[00:02] <Hyuri> sorry, had to switch PC
[03:50] <voland> exit
[05:44] <Th3-Bl4ck-Sh4rk> Bonjour !
[10:31] <munthe> "Linux for creative humans" - what does that mean? Linux is the kernel. Ubuntu is the OS. Built on GNU/Linux.
[10:33] <munthe> No GNU - no libraries that make up an operating system.
[10:33] <munthe> I vote for "GNU/Linux for creative humans".
[10:55] <Hyuri> munthe: i second
[10:57] <munthe> Is there a way to remove that boot screen?
[10:58] <smartboyhw> munthe, no.
[10:58] <munthe> I use Ubuntu Studio with my students and they get confused after I explai GNU/Linux to them.
[10:58] <smartboyhw> If you remove it, you can't boot.
[10:58] <smartboyhw> munthe, and really, GNU/Linux will file suits at us if we call it GNU/Linux
[10:58] <munthe> Can I replace it?
[10:58] <smartboyhw> Since for GNU, they need a completely free OS
[10:58] <smartboyhw> Ubuntu isn't one
[10:58] <smartboyhw> munthe, I think so...
[10:59] <munthe> No, Stallman has called for Canonical to call Ubuntu GNU/Linux many times.
[11:00] <munthe> It's not logical to name it Linux since Linux is the kernel and GNU libraries is what makes the OS.
[11:01] <Hyuri> yes, the only thing is that you won't be able to get a page on FSF showing ubuntu studio as completely free software
[11:01] <Hyuri> other than that, they will be very happy
[11:01] <smartboyhw> munthe, Hyuri OK。。。
[11:01] <smartboyhw> I will talk to our project lead on this
[11:01] <smartboyhw> And our main dev guy
[11:02] <Hyuri> appreciated
[11:03] <Hyuri> =)
[11:06] <smartboyhw> Hyuri, it would be greatly appreciated if you report a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+filebug for this
[11:07] <Hyuri> ok
[11:07] <Hyuri> munthe: you are good in writing in english?
[11:07] <munthe> Thanks! It is a GNU/Linux based OS with non-free components.
[11:08] <Hyuri> i am not a native
[11:08] <munthe> Yes. I'm ok writing english. :)
[11:08] <munthe> Me neither. I'm Swedish.
[11:08] <Hyuri> haha
[11:11] <Hyuri> i think i am not good at writing formal things in english, could munthe do that?
[11:13] <smartboyhw> Hyuri, munthe if you can't do it then I will do it myself.
[11:13] <munthe> I can write it in a few hours.
[11:13] <smartboyhw> munthe, Hyuri then I will do it:)
[11:14] <Hyuri> smartboyhw: ok, sorry =/
[11:14] <munthe> thanks smartboyfw
[11:14] <Hyuri> and thanks...
[11:17] <xequence> munthe: Not everyone knows what GNU is. Everyone understands what you mean, when you call an OS Linux. Besides, only one of the alternatives look good as a slogan
[11:19] <munthe> Everyone should know what GNU is since it is the basic set that makes up Free software that enables Ubuntu Studio. :)
[11:19] <xequence> they will if they read about what Ubuntu Studio is
[11:20] <smartboyhw> munthe, unfortunately, they DON'T.
[11:20] <munthe> The Free Software Foundation has earned their respect from us - I think.
[11:20] <xequence> http://ubuntustudio.org/about-ubuntustudio/
[11:21] <xequence> Linux, while not correctly used, is often regarded as the name for these types of OSs. So, it's quite correct to use that word in simple language
[11:22] <xequence> so, to repeat myself "Not everyone knows what GNU is. Everyone understands what you mean, when you call an OS Linux. Besides, only one of the  alternatives look good as a slogan
[11:22] <munthe> Yes I know. And it's wrong. The GNU/Linux community have no reason to think in market hype terms.
[11:23] <munthe> If people have no clue we have to tech them.
