[09:16] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:17] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:19] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:20] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm and MartijnVdS
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> Spa next week \o/
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> s/^/F1 @/
[09:21] <brobostigon> this is sad, i have been ssh'bombed by 76.72.167.2 for the last two days. someone doesnt have anything better to do.
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: do you have fail2ban installed?
[09:22] <brobostigon> yes.
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> so they can't actually do anything. Yay :)
[09:22] <brobostigon> was one of the first things i installed.
[09:22] <brobostigon> :)
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> you can also set up private/public key authentication and disable password auth completely
[09:22] <bigcalm> Having SSHd run on a port other than 22 is also a good start :)
[09:22] <brobostigon> definatly bigcalm
[09:23] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i shall have to research how to import those keys into things like connectbot.
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: that's possible, I have a key in my connectbot as well
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> I even have one on my chromebook!
[09:23] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: cool, could work then. :)
[09:24] <brobostigon> wicked.
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: putty supports keys, and even an agent (with pageant)
[09:26] <brobostigon> putty, isnt that for MS windows?
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: (agent is useful if you don't want to re-type the key passphrase every time you ssh, also if you "chain-ssh" from one host to the next
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it is, but there's also an X version -- apt-get install putty
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> http://mah.everybody.org/docs/ssh
[09:27] <brobostigon> ah, i did not know that.
[09:28] <popey> pip pip
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> \o popeyman
[09:30] <brobostigon> morning your popey'ness
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> El Poperino?
[09:32] <brobostigon> :)
[09:37]  * popey recently discovered the joy that is bacon cooked in the microwave
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> popey: but.. isn't that.. eww?
[09:37] <popey> nope
[09:37] <popey> two sheets of kitchen roll, lay the bacon on top, one extra sheet of kitchen roll on top
[09:37] <popey> 3 mins, done
[09:37] <brobostigon> does it not make a mess on the inside of the microwelle ?
[09:37] <popey> nope
[09:38] <popey> thanks to the top layer
[09:38] <brobostigon> ah.
[09:38] <brobostigon> sorry, microwelle, german. woops.
[09:38] <popey> also, a better technique for poached eggs. bring water to boil, roll the eggs (in shells) in the water for ~10 seconds or so, then take them out and crack them in
[09:38] <popey> makes the white a tiny bit solid so it doesn't separate out
[09:39] <ali1234> i used to poach eggs that way if they're not fresh
[09:39] <ali1234> but then i got some poach pods
[09:39] <ali1234> http://www.lakeland.co.uk/12116/Green-poachpod
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: DER MIKROWELLENOFEN
[09:40] <popey> i have some of them
[09:40] <popey> but rarely use them
[09:40] <popey> easier to just crack into water
[09:40] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yep, that thing, :)
[09:41] <popey> also, the plate the bacon cooked on becomes hot, which is good for keeping the poached eggs warm
[09:41] <popey> just need to wipe the moisture off with the kitchen towel you just used to cook the bacon
[09:41] <brobostigon> this is where living in germany for almost ten years as a child and teenger blocks the mind.
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> I want to try cooking an egg in my oven some time
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> Takes 30m instead of 8-10-ish
[09:46] <popey> \o/ crispy bacon
[09:47] <popey> i had a pizza in cannes once which had an egg in the middle
[09:47] <popey> was one the best best pizzas ever
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> Cannes or cans?
[09:47] <popey> heh
[09:47] <popey> cannes
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> I've had a pizza with egg as well, it was good. But this is more like a "boiled" egg, but instead of boiling it in water, you do the heat transfer using air in an oven.
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> \o/ Cooking for Geeks
[09:48] <popey> how odd
[09:48] <popey> my local curry house does a "special" which is a chicken & "meat" curry which also has a boiled egg in it
[09:48] <popey> its really nice
[09:48] <popey> they score the egg so the curry flavour penetrates it
[09:49] <MartijnVdS> stop making me hungry :P
[09:58] <popey> heh
[10:07] <AlanBell> I have an egg boiling machine
[10:08] <AlanBell> kind of cooks them in bubbles of superheated steam
[10:08] <AlanBell> and a poaching pan which I rarely use, never tried "real" poaching of naked eggs in water
[10:10] <popey> wat!
[10:10] <popey> its the best way
[10:29] <AlanBell> whut!
