[03:07] <balorth> hello
[05:13] <dvrr> good morning
[05:27] <dvrr> popey:Hiiiiiiiii
[05:30] <shauno> dvrr: it's 6:30am here.  many people won't wake up no matter how enthusiastic you are.  you might want to try #ubuntu proper at this hour
[05:44]  * jussi hugs dvrr
[06:04] <dvrr> iam running apache, mysql, tomcat section replication in ubuntu 12.10  (16gb RAM 4 cpu)  but i hava problem cpu utilization 100 percent  (java sdk 200 persent usage) please help me
[06:07] <dvrr> jussi
[06:07] <jussi> dvrr: #ubuntu is your best bet, I have no idea (plus, Im working)
[06:08] <dvrr> ok thank you
[07:31] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[07:31] <shauno> o/
[07:32] <brobostigon> morning shauno
[07:53] <AlanBell> morning
[08:02] <BigRedS> Good Morning!
[08:03] <brobostigon> morning BigRedS
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> *yawn*
[08:06] <neuro> Monday ... pfff
[08:30] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:31] <mungbean> .win 9
[08:32] <bigcalm> Fail alpha
[08:33] <mungbean> woops
[08:33] <mungbean> meant to say /win 9
[09:17] <DJones> Grr, its time to get depressed, parents are looking at getting a new puppy, its not fair, I want another one
[09:17] <mungbean> they will be sick of theirs in 2 weeks
[09:18] <mungbean> when poo and wee and bitten stuff is everywhere
[09:18] <DJones> Not a chance of that happening, 60+ years of having dogs, so they're used to it
[09:18] <mungbean> what pup are they getting?
[09:20] <mungbean> will not get another dog for the forseeable future after this one
[09:20] <DJones> Either this one http://www.pets4homes.co.uk/images/classifieds/2013/06/14/332719/quality-tri-colour-puppies-51fbb34834810.JPG
[09:20] <DJones> Or one of the shaded sables in the top pic's on this http://www.collienet.com/breeders/Ingledene%20puppies.htm
[09:21] <mungbean> cute
[09:21] <DJones> Very cute :)
[09:21] <mungbean> why do all dog websites look the same? i.e. circa 1990
[09:22] <mungbean> MS word backgrounds
[09:22] <DJones> Heh, thats true
[09:22] <AlanBell> because cats won the internet
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> and cats are only 20 years behind humans?
[09:22] <mungbean> mother in law helps this charity http://www.prodogsdirect.org.uk/
[09:22] <DJones> I ended up redoing our website using wordpress planning on updating it regularly, but the updating doesn't happen
[09:23] <DJones> heh, blank screen with flashlock
[09:23] <DJones> flashblock
[09:23] <mungbean> lolz
[09:23] <mungbean> looks terrible on most browsers
[09:24] <DJones> My parents run a northwest collie & sheltie rehoming help scheme
[09:24] <DJones> Along with a monthly training class
[09:25] <DJones> & dog shows
[09:25] <DJones> They've always had between 2 and 4 dogs, is it any wonder I get on with dogs better than people
[09:29] <popey> Morning all
[09:39] <dvrr> Hiiiii
[09:40] <dvrr> popey: good morning
[09:43] <popey> hello
[09:50] <dvrr> iam running apache, mysql, tomcat section replication in ubuntu 12.10  (16gb RAM & 4 cpu)  but i hava a problem cpu utilization 100 percent  usage (java sdk 200 persent usage) please help me
[09:50] <mungbean> deja vu
[09:51] <popey> yes, we discussed this last week didn't we?
