[06:23] <magespawn> good morning
[06:26] <Kilos> hi magespawn and others
[06:30] <magespawn> howdy Kilos
[06:39] <magespawn> so what problems are we solving/creating today?
[06:45] <Kilos> hgow do i download them all magespawn ?
[06:46] <Kilos> how too
[06:46] <Kilos> 1 at a time is eina
[06:46] <Kilos> and then we go to idle methinks
[06:46] <Kilos> after sheep
[06:49] <Kilos> i think with my editing im not saving in the right place or something
[06:51] <Kilos> once ive download those files i see the names
[06:54] <kbmonkey> hai hai
[06:54] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[06:55] <Kilos> you gotta make time soon hey
[06:55] <Kilos> we starting python classes in #linux-studies
[06:56] <kbmonkey> oh ya? who is involved? interesting.
[06:56] <Kilos> about 4 so far, others have more pressing things on at the moment
[06:56] <kbmonkey> started gym so dont even mention time XD
[06:57] <Kilos> ai! you peeps and gym
[06:57] <kbmonkey> until i adjust I get to bed very very early
[06:57] <Kilos> hehe
[06:57] <kbmonkey> I gotta health and stuff you know
[06:57] <Kilos> take karate rather
[06:58] <kbmonkey> its either that or anti psychotics and padded walls ;)
[06:58] <Kilos> gets you fitter and healthier and you get defence built in
[06:58] <magespawn> i thought there was a download all button on the top right hand side
[06:58] <magespawn> karate is cool
[06:58] <magespawn> hi kbmonkey
[06:59] <magespawn> got the kids playing minetest
[06:59] <Kilos> is it opera that dont show the download all button or dropbox
[06:59] <kbmonkey> did karate when younger and mma and northern long fist kung fu. none too close enough where i am now. so gym it is :)
[06:59] <Kilos> kbmonkey, magespawn is one
[07:00] <Kilos> even better one is look for aikido classes there
[07:01] <Kilos> see if you can download the book
[07:01] <Kilos> aikido in daily life by koichi tohei
[07:01] <kbmonkey> nice :)
[07:02] <Kilos> he is the founders son
[07:02] <kbmonkey> what problems do we have today Kilos - downloads again?
[07:02] <Kilos> im trying to get python files
[07:03] <Kilos> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bzbneq5prdvu3y9/sVIQPh1MtK#
[07:03] <Kilos> but one at a time sucks
[07:03] <kbmonkey> I'll likely go back to a fighting style once I build some mass. am really underweight 
[07:03] <Kilos> all the window changing and save buttons
[07:04] <Kilos> aikido will get you healthy so your weight will naturally adjust
[07:04] <kbmonkey> as I recall, dropbox only allows one file a time. whose dropbox is that? if you can get the files tarred into one it may be easier.
[07:05] <Kilos> and the idea of using the opponents force and momentum and all is better than throwing punches
[07:05] <magespawn> mine but there is a download button on the top right which gives you a drop down menu with the option to download files as a zip
[07:05] <Kilos> magespawn, box
[07:05] <kbmonkey> ^ what magespawn said Kilos :)
[07:15] <Kilos> i go do sheep
[07:24] <magespawn> that could also mean something else entirely
[07:24] <Kilos> hehe
[07:25] <magespawn> and that laugh would not do much to settle peoples minds
[07:35] <Kilos> i got 12 magespawn . 1 at a time that save as zip also gets 1 then tries to go look for it
[07:35] <Kilos> ghrrr
[07:35] <Kilos> mazal, hi
[07:37] <Kilos> mazal, gaan jy saam met ons python leer
[07:40] <mazal> More oom Kilos , oe nee ek is nie slim genoeg nie en het ook nie genoeg tyd nie
[07:40] <Kilos> man jy baie slimmer as ekke en ons gaan dit 1 huur of minder maak n week
[07:41] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel met my volkie
[07:41] <mazal> Neewat dankie oom , scripting / programming het nog nooit sin gemaak vir my nie
[07:41] <Kilos> haha ek sukkel net so
[07:42] <Kilos> lyk soos alien taal
[07:42] <mazal> Yep , en ek is een van daai mense wat nie iets kan doen as ek dit nie verstaan nie
[07:44] <mazal> Enigste ding in IT wat sin maak is Windoze. Elke keer wat jy sukkel en 'n probleem het maak dit sin want dis M$ :-)
[07:45] <Kilos> windoze is maklik man jy moet net drie goed ken fdisk format install
[07:48] <mazal> lol
[07:49] <mazal> Free bugs with every release
[07:49] <Kilos> skuus setup nie install nie
[07:50] <magespawn> gotta go do a transfer
[07:50] <magespawn> bbl
[07:50] <Kilos> ive found a good use for windows mazal 
[07:50] <Kilos> later mage
[07:51] <Kilos> when you got a drive thats bad at the start of the drive you force a windows install there
[07:52] <Kilos> to force you just boot from a super grub cd and then it can boot to windows and continue the install till its finished
[07:52] <Kilos> kbmonkey, can you download that book?
