[11:09] <smartboyhw> xequence, users in #ubuntustudio are complaining about that “Linux about creative humans" should have been "GNU/Linux for creative humans"
[11:09] <smartboyhw> *"Linux for creative humans"
[11:09] <smartboyhw> Linux -> GNU/Linux
[11:16] <xequence> smartboyhw: Which of those do you think looks better as a slogan, and which of those do you think *everyone* understands perfectly?
[11:17] <smartboyhw> xequence, for me, "Linux for creative humans" is better, but Richard Stallman has called for anonical many times to call it "GNU/Linux"
[11:18] <xequence> Richard Stallman leaves no room for compromise of any kind
[11:18] <xequence> Not always a good thing
[11:19] <xequence> It's probably good when creating programs
[11:19] <xequence> but, not when dealing with humans
[13:20] <xequence> I may at times be persuasive about my opinions, for the best of Ubuntu Studio, as my position requires, but that doesn't necessarily mean I make the decisions
[13:21] <xequence> I'm much for the concept of do-ocracy, meaning the one who does decides
[13:22] <xequence> So far, the culture of Ubuntu Studio development has meant that the project leader does put his fingers into many things
[13:22] <smartboyhw> And shall remain
[13:22] <smartboyhw> Unless we have many members
[13:23] <smartboyhw> Which, I don't think we will have within 2 years:P
[14:18] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw_: O personally think using just the word Linux is fine.
[14:19] <OvenWerks> much of the tools are other tha GNU anyway
[14:25] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: I think Linux is correct, I think ubuntu for sure but also much of the Linux and open source comunity do not really think in gnu terms... at least not as narrowly as RS
[14:32] <xequence> I always try to say GNU/Linux, and make a point of it also when I'm teaching people at Linux, but since Linux is a common term used for GNU/Linux OSs, for a slogan, it's just better to say Linux
[14:32] <xequence> sorry, when teaching people about Linux
[14:33] <xequence> "Floss/GNU/Linux/Ubuntu x86 for creative humans"?, naah
[14:34] <OvenWerks> It does at lease help people to realize it is Linux plus.
[14:35] <OvenWerks> xequence: it is a relatively easy setting to change the grub line from ubuntu to ubuntustudio. (using kubuntu's style)
[14:36] <smartboyhw> Ovenwerks: Then implement it:P
[14:36] <xequence> OvenWerks: Ok. You want to do that?
[14:36] <OvenWerks> I can, it is just adding a directory with one file in /etc/default.
[14:37] <OvenWerks> I would like to look farther though as it would be really nice to make lowlatency default rather than the latest generic
[14:38] <xequence> To have that as default would be good
[14:38] <OvenWerks> I personally noticed no difference in battery use on my netbook, but at least one user did. Mine is Atom based
[14:38] <xequence> I'm on atom too
[14:38] <xequence> right now
[14:39] <xequence> I don't usually use laptopts
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Not me
[14:39] <xequence> doesn't seem like there's a difference, no
[14:39] <OvenWerks> The atom systems are supposed to have good latency for their speed.
[14:39] <smartboyhw> I'm in 1st gen i5
[14:40] <OvenWerks> Can be fanless (my new desktop is very quiet)
[14:40] <OvenWerks> Even the atom is now 64 bit dual core
[14:40] <xequence> Because of my interest in mixing and recording, I always make sure to buy silent components
[14:40] <xequence> big fans or no fans
[14:41] <xequence> the power supply needs to be silent as well
[14:41] <xequence> my PC when it's on, you can hardly notice
[14:41] <xequence> but, I can't record voice in the same room though
[14:42] <xequence> you can always change the CPU fan for little cost
[14:42] <xequence> there are cheap graphic cards that are fanless
[14:42] <xequence> but, the power supply is a problem, if you get the wrong one
[14:42] <xequence> I always put a bit extra money on that, not for the Watts, but for the noise level
[14:43] <OvenWerks> I could probably run the PS on the atom with no fan.
[14:43] <OvenWerks> but it is very quiet anyway
[14:44] <OvenWerks> I have my desktop(s) in a rack with a door
[14:44] <xequence> I should do that too
[14:44] <xequence> put it inside some glass
[14:44] <OvenWerks> no sound damping but itstill makes a difference
[14:44] <xequence> glass is a very good sound isolator
[14:45] <OvenWerks> sort of a thin rock
[14:47] <OvenWerks> xequence: I may try to make the progress dialog on -installer more verbose.
