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=== SonikkuAmerica is now known as ColRobertHogan
=== ColRobertHogan is now known as SonikkuAmerica
snadgei accidentally typed sudu update-manager -d, then clicked upgrade02:39
snadgesudo even02:39
SonikkuAmericasnadge: Kill it!02:40
SonikkuAmericasnadge: UNLESS YOU FINISHED GETTING NEW PACKAGES.02:41
snadgeits installing them02:41
SonikkuAmericasnadge: >sigh< Welcome to Ubuntu 13.10 Saucy Salamander Dev Branch. How can we help you?02:41
snadgeis fglrx working at the moment?02:42
SonikkuAmericaNot sure...02:42
snadgesoon i will know02:42
SonikkuAmericaActually, there isn't a saucy driver package yet, so it'll hold on to raring. But (if you're running Unity or XFCE) be ready for Mir.02:43
snadgeactually running gnome classic at the moment02:44
SonikkuAmericaAs in 3.8 Classic Mode?02:44
SonikkuAmericaOr gnome-session-fallback?02:44
snadgei think its the fallback02:44
SonikkuAmericasnadge: You can kiss that goodbye.02:44
snadgeoh dear02:45
SonikkuAmericaNo biggie, we have GNOME 3.8 in the repos, just get the gnome-shell and gnome-shell-extensions packages, and enable GNOME Classic Mode at login.02:45
SonikkuAmerica(Repos for 13.10)02:45
snadgeim actually okay with it.. i mostly used gnome fallback for performance reasons02:46
TheDrums(Xubuntu is undecided on XMir.)02:46
snadgebetter framerates with games02:46
snadgeusing a non composited desktop02:47
SonikkuAmericaTheDrums: Oh? I thought that was decided upon.02:47
SonikkuAmericaLast I checked they were going to test it02:47
TheDrumsTest != confirmed.02:47
snadgeone of the main reasons i like unity, at least in the versions im familiar with.. is that it mostly works the same way as a classic gnome desktop anyway02:47
SonikkuAmericaEye != Face02:48
snadgesame/similar shortcuts etc02:48
SonikkuAmericaYeah.02:48
SonikkuAmericaBut GNOME is the real GNOME, and Unity is... well, Unity.02:48
TheDrumsSonikkuAmerica: http://open.knome.fi/2013/08/07/dont-panic-the-state-of-xubuntu-and-mir/02:48
SonikkuAmericaTheDrums: Speaking of I should catch up with knome soon.02:49
snadgei can switch between classic gnome and unity more easily than gnome 302:49
SonikkuAmericaWell at least now... have you tried MATE?02:50
snadgeno.. the simplest reason i can give for that is, i haven't found the need to02:51
snadgebetween classic gnome and unity.. im pretty happy02:52
snadgegnome 3 im not terribly fussed about.. i could use it if i was forced to, but all the gnome 3 shell seems to do for me is.. solidy justify the reason for unity's existence in the first place02:54
snadgethe desktop shell im talking about.. obviously the majority of the components are shared02:54
snadgeapparently it takes a while to install 1860 or so packages02:56
snadgeits odd when people on the internet have something nice to say about the unity interface isnt it? :p02:58
wilee-nileesnadge, This is support not your opinion based of projected confirmation bias.03:00
wilee-nileeon*03:00
snadgeok maybe the subject will revert back to support, after i reboot03:04
snadgehappy days, updating to saucy fixed my video playback problem.. rather unconventional way to do it .. *shrug*03:20
snadgeactually no it didn't, it removed totem, which turns out to be the problem03:23
root____hey10:52
BluesKajHiyas all11:01
penguin42nested kvm doesn't seem to work for me in +114:17
ikoniapenguin42: by nested I assume you mean a vm within a vm14:21
penguin42ikonia: Nod14:27
penguin42ikonia: I've had it work in the past (Quantal maybe?)14:28
penguin42or was it precise14:28
ikoniapenguin42: to be honest, I've never seen KVM work well in that situation at all, the only one that seems to do nested virtualization properly is vmware's enterprise offering14:28
ikoniapenguin42: the kvm capability is hit and miss14:28
penguin42and vmware say it's unsupported!14:28
ikoniapenguin42: I wouldn't be surprised if that was just the current upstream state14:28
ikoniapenguin42: it is on the enterprise platform, their own classes/labs/courses use if for teaching, properly not supported for production use, and rightly so14:29
penguin42ikonia: Ah it was precise I had it working - just worked; https://plus.google.com/118251468822440261663/posts/iTUY7DrAuET14:29
ikoniapenguin42: it's just really hit and miss from my own experience,14:30
penguin42nod14:30
ikoniapenguin42: I had it working in Fedora 17 - but 18/19 - problematic14:30
penguin42yeh I guess similar release dates/times14:31
ikonialooking at some of the changes made, at the time I suspect it's getting re-done proeprly as it was never %10014:31
ikoniabut I don't know that for a fact obviously14:32
penguin42ikonia: I wanted to play around with migration but only have the one VT capable host14:33
ikoniaa problem I grant you14:36