[07:56] <Kilos> aw hes gone
[07:56] <Kilos> grrr
[08:06] <Kilos> ooyay idle worked
[08:46] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[08:46] <Cantide> hello :)
[08:46] <Cantide> so keen for some rugby today :)
[08:46] <Cantide> BRING IT ON ARGENTINA
[08:47] <Kilos> haha
[08:47] <Kilos> another hour isnt it?
[08:47] <Cantide> oh
[08:48] <Cantide> NZ and Aus are playing at 12
[08:48] <Cantide> SA vs Arg is at 17:00
[08:48] <Cantide> still a few more hours to go :p
[08:49] <Kilos> ah 
[08:50] <Cantide> i think i'll watch both games though
[08:50] <Cantide> if i can
[08:50] <Kilos> yeah i watch aus/nz with tara
[08:50] <Cantide> :)
[08:50] <Cantide> oh no.. do you support Aus?
[08:50] <Cantide> tsk tsk :D
[08:50] <Kilos> two way comments on pidgin
[08:51] <Kilos> nope nz
[08:51] <Kilos> her too
[08:51] <Cantide> whew :D
[08:51] <Cantide> hahaha
[08:51] <Cantide> isn't she in Aus though?
[08:51] <Kilos> yip but dont like the aus sportsmen
[08:51] <Cantide> good on her!
[08:51] <Cantide> i am the same :D
[08:51] <Kilos> she says they have bad attitudes
[08:51] <Cantide> can't stand those whining cheats lol
[08:51] <Cantide> yup
[08:52] <Kilos> and she hates their commentators
[08:52] <Cantide> lol
[08:52] <Cantide> they have zero knowledge those commentators..
[08:52] <Kilos> have hole in face will make noise
[08:52] <Cantide> lol
[08:53] <Cantide> they once referred to Chilliboy ( i think ) as the beast :D
[08:53] <Cantide> made me lol '-'
[08:53] <mazal> lol
[08:53] <Cantide> Hugh Bladen is the sound of rugby
[08:54] <Kilos> yip
[08:54] <mazal> Who can forget Spigaries ( have no idea how to spell it )
[08:54] <Kilos> whats that
[08:55] <mazal> They called him spiegeries , radio rugby commentator , many moons ago. Can't remember his real name
[08:55] <Kilos> mazal, did you read about forcing win to install
[08:55] <mazal> yup
[08:55] <Kilos> that supergrub disk rocks
[08:56] <mazal> I had one somewhere , but not anymore
[08:56] <Cantide> haha
[08:56] <mazal> Boot-repair does the trick for me
[08:56] <Cantide> Piere Speis maybe? (don't know about spelling)
[08:56] <mazal> Nope Cantide 
[08:56] <Kilos> oh pier spies
[08:56] <Cantide> ah
[08:56] <Kilos> peir
[08:57] <mazal> It will come to me sometime
[08:57] <mazal> Probably 2 oclock tonight or something lol
[08:57] <Cantide> lol
[08:57] <Cantide> what's this about forcing win to install?
[08:57] <Cantide> HYPOCRISY
[08:57] <mazal> Where's the other senior guys , everyone knew him
[08:57] <Cantide> BURN IT
[08:57] <Cantide> ah
[08:57] <Kilos> when your drive is messed up with bad blocks in the beginning
[08:58] <mazal> There was no one that could talk that fast in that detail over a radio and new his rugby so well
[08:58] <Cantide> Kilos, can't install Linux there instead?