[09:52] <dvrr> yes friday-16-13  discussed but not fixed that problem
[09:53] <mungbean> maybe there's a tomcat freenode channel
[09:54] <mungbean> or java. it doesn't sound ubuntu specific
[09:56]  * bigcalm drums his fingers waiting for the mailing list to update
[09:56] <dvrr> java. does't  sound means  i couldn't understand
[09:56] <popey> bigcalm: i got it
[09:56] <bigcalm> popey: oh, good :)
[09:56] <popey> well, i saw a mail from you on my phone anyway
[09:56] <popey> so assume thats it
[09:57] <bigcalm> I guess Thunderbird is having one of those days
[09:57] <bigcalm> popey: indeed so
[09:57] <bigcalm> Do emails from me get a special ring tone?
[09:57] <popey> yay, back to 1080p screen
[09:57] <popey> thats better
[09:57] <mgdm> bigcalm: popey is probably considerably further up the mailing list than you are :P
[09:58] <bigcalm> Why the heck as my comment appears out of order in this? http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2320-real-ale-train/
[09:59] <bigcalm> mgdm: A > I I guess
[09:59] <bigcalm> s/as/does
[09:59] <bigcalm> I fail at typing today
[09:59] <mgdm> bigcalm: I'd bet they're not in alphabetical order, probably more like order of signup
[10:00] <bigcalm> True
[10:00] <popey> file a bug
[10:00] <bigcalm> Is that how mailman works? Sending to individual subscribers rather than a BCC?
[10:00] <popey> too late, already doing it
[10:01] <popey> yes, indiviual mails
[10:01] <bigcalm> popey: a bug in my typing this morning? :)
[10:01] <mgdm> bigcalm: at the SMTP level there is no difference between the two
[10:01] <mgdm> well, not a lot
[10:02] <bigcalm> mgdm: fair enough
[10:02] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/+bug/1213858
[10:02] <popey> please to confirm
[10:03] <bigcalm> Confirmed
[10:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:03] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[10:03] <davmor2> popey: confirm what?
[10:04] <bigcalm> bug 1213858
[10:06] <popey> ta
[10:06] <davmor2> popey: it seems to go well till bigcalm made a comment I blame bigcalm not the system ;D
[10:07] <popey> yes, i agree
[10:09] <bigcalm> :O
[10:12] <Adriannom> is a maths/programming question too ot for here?
[10:13] <mungbean> you can try :)
[10:13] <Adriannom> how can i solve this? :) - http://pastebin.com/DrFq9kbT
[10:16] <mgdm> divide each number by 1 and use that as the probability of it being generated?
[10:16] <mgdm> sorry, 1 by that number
[10:16] <mgdm> so most are 1/1 but purple is 1/2
[10:18] <Adriannom> hm that seems like it would work
[10:18] <Adriannom> mgdm, i'll give it a go, thanks :P
[10:24] <dvrr> popey: how can i solve  cpu usage
[10:25] <bigcalm> :(
[10:25] <mgdm> dvrr: hire a Tomcat/Java consultant
[10:25]  * hamitron waits for some sales pitch by mgdm 
[10:27] <AlanBell> dvrr: what application are you running in tomcat?
[10:27] <dvrr> liferay tomcat , apache, mod_jk, mysql ubuntu12.10 16gb
[10:28] <mgdm> hamitron: Oh, all I know about tomcat is how to turn it off and on again (which I do moderately frequently)
[10:28] <AlanBell> so, liferay then
[10:28] <hamitron> :)
[10:29] <dvrr> liferay tomcat is like tomcat7
[10:29] <AlanBell> huh?
[10:30] <popey> liferay comes bundled with its own tomcat
[10:30] <mungbean> sounds like a question for liferay mailing list then :P
[10:31] <popey> https://www.liferay.com/community/forums is probably the best place
[10:31] <jpds> dvrr: Ubuntu 12.10 ?
[10:31] <dvrr> yes bundled with tomcat
[10:31] <popey> lol, search those forums for "cpu"
[10:31] <dvrr> ubuntu 12.10 server
[10:31] <popey> every single thread is about cpu usage
[10:31] <popey> dvrr: ^^^
[10:32] <mungbean> problem solved
[10:33] <AlanBell> a problem delegated is a problem solved
[10:33] <mungbean> Please join us at the Amazon Web Services Enterprise Summit 2013, taking place on 17 September in central London. Designed specifically for senior IT decision makers, the AWS Enterprise Summit will provide key insight on large-scale cloud solutions
[10:33] <mungbean> This is an all day event with keynote speeches from Andy Jassy, Senior Vice President, Amazon Web Services and Amazon infrastructure, and Stephen E. Schmidt, Chief Information Security Officer, AWS.
