[00:58] <genii> Like we don't already know :-)
[12:35] <ikonia> syko back as the_I be aware
[13:56] <jrib> what's our policy on elementary support?  Is it a completely different distro or ...?
[13:56] <jrib> never mind :)
[14:12] <DJones>  qwebirc33702> the elementary admin tell me go to Ubuntu and Ubuntu tell me to go on elementary
[14:12] <ikonia> I doubt that a lot
[14:12] <DJones> Great support from the OS's own channel
[14:12] <ikonia> I doubt they said that
[14:12] <DJones> I suspect its just somebody in the channel that may have said it, not an 'admin' as such
[14:13] <ikonia> I suspect no-one said it, it's a quiet channel, he wasn't getting help so is bluffing
[14:13] <DJones> Right, its not somewhere I've ever joined, but I would expect it will be a quiet channel
[14:14] <ikonia> just checked
[14:14] <ikonia> the admin did tell him to join #ubuntu
[14:14] <ikonia> sort of implied the people in the channel where not up to supporting it
[14:14] <DJones> Thats good of them
[14:15] <ikonia> 14:51 <@teemperor> qwebirc33702: no idea how to solve it then :s
[14:15] <ikonia> 14:52 <@teemperor> qwebirc33702: hmm, type /join #ubuntu, maybe someone can help you there (elementary OS is based on ubuntu, so maybe that helps)
[14:53] <GiGaHuRtZ> Ummm what?
[14:53] <GiGaHuRtZ> I did nothing to be kicked from #kubuntu
[14:54] <GiGaHuRtZ> ikonia has had a grudge against me for over a few weeks now, showing it in ##linux, #freenode, etc after originally banning me in #ubuntu (i dont care about that ban)
[14:54] <GiGaHuRtZ> So, who is over in rank/status of ikonia
[14:56] <GiGaHuRtZ> Because I am trying to ignore him, yet he keeps instigating, then when I say something he does not like, even though its not against the channel rules, he bans me. Hes even tried getting me banned from channels he has no permissions in, and the ops just told him to stop the crap and ended up kicking (maybe even banning) him
[14:56] <ikonia> please don't lie
[14:56] <ikonia> I've not been kicked or banned from any channel
[14:56] <GiGaHuRtZ> I have plenty of logs, but it is not neccesary. I just would like my ban removed
[14:56] <ikonia> one of the operators will be along to deal with your ban
[14:56] <GiGaHuRtZ> ikonia: sure you have
[14:56] <ikonia> please show me a log of being kicked / banned from a channel
[14:56] <GiGaHuRtZ> ikonia: im not lying, im looking right now at the log
[14:57] <ikonia> please show me the log then
[14:57] <GiGaHuRtZ> You just dont probably remember because I was using a different nick most likely when you chased me into ##linux
[14:57] <ikonia> please show me the log of me getting kicked or banned
[14:57] <GiGaHuRtZ> I wont publish logs because freenode policy is to error on thew side of not doing so
[14:57] <ikonia> if you're looking at it now, it should be easy to show
[14:57] <ikonia> no it's not
[14:57] <GiGaHuRtZ> You know what you did
[14:57] <ikonia> you have my full concent
[14:57] <GiGaHuRtZ> Yes it is
[14:57] <ikonia> please publish it
[14:58] <ikonia> just the line of me getting kicked or banned will be enough
[14:58] <GiGaHuRtZ> ikonia: ?Im not arguing with you anymore. you are full of crap and have a grudge and you know it
[14:58] <ikonia> ahhh, ok, so lies continue
[14:58] <GiGaHuRtZ> So, back to /iugnore you go
[14:58] <GiGaHuRtZ> Lies continue? only lies here are from you
[14:58] <ikonia> GiGaHuRtZ: then show me the line where I'm kicked/banned
[14:58] <GiGaHuRtZ> So, any other ops here that I can deal with?
[14:59] <ikonia> one will be along shortly
[14:59] <GiGaHuRtZ> Now that I ignored this troll of an op
[14:59] <ikonia> GiGaHuRtZ: then show me the line where I'm kicked/banned
[14:59] <ikonia> GiGaHuRtZ: name calling does not help
[14:59] <ikonia> false accusations do not help
[14:59] <ikonia> I advise you to just be clear and honest
[14:59] <GiGaHuRtZ> jayne: are you around? actyually I know you arde
[14:59] <ikonia> you need to really speak to an ubuntu op
[14:59] <ikonia> not a freenode staff member
[15:00] <GiGaHuRtZ> ikonia: shes in this channel
[15:00] <ikonia> freenode staff members ony step in if it's an emergency and ubuntu ops are not around
[15:00] <GiGaHuRtZ> Othert than that, you are ignored
[15:00] <ikonia> GiGaHuRtZ: I'm aware she's in the hcannel
[15:00] <ikonia> channel
[15:00] <GiGaHuRtZ> then give me a list of who are kubuntu ops
[15:00] <ikonia> however staff only step in to emergency situations if ubuntu ops are not around
[15:00] <GiGaHuRtZ> not #ubuntu ops
[15:00] <GiGaHuRtZ> If you wont, then just stop taLKING
[15:00] <ikonia> #ubuntu/#kubuntu ops are the same people
[15:01] <GiGaHuRtZ> The issue doesnt apply to #ubuntu
[15:01] <ikonia> GiGaHuRtZ: the sooner you realise I'm giving you the information you need, and stop talking to me like a dog the easier you'll find it
[15:01] <GiGaHuRtZ> Besides your obvious grudge
[15:01] <ikonia> GiGaHuRtZ: any of the ops in here can help you, I'm trying to find one for you
[15:01] <GiGaHuRtZ> I aint talking to you like a dog
[15:01] <GiGaHuRtZ> Im telling you to stop instigating the issue
[15:01] <GiGaHuRtZ> Cause that is all you ever do with me
[15:01] <jayne> GiGaHuRtZ: I'm not a named staffer for #ubuntu or #kubuntu. You probably want someone who's on the access list of whichever channel and has +o.