[08:58] <Kilos> when the drive wont install anything
[08:58] <Kilos> linux is even more sensitive to a faulty drive
[08:58] <Cantide> mazal, aahhh, now i understand what you mean, but i don't know who he was -.-
[08:58] <mazal> I never struggle with bad drives , I'm too parranoid. It fails me once and it gets binned
[08:58] <Cantide> Kilos, oh, that's sad :'(
[08:59] <mazal> Friedel something
[08:59] <Cantide> yeah, i'm the same - once a drive is broken, it's only going to get worse
[08:59] <Kilos> as in you start the win install and it crashes half way and says it has terminated to stop damage to the pc
[09:00] <mazal> That always makes me laugh , as if software can cause physical damage lol
[09:00] <mazal> Silly MS
[09:00] <Kilos> mazal, dont you wanna post me scrap drives ill pay postage
[09:00] <mazal> Don't have one at the moment Kilos 
[09:00] <Kilos> i need lots to use for spares
[09:00] <mazal> But will keep in mind on the next one
[09:00] <Kilos> i actually want to ask on the mailing list as well
[09:01] <Cantide> Kilos, i might have in a few weeks when i clean out here
[09:01] <Kilos> cool
[09:01] <Cantide> Kilos, where do you stay?
[09:01] <Kilos> pretoria
[09:01] <Cantide> oh, man, i was just there a few weeks ago!
[09:01] <mazal> How do one do couriers ? I hate post office
[09:01] <mazal> Do I just call one and say I have a package ?
[09:01] <Kilos> mage says you can post parcels and the receiver pays the postage
[09:02] <Kilos> couriers are expensive
[09:02] <Kilos> you pay their petrol and time
[09:02] <Cantide> i might swing by pretoria again, so i'll let you know
[09:02] <mazal> Where in PTA again oom ?
[09:03] <Kilos> out on the van der hoff road towards brits
[09:03] <Kilos> 6 ks past last robot
[09:03] <Cantide> hehe
[09:03] <mazal> Not sure where that is
[09:03] <Cantide> me neither, but sounds easy enough to find
[09:03] <mazal> Yup
[09:03] <Kilos> past pretoria west
[09:04] <Kilos> the road to the north of church street is van der hoff
[09:04] <Cantide> if i come up to PTA again, i might bring some old PC parts, if you'd want them
[09:04] <Kilos> any pc stuffs are welcome
[09:04] <Cantide> my room is like a PC graveyard
[09:05] <Cantide> a lot of not working / semi working stuff
[09:05] <Kilos> i have some nice drives that need parts
[09:05] <Cantide> but you could salvage CPUs for example
[09:05] <Cantide> ah, and i have a few old HDDs
[09:05] <Kilos> i love not working stuff
[09:05] <Cantide> lol
[09:05] <mazal> Now that sounds just weird Kilos :-)
[09:05] <Kilos> thats how i started on pcs, with other peeps scrap
[09:06] <Kilos> the fun comes in making other peeps scrap work again
[09:06] <Cantide> yup, me, too :)
[09:06] <mazal> Ugh I hate that , after hours I don't even want to see a pc. Get to much of it at work
[09:06] <Cantide> lol
[09:07] <Kilos> the 500g drive im on now was discarded but they wanted the data off it
[09:07] <Kilos> ubuntu has good recovery tools
[09:07] <Cantide> cool :)
[09:07] <Cantide> i had an 80 GB and a 500 GB
[09:08] <mazal> So what't the short version of this MIR thing ?
[09:08] <Cantide> but i bought a 120 SSD and the 80 now lives at my feet
[09:08] <mazal> I saw a video or two , but looks like Unity
[09:08] <Cantide> MIR is the display server
[09:08] <Cantide> the part that interfaces with your hardware
[09:08] <mazal> Oh , in place of X ?
[09:08] <Cantide> not the shell
[09:08] <Cantide> yes
[09:09] <Cantide> wayland is the same sort of thing
[09:09] <mazal> Aaah now you see , not even google could explain it that easy :-)
[09:09] <Cantide> haha
[09:09] <Cantide> i've been following it for a while '-'
[09:09] <mazal> I read it will be in 13.10
[09:09] <Cantide> it's going to shi..
[09:09] <Cantide> yes, i was about to say that :)
[09:09] <Kilos> after recovery i got the drive going with ubuntu but it kept crashing every month or so and now ive forced win onto the first 10g that contains the bad blocks so well see how long it lasts
[09:09] <mazal> But wonder if it will be default or will have to be added by the user ?
