins: It's fibre.. all I have are a gigabit media converter and a router :) [20:17] yeah i'm calling the router an appliance in this case [20:17] versus a full computer [20:18] penguin42: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-CPU-D61407-B-INTEL1000-Quad-Port-Gigabit-Ethernet-PCI-E-Adapter-Card-/281148107696 [20:18] MartijnVdS: Yeh exactly, $120 [20:18] http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Quad-Port-Gigabit-Network-Adapter-Intel-Pro-1000-MT-Nic/111144550835 [20:18] PCI-X though [20:19] yeh so the PCIe ones are really expensive for some odd reason; but PCI-x isn't too bad an idea, perhaps an older ITX board [20:19] in principal a dual card will probably do based on the motherboard having a couple if I find a good ones [20:19] PCI-X isn't really current anymore though, is it? [20:19] penguin42: I know of one 2-port motherboard [20:19] no, but a lot of stuff still has some PCI-x slots [20:20] Gigabyte GA-C847N + LC-Power LC-1320mi [20:20] penguin42: ^ those 2 + a low-profile PCI-e 2-port card should work [20:21] oh wait [20:21] "standard" PCI [20:21] PCI-X is ancient :D [20:22] MartijnVdS: Hmm they're not bad price - #69 for that board [20:23] penguin42: yeah but it has normal pci only [20:23] MartijnVdS: Yeh but finding a dual port pci card can't be that hard [20:23] is's all -e or -x [20:24] probably because 33MHz PCI + 2GBit = cloud of magic smoke [20:25] you can get a lot of 100mbit dual-port PCI cards though [20:25] http://www.mini-itx.com/store/~JNF9D-2550 hmm [20:26] 3x Gigabit LAN Daughterboard Module (Intel 82541PI chipset) [20:26] whoa [20:26] yeh exactly [20:26] sounds like a winner to me :) === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [20:26] evening [20:27] MartijnVdS: Nod [20:28] that looks great [20:28] i was going to run a smoothwall box again at my main clients, with 3 x interfaces so that i could keep the wireless separated as like a guest network [20:28] daftykins: vlans can do that too [20:29] yeah with a managed switch or capable device [20:29] daftykins: OpenWRT on a TP-Link router (check if it's supported before buying ;) [20:29] no i'm just saying, this was ages ago [20:29] ah, ok [20:30] the point was i already had the smoothwall box so i just dropped in two more NICs at the time === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [20:30] but now we've got VDSL2+ on the rock and so i've just gone with the ISP supplied routers [20:30] I'm considering getting a proper mini-itx box to handle the pppoe/fibre traffic and put the TP-Link router somewhere else, so wifi coverage in my hosue gets better [20:31] :) [20:31] http://boingboing.net/2013/08/17/cross-a-border-lose-your-eboo.html [20:31] will you not be tempted to get something 802.11ac soon enough? [20:31] daftykins: yeah, the TP-Link Archer looks nice, but I don't want to compile openwrt-trunk to get support for its wifi chip ;) [20:32] ..yet [20:32] hmm they do a version of that board with 12v DC input - that's almost tempting [20:32] wha? [20:32] MartijnVdS: Instead of normal ITX psu [20:33] how would you run that? like an AC adapter - or from an existing PC? [20:33] daftykins: anything supplying 12V with a big enough fuse ;) [20:33] from an AC adapter, but it means you can do fun things like battery backup easily or maybe even solar charging [20:34] penguin42: stop tempting me! ;) [20:34] probably less likely to be useful on cable than DSL on the basis the street cabs probably will lose power if our house does [20:34] ok guys i have a quiz question, who wants to try and guess it? [20:34] * penguin42 raises flipper [20:35] its related to the internet [20:35] sure [20:35] does anyone remember... [20:35] D: [20:35] the competitor to ebay in the late 90s [20:35] the suspense is killing me [20:35] omg [20:35] tick [20:35] tock [20:35] tick [20:35] tock [20:35] they had a competitor? [20:35] before my time i think [20:35] lol +1 penguin42 [20:35] my thoughts exactly [20:35] also in the 00s [20:35] mungbean: ibazar? [20:36] i bet popey will get it [20:36] mungbean: that existed in .nl, .fr, .be, .it, .es, .pt, .br and .se :) [20:36] * penguin42 remembers everyone and their dog tried to do something similar afterwards [20:36] not the one i'mn thinking of but can't remember the name of :P [20:36] may have had a q in it [20:37] had a weird auction model if i remmeber rightly [20:37] cqout? [20:37] QXL [20:37] quibids? [20:37] http://www.theguardian.com/technology/blog/2008/may/07/sofarewellthenqxlitsbeen [20:37] yep just reading that lol [20:38] QXL floated on the stock