[10:29] <AlanBell> I would have let you just have it popey :)
[10:29] <popey> hahah
[10:30] <popey> ☹
[10:30] <popey> tricky given it's on ebay and people had already bid for it
[10:31] <AlanBell> yeah, well good luck :)
[11:12]  * penguin42 has ordered his virgin
[11:14] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[11:15] <popey> AlanBell: well if I don't get it, at least I pushed the price up a bit ☻
[11:35] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[11:38] <bigcalm> Instant boredom. Getting dangerously close to doing some work
[11:38] <bigcalm> Wish I could play Fez in Linux
[11:45] <popey> bigcalm: its coming i hear
[11:45] <bigcalm> \o/
[11:45] <popey> bigcalm: fancy some minecraft?
[11:45] <bigcalm> I'm close to completing it on Windows
[11:45] <bigcalm> popey: sure
[11:46] <popey> where? mine is down
[11:46] <bigcalm> Snowflake? You can laugh at the parp I've been building
[11:46] <popey> yay
[11:56] <directhex> fez is a monogame game, so the porting is taking far too long imho
[11:56] <directhex> i.e. the windows version is monogame, not xna
[11:57] <ali1234> looks like a cool game
[11:58] <directhex> indie game: the movie covers its creation. also braid and super meat boy
[11:58] <ali1234> but if it is monogame why can't we just play the windows version directly?
[11:58] <ali1234> "windows" version
[11:58] <directhex> monogame is api-compatible across platforms, but not abi compatible
[12:00] <ali1234> i thought the whole point of managed code was that you never have to worry about ABI compatibility
[12:01] <directhex> yeah, well... the upstream monogame developers have a somewhat haphazard approach to such things
[12:56] <bigcalm> If I can't play Fez in Linux, I can at least enjoy the music: http://disasterpeace.com/album/fez
[13:12] <bigcalm> Love it when a torrent says 86 days remaining
[13:29] <Myrtti> I really wanted to play it
[13:30] <Myrtti> it was a bit nauseating though
[13:57] <bigcalm> Tempted to take my machine down stairs and hook it up to the TV
[14:21] <linuxliam> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/08/first-look-at-brackets-for-linux
[14:58] <sebsebseb> Not been in here for a while.
[15:00] <sebsebseb> anyone about in here at the moment?
[15:23] <Myrtti> somewhat
[16:54]  * penguin42 has been out at a LUG
[16:58] <penguin42> a fairly fun activity of looking through each others (sanitied) .bash_history files - interesting way to learn some new commands and options
[19:48] <sebsebseb> penguin42: LUG's are fun generally yeah :)
[19:58] <penguin42> sebsebseb: Yeh I've been going to ManLUG for many many years
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> what do you do at a ManLUG? Manly things?
[20:03] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: It's got to be said we are a little short of Women
[20:03] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: It's ManLUG as in Manchester (UK)
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> Ah :)
[20:04]  * MartijnVdS just watched a stream of CHVRCHES playing at Lowlands Festival
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> Album. Want. Now. :)
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> (https://soundcloud.com/chvrches/the-mother-we-share https://soundcloud.com/chvrches/lies-mix-5-m for a few of their songs)
[20:07] <daftykins> what's the current flash player version people are using?
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> I use the one built into chrome
[20:07] <daftykins> a bit surprised my HTPC just updated and put 11.2.202.297 on O_O
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> 11.8.800.115
[20:08] <daftykins> yeah i was sure we were up to .8
[20:08] <daftykins> flashplugin-installer: downloading http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_11.2.202.297.orig.tar.gz
[20:08] <penguin42> 11.2.202.297 apparently
[20:08] <daftykins> 0o
[20:08] <daftykins> ah-har not just me then ;)
[20:08] <penguin42> daftykins: Hmph - is this a  different series or just old?
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> yes
[20:09] <daftykins> the system is my HTPC which i believe might be built on 12.04
[20:09] <daftykins> waiting for the upgrade to finish to check
[20:10] <daftykins> though it might be a modified lsb-release :D
[20:10] <penguin42> so what would people suggest as a new PC to use as NAT box/firewall/mini-server - I want 4 ethers, not much money and low power
[20:11] <daftykins> cor 4 interfaces
[20:11] <daftykins> i thought you had lots of old systems spare kicking around, penguin42 ? :)
[20:11] <daftykins> ah no it's built in 12.10
[20:11] <penguin42> daftykins: I do, and I'm currently running a P90 for this job - but I don't think it'll manage the 30Mbps cable I have on order, and I want something quieter
[20:12] <daftykins> ah-har :)
[20:12] <penguin42> daftykins: The P90 has been doing it for a long time (it's 19 years old!)