[09:09] <Cantide> but in 13.10 they will also have xMir, a compatibility layer
[09:09] <Cantide> i think default
[09:10] <Cantide> and then Unity 7 on top of that - so it will look the same as it does now
[09:10] <mazal> Performance wise ?
[09:10] <Cantide> about the same hopefully
[09:10] <Cantide> at the moment it's actually a bit worse, but there are performance patches in the works
[09:10] <mazal> Unity has been laggy on every version so far on my pc's
[09:11] <Cantide> things will get better in either 14.04 or 14.10 when unity 8 lands
[09:11] <Cantide> and runs directly on top of mir
[09:11] <Cantide> without the need for xmir
[09:11] <mazal> I hope it lands on 14.04 , that we have it in LTS
[09:11] <Cantide> but i think that's still a way off .-.
[09:11] <Cantide> yes, but sometimes they don't like to push new things for an lts
[09:11] <Cantide> so i'm not sure
[09:12] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[09:12] <Cantide> also, during the wallpaper selection discussion last night they said that perhaps for the next version wallpapers might need to be selected that suit all form factors
[09:12] <Cantide> so that kinda hints at unity 8 landing
[09:12] <Cantide> but i'm not sure
[09:12] <Vince-0> haai
[09:12] <mazal> Lo Vince-0 
[09:12] <Cantide> hey hey Vince-0 :)
[09:12] <Vince-0> good morn
[09:13] <Cantide> only 47 minutes left of it :)
[09:52] <mazal> gtg , bye everyone
[09:52] <Kilos> cheers maz
[09:52] <Kilos> ai!
[09:58] <Kilos> Cantide, how do you do a search foe a word inside a package
[09:58] <Kilos> for
[09:59] <Cantide> ah...
[09:59] <Cantide> damn..
[09:59] <Cantide> someone gave me the command a while back
[09:59] <Cantide> not sure if i remember correctly..
[09:59] <Cantide> apt-cache search [word]
[09:59] <Cantide> i think!
[10:00] <Cantide> try it and let me know if it's right
[10:00] <Kilos> ok
[10:02] <Kilos> nope runs through lotsa stuff
[10:02] <Kilos> but no pointer to where the word is
[10:03] <Kilos> word must be in them [] things?
[10:03] <Cantide> no no
[10:03] <Kilos> oh
[10:03] <Cantide> without those, sorry
[10:03] <Cantide> i thought it would be easier to understand like that :/ my mistake
[10:04] <Kilos> haha
[10:04] <Cantide> so type something like apt-cache search gimp
[10:04] <Cantide> for example
[10:05] <Kilos> im looking for the file or whatever ibid uses to make coffee
[10:06] <Kilos> finds funny stuff
[10:06] <Kilos> coffeescript - interpreter and compiler for the CoffeeScript language
[10:07] <Kilos> i wanna try teach my bot to make food not just coffee
[10:08] <Cantide> ah..
[10:08] <Cantide> what is the bot scripted in?
[10:08] <Cantide> you might be better off searching in google
[10:09] <Kilos> python
[10:09] <Cantide> hmm
[10:09] <Cantide> is the bot a phenny?
[10:09] <Kilos> huh?
[10:09] <Cantide> hold on
[10:09] <Kilos> its in the repos
[10:10] <Cantide> .g phenny
[10:11] <Cantide> nope
[10:11] <Cantide> i was thinking of this bot http://inamidst.com/phenny/
[10:11] <Cantide> thought maybe your bot was a variation of it
[10:11] <Cantide> what's it called in the repos?
[10:11] <Kilos> ibid
[10:12] <Kilos> haha just got an sms from tara. go gtalk
[10:14] <Cantide> haha
[10:14] <Cantide> yeah, the game is on
[10:14] <Cantide> i don't know ibid .-.
[10:18] <Cantide> lol, McCaw always getting in the way in the rucks, glad he conceded a penalty there
[10:20] <Kilos> aw i dont see it. mnet sports channel scrambled
[10:20] <Kilos> sigh
[10:20] <Cantide> :(
[10:20] <Cantide> i'm watching online
[10:20] <Kilos> too much data needed for that
[10:30] <Cantide> yeah :/
[10:36] <Cantide> Aus is winning - 12 - 10
[10:36] <Cantide> o_o;;;
[10:37] <Cantide> scrap that
[10:37] <Cantide> NZ just scored
[10:41] <Cantide> and again..