[10:33] <mungbean> sounds like coprorate garbage
[10:33] <dvrr> not solved
[10:33] <mungbean> i hate these events
[10:34] <popey> dvrr: did you see what I posted?
[10:35] <jpds> dvrr: https://www.liferay.com/de/community/forums/-/message_boards/search?_19_keywords=cpu
[10:35] <mungbean> why do i keep finding packets of crisps and bottles of coke in the toilet cubicle. what sort of person eats crisps on the bog?
[10:35] <shauno> someone with a terrifyingly fast metabolism
[10:35] <SuperMatt> D:
[10:35] <hamitron> mungbean, depends on the length of the stay?
[10:36] <jpds> mungbean: Someone who can't be bothered to find a bin.
[10:36] <jpds> dvrr: You really shouldn't be using 12.10 for something in production.
[10:36] <mungbean> consuming food/drink in the bog is ewww
[10:36] <SuperMatt> jpds: I do ;)
[10:36] <mungbean> even chewing something consumed outside gives me the unpleasant feeling
[10:36] <SuperMatt> and I'll probably upgrade my server to 13.10 when that's out (a few months after, probs)
[10:37] <SuperMatt> because I want to get my hands on apache 2.4
[10:37] <jpds> SuperMatt: Yes, and you have to keep upgrading, while meanwhile, 12.04 is fine until the next LTS.
[10:37] <shauno> I still haven't upgraded from 10.04.  it ain't broke yet
[10:37] <SuperMatt> jpds: depends what you use it for
[10:37] <mungbean> i have a 10.04 server too
[10:38] <shauno> (and yes, I'm lazy)
[10:38] <mungbean> makes for a flippin fast desktop
[10:38] <dwatkins> so does fluxbox
[10:38] <hamitron> desktop on a server? :/
[10:38] <mungbean> 10.04+gnome+docky
[10:38] <mungbean> it used to be my desktop pc, then i moved office and kept it in there as a server
[10:38] <dwatkins> my server provides me with a desktop via opennx
[10:39] <dwatkins> I tend to just use it to run xmountains
[10:39] <mungbean> running backups and pwncloud
[10:40] <shauno> people get so funny about servers vs desktops, but the main difference between a server-class machine and a workstation-class machine is what shape the box is
[10:40] <dwatkins> my server is actually a netbook - it has a built-in UPS, too.
[10:40] <mungbean> 10.04 is supported for server only now
[10:40]  * dwatkins - bucking trends in Linux since 1994
[10:47] <dwatkins> like this http://i.imgur.com/5sGJpfu.jpg
[10:47] <bigcalm> Still haven't got my own email. I guess there are a lot of subscribers
[10:47] <dwatkins> Eventually, I'll get around to putting custom colours into that application.
[10:47] <mgdm> that reminds me of my fluxbox desktop from 10 years ago
[10:48] <dwatkins> mgdm: fluxbox is indeed what I'm running there
[10:48] <mgdm> \o/
[10:48] <mgdm> it's been a few years since I ran that :D
[10:48] <mgdm> (on LFS, no less)
[10:50] <popey> bigcalm: i replied to itr
[10:50] <bigcalm> popey: yay. I can see that, but not my own post. Most strange
[10:51] <popey> do you run your own mail server?
[10:51] <bigcalm> Nope, it's gmail
[10:52] <jpds> bigcalm: Gmail hides your own posts.
[10:52] <jpds> bigcalm: You're not going to start emailing yourself, are you?