[14:48] <OvenWerks> when I use the -y it also does -q silently
[14:49] <OvenWerks> I am noticing when downloading a big package it just sits for a long time
[14:50] <OvenWerks> maybe if I do -y -q0
[14:51] <xequence> OvenWerks: Yeah, I thought about that too. Would make it nicer to look at
[14:52] <OvenWerks> after release I can file a bug (wishlist)
[14:52]  * OvenWerks thinks we should use bugs more to keep track of what we are doing
[14:53] <xequence> OvenWerks: I wouldn't bother with a bug, unless you need to update the package in a stable release
[14:53] <OvenWerks> seems to work well for extra SW in the menu
[14:53] <OvenWerks> ok
[14:54] <xequence> I've been thinking a lot about the LP blueprints the last weeks
[14:54] <xequence> I think we need to establish simpler forms for them
[14:54] <xequence> and, when someone is the sole developer on a project, it's not as important, all though always a good thing to use
[14:55] <xequence> It is imortant that there is some sort of concensus for thing that have the ubuntustudio name in it
[14:55] <OvenWerks> I don't think any of our projects are sole... maybe controls right now
[14:55] <xequence> so, basically between the few people who hang out here
[14:56] <xequence> the plans for -controls have been laid out a long time ago, but not sure how well they are clarified/documented in the blueprints
[14:56] <OvenWerks> Ya, I think that makes sense
[14:57] <xequence> I'm not using the blueprints myself right now, which kind of indicates how I feel about them
[14:57] <OvenWerks> though you may be working on, you have told us what you are doing and trying to get to.
[14:58] <OvenWerks> I wasn't suesting controls was being done outside of US
[15:03] <OvenWerks> xubuntu has a new grub
[15:04] <xequence> OvenWerks: not the default grub? How do you mean?
[15:04] <OvenWerks> The menu is blue not black
[15:05] <OvenWerks> there is a "welcome to grub" before that...I don't know if it is new or just revamped
[15:05] <OvenWerks> (theme)
[16:17] <OvenWerks> Ga! KDE and Lxde don't like link style desktop files.
[16:17] <OvenWerks> Our info menu vanished
[16:25] <xequence> Working on the ubiquity plugins
[16:35] <xequence> Apparently, all we really need to do is base our plugin on edubuntu
[16:35] <xequence> but, can't get it to work yet. Trying theirs now
[16:35] <xequence> we have source for it already, prepared by astraljava, but I don't yet have full grasp on what we need for it
[16:37] <xequence> I probably need to try on something newer than 12.04. Can't get edubuntu's to work either
[16:39] <OvenWerks> how are you testing it?
[16:40] <OvenWerks> what are the differences between edubuntu's live and installed (without adding anything) versions?
[16:40] <OvenWerks> That is, does their live iso have apps on it that ubiquity lets you choose not to install?
[18:00]  * OvenWerks is learning about lintian overrides :P
[19:56] <OvenWerks> micahg: using the link=url method of doing desktop files only works in xfce, it does not work in kde or lxde... not sure about the gnome stuff (inc Unity)
[19:58] <OvenWerks> micahg: anyway, both ubuntustudio-intaller and ubuntustudio-menu are ready for upload. -menu also passes lintian.
[20:43] <cub> good evening
[20:44] <TheDrums> Yes master.
[20:44] <OvenWerks> cub: good afternoon
[20:45] <cub> hehe
[20:47] <OvenWerks> I see our kernels have moved to 3.11
[20:47] <OvenWerks> exit
[20:47] <cub> for saucy or earlier?
[20:47] <OvenWerks> saucy
[20:47] <cub> alright
[20:47] <cub> I
[20:48] <cub> I'm still running mir on this netbook
[20:49] <OvenWerks> Still updates every day?
[20:49] <cub> I don't know..will run an update now
[20:49] <OvenWerks> It's the weekend, so maybe not... though there have been other things.
[20:50] <OvenWerks> I have been working on our menu and uploading it to my PPA.. so doing upgrades, seem to get other things almost every time.
[20:51] <Hypnotoad> Mir team is all Canonical, so the channel drops dead at least.
[20:51] <cub> no new mir, just kernel and some other minor stuff
[20:51] <OvenWerks> have you tried MIR with lowlatency kernel?
[20:52] <cub> yes running it since yesterday on my asus eee pc 900
[20:52] <OvenWerks> does it make any difference? only a worry if it does :)
[20:52] <cub> just ordinary surfing and office use so far so no audio or other more studio like things
[20:53] <cub> it's just the login screen that flashes, once logged in I see no difference
[20:53] <cub> the previous lag is gone
[20:53] <OvenWerks> Good.
[20:53] <cub> use about the same resources as before it seems
[20:54] <OvenWerks> So it seems to biggest hurdle is getting around the idea that X is magical
[20:54] <cub> yes, and multi monitor
[20:55] <OvenWerks> I am sure that will come
[20:55] <cub> oh yeah, might be quite soon
[20:56] <cub> they seems to have taken in all the comments from the xubuntu team
[20:57] <OvenWerks> xubuntu has been really good about testing. I don't think it will go far if it is a vanilla only ting
[20:59] <OvenWerks> besides testing with a made for x desktop covers all the areas unity is not even trying to deal with
[21:01] <cub> I'd like to have time to do more in depth testing, like editing videos and see if it's any different
[21:02] <OvenWerks> Those are some of the things that will have to happen before it goes on studio
[21:02] <cub> but antoher day tomorrow! Better get to bed. :)
[21:02] <OvenWerks> GN
[21:02] <cub> Until tomorrow OvenWerks, GN
[23:29] <OvenWerks> Whatever was done to the kernel from 3.8 to 3.11 my USB audio runs really solid at -p64. It's tube pre with limiter sounds really nice with guitarix. The only xruns were when changing presets.
[23:34] <OvenWerks> running kubuntu with ubuntustudio metas installed plus LL kernel. no settings changed. 10 year + old P4 single core with 2.5G ram.