[20:12] <daftykins> \o/
[20:12] <penguin42> was my 1st Linux box along time ago
[20:13] <daftykins> to get so many interfaces would you aim for a multi-port intel card?
[20:13] <penguin42> daftykins: Maybe but they used to be cheap but they now cost 100+ which is just silly
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> TP-Link WDR4300 with OpenWRT :)
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> Maybe the 4900 but that's less stable, or so I heard
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: ^
[20:15] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Those things tend not to have 4 real separate interfaces seen by the cpu
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: they do, if you configure them like that
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: (by assigning a vlan to each port)
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> but yeah, you share the gbit
[20:15] <penguin42> nod
[20:15]  * penguin42 never really likes vlan stuff - but perhaps I should
[20:16] <daftykins> sounds like a good plan imo
[20:16] <daftykins> if the hardware's got enough oomph to push good speeds routing wise
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> I saturate my 100/100 link
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> (to the interweb)
[20:16] <daftykins> wish i had nice upstream :(
[20:16] <daftykins> that's cool
[20:16] <daftykins> nice and low power too with an appliance i guess
[20:17] <penguin42> finding an ARM board with multiple interfaces is annoyingly hard
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: It's fibre.. all I have are a gigabit media converter and a router :)
[20:17] <daftykins> yeah i'm calling the router an appliance in this case
[20:17] <daftykins> versus a full computer
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-CPU-D61407-B-INTEL1000-Quad-Port-Gigabit-Ethernet-PCI-E-Adapter-Card-/281148107696
[20:18] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Yeh exactly, $120
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Quad-Port-Gigabit-Network-Adapter-Intel-Pro-1000-MT-Nic/111144550835
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> PCI-X though
[20:19] <penguin42> yeh so the PCIe ones are really expensive for some odd reason; but PCI-x isn't too bad an idea, perhaps an older ITX board
[20:19] <penguin42> in principal a dual card will probably do based on the motherboard having a couple if I find a good ones
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> PCI-X isn't really current anymore though, is it?
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: I know of one 2-port motherboard
[20:19] <penguin42> no, but a lot of stuff still has some PCI-x slots
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> Gigabyte GA-C847N + LC-Power LC-1320mi
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: ^ those 2 + a low-profile PCI-e 2-port card should work
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> oh wait
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> "standard" PCI
[20:21] <daftykins> PCI-X is ancient :D
[20:22] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Hmm they're not bad price - #69 for that board
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: yeah but it has normal pci only
[20:23] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Yeh but finding a dual port pci card can't be that hard
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> is's all -e or -x
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> probably because 33MHz PCI + 2GBit = cloud of magic smoke
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> you can get a lot of 100mbit dual-port PCI cards though
[20:25] <penguin42> http://www.mini-itx.com/store/~JNF9D-2550  hmm
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> 3x Gigabit LAN Daughterboard Module (Intel 82541PI chipset)
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> whoa
[20:26] <penguin42> yeh exactly
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> sounds like a winner to me :)
[20:26] <mungbean> evening
[20:27] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Nod
[20:28] <daftykins> that looks great
[20:28] <daftykins> i was going to run a smoothwall box again at my main clients, with 3 x interfaces so that i could keep the wireless separated as like a guest network
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: vlans can do that too
[20:29] <daftykins> yeah with a managed switch or capable device
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: OpenWRT on a TP-Link router (check if it's supported before buying ;)
[20:29] <daftykins> no i'm just saying, this was ages ago
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> ah, ok
[20:30] <daftykins> the point was i already had the smoothwall box so i just dropped in two more NICs at the time
[20:30] <daftykins> but now we've got VDSL2+ on the rock and so i've just gone with the ISP supplied routers
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> I'm considering getting a proper mini-itx box to handle the pppoe/fibre traffic and put the TP-Link router somewhere else, so wifi coverage in my hosue gets better
[20:31] <daftykins> :)
[20:31] <mungbean> http://boingboing.net/2013/08/17/cross-a-border-lose-your-eboo.html
[20:31] <daftykins> will you not be tempted to get something 802.11ac soon enough?
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: yeah, the TP-Link Archer looks nice, but I don't want to compile openwrt-trunk to get support for its wifi chip ;)
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> ..yet
[20:32] <penguin42> hmm they do a version of that board with 12v DC input - that's almost tempting
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> wha?
[20:32] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Instead of normal ITX psu
[20:33] <daftykins> how would you run that? like an AC adapter - or from an existing PC?