[10:47] <Kilos> hehe
[10:48] <Cantide> good game :)
[10:48] <Kilos> aw
[10:48] <Cantide> Aus 19 - 22 NZ
[10:50] <Cantide> 19 - 25 half time
[10:50] <Kilos> ty
[11:09] <Cantide> i'll save bandwidth and have a shower :p
[11:09] <Cantide> will check the game again near the end :p
[11:10] <Kilos> hehe
[11:28] <charl> hi Cantide 
[11:28] <charl> hi Kilos 
[11:28] <Kilos> hi charl
[11:28] <charl> how's it going
[11:28] <Kilos> good ty and you
[11:28] <charl> good good
[11:29] <Kilos> i got idle to work
[11:29] <charl> i'm finding youtube to be quite disappointing
[11:30] <charl> even when playing video at 1080p both the audio and video quality is so much less than h264
[11:30] <charl> and the colours are terrible
[11:30] <charl> and then it hangs frequently, just stops buffering for some reason
[11:30] <Kilos> doesnt that depend on what peeps upload
[11:31] <charl> nah i find it across the board
[11:31] <charl> i haven't uploaded anything to youtube in probably 7 or so years
[11:31] <charl> i tried it out after it launched initially, so i can't speak out of personal experience
[11:31] <Kilos> i try stay away from youtube
[11:31] <charl> yeah and now it's full of ads too, it's becoming terrible
[11:32] <charl> i much rather stream h264 when i have the option
[11:32] <Kilos> adds are getting in everywhere
[11:32] <charl> google must be making tons of money but it's extremely irritating having to wait to click through the ads
[11:32] <charl> sometimes i click on the ad by accident and get a new tab launched
[11:32] <charl> and the poor (sucker) advertisers are paying for it :D
[11:32] <Kilos> thats why browsing sucks as well
[11:33] <charl> even though i have no interest in buying anything
[11:33] <Kilos> everything is page to page to get what you want
[11:34] <charl> and even if the initial ads aren't bad enough, then put yet more ads on the bottom of the video that you have to click to close
[11:34] <charl> this is leaving a serious opportunity for competition like vimeo to come in
[11:34] <Kilos> some sites go to an add and if you dont register there you get no further
[11:34] <charl> you still get a lot of sites like that surprisingly
[11:34] <charl> thought people would have stopped with that after the 90s
[11:34] <Kilos> sucks
[11:34] <charl> always register and fill in endless forms
[11:35] <charl> there even launched a service at some point that automatically logged you in to a bunch of them using generic accounts
[11:35] <charl> not sure if it is still around
[11:35] <Cantide> oh wow, NZ are running away with this now - 40 - 22
[11:35] <Cantide> hi charl :)
[11:35] <charl> hi Cantide how's it going
[11:35] <Kilos> good
[11:35] <Cantide> charl, very well, thanks :)
[11:35] <Cantide> and you?
[11:35] <charl> also good
[11:36] <Cantide> :)
[11:37] <Cantide> i was hoping this would be a closer game
[11:38] <Kilos> no man good if aus gets thumped
[11:38] <Cantide> yeah, but they should wear each other down to make things easier for us
[11:38] <Cantide> haha
[11:38] <Kilos> me looking funny stuffs
[11:38] <Kilos> sqliteman
[11:38] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:39] <Kilos> so many funny words like pragmas
[11:39] <Cantide> :D
[11:39] <Kilos> my poor head
[11:39] <charl> is this idle a python editor Kilos ?
[11:40] <Kilos> yip it seems to be the built in editor
[11:40] <Kilos> actuall quite cool
[11:40] <Cantide> hahaha, Will Genie looks flustered :D
[11:40] <charl> looking at it now but it doesn't look very good at all
[11:41] <charl> why not just use vim
[11:41] <Kilos> built in run and debug and stuffs
[11:41] <Kilos> no vim is lots more to learn and remember
[11:41] <charl> oh i see this: "Integrated debugger with stepping, persistent breakpoints, and call stack visibility."
