smartboyhw | xequence, users in #ubuntustudio are complaining about that “Linux about creative humans" should have been "GNU/Linux for creative humans" | 11:09 |
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smartboyhw | *"Linux for creative humans" | 11:09 |
smartboyhw | Linux -> GNU/Linux | 11:09 |
xequence | smartboyhw: Which of those do you think looks better as a slogan, and which of those do you think *everyone* understands perfectly? | 11:16 |
smartboyhw | xequence, for me, "Linux for creative humans" is better, but Richard Stallman has called for anonical many times to call it "GNU/Linux" | 11:17 |
xequence | Richard Stallman leaves no room for compromise of any kind | 11:18 |
xequence | Not always a good thing | 11:18 |
xequence | It's probably good when creating programs | 11:19 |
xequence | but, not when dealing with humans | 11:19 |
xequence | I may at times be persuasive about my opinions, for the best of Ubuntu Studio, as my position requires, but that doesn't necessarily mean I make the decisions | 13:20 |
xequence | I'm much for the concept of do-ocracy, meaning the one who does decides | 13:21 |
xequence | So far, the culture of Ubuntu Studio development has meant that the project leader does put his fingers into many things | 13:22 |
smartboyhw | And shall remain | 13:22 |
smartboyhw | Unless we have many members | 13:22 |
smartboyhw | Which, I don't think we will have within 2 years:P | 13:23 |
OvenWerks | smartboyhw_: O personally think using just the word Linux is fine. | 14:18 |
OvenWerks | much of the tools are other tha GNU anyway | 14:19 |
OvenWerks | smartboyhw: I think Linux is correct, I think ubuntu for sure but also much of the Linux and open source comunity do not really think in gnu terms... at least not as narrowly as RS | 14:25 |
xequence | I always try to say GNU/Linux, and make a point of it also when I'm teaching people at Linux, but since Linux is a common term used for GNU/Linux OSs, for a slogan, it's just better to say Linux | 14:32 |
xequence | sorry, when teaching people about Linux | 14:32 |
xequence | "Floss/GNU/Linux/Ubuntu x86 for creative humans"?, naah | 14:33 |
OvenWerks | It does at lease help people to realize it is Linux plus. | 14:34 |
OvenWerks | xequence: it is a relatively easy setting to change the grub line from ubuntu to ubuntustudio. (using kubuntu's style) | 14:35 |
smartboyhw | Ovenwerks: Then implement it:P | 14:36 |
xequence | OvenWerks: Ok. You want to do that? | 14:36 |
OvenWerks | I can, it is just adding a directory with one file in /etc/default. | 14:36 |
OvenWerks | I would like to look farther though as it would be really nice to make lowlatency default rather than the latest generic | 14:37 |
xequence | To have that as default would be good | 14:38 |
OvenWerks | I personally noticed no difference in battery use on my netbook, but at least one user did. Mine is Atom based | 14:38 |
xequence | I'm on atom too | 14:38 |
xequence | right now | 14:38 |
xequence | I don't usually use laptopts | 14:39 |
smartboyhw | Not me | 14:39 |
xequence | doesn't seem like there's a difference, no | 14:39 |
OvenWerks | The atom systems are supposed to have good latency for their speed. | 14:39 |
smartboyhw | I'm in 1st gen i5 | 14:39 |
OvenWerks | Can be fanless (my new desktop is very quiet) | 14:40 |
OvenWerks | Even the atom is now 64 bit dual core | 14:40 |
xequence | Because of my interest in mixing and recording, I always make sure to buy silent components | 14:40 |
xequence | big fans or no fans | 14:40 |
xequence | the power supply needs to be silent as well | 14:41 |
xequence | my PC when it's on, you can hardly notice | 14:41 |
xequence | but, I can't record voice in the same room though | 14:41 |
xequence | you can always change the CPU fan for little cost | 14:42 |
xequence | there are cheap graphic cards that are fanless | 14:42 |
xequence | but, the power supply is a problem, if you get the wrong one | 14:42 |
xequence | I always put a bit extra money on that, not for the Watts, but for the noise level | 14:42 |
OvenWerks | I could probably run the PS on the atom with no fan. | 14:43 |
OvenWerks | but it is very quiet anyway | 14:43 |
OvenWerks | I have my desktop(s) in a rack with a door | 14:44 |
xequence | I should do that too | 14:44 |
xequence | put it inside some glass | 14:44 |
OvenWerks | no sound damping but itstill makes a difference | 14:44 |
xequence | glass is a very good sound isolator | 14:44 |
OvenWerks | sort of a thin rock | 14:45 |
OvenWerks | xequence: I may try to make the progress dialog on -installer more verbose. | 14:47 |
OvenWerks | when I use the -y it also does -q silently | 14:48 |
OvenWerks | I am noticing when downloading a big package it just sits for a long time | 14:49 |
OvenWerks | maybe if I do -y -q0 | 14:50 |
xequence | OvenWerks: Yeah, I thought about that too. Would make it nicer to look at | 14:51 |
OvenWerks | after release I can file a bug (wishlist) | 14:52 |
* OvenWerks thinks we should use bugs more to keep track of what we are doing | 14:52 | |
xequence | OvenWerks: I wouldn't bother with a bug, unless you need to update the package in a stable release | 14:53 |
OvenWerks | seems to work well for extra SW in the menu | 14:53 |
OvenWerks | ok | 14:53 |
xequence | I've been thinking a lot about the LP blueprints the last weeks | 14:54 |