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: anything supplying 12V with a big enough fuse ;)
[20:33] <penguin42> from an AC adapter, but it means you can do fun things like battery backup easily or maybe even solar charging
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: stop tempting me! ;)
[20:34] <penguin42> probably less likely to be useful on cable than DSL on the basis the street cabs probably will lose power if our house does
[20:34] <mungbean> ok guys i have a quiz question, who wants to try and guess it?
[20:34]  * penguin42 raises flipper
[20:35] <mungbean> its related to the internet
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> sure
[20:35] <mungbean> does anyone remember...
[20:35] <daftykins> D:
[20:35] <mungbean> the competitor to ebay in the late 90s
[20:35] <daftykins> the suspense is killing me
[20:35] <daftykins> omg
[20:35] <mungbean> tick
[20:35] <mungbean> tock
[20:35] <mungbean> tick
[20:35] <mungbean> tock
[20:35] <penguin42> they had a competitor?
[20:35] <daftykins> before my time i think
[20:35] <daftykins> lol +1 penguin42
[20:35] <daftykins> my thoughts exactly
[20:35] <mungbean> also in the 00s
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: ibazar?
[20:36] <mungbean> i bet popey will get it
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: that existed in .nl, .fr, .be, .it, .es, .pt, .br and .se :)
[20:36]  * penguin42 remembers everyone and their dog tried to do something similar afterwards
[20:36] <mungbean> not the one i'mn thinking of but can't remember the name of :P
[20:36] <mungbean> may have had a q in it
[20:37] <mungbean> had a weird auction model if i remmeber rightly
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> cqout?
[20:37] <mungbean> QXL
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> quibids?
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/blog/2008/may/07/sofarewellthenqxlitsbeen
[20:37] <mungbean> yep just reading that lol
[20:38] <mungbean> QXL floated on the stock exchange, was briefly worth £2bn
[20:38] <penguin42> really - heck
[20:38] <mungbean> was sold for 1bn anyway CRAZY
[20:40] <daftykins> O_O
[20:40] <mungbean> in 1999 ebay and qxl were neck and neck for a bit in UK
[20:40] <daftykins> i saw ebay was offering for me to LINK my paypal account the other day
[20:40] <daftykins> at long last! two logins was silly
[20:40] <mungbean> i'm gonna end up clicking that by accident
[20:42] <penguin42> kind of makes sense for me on the basis that it's pretty much the only time I use paypal
[20:43] <daftykins> penguin42: same here
[20:43] <mungbean> probably need to double the length of my password just in case
[20:43] <mungbean> to 20 chars
[20:43] <mungbean> or 25
[20:43] <daftykins> hehe
[20:44] <mungbean> gonna be even bigger target
[20:44] <daftykins> i'm such a big spender
[20:44] <mungbean> although your email account is the holy grail i suppose
[20:44] <daftykins> just bought a £3.50 acer laptop DC jack on ebay yesterday to hopefully revive a laptop
[20:45] <mungbean> i bought a 1/4 - 1/8 reducing adaptor for airbrush £1.99
[20:45] <mungbean> free postage
[20:45] <daftykins> :D
[20:45] <daftykins> aww you beat me
[20:45] <mungbean> because i can't spare 30 mins to drive to machine mart and find they don't have one
[20:48] <mungbean> excuse the ropey picture quality, i just finished my latest model
[20:48] <mungbean> http://i.imgur.com/1nWDPAv.jpg
[20:49] <mungbean> masking tape and elastic band staying on overnight just in case
[20:49] <daftykins> :D
[20:49] <daftykins> hand painted?
[20:49] <mungbean> yes
[20:49] <daftykins> wowzer
[20:49] <daftykins> looks impressive
[20:50] <mungbean> ta, it will look nicer with proper camera
[20:50] <daftykins> *nod*
[20:50] <penguin42> nice
[20:50] <daftykins> i never had the patience when i got an airfix or two as a kid
[20:50] <mungbean> its this kit, http://www.vintage-airfix.com/images/51101.jpg
[20:51] <mungbean> wifey got it for quid or two in the chraity shop, makes a change from the WWII planes
[20:51] <daftykins> :O
[20:51] <daftykins> hehe
[20:51] <penguin42> not very vintage :-)
[20:51] <daftykins> ^
[20:52] <mungbean> although i made this one too a few years back: http://i.imgur.com/ZAKLGs8.jpg
[20:52] <penguin42> nice
[20:53] <mungbean> got some vauxhall opel car spray from halfords for that paint job
[20:54] <mungbean> its such an enjoyable antidote to computers
[20:55] <daftykins> sounds it
[20:59] <mungbean> guardian still reporting on http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/aug/16/smartphone-fundraising-ubuntu-10m-dollars
[20:59] <mungbean> not sure if on the dread tree thing too
[21:26] <sebsebseb> penguin42: I think most LUG's are probably lacking women/girls.  Linux etc is mainly a male interest unfortunatly.