[11:41] <charl> that's handy
[11:41] <Kilos> idle is cool
[11:42] <Kilos> looks like all python stuff rocks
[11:42] <charl> never used it, i always code in vim but i guess i should try it at some point
[11:43] <charl> although these days all i really use python for is for small scripts, i do most of my development on openjdk
[11:43] <Kilos> makes things easier and faster methinks
[11:43] <charl> i did some work on this thing: https://lexmachina.com/
[11:44] <charl> i used lxml to scrape html to get the info out: http://lxml.de/
[11:44] <Kilos> go look in the ibid packages and see where the coffee on stuff is
[11:44] <Kilos> i want to see the script for coffee
[11:44] <charl> just grep for "coffee on" or something
[11:44] <charl> i'm sure it should be quick to find
[11:45] <Kilos> but ibid is actually quite big
[11:45] <Kilos> man i dunno grep
[11:45] <charl> grep -ri 'coffee on'
[11:45] <charl> inside the ibid directory
[11:45] <Kilos> ty
[11:46] <Kilos> ai!
[11:46] <charl> np
[11:46] <charl> have you guys looked at jython?
[11:46] <charl> it's an implementation of python written in java
[11:47] <charl> it's extremely slow
[11:47] <charl> but it has one big advantage, you can import any java library and use it from python
[11:47] <charl> so if you want to combine java and python libraries you can do stuff like this: http://pastebin.com/QF2MF6XV
[11:47] <charl> here i used a python library (pygments) and combined it with jsoup (a java library)
[11:48] <charl> sorry the code was a quick hack-together, not properly written
[11:49] <Cantide> oh, of course, grep :)
[11:49] <charl> take away grep and i lose my ability to program :)
[11:49] <Cantide> i dislike java...
[11:49] <charl> when you work on somebody else's code it's the quickest way to find stuff
[11:49] <Cantide> and i've not yet used python
[11:49] <Cantide> haha, yeah :D
[11:49] <charl> why do you dislike java?
[11:50] <Cantide> amidoingitrite? http://www.news24.com/Green/News/40-pythons-found-in-Canadian-hotel-20130817
[11:50] <charl> haha
[11:50] <Cantide> i don't know... it's too fussy .-.
[11:50] <Cantide> too strict
[11:50] <Cantide> drives me crazy :D
[11:50] <charl> too fussy? have you tried c?
[11:50] <charl> that's exactly what i like about it
[11:50] <Cantide> probably only because i don't really know what i'm doing
[11:50] <charl> yeah :)
[11:50] <Cantide> the whole jar files, class files etc.
[11:51] <Cantide> and just getting it to work is a lot of effort for me
[11:51] <charl> i would not recommend it to beginner programmers
[11:51] <charl> but it *does* learn you how to program *properly*
[11:51] <Cantide> teach *
[11:51] <Cantide> yes
[11:51] <charl> but python is much nicer for starters
[11:51] <Cantide> i used pircbot a bit
[11:51] <Cantide> it's an irc bot written in java
[11:51] <charl> oh yes i have as well
[11:51] <charl> lemme get some code
[11:51] <Cantide> lol
[11:51] <Cantide> i gave up eventually because java was driving me mad
[11:51] <Cantide> other than that, pircbot was cool
[11:52] <Cantide> if i had to try and make a bot now, i'd use phenny
[11:52] <charl> http://pastebin.com/6h605kHP
[11:52] <charl> http://pastebin.com/jb9NK7QG
[11:52] <charl> a little side project of mine
[11:53] <charl> it's a pity pastebin has such terrible layout and formatting
[11:54]  * Cantide clicks
[11:55] <Cantide> formatting looks alright
[11:55] <Cantide> lots of imports :D
[11:55] <charl> slexy too, this sucks: http://slexy.org/view/s211KeyteU
[11:55] <Cantide> see, you know what you're doing
[11:55] <charl> ubuntu paste wins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5995901/
[11:55] <charl> finally no line wrapping
[11:56] <charl> well i work as a programmer for a job :)
[11:56] <charl> so i should :P
[11:57] <Cantide> :)
[11:57] <Cantide> oh yeah, that's much better!
