[00:11] <manchicken> Whattaya know, it looks like the repartioning worked.
[00:11] <manchicken> Color me surprised.
[00:24] <manchicken> Argh... I guess it's not working.
[01:33] <manchicken> Sometimes it seems like getting a usable dev environment takes more time than the code changes themselves.
[01:42] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: Howdy
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> manchicken: hi
[01:49] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: I'm finally back on libqapt and kubuntu-debug-installer. I'm wondering if you have a changelog for the most recent commits.
[02:09] <JontheEchidna> manchicken: I've not done much since I added the dup-check to SourcesList. Been a bit busy since my employment ended, I'm afraid...
[02:09] <manchicken> I saw you did an update to the actions.
[02:09] <JontheEchidna> oh, that's probably automated changes to the translation files by the translation team
[02:10] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: I'm sorry to hear you're out of work... that kinda sucks.
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> yeah...
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> Well, school starts back up a week from tomorrow. I'll try to get another prerelese out this week.
[02:11] <JontheEchidna> Sucks, but not the end of the world. I have a few leads at uni that I'm trying to follow
[02:11] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: I've been hanging backed off of Kubuntu stuff for a while since I've been trying to switch jobs.
[02:11] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: Do you have any changes to the removal stuff that you haven't released yet?
[02:12] <JontheEchidna> Not to my knowledge\
[02:12] <JontheEchidna> there was a bug where sources entries not in the main /etc/apt/sources.list file would not be removed before re-reading all the sources fiels?
[02:12] <JontheEchidna> since the SourcesList object wasn't notified of the new files?
[02:13] <JontheEchidna> (iirc)
[02:13] <manchicken> Yes
[02:14] <JontheEchidna> Ok. I'll see about taking care of that too before 2.1 is released
[02:14] <manchicken> I'm trying to set up my VirtualBox instance for play, but it's taking a while.
[02:17] <JontheEchidna> I had an early day today, so I'm going to hop off on to bed now.
[02:23] <manchicken> Righto, later.
[05:32] <Tm_T> time to burn ppc image of saucy and see if it boots after install, hmmm
[07:31] <TheOneRing> I think I will add ffmpeg transcoding support to the next amarok windows install, can sombody advise me how to best handle the mp3lame issue? just ship it? make it somehow optional and make the user select it in the installer?
[07:31] <TheOneRing> maybe a kubuntu packager can help me :)
[07:34] <valorie> TheOneRing: early Mon. morning for most of 'em -- you might write to the kubuntu-devel list
[07:35] <valorie> that would be really cool, IMO
[07:35] <TheOneRing> kk thx
[07:35] <jussi> TheOneRing: we have an installer that pops up when an MP3 is tried to be played first time. No idea how you could do that in windows though
[07:35] <valorie> I still have a win install on this laptop so someday I can build and check amarok on it
[07:35] <TheOneRing> jussi: the thing is Im not sure about hosting deploying etc 
[07:36] <TheOneRing> only that lame is fishy :P
[07:36] <jussi> TheOneRing: ahh, yeah, not sure about that (you can see something about the feature here: http://community.kde.org/Amarok/Archives/MP3:Kubuntu_6.10 )
[07:37] <TheOneRing> kk thx
[07:37] <jussi> TheOneRing: I think the stuff is in our multiverse repo, but for other things, we have a direct download - have a look at the flashplugin package for exampler
[07:39] <TheOneRing> maybe I should just use a 3party build binary and make it somehow optional dont know
[07:39] <jussi> TheOneRing: yeah, maybe
[07:40] <jussi> but ask in #kde-devel also, methinks
[08:30] <apachelogger> ---------------->>> l10n review <<<----------------
[08:31] <valorie> feeling better, apachelogger?
[08:31] <valorie> being sick in the summer SUCKS
[08:31] <apachelogger> yes
[08:31] <apachelogger> and yes
[08:34] <shadeslayer> I did not realize apachelogger was sick :(
[08:35] <apachelogger> u did not miss me? :(
[08:36] <shadeslayer> I did, except I thought you were busy with uni
[08:38] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} and huzzahs for returning!
