[02:39] <snadge> i accidentally typed sudu update-manager -d, then clicked upgrade
[02:39] <snadge> sudo even
[02:40] <SonikkuAmerica> snadge: Kill it!
[02:41] <SonikkuAmerica> snadge: UNLESS YOU FINISHED GETTING NEW PACKAGES.
[02:41] <snadge> its installing them
[02:41] <SonikkuAmerica> snadge: >sigh< Welcome to Ubuntu 13.10 Saucy Salamander Dev Branch. How can we help you?
[02:42] <snadge> is fglrx working at the moment?
[02:42] <SonikkuAmerica> Not sure...
[02:42] <snadge> soon i will know
[02:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Actually, there isn't a saucy driver package yet, so it'll hold on to raring. But (if you're running Unity or XFCE) be ready for Mir.
[02:44] <snadge> actually running gnome classic at the moment
[02:44] <SonikkuAmerica> As in 3.8 Classic Mode?
[02:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Or gnome-session-fallback?
[02:44] <snadge> i think its the fallback
[02:44] <SonikkuAmerica> snadge: You can kiss that goodbye.
[02:45] <snadge> oh dear
[02:45] <SonikkuAmerica> No biggie, we have GNOME 3.8 in the repos, just get the gnome-shell and gnome-shell-extensions packages, and enable GNOME Classic Mode at login.
[02:45] <SonikkuAmerica> (Repos for 13.10)
[02:46] <snadge> im actually okay with it.. i mostly used gnome fallback for performance reasons
[02:46] <TheDrums> (Xubuntu is undecided on XMir.)
[02:46] <snadge> better framerates with games
[02:47] <snadge> using a non composited desktop
[02:47] <SonikkuAmerica> TheDrums: Oh? I thought that was decided upon.
[02:47] <SonikkuAmerica> Last I checked they were going to test it
[02:47] <TheDrums> Test != confirmed.
[02:47] <snadge> one of the main reasons i like unity, at least in the versions im familiar with.. is that it mostly works the same way as a classic gnome desktop anyway
[02:48] <SonikkuAmerica> Eye != Face
[02:48] <snadge> same/similar shortcuts etc
[02:48] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah.
[02:48] <SonikkuAmerica> But GNOME is the real GNOME, and Unity is... well, Unity.
[02:48] <TheDrums> SonikkuAmerica: http://open.knome.fi/2013/08/07/dont-panic-the-state-of-xubuntu-and-mir/
[02:49] <SonikkuAmerica> TheDrums: Speaking of I should catch up with knome soon.
[02:49] <snadge> i can switch between classic gnome and unity more easily than gnome 3
[02:50] <SonikkuAmerica> Well at least now... have you tried MATE?
[02:51] <snadge> no.. the simplest reason i can give for that is, i haven't found the need to
[02:52] <snadge> between classic gnome and unity.. im pretty happy
[02:54] <snadge> gnome 3 im not terribly fussed about.. i could use it if i was forced to, but all the gnome 3 shell seems to do for me is.. solidy justify the reason for unity's existence in the first place
[02:54] <snadge> the desktop shell im talking about.. obviously the majority of the components are shared
[02:56] <snadge> apparently it takes a while to install 1860 or so packages
[02:58] <snadge> its odd when people on the internet have something nice to say about the unity interface isnt it? :p
[03:00] <wilee-nilee> snadge, This is support not your opinion based of projected confirmation bias.
[03:00] <wilee-nilee> on*
[03:04] <snadge> ok maybe the subject will revert back to support, after i reboot
[03:20] <snadge> happy days, updating to saucy fixed my video playback problem.. rather unconventional way to do it .. *shrug*
[03:23] <snadge> actually no it didn't, it removed totem, which turns out to be the problem
[10:52] <root____> hey
[11:01] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:17] <penguin42> nested kvm doesn't seem to work for me in +1
[14:21] <ikonia> penguin42: by nested I assume you mean a vm within a vm
[14:27] <penguin42> ikonia: Nod
[14:28] <penguin42> ikonia: I've had it work in the past (Quantal maybe?)
[14:28] <penguin42> or was it precise
[14:28] <ikonia> penguin42: to be honest, I've never seen KVM work well in that situation at all, the only one that seems to do nested virtualization properly is vmware's enterprise offering
[14:28] <ikonia> penguin42: the kvm capability is hit and miss
[14:28] <penguin42> and vmware say it's unsupported!
[14:28] <ikonia> penguin42: I wouldn't be surprised if that was just the current upstream state
[14:29] <ikonia> penguin42: it is on the enterprise platform, their own classes/labs/courses use if for teaching, properly not supported for production use, and rightly so
[14:29] <penguin42> ikonia: Ah it was precise I had it working - just worked; https://plus.google.com/118251468822440261663/posts/iTUY7DrAuET
[14:30] <ikonia> penguin42: it's just really hit and miss from my own experience,
[14:30] <penguin42> nod
[14:30] <ikonia> penguin42: I had it working in Fedora 17 - but 18/19 - problematic
[14:31] <penguin42> yeh I guess similar release dates/times
[14:31] <ikonia> looking at some of the changes made, at the time I suspect it's getting re-done proeprly as it was never %100
[14:32] <ikonia> but I don't know that for a fact obviously
[14:33] <penguin42> ikonia: I wanted to play around with migration but only have the one VT capable host
[14:36] <ikonia> a problem I grant you
[14:41] <BluesKaj> VB seemed ok at first on Kubuntu 13.10 , with W7 as guest OS with guest additions , but as the windows updates piled up W7 just got slower and clunkier on this 5yr old pc
[14:42] <BluesKaj> so i decided to keep the W7 HDD instead of using a VM
[14:43] <ikonia> BluesKaj: doing nested vm's ?