[11:57] <charl> not like i should claim this is professional quality code, this is a little site project with no comments
[11:57] <charl> and the code should be split up into more methods, for one
[11:58] <Cantide> you clearly have never seen my code xD
[11:59] <charl> lol
[12:12] <Kilos> wb tumbleweed 
[12:16] <tumbleweed> hi. I'm not back yet, though :)
[12:16] <Kilos> whew
[12:33] <magespawn> afternoon all
[12:33] <Kilos> yo magespawn 
[12:35] <magespawn> i see the room has been busy
[12:35] <Kilos> little bit
[12:36] <Kilos> mins peeps that talk lots
[12:36] <Kilos> oh my idle works magespawn 
[12:36] <Kilos> yay
[12:36] <magespawn> all ways the regular chatterboxes
[12:36] <magespawn> cool beans Kilos
[12:36] <Kilos> opened a new window and didnt try use the first one that opens
[12:37] <Kilos> you sposed to tell me these things
[12:37] <magespawn> ahh so you were writing your program straight in the python consoel
[12:38] <magespawn> console
[12:38] <Kilos> ya
[12:38] <Kilos> domdonner
[12:38] <magespawn> ahh not so much, how were yoou supposed to know
[12:38] <magespawn> and nobody else thought of that either
[12:39] <Kilos> well the book said open the editor and type in that stuff
[12:40] <Kilos> oh also i typed in not copy pasted
[12:40] <Kilos> thats major work
[12:41] <magespawn> with typing you learn how it is supposed to be set out
[12:42] <Kilos> ya but big work. i cant remember a whole line at a time so its back and forth from book to ed
[12:43] <Kilos> need to rest now\
[12:52] <magespawn> thats the way i do it too
[13:14] <charl> for those of you with internet, a modern data centre facility: http://youtu.be/9grRWBT_fnE
[13:14] <charl> we operate something similar where i work, very nice
[13:15] <charl> electronic access control, efficient cooling, redundancy
[13:15] <charl> hi magespawn 
[13:23] <magespawn> hi charl
[13:26] <charl> how's it going
[13:27] <Cantide> cool data centre :)
[13:27] <charl> we need ftth where i live, i'm still on cable :(
[13:27] <charl> the same company offers this: http://www.breedbandarnhem.nl/thuis/snelheden
[13:27] <charl> for less than what i pay now i could have 250mbps
[13:27] <charl> instead of 60
[13:28] <charl> we are running behind where i live
[14:15] <Kilos> magespawn, you still here?
[14:24] <magespawn> yup
[14:27] <magespawn> yes Kilos
[14:27] <Kilos> where is the part in ibid that makes coffee
[14:27] <Kilos> i cant find it 
[14:28] <Kilos> even got sqlite installed 
[14:29] <Kilos> is it a plugin or part of the basic install or what
[14:29] <magespawn> i think a plugin
[14:29] <Kilos> Maaz, plugins
[14:29] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[14:29] <magespawn> maybe ask tumbleweed
[14:30] <Kilos> Maaz, list plugins
[14:30] <Maaz> Kilos: Plugins: admin, calc, conversions, core, eval, factoid, feeds, film, fun, games, geography, google, help, icecast, identity, karma, languages, log, lotto, meetings, memo, memory, network, oeis, quotes, rfc, seen, social, sources, strings, sysadmin, test, urlgrab and urlinfo
[14:30] <Kilos> ive hunted me sicker
[14:37] <magespawn> why do you need it?
[14:37] <Kilos> i want to see how that is written to time when ready and then announce etc
[14:39] <magespawn> search 'ibid coffee' in google, without the quotes
[14:39] <Kilos> and how it decides to kettle on or grind coffee etc
[14:39] <Kilos> ok ty
[15:01] <magespawn> did that help Kilos?
[15:02] <Kilos> yip ty ive found some ill slexy it now
[15:04] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s20IBUpG1D
[15:04] <Kilos> i think thats all of it
[15:06] <magespawn> you going to contribute to ibid now?
[15:06] <Kilos> money or script?
[15:06] <Kilos> hehe
[15:07] <Kilos> i will play around and maybe i can make it braai a bit
[15:07] <Kilos> you think thats everything needed for the coffee trip
[15:09] <magespawn> have not had a look at it yet, you could of course download the entire source and work from there
[15:10] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:14] <Kilos> i dunno how to get the whole source
[15:24] <magespawn> somewhere in those files you downloaded from my dropbox is kbmonkey's greeter program
[15:24] <Kilos> i have that saved here as well. saw you got 2 there but downloaded both
[15:25] <Kilos> but it needs fixing before we can use it
[15:27] <Kilos> i thought synaptic gave the option to download the source but i cant find it
[15:27] <Kilos> maybe its been dropped
[15:27] <Kilos> always shied away from source
[15:27] <magespawn> if you go to overview then i think you need to click on the latest download on the right hand side
[15:27] <magespawn> overview of the ibid on the net
[15:29] <Kilos> i dont see overview in opera
[15:29] <Kilos> http://pydoc.net/Python/Ibid/0.1.0/ibid.plugins.fun/
[15:29] <Kilos> thats where i am
[15:34] <magespawn> try this https://launchpad.net/ibid
[15:35] <Kilos> ok
[15:38] <magespawn> bbl on my way home
[15:43] <Kilos> go safe
[15:54] <kbmonkey> internet is back again
[15:55] <Kilos> yay thats good kbmonkey 
[15:55] <kbmonkey> what are you doing with ibid Kilos ?