[08:38] <valorie> yes, you were missed
[08:58] <vassie> Hello Riddell
[08:58] <vassie> Morning all
[09:00] <vassie> @Riddell I've updated my Cantata package and uploaded it to my PPA https://launchpad.net/~vassie/+archive/ppa
[09:00] <Riddell> oh hi vassie 
[09:00] <Riddell> sorry I should have looked into that, I'll do so now
[09:00] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/19/plasma-desktopDj2376.png
[09:01] <apachelogger> oh, where's mister cake?
[09:01] <vassie> @Riddell no worries, thank you
[09:08] <Tm_T> apachelogger: nicely all in german?
[09:09] <apachelogger> [10:30:37] <apachelogger> ---------------->>> l10n review <<<----------------
[09:09] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/19/plasma-desktopuD2376.png is it me or is that a non-oxygen color on the progress bar?
[09:10] <valorie> I've never seen that color in KDE before
[09:11] <Riddell> vassie: why this change? http://paste.kde.org/pdd2730bc/
[09:11] <valorie> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Oxygen/Style#Color_Usage
[09:11] <valorie> maybe that's the middle blue in vibrant
[09:13] <apachelogger> well it's not the progressbar color anyway
[09:13] <Riddell> vassie: you added empty README.Debian and README.source files?
[09:13] <apachelogger> ubiquity actually as another visual identity problem WRT oxygen
[09:13] <apachelogger> totally not sure why though
[09:13] <apachelogger> e.g. the language dropdown has a white background
[09:13] <vassie> Riddell: That CMake option was replaced https://code.google.com/p/cantata/source/browse/release/1.1.0/INSTALL
[09:14] <vassie> Riddell: I pulled down the source for 1.0.3 then updated it
[09:14] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/19/002.png
[09:14] <apachelogger> oh actually that may be oxygenish after all, the scollbar makes it look weird
[09:15] <apachelogger> and color again is darker
[09:15] <apachelogger> something overrides the scheme
[09:15] <apachelogger> :(
[09:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: is it known that in saucy one cannot reboot from lightdm?
[09:18] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/19/plasma-desktopbm2376.png
[09:20] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/19/plasma-desktopJN2376.png l10n fail
[09:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am having a lot of problems with discover
[09:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm I've not noticed the no reboot issue before but I do have it too
[09:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's up with Muon Discover?
[09:29] <apachelogger> solid/logind/upstart madness I suppose
[09:29] <Riddell> besides the l10n fail
[09:29] <apachelogger> l10n fail is pretty substantial :P
[09:29] <Riddell> but fixable I hope. JontheEchidna?
[09:30] <apachelogger> let me past them real quick
[09:30] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/19/discover-not-localized.png
[09:30] <apachelogger> main banner graphic is not localized and I hope you have a plan on how to make it localized because that seems not so trivial
[09:30] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/19/discover-empty-without-internet.png
[09:31] <apachelogger> that's non-l10n..... if you have no intartubes access the startup banner will move for white space
[09:31] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/19/discover-icon-size.png
[09:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: my plan to make it localised is not to include text in it
[09:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: and to use local files for the banner
[09:32] <apachelogger> the icons here have different size, different spacing from the text, and they are different icon styles, one's oxygen the other is monochrome oxygen or something
[09:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: sounds good
[09:32] <apachelogger> most importantlty right now though http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/19/discover-quick-switch-confuses-tabs.png
[09:33] <apachelogger> if you keep switching through the tabs (particularly to the sources) at some point discover gets confused and stops switching alltogether
[09:33] <apachelogger> e.g. in the screenshot it is displaying sources but the installed tab is selected
[09:33] <apachelogger> I can reproduce this all the time
[09:33] <apachelogger> only way to recover is to restart discover
[09:34] <Riddell> it's almost like you're looking for bugs
[09:35] <apachelogger> no, I was going through the tabs to see if there were untranslated strings
[09:35] <apachelogger> i.e. I don't even have to do it repeatedly
[09:35] <Riddell> mm yes I agree
[09:35] <apachelogger> go to installed, go to sources, start sources setup, cancel kdesudo -> discover broken
[09:35] <Riddell> but poke JontheEchidna on that one (politely)
[09:35] <apachelogger> that's the kind of thing that will get us a bad review ^^
[09:45] <Riddell> vassie: dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[09:45]  * Riddell fixes
[09:47] <Riddell> vassie: uploaded!