exchange, was briefly worth £2bn [20:38] really - heck [20:38] was sold for 1bn anyway CRAZY [20:40] O_O [20:40] in 1999 ebay and qxl were neck and neck for a bit in UK [20:40] i saw ebay was offering for me to LINK my paypal account the other day [20:40] at long last! two logins was silly [20:40] i'm gonna end up clicking that by accident [20:42] kind of makes sense for me on the basis that it's pretty much the only time I use paypal [20:43] penguin42: same here [20:43] probably need to double the length of my password just in case [20:43] to 20 chars [20:43] or 25 [20:43] hehe [20:44] gonna be even bigger target [20:44] i'm such a big spender [20:44] although your email account is the holy grail i suppose [20:44] just bought a £3.50 acer laptop DC jack on ebay yesterday to hopefully revive a laptop [20:45] i bought a 1/4 - 1/8 reducing adaptor for airbrush £1.99 [20:45] free postage [20:45] :D [20:45] aww you beat me [20:45] because i can't spare 30 mins to drive to machine mart and find they don't have one [20:48] excuse the ropey picture quality, i just finished my latest model [20:48] http://i.imgur.com/1nWDPAv.jpg [20:49] masking tape and elastic band staying on overnight just in case [20:49] :D [20:49] hand painted? [20:49] yes [20:49] wowzer [20:49] looks impressive [20:50] ta, it will look nicer with proper camera [20:50] *nod* [20:50] nice [20:50] i never had the patience when i got an airfix or two as a kid [20:50] its this kit, http://www.vintage-airfix.com/images/51101.jpg [20:51] wifey got it for quid or two in the chraity shop, makes a change from the WWII planes [20:51] :O [20:51] hehe [20:51] not very vintage :-) [20:51] ^ [20:52] although i made this one too a few years back: http://i.imgur.com/ZAKLGs8.jpg [20:52] nice [20:53] got some vauxhall opel car spray from halfords for that paint job [20:54] its such an enjoyable antidote to computers [20:55] sounds it [20:59] guardian still reporting on http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/aug/16/smartphone-fundraising-ubuntu-10m-dollars [20:59] not sure if on the dread tree thing too [21:26] penguin42: I think most LUG's are probably lacking women/girls. Linux etc is mainly a male interest unfortunatly. [21:26] penguin42: and by a long way as well [22:21] yes unfortunately true === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [22:52] penguin42: yeah can be annoying at times that actsually in certian situtaiotns in general, but well I blame society etc [22:52] and I mean computing in gneral here [22:53] nod [22:59] penguin42: however not thinking about stuff like that much today [22:59] just glad SKy is getitng more competition [22:59] and Virgin getting those channels no problem to :) [22:59] BT Sport [23:00] I mean that SKy is getting proper competition starting to :) [23:09] * penguin42 guesses sebsebseb is talking about some sport thing [23:10] penguin42: yep [23:10] penguin42: I don't watch much Sport on TV, but yeah [23:11] no I don't do any sport watching either (well maybe Snooker occasionally) [23:24] penguin42: yep football occasioanly for me and that's about it really [23:24] ,but this is interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESPN_%28UK%29 :) [23:25] interesting why? [23:31] penguin42: ESPN being bought out by BT Sport, and Virgin losing it for two weeks when thath appended, access to those channels, and things like that [23:32] penguin42: I remember when Virgin/Telewest didn't have Sky 1 a few years ago, because they coudn't make a deal with Sky at the time and they got aill silly [23:32] companies aye hmm [23:32] penguin42: Sky got silly above that is [23:32] channels are generaly worth millions [23:32] and maybe more sometimes, and these companies only really care about money really [23:32] yeh I guess that's teh thing with selling individual access to slots rather than just selling bitstreams [23:33] penguin42: no I mean channels generaly get sold [23:33] and then also the content gets sold to channels [23:33] ,be it general channels, Sport, movies etc [23:33] ok maybe not so much BBC or ITV, but I mean the paid channels [23:34] sebsebseb: Yeh I mean the problem is the whole concept of channels - which you then have to sell as a chunk [23:43] penguin42: back computer issues [23:44] penguin42: with the amount of polotics etc that can be invovled when it comes to channels, amazing their are so many really in this country etc [23:44] well most of them are pretty awful [23:44] money and polotics as well to an extent, that's what it's about when it comes to that [23:45] penguin42: yeah most of them are pretty awful BBC 1 for example [23:45] and ITV [23:45] and channel 4 and channel 5 [23:45] penguin42: your probably going to disagree with me here though :d [23:45] ,but I don't like most British TV shows, with the exceptions of documenteries [23:45] and some movies here and there [23:45] and watch TV for news to here and there [23:45] penguin42: more American TV shows person, which means watching channels such as Sky One [23:46] since they usually have the kind of shows I want to watch [23:46] penguin42: now then what did you mean by awful though when it comes to that? [23:46] just stuff I don't want to watch, and things like advertising channels and ones that only show really really crap films [23:47] true thre are shoping channels [23:47] and some channels that turning into gambling channels late in the night and such, in fact ITV or whatever is doing that now [23:47] channel 4 one of htem [23:47] penguin42: then get the old TV channels to [23:48] I don't mean Film FOur when I say that, however they do show a lot of old films to [23:48] ,but also some better newer ones [23:48] depends [23:48] sometimes some forigin movies etc :) [23:48] penguin42: might watch this Australlian one later on tonight depends [23:48] that was on there the other night [23:48] whenever it was [23:48] penguin42: what don't you want to watch? [23:49] sebsebseb: soap operas, dramas, sports, most comedy [23:49] penguin42: wehn you say bad fioms, do you mean low budget films or? some low budge films are quite good :) [23:50] sebsebseb: Oh some low budget is good [23:50] penguin42: ok so you don't want to see Eastenders and uhmm Downton Abbey and uhmmm Britains got talent, and X Factor and things like that? [23:50] sebsebseb: there seem to be ones though that only show films that are really bad plot [23:50] which channels do you have in mind for that one? [23:51] bad plots [23:52] I was thinking of Moves for Men [23:52] uh there's a channel fo rhat? [23:52] don't have that one if so [23:52] http://www.movies4men.co.uk/programs [23:52] penguin42: uhmm you got Sky? [23:52] or what? [23:53] maybe 1 in 10 of the films you've heard of [23:53] if so you get more channels than most [23:53] penguin42: as far as I know Sky has loads of well Sky cusotmers only channels, that the rest of us hardly know anything about, except for big ones such as Sky Atlantic [23:53] sebsebseb: I only get Freeview here - so just free stuff [23:54] * penguin42 is too mean to buy other channels [23:54] penguin42: what's a bit strange though [23:54] sometims what actsauly happens is this [23:54] Freeview get some channels, but well nope they aren't on Virgin Media which people are actsualy paying for hmm [23:54] penguin42: maybe happens more than I think for that one actsualy [23:55] you would of though a paid TV service, would have all the free channels, plus more, but nope it seems [23:55] penguin42: site for that one nothing about Virgin [23:55] that's normally mostly the case although I seem to remember there used to be a few cases where some were missing [23:55] so your channel not on Virgin [23:55] doesn't even mention Virgin [23:56] penguin42: CBS Action, CBS drama I think, but others missing [23:56] weird sin't it [23:56] sebsebseb: but in the UK since most (but not all) people can get virgin it's not a big problem [23:56] penguin42: my piont is Virgin should get all the channels freeview and free sat has, plus more really [23:56] where as Sky tends to have it all or pretty much [23:56] sebsebseb: I think there's a small difference between freesat and freeview as well [23:57] or it has it all really, ok so peole have to get BT Sport Seperalty as in pay a subscriotn to BT for it if on SKy, but the channels i otherwise waiitng for that on SKy [23:57] yes free sat has some more or whatever it is [23:58] penguin42: really in a way we need more community run channels :d think like open source, but for channels, sadly things aren't so simple for that one [23:58] and I mean with good shows to :d [23:58] reallly in a way we need more shows made for fun etc, and movies, there are a few examples out there, but I mean like Creative Commons music :d [23:59] penguin42: channels, and TV shows and films, it's all very commerical, that's a big issue with it right there realy [23:59] penguin42: in fact as a result of that, they somteims axe reasaobnly good Sci Fi shows in America for example [23:59] and instead make more of stuff that is cheaper to make [23:59] yeh not sure where the bulk of the cost goes these days