[15:01] <GiGaHuRtZ> jayne: ok, thank you :)
[15:02] <GiGaHuRtZ> Too bad it seems the only one available is ythe one on my mental ignore list
[15:02] <ikonia> stop referencing ignore lists
[15:02] <ikonia> it will be alot easier if you just communicate clearly and wait for an op - I'm trying to find one for you
[15:02] <ikonia> it's not helping, if you could just wait quietly, I'll try to get one for you ASAP
[15:04] <ikonia> GiGaHuRtZ: I'm really sorry, but no-one else is around/active at the moment, I can either put a note in that you want to speak to someone as soon as possible, or can go through it with you now ?
[15:05] <GiGaHuRtZ> go through what?
[15:05] <GiGaHuRtZ> I did nothing wrong in #kubuntu
[15:05] <ikonia> the reason I've just banned you and hopefully remove it
[15:05] <ikonia> I can explain that to you if you are comfortable with that,
[15:05] <GiGaHuRtZ> I would like my ban removed so I may recieve support
[15:05] <ikonia> or I can put a note for you to speak to someone else
[15:05] <GiGaHuRtZ> Go right ahead
[15:05] <ikonia> great, thank you
[15:05] <GiGaHuRtZ> Cause I dont feel like waiting
[15:06] <GiGaHuRtZ> But I am making it clear that afterwards, I wish to have no communications with you.
[15:06] <ikonia> ok - we'll leave it there then, I'm not being told the rules of the channel
[15:06] <GiGaHuRtZ> What?
[15:06] <ikonia> I suggest you wait for someone else.
[15:07] <GiGaHuRtZ> No, you said you would deal with my issue. Soi lets get down
[15:07] <GiGaHuRtZ> I wanna deal with it, with you, mono mono
[15:07] <ikonia> as there is no-one free at the moment (I tried to contact them for you) I suggest parting and re-joining after 15 minutes and seeing if someone is free
[15:07] <GiGaHuRtZ> Umm, you just said you would deal with it
[15:08] <GiGaHuRtZ> So, lets deal with it.
[15:08] <ikonia> yes, and you just told me after I unban you - you want no communication from me - I'm sorry, you dont get to dicate the terms, someone else can deal with you
[15:08] <GiGaHuRtZ> Ok thats fine
[15:08] <ikonia> I've put a note to the other ops to assist you if possible
[15:08] <GiGaHuRtZ> I will just purposefully evade your bans then
[15:08] <GiGaHuRtZ> Dumbass
[15:08] <ikonia> they are not free, so /part - and try 15 - 20 minutes
[15:08] <ikonia> jayne: I hope you can deal with that then
[15:09] <ikonia> as he seems to only believe what you say
[18:21] <ikonia> chu: well, goddard has now joined another channel just to call me names, so certainly a quality individual
[18:23] <bazhang> users like that, who join, spam and quit; I report to freenode staff
[18:24] <bazhang> once they do it in enough channels, idoru usually gets involved
[18:24] <chu> He's petty if it's come to this, that was what surprised me so much.
[18:24] <ikonia> freenode staff don't care about that
[18:25] <ikonia> it's pretty annoying as it just disrupts another channel for no reason
[18:25] <ikonia> (from that channels perspective)
[18:25] <bazhang> if its cross network, and he's spreading that link in enough channels, they do
[18:25] <ikonia> ahh he wasn't spreadin the link
[18:25] <ikonia> he posted the link in #ubuntu - was asked not to 3 times, argued it 3 times, got forwarded to here
[18:26] <ikonia> but then joins other channels to just call me a baby and /part
[18:26] <bazhang> that was the first thing he did upon entry
[18:26] <bazhang> if you mean ##linux
[18:26] <ikonia> so from the other channels point of view, it' just causes a disruption
[18:26] <ikonia> yes,
[18:26] <bazhang> he did post a link, yes
[18:26] <ikonia> did he post a link in ##linux too, I missed that, Ijust saw him call me a name and /part
[18:27] <ikonia> so he did
[18:27] <bazhang> yes. the name calling was last
[18:27] <ikonia> well, you can talk to freenode staff about it, but this sort of thing is of no concern
[18:27] <ikonia> it's not a "bad" link, it was just offtopic for #ubuntu
[18:27] <bazhang> I will
[18:27] <Pricey> Howdy
[18:27] <ikonia> good luck with it,
[18:27] <bazhang> hi
[18:28] <bazhang> goddard is cross network spamming links
[18:28] <bazhang> join, spam, quit
[18:28] <Pricey> They don't seem to be online?