[21:26] <sebsebseb> penguin42: and by a long way as well
[22:21] <penguin42> yes unfortunately true
[22:52] <sebsebseb> penguin42: yeah can be annoying at times that actsually in certian situtaiotns in general, but well I blame society etc
[22:52] <sebsebseb> and I mean computing in gneral here
[22:53] <penguin42> nod
[22:59] <sebsebseb> penguin42: however  not thinking about stuff like that much  today
[22:59] <sebsebseb> just glad SKy is getitng more competition
[22:59] <sebsebseb> and Virgin getting those channels no problem to :)
[22:59] <sebsebseb> BT Sport
[23:00] <sebsebseb> I mean that SKy is getting proper competition starting to :)
[23:09]  * penguin42 guesses sebsebseb is talking about some sport thing
[23:10] <sebsebseb> penguin42: yep
[23:10] <sebsebseb> penguin42: I  don't watch much Sport on TV, but  yeah
[23:11] <penguin42> no I don't do any sport watching either (well maybe Snooker occasionally)
[23:24] <sebsebseb> penguin42: yep football occasioanly for me and that's about it really
[23:24] <sebsebseb> ,but this is interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESPN_%28UK%29 :)
[23:25] <penguin42> interesting why?
[23:31] <sebsebseb> penguin42: ESPN being bought out by BT Sport, and Virgin losing it for two weeks when thath appended, access to those channels, and things like that
[23:32] <sebsebseb> penguin42: I remember when Virgin/Telewest didn't have Sky 1 a few years ago, because they coudn't make a deal with Sky at the time and they got aill silly
[23:32] <sebsebseb> companies aye hmm
[23:32] <sebsebseb> penguin42: Sky got silly above that is
[23:32] <sebsebseb> channels are generaly worth millions
[23:32] <sebsebseb> and maybe more sometimes, and these companies only really care about money really
[23:32] <penguin42> yeh I guess that's teh thing with selling individual access to slots rather than just selling bitstreams
[23:33] <sebsebseb> penguin42: no I mean channels generaly get sold
[23:33] <sebsebseb> and then also  the content gets sold to channels
[23:33] <sebsebseb> ,be it general channels, Sport, movies etc
[23:33] <sebsebseb> ok maybe not so much BBC or ITV, but I mean the paid channels
[23:34] <penguin42> sebsebseb: Yeh I mean the problem is the whole concept of channels - which you then have to sell as a chunk
[23:43] <sebsebseb> penguin42: back computer issues
[23:44] <sebsebseb> penguin42: with the amount of polotics etc that can be invovled when it comes to channels,  amazing their are so many  really   in this country etc
[23:44] <penguin42> well most of them are pretty awful
[23:44] <sebsebseb> money and  polotics as well to an extent, that's what it's about when it comes to that
[23:45] <sebsebseb> penguin42: yeah most of them are pretty awful BBC 1 for example
[23:45] <sebsebseb> and ITV
[23:45] <sebsebseb> and channel 4 and channel 5
[23:45] <sebsebseb> penguin42: your probably going to disagree with me here though :d
[23:45] <sebsebseb> ,but I don't like most British TV shows, with the exceptions of documenteries
[23:45] <sebsebseb> and some movies here and there
[23:45] <sebsebseb> and watch TV for news to here and there
[23:45] <sebsebseb> penguin42: more American TV shows person, which means watching channels such as Sky One
[23:46] <sebsebseb> since they usually have the kind of shows I want to watch
[23:46] <sebsebseb> penguin42: now then what did you mean by awful though  when it comes to that?