[14:45] <BluesKaj> ikonia, I'm not familiar with that term
[14:46] <penguin42> BluesKaj: VM inside a VM
[14:46] <penguin42> there's probably a real machine somewhere underneat eventually.....
[14:47] <BluesKaj> penguin42, that sounds somewhat complicated
[14:48] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Well in principal when it works it's actually not much more complicated
[14:49] <penguin42> BluesKaj: after all the 1st level VM just looks like another computer and it's VM layer just looks like the top level VM layer, so as long as you remember which layer you're at and where your network is going it's not actually that much worse complexity wise
[14:50] <BluesKaj> i have a separate HDD for W7 , rather than use a partition ..it's easier for testing kubuntu
[14:52] <BluesKaj> my othe linux pc died last yr so I swapped in the old HDD on this one
[14:55] <BluesKaj> inguess being a home user I havew no real need for VMs , altho it's fun to try
[14:55] <BluesKaj> err I guess
[14:55] <penguin42> well it's good to try stuff out and also I've run encrypted VMs before
[14:56] <penguin42> also I tend to do banking stuff from a VM booted off an iso
[15:10] <BluesKaj> suddenly browsers seem really slow to load. Not sure if it's new 2Wire router/modem , altho the internet speed seems the same ...could be dns servers ?
[15:11] <BluesKaj> guess I should check 13.04 to compare
[15:11] <ikonia> BluesKaj: good test, put an entry in the host file, browse to that site
[15:12] <BluesKaj> ikonia, ok , will do , thanks
[15:12] <ikonia> BluesKaj: work backwards from there, try not to pick someone like google that has huge loadbalancd estates
[15:17] <BluesKaj> it's actually Level 3 Communications DNS 209.244.0.3 ...think it's becoming slow as well ...checked the interfaces and resolv.conf files and all seems ok there
[15:18] <BluesKaj> anyway BBIAB , checking 13.04
[15:34] <penguin42> ikonia: I also find virtmanager a bit touchy
[15:38] <ikonia> that part I can't comment on, I always find it rock solid apart from one minor/annoying bug
[15:38] <penguin42> what's that?
[15:38] <BluesKaj> yeaqh , 13.04 is much faster at loading pages . /etc/host contains 127.0.0.1	localhost ,and 127.0.1.Test-Drive < that's the name I gave to  13.10 OS partition . Why is that listed in /etc/hosts /
[15:39] <ikonia> a good question,
[15:39] <BluesKaj> 127.0.1.1 Test-Drive , actually
[15:40] <BluesKaj> so i don't need it ? 13.04 has the same listing for localhost , but has no other IP listed
[15:43] <ikonia> 127.0.X should really always be local host
[15:43] <ikonia> is your hostname test-drive on both machines ?
[15:43] <ikonia> (both instances)
[15:44] <BluesKaj> no , one is called stable drive (13.040 and the other partition is test-drive (13.10)
[15:44] <BluesKaj> err 13.04
[15:45] <ikonia> not the partition - the host name
[15:45] <BluesKaj> BBL
[15:45] <ikonia> sorry, should have been clearer
[15:50] <ikonia> !info libgsm1
[17:46] <BluesKaj> had a small chore to do...cut some maple branches that were getting close to the roof .
[17:46] <BluesKaj> I went with opendns , but i don't see any load speed changes in FF
[17:50] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Use wireshark to see what's going on - is it really dns that's the problem?
[17:51] <BluesKaj> penguin42, not absolutely sure , but it's the only setting that's changed since the the new router install
[17:51] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Still, wireshark is your friend
[17:53] <BluesKaj> not too enthusiastic about tackling the likes of wireshark penguin42 :)
[17:54] <penguin42> wireshark is great!
[18:08] <BluesKaj> really ? " it can't capture any interfaces with my present configuration"
[18:31] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Oh yeh  your choice is either to add yourself to a group I always forget, or run it as root which it always compalins you shouldn't
[23:58] <snadge> ok im back now.. i've done an update-manager -d / click Upgrade.. from raring to saucy
[23:58] <snadge> first of all.. smashing job everyone.. that was probably the least eventful upgrade in history
[23:59] <snadge> i was warned about this mir stuff though.. and it seems i've somehow avoided it
[23:59] <Daekdroom> It's still not on by default, I think
[23:59] <snadge> should i be installing this and playing with it? .. or should i just leave it well alone ;)
[23:59] <Daekdroom> (and when it is, it won't be for every driver/hardware out there)