[10:52] <bigcalm> jpds: imap to Thunderbird
[10:52] <bigcalm> I've seen my own ml posts before now
[10:53] <jpds> [Although: http://www.someecards.com/usercards/viewcard/MjAxMi04NmM1MmIwMjAyMDViOTg2 ]
[10:54] <bigcalm> :)
[10:54] <jpds> bigcalm: Well, it's long been known that Gmail hides people's own posts to lists.
[10:56] <jpds> bigcalm: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2013-August/036787.html
[10:56] <popey> indeed
[10:56] <bigcalm> jpds: I guess that's the alternative route
[10:56] <popey> you only see your own post once someone replies
[11:01] <bigcalm> Almost caught up on 8 past eps of uupc
[11:01] <bigcalm> Only 2 to go
[11:08] <mungbean> tldr version?
[11:09] <bigcalm> tldl
[11:09] <mungbean> i accidentally stoped listeining last year
[11:09] <bigcalm> Time to catch up!
[11:10] <mungbean> can you summarise the whole year :P
[11:11] <bigcalm> It's the year of the desktop
[11:11] <davmor2> mungbean: it's 365.25 days
[11:12] <mungbean> who presents it now? same ppl?#
[11:12] <mungbean> i used to like it, not sure why i stopped
[11:12] <bigcalm> It's the Tony & Laura show
[11:13] <bigcalm> With sidekicks popey & Mark
[11:13] <popey> we have started doing video too
[11:14] <czajkowski> really should remove laura as a highlight
[11:14] <czajkowski> I get very confused
[11:14] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=233xnDn1SyA
[11:14] <czajkowski> oh nice
[11:15] <davmor2> czajkowski: that's not hard :P
[11:15] <czajkowski> davmor2: you have no idea :)
[11:15] <popey> our first go, it's tricky to do given we're using technology designed for remote participation, but we're in the same room
[11:16] <davmor2> czajkowski: Oh yes I do :)
[11:16] <czajkowski> popey: this going to be the new format?
[11:16] <mungbean> i also stopped listening to LAS but for different reasons...
[11:16] <popey> well, it's in addition to audio
[11:16] <czajkowski> popey: nice idea
[11:17] <czajkowski> mungbean: what is LAS
[11:17] <popey> we're not changing what we already have, but some people like to watch, so we thought we'd try it
[11:17] <mungbean> linux action show
[11:17] <czajkowski> nods why not
[11:17] <czajkowski> bit of fun
[11:18] <popey> its hard work
[11:18] <popey> the problem is we have to mute all our microphones, otherwise they all pick eachother up
[11:18] <popey> which breaks the hangout auto-switching focus of webcam
[11:19] <popey> so i had to manually switch person
[11:20] <czajkowski> ahh
[11:20] <czajkowski> bit more work involved then
[11:20] <bigcalm> Alternative is to have 1 camera in the middle on a turntable
[11:21] <popey> who turns it?
[11:21] <bigcalm> The podcats
[11:21] <popey> hah
[11:21] <mungbean> popey has a neckbeard from this angle
[11:23] <popey> yeah
[11:23] <popey> not any more
[11:23] <popey> ☻
[11:24] <mungbean> i have 1week growth or so. literally have not had time at home. might bring shaver to wor
[11:24] <mungbean> k
[11:24] <shauno> if you find a button labelled "Database Error - InitDB line 14" .. do you press it ?
[11:24] <mungbean> shauno: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/magic-story.html
[11:28] <neuro> "GitHub (Not Responding)"
[11:28] <neuro> flargen blarg
[11:37] <Monotoko> anyone here any good with SQL?
[11:41] <mungbean> i just wrote plateaued and wondered if it was real. apparently it is
[11:44] <dwatkins> plateau is a funny word, I assume it's from French.
[11:50] <shauno> safe guess, it looks gateaux :)
[11:50] <mungbean> om nom
[11:53] <dwatkins> Can you refer to something as being gateaued on a surface?
[11:54] <mungbean> gateauxed?