[23:46] <penguin42> just stuff I don't want to watch, and things like advertising channels and ones that only show really really crap films
[23:47] <sebsebseb> true thre are shoping channels
[23:47] <sebsebseb> and some  channels that turning into gambling channels late in the night and such,  in fact  ITV or whatever is doing that now
[23:47] <sebsebseb> channel 4  one of htem
[23:47] <sebsebseb> penguin42: then get the old  TV channels to
[23:48] <sebsebseb> I don't mean Film FOur when I say that, however they do show a lot of old films to
[23:48] <sebsebseb> ,but also some better newer ones
[23:48] <sebsebseb> depends
[23:48] <sebsebseb> sometimes some forigin movies etc :)
[23:48] <sebsebseb> penguin42: might watch this Australlian one later on tonight depends
[23:48] <sebsebseb> that was on there   the other night
[23:48] <sebsebseb> whenever it was
[23:48] <sebsebseb> penguin42: what don't you want to watch?
[23:49] <penguin42> sebsebseb: soap operas, dramas, sports, most comedy
[23:49] <sebsebseb> penguin42: wehn you say bad fioms, do you mean low budget films or?  some low budge films are quite good :)
[23:50] <penguin42> sebsebseb: Oh some low budget is good
[23:50] <sebsebseb> penguin42: ok so you don't want to see Eastenders and uhmm  Downton Abbey and uhmmm  Britains got talent, and  X Factor and things like that?
[23:50] <penguin42> sebsebseb: there seem to be ones though that only show films that are really bad plot
[23:50] <sebsebseb> which channels do you have in mind for that one?
[23:51] <sebsebseb> bad plots
[23:52] <penguin42> I was thinking of Moves for Men
[23:52] <sebsebseb> uh there's a channel fo rhat?
[23:52] <sebsebseb> don't have that one if so
[23:52] <penguin42> http://www.movies4men.co.uk/programs
[23:52] <sebsebseb> penguin42: uhmm you got Sky?
[23:52] <sebsebseb> or what?
[23:53] <penguin42> maybe 1 in 10 of the films you've heard of
[23:53] <sebsebseb> if so you get more channels than most
[23:53] <sebsebseb> penguin42: as far as I know Sky has loads of well Sky cusotmers only channels, that the rest of us hardly know anything about,  except for big ones such as Sky Atlantic
[23:53] <penguin42> sebsebseb: I only get Freeview here - so just free stuff
[23:54]  * penguin42 is too mean to buy other channels
[23:54] <sebsebseb> penguin42: what's a bit strange though
[23:54] <sebsebseb> sometims what actsauly happens is this
[23:54] <sebsebseb> Freeview get some channels, but  well nope they aren't on Virgin Media  which people are actsualy paying for hmm
[23:54] <sebsebseb> penguin42: maybe happens more than I think for that one actsualy
[23:55] <sebsebseb> you would of though a paid  TV service, would have all the free channels, plus more, but nope it seems
[23:55] <sebsebseb> penguin42: site for that one nothing about Virgin
[23:55] <penguin42> that's normally mostly the case although I seem to remember there used to be a few cases where some were missing
[23:55] <sebsebseb> so  your channel not on Virgin
[23:55] <sebsebseb> doesn't even mention Virgin
[23:56] <sebsebseb> penguin42: CBS Action,  CBS drama I think, but others missing
[23:56] <sebsebseb> weird sin't it
[23:56] <penguin42> sebsebseb: but in the UK since most (but not all) people can get virgin it's not a big problem
[23:56] <sebsebseb> penguin42: my piont is  Virgin should get all the channels freeview and free sat has, plus more really
[23:56] <sebsebseb> where as Sky tends to have it all or pretty much
[23:56] <penguin42> sebsebseb: I think there's a small difference between freesat and freeview as well
[23:57] <sebsebseb> or it has it all really, ok so peole have to get BT Sport  Seperalty as in pay a subscriotn to BT for it if on SKy, but the channels i otherwise waiitng for that on SKy
[23:57] <sebsebseb> yes free sat has some more or whatever it is
[23:58] <sebsebseb> penguin42: really  in a way we need more  community run channels :d  think like open source, but for channels,  sadly  things aren't so simple for that one
[23:58] <sebsebseb> and I mean with good shows to :d
[23:58] <sebsebseb> reallly in a way we need more shows made for fun etc,  and movies, there are a few examples out there, but  I mean like Creative Commons music :d
[23:59] <sebsebseb> penguin42: channels, and TV shows and films, it's all very commerical,  that's a big issue with it right there realy
[23:59] <sebsebseb> penguin42: in fact as a result of that,  they somteims axe reasaobnly good  Sci Fi shows in America for example
[23:59] <sebsebseb> and instead make more of  stuff that is cheaper to make
[23:59] <penguin42> yeh not sure where the bulk of the cost goes these days