BluesKajVB seemed ok at first on Kubuntu 13.10 , with W7 as guest OS with guest additions , but as the windows updates piled up W7 just got slower and clunkier on this 5yr old pc14:41
BluesKajso i decided to keep the W7 HDD instead of using a VM14:42
ikoniaBluesKaj: doing nested vm's ?14:43
BluesKajikonia, I'm not familiar with that term14:45
penguin42BluesKaj: VM inside a VM14:46
penguin42there's probably a real machine somewhere underneat eventually.....14:46
BluesKajpenguin42, that sounds somewhat complicated14:47
penguin42BluesKaj: Well in principal when it works it's actually not much more complicated14:48
penguin42BluesKaj: after all the 1st level VM just looks like another computer and it's VM layer just looks like the top level VM layer, so as long as you remember which layer you're at and where your network is going it's not actually that much worse complexity wise14:49
BluesKaji have a separate HDD for W7 , rather than use a partition ..it's easier for testing kubuntu14:50
BluesKajmy othe linux pc died last yr so I swapped in the old HDD on this one14:52
BluesKajinguess being a home user I havew no real need for VMs , altho it's fun to try14:55
BluesKajerr I guess14:55
penguin42well it's good to try stuff out and also I've run encrypted VMs before14:55
penguin42also I tend to do banking stuff from a VM booted off an iso14:56
BluesKajsuddenly browsers seem really slow to load. Not sure if it's new 2Wire router/modem , altho the internet speed seems the same ...could be dns servers ?15:10
BluesKajguess I should check 13.04 to compare15:11
ikoniaBluesKaj: good test, put an entry in the host file, browse to that site15:11
BluesKajikonia, ok , will do , thanks15:12
ikoniaBluesKaj: work backwards from there, try not to pick someone like google that has huge loadbalancd estates15:12
BluesKajit's actually Level 3 Communications DNS 209.244.0.3 ...think it's becoming slow as well ...checked the interfaces and resolv.conf files and all seems ok there15:17
BluesKajanyway BBIAB , checking 13.0415:18
penguin42ikonia: I also find virtmanager a bit touchy15:34
ikoniathat part I can't comment on, I always find it rock solid apart from one minor/annoying bug15:38
penguin42what's that?15:38
BluesKajyeaqh , 13.04 is much faster at loading pages . /etc/host contains 127.0.0.1localhost ,and 127.0.1.Test-Drive < that's the name I gave to  13.10 OS partition . Why is that listed in /etc/hosts /15:38
ikoniaa good question,15:39
BluesKaj127.0.1.1 Test-Drive , actually15:39
BluesKajso i don't need it ? 13.04 has the same listing for localhost , but has no other IP listed15:40
ikonia127.0.X should really always be local host15:43
ikoniais your hostname test-drive on both machines ?15:43
ikonia(both instances)15:43
BluesKajno , one is called stable drive (13.040 and the other partition is test-drive (13.10)15:44
BluesKajerr 13.0415:44
ikonianot the partition - the host name15:45
BluesKajBBL15:45
ikoniasorry, should have been clearer15:45
ikonia!info libgsm115:50
ubottulibgsm1 (source: libgsm): Shared libraries for GSM speech compressor. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.13-4 (saucy), package size 26 kB, installed size 102 kB15:50
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BluesKajhad a small chore to do...cut some maple branches that were getting close to the roof .17:46
BluesKajI went with opendns , but i don't see any load speed changes in FF17:46
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penguin42BluesKaj: Use wireshark to see what's going on - is it really dns that's the problem?17:50
BluesKajpenguin42, not absolutely sure , but it's the only setting that's changed since the the new router install17:51
penguin42BluesKaj: Still, wireshark is your friend17:51
BluesKajnot too enthusiastic about tackling the likes of wireshark penguin42 :)17:53
penguin42wireshark is great!17:54
BluesKajreally ? " it can't capture any interfaces with my present configuration"18:08
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penguin42BluesKaj: Oh yeh  your choice is either to add yourself to a group I always forget, or run it as root which it always compalins you shouldn't18:31
snadgeok im back now.. i've done an update-manager -d / click Upgrade.. from raring to saucy23:58
snadgefirst of all.. smashing job everyone.. that was probably the least eventful upgrade in history23:58
snadgei was warned about this mir stuff though.. and it seems i've somehow avoided it23:59
DaekdroomIt's still not on by default, I think23:59
snadgeshould i be installing this and playing with it? .. or should i just leave it well alone ;)23:59
Daekdroom(and when it is, it won't be for every driver/hardware out there)23:59

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