[18:28] <bazhang> wonder how they keep their cloaks when they do that enough
[18:29] <ikonia> bazhang: the same way GiGaHuRtZ keeps a cloak while telling staff he's going to evade bans
[18:29] <Pricey> Do you think removal would stop the issue?
[18:29] <bazhang> for now, yes
[18:29] <ikonia> I think it's useful for GiGaHuRtZ yes, so we can see if he's trying to evade the bans, for goddard, no not really.
[18:30] <ikonia> I don't care, I'm just sad another channel gets disrupted so some guy can call names
[18:30] <ikonia> there is no need for it at all to spill into other channels
[18:30] <ikonia> the same way the lancer guy and his other 8 accounts have cloaks, it makes it hard to track them
[18:31] <ikonia> last ikonia
[18:32] <bazhang> I thought only 5 were cloaked
[18:32] <ikonia> lost track/count
[18:32] <Pricey> ikonia: You would like me to remove gigahurtz's ban so that we can see if he tries to join #ubuntu again... evading the ban placed on his cloak? This sounds silly.
[18:33] <Pricey> *remove gigathurtz's cloak
[18:33] <ikonia> Pricey: not quite no,
[18:33] <goddard> hi ikonia
[18:33] <ikonia> goddard: yes ?
[18:33] <goddard> still acting like a baby?
[18:34] <ikonia> goddard: do you want to have a normal polite conversation, or name calling ?
[18:34] <goddard> i am not name calling I am calling it like I see it
[18:34] <goddard> you kicked me because I brought up a game
[18:34] <goddard> pretty lame
[18:34] <bazhang> goddard, did you have any issue regarding #ubuntu bans?
[18:35] <Pricey> bazhang: I think that's a safe bet considering he's ban forwarded here.
[18:35] <bazhang> goddard, are you still there?
[18:35] <goddard> bazhang: im talking with ikonia at the moment
[18:36] <bazhang> Pricey, then that should be the focus of our discussion here, I would imagine
[18:36] <Pricey> bazhang: Pardon?
[18:36] <bazhang> goddard, I'll be happy to do that right now
[18:37] <bazhang> Pricey, ie, other than the name calling
[18:37] <goddard> bazhang: I will be happy to discuss it with the person that is being a nazi
[18:38] <goddard> you can't kick some one for bringing up a game and claiming it is spam
[18:38] <bazhang> goddard, that is not the way to resolve this: calling names
[18:38] <goddard> bazhang: i resolve my issues how i see fit
[18:38] <goddard> dont be so sensative
[18:38] <goddard> ikonia gave me a bad experience as an Ubuntu user for bringing up a game
[18:38] <bazhang> goddard, the ubuntu channels are for support only, not spreading links about things you find interesting
[18:39] <bazhang> any other op present at the time would have done the same
[18:39] <goddard> this whole support only thing in the ubuntu channel is crap
[18:39] <goddard> i talk in that place all the time
[18:39] <goddard> and help people
[18:39] <goddard> its both
[18:40] <bazhang> goddard, thats your view, and we have a channel for that:  #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:41] <goddard> this is so lame
[18:41] <goddard> seriously its for lames do you understand that?
[18:41] <bazhang> goddard, so regardless of your view on the channels policy, it is for support only
[18:41] <goddard> bazhang: you uphold lame rules
[18:41] <goddard> no talking in a community channel
[18:42] <bazhang> goddard, its a busy channel, and they  have been there from very early on, long before the majority of us were even ops
[18:43] <goddard> its lame dude it makes lame duck police come out of the wood work for nothing... what is a moderator even good for it is just text on a screen?
[18:44] <bazhang> there are numerous offtopic and social channels to spread links and chit chat. I suggest you avail yourself of them
[18:44] <goddard> i guess so
[18:47] <bazhang> goddard, thats clear then. Was there anything else?
[18:54] <bazhang> goddard, are you still there?
[19:21] <bazhang> goddard, if there is nothing else, please exit the channel
[19:49] <ikonia> goddard: you there ?
[20:05] <Pricey> I for one look forward to them returning to complain about their still in-effect ban.
[20:05] <ikonia> I've already sent them a pm to ask them to nudge me when they free to sort it
[20:05] <ikonia> so it's not in the "air" and it can be closed, hopefully well