[09:54] <vassie> Riddell: thank you, I will use the backports source next time
[09:56] <vassie> Ridell: is this avaliable for saucy too?
[09:58] <Riddell> vassie: is which?
[09:59] <vassie> Ridell: my cantata package?
[10:01] <Riddell> vassie: yeah uploaded to saucy and to kubuntu-ppa/backports for raring
[10:01] <vassie> Ridell: great, thanks
[10:17] <turgay> using saucy
[10:17] <turgay> xscreensaver why not upgrade to the latest version ?
[10:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger thoughts on bug 1196466
[10:20] <apachelogger> computer says no
[10:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kde bug 321812 says 1.0.2 is required for KDE SC 4.11 so I think a backport into the PPA would be best
[10:20] <Riddell> turgay: um dunno we only maintain kde here
[10:21] <Riddell> turgay: looks like it's not updated in debian and I doubt anyone cares too much in ubuntu
[10:22] <Riddell> turgay: but of course we'd be happy to help if you want to package it :)
[10:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: but then we have to maintain it in the PPA?
[10:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: there's other packages we maintain as backports in the PPA, it's not hard
[10:24] <Riddell> what's the alternative?
[10:25] <turgay> Riddell:  there are also Turkish character problem xscreensaver  http://t1308.hizliresim.com/1d/m/rntsx.png  :(
[10:25] <Riddell> turgay: upstream bug I guess
[10:28] <turgay> Riddell: i do not know the final version status  :)
[10:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well, that's the quickest fix
[10:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: are you able to do that?
[10:30] <shadeslayer> sure
[10:31] <Riddell> thanks
[10:31] <Riddell> turgay: of what?
[10:37] <apachelogger> anyone with raring around?
[10:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I have a VM
[10:41] <shadeslayer> and a crappy internet connection
[10:42] <turgay> Riddell:  i sent upstream bug report
[10:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: with .5?
[10:42] <apachelogger> 4.10.5 
[10:43] <shadeslayer> I think so, lemme check
[10:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 10.2
[10:44] <apachelogger> nevermind then
[11:02] <apachelogger> it's funny how khelpcenter has an entry with unix manpages even though I am running linux
[11:22] <markey> rdieter: please have a look at this, I'm puzzled by it:
[11:22] <markey> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323635
[11:22] <markey> (OpenGL related)
[11:23] <rdieter> markey: ok
[11:24] <rdieter> markey: yeah, it's something going bad in mesa by the looks of it alright
[11:26] <markey> yep
[11:45] <apachelogger> wtf is ktnef :O
[11:47] <apachelogger> Oo
[11:47] <apachelogger> yeah, so, kdepim is starting to piss me off with their silly tools lying around the menu eyerywhere -.-
[11:48] <apachelogger> amz downloader
[11:48] <apachelogger> .......................................................................................................................
[11:54] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:55] <apachelogger> hey BluesKaj
[11:55] <apachelogger> oh cool
[11:55] <apachelogger> trello now has aging for cards
[11:55] <BluesKaj> Hi app
[11:56] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, :)
[11:58] <davmor2> apachelogger: do they slowly yellow with age?
[12:01] <apachelogger> lol
[12:01] <apachelogger> they get more transparent
[12:01] <apachelogger> :P
[12:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: so, review done
[12:02] <apachelogger> good news: we are in a much better spot than last time
[12:02] <apachelogger> bad news: almost all problems are still here from raring including our stuff not being localized (for whatever reason....)
[12:03] <apachelogger> new board https://trello.com/b/U94Kc8Xr/13-10-l10n ... 13.04 board closed now
[12:29] <jussi> so, despite having a password field, this IM client Im testing fails to connect to password protected xmpp rooms...