[11:23] <xequence> if someone wants to know more, it's not hard to find out
[11:23] <munthe> Knowledge is power.
[11:23] <Hyuri> yes... the simple minded are hard to deal
[11:24] <Hyuri> i think we need to correct ourselves and teach them too. but, they don't even know where the water they drink comes from...
[11:25] <Hyuri> so, is better to have them using and supporting the "good causes" like free software even if they don't know nothing what is it than they using the other side
[11:25] <Hyuri> IMO
[11:25] <Hyuri> do you understand what i mean?
[11:27] <Hyuri> [offtopic: how do i call people like "hey guys" but universally? other day i said "hey guys" in a conversaion that had a girl and she got angry]
[11:38] <Hyuri> conversation*
[11:43] <munthe> Agree, Hyuri
[11:44] <munthe> It's actually a much bigger job to replace the GNU libraries in Ubuntu Studio than to replace the kernel.
[11:44] <munthe> Hurd, BSD...
[11:45] <munthe> That's why Android is such a major undertaking - removing the GNU stuff
[11:47] <Hyuri> interesting... didin't know about the Android side
[11:48] <munthe> You could in theory replace the BSD kernel in OS X with the Linux kernel. Does that make OS X "Linux for creative humans"?
[11:49] <munthe> Android is Googles libraries on top of the Linux kernel
[11:49] <Hyuri> GoogleLibs/Linux :)
[11:49] <munthe> Mostly under the GPL. That's why Stallman actually endorses a free version of Android called Replicant.
[11:51] <smartboyhw> munthe, Hyuri so what is xequence's decision?
[11:51] <munthe> I suspect that Ubuntu Studio doesn't have persmission to use "Linux". It's a trademark.
[11:52] <munthe> But Linux has said he will never protect his rights to the TM.
[11:53] <Hyuri> i suspect he will keep only "Linux"
[11:53] <smartboyhw> munthe: 1. The person is Linus Torvalds, not Linux and 2. "Linux" is at least a correct and easier-understanding word for our slogan.
[11:53] <Hyuri> because of the market
[11:54] <smartboyhw> Hyuri: munthe: As an Ubuntu Studio team member, I will respect upon and follow our project leader (xequence)'s decision.
[11:54] <Hyuri> *
[11:54] <Hyuri> marketing*
[11:55] <Hyuri> ok, i think the problem is deeper
[11:56] <munthe> Linus owns the Linux TM personally.
[11:56] <munthe> And I know that Shuttleworth doesn't want to associate with GNU and the FSF - which is unfortunate. "Standing on the sholders of giants"
[11:57] <smartboyhw> munthe: If we can't use it, everyone will be having trouble describing their OS, not just us
[11:57] <Hyuri> after people looking at "Ubuntu. Linux for human beings", they will probably understand instantly that "Ubuntu Studio. Linux for creative humans" is the same but with a content-creation focus or so
[11:58] <smartboyhw> Well, yes.
[11:58] <munthe> I'm actually producing a feature length documentaru using GNU/Linux Ubuntu Studio about the subject matter. It may change the lead devs mind. :)
[11:58] <smartboyhw> munthe: oh?
[12:00] <munthe> After 0 years in the industry I'm leaving the proprietary stuff behind. :)
[12:00] <munthe> 20
[12:01] <Hyuri> that's great munthe
[12:01] <Hyuri> i don't have years in the industry, but i am leaving the proprietary stuff behind too
[12:01] <munthe> A political choice.
[12:02] <Hyuri> mine is what i call a sane choice
[12:02] <Hyuri> hehe
[12:02] <munthe> perhaps the same thing. ;)
[12:02] <Hyuri> =)
[12:03] <Hyuri> have you watched "Revolution OS" and "The Code"?
[12:03] <munthe> Does anyone know how large the Ubuntu Studio community is?
[12:03] <munthe> Yes. I've watched them.
[12:04] <Hyuri> smartboyhw, have you watched?
[12:05] <Hyuri> good to explain people some things...