xequence | I think we need to establish simpler forms for them | 14:54 |
xequence | and, when someone is the sole developer on a project, it's not as important, all though always a good thing to use | 14:54 |
xequence | It is imortant that there is some sort of concensus for thing that have the ubuntustudio name in it | 14:55 |
OvenWerks | I don't think any of our projects are sole... maybe controls right now | 14:55 |
xequence | so, basically between the few people who hang out here | 14:55 |
xequence | the plans for -controls have been laid out a long time ago, but not sure how well they are clarified/documented in the blueprints | 14:56 |
OvenWerks | Ya, I think that makes sense | 14:56 |
xequence | I'm not using the blueprints myself right now, which kind of indicates how I feel about them | 14:57 |
OvenWerks | though you may be working on, you have told us what you are doing and trying to get to. | 14:57 |
OvenWerks | I wasn't suesting controls was being done outside of US | 14:58 |
OvenWerks | xubuntu has a new grub | 15:03 |
xequence | OvenWerks: not the default grub? How do you mean? | 15:04 |
OvenWerks | The menu is blue not black | 15:04 |
OvenWerks | there is a "welcome to grub" before that...I don't know if it is new or just revamped | 15:05 |
OvenWerks | (theme) | 15:05 |
OvenWerks | Ga! KDE and Lxde don't like link style desktop files. | 16:17 |
OvenWerks | Our info menu vanished | 16:17 |
xequence | Working on the ubiquity plugins | 16:25 |
xequence | Apparently, all we really need to do is base our plugin on edubuntu | 16:35 |
xequence | but, can't get it to work yet. Trying theirs now | 16:35 |
xequence | we have source for it already, prepared by astraljava, but I don't yet have full grasp on what we need for it | 16:35 |
xequence | I probably need to try on something newer than 12.04. Can't get edubuntu's to work either | 16:37 |
OvenWerks | how are you testing it? | 16:39 |
OvenWerks | what are the differences between edubuntu's live and installed (without adding anything) versions? | 16:40 |
OvenWerks | That is, does their live iso have apps on it that ubiquity lets you choose not to install? | 16:40 |
* OvenWerks is learning about lintian overrides :P | 18:00 | |
OvenWerks | micahg: using the link=url method of doing desktop files only works in xfce, it does not work in kde or lxde... not sure about the gnome stuff (inc Unity) | 19:56 |
OvenWerks | micahg: anyway, both ubuntustudio-intaller and ubuntustudio-menu are ready for upload. -menu also passes lintian. | 19:58 |
cub | good evening | 20:43 |
TheDrums | Yes master. | 20:44 |
OvenWerks | cub: good afternoon | 20:44 |
cub | hehe | 20:45 |
OvenWerks | I see our kernels have moved to 3.11 | 20:47 |
OvenWerks | exit | 20:47 |
cub | for saucy or earlier? | 20:47 |
OvenWerks | saucy | 20:47 |
cub | alright | 20:47 |
cub | I | 20:47 |
cub | I'm still running mir on this netbook | 20:48 |
OvenWerks | Still updates every day? | 20:49 |
cub | I don't know..will run an update now | 20:49 |
OvenWerks | It's the weekend, so maybe not... though there have been other things. | 20:49 |
OvenWerks | I have been working on our menu and uploading it to my PPA.. so doing upgrades, seem to get other things almost every time. | 20:50 |
Hypnotoad | Mir team is all Canonical, so the channel drops dead at least. | 20:51 |
cub | no new mir, just kernel and some other minor stuff | 20:51 |
OvenWerks | have you tried MIR with lowlatency kernel? | 20:51 |
cub | yes running it since yesterday on my asus eee pc 900 | 20:52 |
OvenWerks | does it make any difference? only a worry if it does :) | 20:52 |
cub | just ordinary surfing and office use so far so no audio or other more studio like things | 20:52 |
cub | it's just the login screen that flashes, once logged in I see no difference | 20:53 |
cub | the previous lag is gone | 20:53 |
OvenWerks | Good. | 20:53 |
cub | use about the same resources as before it seems | 20:53 |
OvenWerks | So it seems to biggest hurdle is getting around the idea that X is magical | 20:54 |
cub | yes, and multi monitor | 20:54 |
OvenWerks | I am sure that will come | 20:55 |
cub | oh yeah, might be quite soon | 20:55 |
cub | they seems to have taken in all the comments from the xubuntu team | 20:56 |
OvenWerks | xubuntu has been really good about testing. I don't think it will go far if it is a vanilla only ting | 20:57 |
OvenWerks | besides testing with a made for x desktop covers all the areas unity is not even trying to deal with | 20:59 |
cub | I'd like to have time to do more in depth testing, like editing videos and see if it's any different | 21:01 |
OvenWerks | Those are some of the things that will have to happen before it goes on studio | 21:02 |
cub | but antoher day tomorrow! Better get to bed. :) | 21:02 |
OvenWerks | GN | 21:02 |
cub | Until tomorrow OvenWerks, GN | 21:02 |
OvenWerks | Whatever was done to the kernel from 3.8 to 3.11 my USB audio runs really solid at -p64. It's tube pre with limiter sounds really nice with guitarix. The only xruns were when changing presets. | 23:29 |
OvenWerks | running kubuntu with ubuntustudio metas installed plus LL kernel. no settings changed. 10 year + old P4 single core with 2.5G ram. | 23:34 |
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