[12:30] <shadeslayer> wasn't that fixed a loooooonnggg time ago
[12:30] <shadeslayer> by me
[12:33] <jussi> shadeslayer: not that IM client ;) Im testing other also
[12:33] <shadeslayer> hah
[12:33] <jussi> (Kadu in this case)
[12:33] <shadeslayer> why would you test any other im client
[12:33] <shadeslayer> traitor
[12:33] <jussi> shadeslayer: because they exist? :D
[12:33] <jussi> because I can? 
[12:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: Get angry at Microsoft for ktnef.  There's some Outlook specific format it parses.  It's been around since KDE3 times.
[12:41] <ScottK> shadeslayer: More importantly, why would jussi test Kadu when, last I checked, he's not Polish.
[12:41] <shadeslayer> heh
[12:41] <jussi> ScottK: why wouldnt I?  
[12:42]  * jussi is confused...
[12:42] <ScottK> Doesn't it support an IM protocol that's little used outside Poland?
[12:42] <jussi> ScottK: XMPP?
[12:42] <jussi> :D
[12:42] <ScottK> Ah.  It's expanded it's horizons since last I noticed.
[12:42] <jussi> itr also has some gadu gadu, but I just want the xmpp
[12:44] <jussi> still, if the join password protected channel doesnt work, then I cant use it
[14:19] <smartboyhw> Wow, so quiet here today
[14:19] <smartboyhw> The quietness before the storm:D
[14:22]  * shadeslayer is being productive :P
[14:23]  * BluesKaj relaxes for a few mins , then it's yardwork , again
[14:24]  * smartboyhw is being productive with the Frameworks explaination post that is being done within KDE Promo team
[14:25]  * Riddell gets producting with plasma-nm
[14:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: ooh la la, good work on the review
[14:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: you didn't mention kubuntu-docs (cos it doesn't exist yet)
[14:39] <shadeslayer> no one QA'd KScreen yet :(
[14:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger plz QA kscreen in raring bug 1208413
[14:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: will do
[14:40] <shadeslayer> thx
[14:56] <soee> anyone using amarok 2.8 ?
[14:56] <Riddell> playing regina spektor loud here
[14:57] <soee> if you hover one of the items in media sources do you also have popup info text that takes almost full screen width ?
[14:58] <genii> soee: I have it installed on my Saucy, although I tend to actually use VLC more
[14:58] <soee> its a bit annoying to have it so wide
[14:58] <soee> there should be linebreak after ~ 150 chars lets say
[14:59] <Riddell> soee: yes long tooltips
[15:08] <genii> Meh. Closing Amarok caused ksmserver segfault
[15:09] <soee> ;]
[15:13] <genii> Guess I'll see if it's repeatable.
[15:16] <genii> Hm. Nope.
[15:17] <genii> soee: Additionally, I was not getting the long tooltips when it ran the first time ( they were in multi line boxes), but now I am.
[16:00] <Riddell> !testers | plasma-nm in ppa:jr
[16:00] <Riddell> actually testers and package reviewers
[16:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: fancy looking over those packages (libmm-qt libnm-qt and plasma-nm) if I do kscreen on raring?
[16:01] <BluesKaj> Riddell, sorry , I don't use nm 
[16:01] <soee> network manager ?
[16:01] <BluesKaj> yup
[16:02] <soee> its for saucy right ? im on raring now
[16:04] <BluesKaj> I don't use nm on either
[16:05] <Riddell> yes saucy
[16:12] <Riddell> ScottK: anything else needed for bug 1208413 SRU?
[16:15] <ScottK> Seems fine.
[16:16] <ScottK> Riddell: Waiting for the previous kscreen/libkscreen SRUs to get verified and accepted.  Once those are in updates, I can accept this one.
[16:17] <ScottK> Err.  Nevermind
[16:18] <ScottK> Riddell: Please test out libkscreen as well: Bug #1208409  - I think they should go in together and then tag them verification-done.
[16:19]  * ScottK <-- AFK for a bit.
[16:22] <Riddell> ScottK: voila
[17:06] <ScottK> Riddell: Released.
[17:09] <Riddell> awooga!