[12:05] <Hyuri> hehe
[12:05] <Hyuri> i don't know how large is the community
[13:03] <xequence> muntq
[13:03] <xequence> argh
[14:05] <Guest48769> Hi I am trying to learn about making musik with seq24 using this tutorial: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToSeq24Introduction but I can not connect Hydrogen and ZynAddSubFx to ALSA PCM because there is no ALSA PCM entry in the writeble clients list... is that normal if not how can i fix that?
[14:06] <xequence> Guest48769: You're using jack, right?
[14:07] <xequence> Guest48769: usually, the audio device is named "system"
[14:07] <Guest48769> yes....
[14:07] <xequence> if you're using qjackctl, and look under Connect, that is
[14:08] <Guest48769> just for understanding: I connected Hydrogen and zynaddsubfx to the audio hardware right?
[14:10] <xequence> Guest48769: Usually, most applications auto connect to the writable out
[14:10] <xequence> which is usually named "system"
[14:12] <Guest48769> do I have to change something for getting seq24 listed in the ALSA-MIDI list or at least in an othe list of the three i get when I click the connections button in the jack audio connection kit?
[14:12] <xequence> I've never used seq24, sorry
[14:12] <xequence> you could ask more about that in #opensourcemusicians
[14:13] <Guest48769> ok thank you i will try it there...
[19:20] <caodepalha> hi everyone
[19:21] <caodepalha> i need a little help here with an issue with harrison mixbus
[19:27] <caodepalha> hi everyone
[19:27] <caodepalha> hi everyone
[19:27] <caodepalha> i need a little help here with an issue with harrison mixbus
[19:29] <Hyuri> hello
[19:29] <Hyuri> i don't know if i can help, but tell your problem, so people here can help you
[19:31] <caodepalha> ok thanks
[19:32] <caodepalha> well when i start harrison mixbus i get an error message:  audiosetup value for dither is missing data
[19:33] <wilee-nilee> caodepalha, #rd party installs are technically not supported, however if someone knows you may get help.
[19:34] <wilee-nilee> 3rd
[19:35] <caodepalha> i get the same message with ardour
[19:35] <caodepalha> when starting
[19:39] <OvenWerks> what audio IF are you using?
[19:39] <Hyuri> tried this?
[19:39] <Hyuri> http://community.ardour.org/node/1803
[19:40] <caodepalha> thank you
[19:41] <caodepalha> do you know if the sugested solution will alow me to record again?
[19:41] <caodepalha> everything was fine and i was able to do recordings
[19:41] <caodepalha> now i cant even arm a track
[19:42] <Hyuri> any modifications in between?
[19:42] <caodepalha> what kind of modifications?
[19:43] <Hyuri> settings, installations, any related to these programs?
[19:43] <caodepalha> well since i found this problem i went and changed the settings on jack trying to resolve it
[19:45] <Hyuri> modifications before the problems started to happed i mean, sorry
[19:46] <caodepalha> nothing a can think of
[19:46] <caodepalha> it all happened when i installed mixbus
[19:48] <caodepalha> my friend i think your sugestion got it fixed
[19:48] <caodepalha> gratefull
[19:49] <Hyuri> great
[21:46] <holstein> next time that comes up, there is a mixbus channel
[21:46] <holstein> away
[21:46] <holstein> if someone can catch the user
[21:49] <OvenWerks> holstein: I'll try to remember that.
[21:50] <holstein> OvenWerks: lemme find it..
[21:50] <OvenWerks> Under harris?
[21:50] <holstein> OvenWerks: its #ardour-mixbus
[21:51] <OvenWerks> That makes sense
[21:51] <holstein> OvenWerks: it has been active in the past as well
[21:52] <OvenWerks> If they put out an a3 version I think that will be the time I buy it.... if finace permits
[21:53] <OvenWerks> *finance
[21:53] <OvenWerks> Finshed work on the new menu... going to go back to settings now.
[21:54] <OvenWerks> Will try to get rid of xfce session so people can't hit it by accident