[15:56] <Kilos> i want to look at what makes coffee work and maybe try get my bot to braai or even just do steak
[15:57] <Kilos> i use the daily build ibid not the one that comes with 12.04
[15:57] <Kilos> so dunno which source i need to look at
[15:59] <Kilos> maybe its just dreams. looks like lotsa work
[16:01] <kbmonkey> from my experience ibid is unwieldy to work worth and learn - I don't think it's just you Kilos ;)
[16:01] <Kilos> adding to the source then making a .deb out of it
[16:13] <Kilos> hey kbmonkey have you sued idle
[16:13] <Kilos> used
[16:13] <Kilos> i see a debugging button. wanna know what it does
[16:13] <kbmonkey> the python interpreter? 
[16:13] <Kilos> ya
[16:13] <kbmonkey> yes I have, but not for long, I moved to gedit very soon
[16:14] <Kilos> gedit dont have the run button in
[16:14] <Kilos> idle be kiff
[16:14] <kbmonkey> I would guess that runs the program through a debugger
[16:15] <kbmonkey> yes it does, hit f5 to run. you can customize what f5 does: python %f
[16:15] <Kilos> oh its ctrl+f5 in idle
[16:16] <kbmonkey> are you playing with python kilos?
[16:16] <Kilos> yeah
[16:16] <Kilos> but so many things to learn
[16:16] <Kilos> strings and other funny name stuffs
[16:17] <Kilos> hehe
[16:17] <Kilos> but its fun
[16:17] <kbmonkey> the modern form of chopsticks: keeps the brain thinking
[16:17] <Kilos> haha
[16:18] <kbmonkey> if you like to read a poem, in python enter "import this"
[16:21] <Kilos> hehe
[16:30] <Trixar_za> Eh, let's try this
[16:31] <Kilos> sup Trixar_za 
[16:31] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[16:31] <Trixar_za> Messing with buildroot
[16:32] <Kilos> in arch?
[16:39] <Trixar_za> No, I'm using a linode server to roll my own Linux
[16:39] <Trixar_za> :P
[16:39] <Trixar_za> It sucks that you don't get a good looking linux in a small download. SliTaz is pretty much the only one that tried to do that without going idiotic like TinyCore
[16:44] <kbmonkey> whoops. here we go to 2G mode :(
[16:44] <Kilos> ai!
[16:47] <magespawn> evening all
[16:47] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[16:48] <kbmonkey> evening magespawn 
[16:49] <Kilos> i thought tinycore was quite lekker Trixar_za 
[16:49] <kbmonkey> this day has min to offer
[16:50] <Kilos> then take it easy
[16:50] <Kilos> oh look for that book man
[16:51] <Kilos> you dont have to do aikido just read first half of the book
[16:51] <Trixar_za> Yeah, so I'm trying to make my own using buildroot
[16:51] <Trixar_za> It has a lot of options
[16:51] <Kilos> your own OS from scratch?
[16:52] <Trixar_za> And it's aimed at embedded linuxes, which makes it useful for generating micro-linuxes
[16:52] <Trixar_za> Not completely from scratch - buildroot does most of the heavy lifting
[16:52] <Kilos> whew
[16:52] <Trixar_za> I still have to do the boot scripts and general configuration though
[16:52] <magespawn> will it be trixar_os?
[16:53] <Kilos> haha
[16:53] <Kilos> tros
[16:53] <Trixar_za> Will probably be a SliTaz, but built with buildroot rather than by hand. I'll also be blacklisting several packages which I'm going to build myself
[16:55] <Trixar_za> What is RPC and WCHAR support?
[16:56] <kbmonkey> wide character support might be 64-bit addressing, if I guess correctly
[16:59] <Trixar_za> Enabling toolchain locale/i18n support locks WCHAR support in place
[16:59] <Trixar_za> so I guess I'm using it
[16:59] <Trixar_za> Remote Procedure Calls
[17:12] <Kilos> maybe back later. if not , sleep tight all