[17:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can test tomorrow :)
[17:30] <tsdgeos> guys
[17:31] <tsdgeos> my kwin in saucy does not start anymore
[17:31] <tsdgeos> tsdgeos@xps:~$ kwin
[17:31] <tsdgeos> kwin: error while loading shared libraries: libwayland-egl.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[17:31] <tsdgeos> i needed to do this
[17:31] <tsdgeos> tsdgeos@xps:~$ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mesa-egl kwin
[17:31] <tsdgeos> to get it started
[17:31] <tsdgeos> any clue why that happened?
[17:31] <tsdgeos> Riddell: ↑↑↑↑
[17:32] <yofel> we have a bug about that that I can't reproduce
[17:33] <tsdgeos> well i'm person #2 now :D
[17:33] <yofel> tsdgeos: what does 'cat /etc/alternatives/x86_64-linux-gnu_egl_conf' say?
[17:33] <tsdgeos> ahhh
[17:33] <tsdgeos> mir playing tricks on me?
[17:33] <tsdgeos> tsdgeos@xps:~$ cat /etc/alternatives/x86_64-linux-gnu_egl_conf
[17:34] <tsdgeos> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libhybris-egl
[17:34] <yofel> wth is libhybris o.O?
[17:34] <tsdgeos> is some android thing
[17:34] <yofel> :/
[17:34] <tsdgeos> used for the ubuntu-phone development
[17:34] <tsdgeos> i installed some stuff this morning for that
[17:34] <tsdgeos> so may as well be it
[17:34] <yofel> ah ok, that should say '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mesa-egl' though
[17:35] <tsdgeos> so let's see what i uninstall to get it back to that :D
[17:35] <tsdgeos> any clue?
[17:35] <tsdgeos> how to search what is overwriting that file?
[17:35] <tsdgeos> dpkg -S ?
[17:35] <yofel> what does 'sudo update-alternatives --display x86_64-linux-gnu_egl_conf' say?
[17:36] <tsdgeos> not much
[17:36] <tsdgeos> http://paste.kde.org/~tsdgeos/p0a245765/
[17:37] <yofel> thought as much :S
[17:37] <yofel> dpkg -S should tell you what it belongs to
[17:37] <tsdgeos> ah, maybe i can dpkg -S those
[17:38] <yofel> you can use update-alternatives --config to switch manually
[17:38] <tsdgeos> yep, that works
[17:38] <tsdgeos> i can uninstall that pakcage
[17:38] <yofel> what is it?
[17:38] <tsdgeos> actually doesn't work on the desktop
[17:38] <tsdgeos> libhybris
[17:38] <tsdgeos> or doesn't do much for me atm
[17:38] <tsdgeos> at leasat
[17:39] <tsdgeos> ok, that's better
[17:42] <tsdgeos> tx
[17:46] <yofel> thank you for the debugging help ;)
[22:13] <Riddell> holy guacamole, over £900 of donations
[22:14] <markey> cool
[22:15] <markey> how is Kubuntu's relationship with NetRunner btw? I mean it seems odd that Blue Systems invests in two distros
[22:15] <markey> is NetRunner also meant for desktop use?
[22:15] <ScottK> Kubuntu doesn't have one.
[22:15] <ScottK> No idea about Blue Systems internal stuff.
[22:20] <Riddell> netrunner is derived from kubuntu
[22:20] <Riddell> but it's mostly the personal project of starbuck and he likes to add bells and whistles
[22:21] <Riddell> whereas we like to keep with KDE settings as much as sane
[22:22] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1206371] kwin is not starting: cannot find libwayland-egl.so.1 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1206371 (by Chupligin Sergey)
[22:26] <markey> starbuck?
[22:31] <Riddell> markey: blue systems guy
[22:40] <Riddell> kubotu: newpackage calligra 2.7.2
[22:40] <Riddell> ..
[22:41] <kubotu> Package calligra already exists!
[22:41] <Riddell> oh
[22:41] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion calligra 2.7.2
[22:41] <Riddell> ..
[22:41] <Riddell> ..
[22:41] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1214171
[22:41] <Riddell> yay :)