[11:54] <mungbean> you rarely see X's in countdown
[11:54] <shauno> you could do, ala pie on the face?  but it's bad form to use big words where diminutive ones will suffice
[11:54] <mungbean> eating gateaux on a plateau near a chateau?
[11:56] <shauno> (not claiming this is a real word, merely that it must be possible to gateaux a surface, clowns' employment depends on it)
[11:59] <mungbean> can you deselect a news source from google news?
[12:00] <mungbean> ah, need to sign in first
[12:00] <davmor2> mungbean: unless you are Stephen Fry then you see X, IX, VIII...........
[12:01] <mungbean> countdown tv programme..
[12:02] <mungbean> Singapore is Asia's largest backer at time of writing, with 200 Edges ordered, followed closely by Japan (198) and Hong Kong (157).
[12:15] <mungbean> wifey sent me to work with a stash of ginger flapjacks
[12:16] <mungbean> nobody to give them to :S
[12:18] <AlanBell> there haven't been new annoucements around the edge have there?
[12:21] <shauno> all I've seen since it broke the record, has been a sympathetic tweet from mr. Fry
[12:23] <mungbean> why did i just look at fry's tweet line
[12:23] <mungbean> arrghgh
[12:23] <diddledan> morning
[12:25] <mungbean> afternoon
[12:25] <diddledan> sshh, if I say "morning" enough I might believe I didn't oversleep :-p
[12:26] <jussi> morning diddledan
[12:26] <jussi> :P
[12:26] <diddledan> \o/
[12:26] <diddledan> morning, jussi
[12:26] <mungbean> server room air temp hit 40 degrees yesterday...and the server shutdown at 50 degrees
[12:26] <diddledan> ouch
[12:26] <diddledan> no air con?
[12:26] <mungbean> one unit failed. rather poor layout of units means little overlap
[12:27] <diddledan> ah
[12:27] <diddledan> sucky
[12:27] <mungbean> yeah, 250 nodes turned off
[12:27] <jussi> we had multiple power failures here, it sucked
[12:27] <mungbean> where?
[12:28] <mungbean> was a brownout here that caused the prob
[13:16] <bigcalm> I can see my reply to your reply, popey. Mailman is weird
[13:16] <popey> It's not mailman
[13:16] <popey> IMO
[13:17] <bigcalm> I have no idea where my original post is though
[13:17] <popey> spam folder?
[13:17] <bigcalm> No :S
[13:17]  * bigcalm heads to gmail.com
[13:19] <bigcalm> Right
[13:19] <bigcalm> I can see it on gmail.com
[13:19]  * bigcalm grrs at Thunderbird
[13:24] <popey> bigcalm: its not thunderbird, it's google
[13:24] <popey> your thunderbird is looking at "inbox", not "all mail" I suspect
[13:24] <bigcalm> Newp, it's a folder/label
[13:25] <popey> same thing
[13:25] <popey> look in "All mail" and you'll see it
[13:26] <shauno> it's just the same as when you have a 1-on-1 convo with someone.  their replies are in the inbox, your replies are in the sent box, and google munges them both into a 'conversation' view
[13:26] <bigcalm> Oh, there it is :(
[13:26] <shauno> it's just the same with lists.  your reply isn't actually in that mailbox/folder/label/etc, but google can find it and peice it into the 'conversation'
[13:43] <bigcalm> popey: little bit of podcast feedback - I tried to watch the youtube video but found it to be distracting. Also the audio quality is a lot lower than the MP3. Good to see different things being tried, just didn't work for me
[13:44] <popey> yeah, the audio needs work
[13:44] <popey> it was cobbled together
[13:44] <popey> what was distracting?
[13:44] <bigcalm> The video. I find I can do other things while listening to some pod casts
[13:45] <bigcalm> Tony's video was a lot lower res than the others, couldn't read his name
[13:47] <popey> yeah, dunno why that was
[13:47] <popey> crappy camera or driver, dunno
[13:47] <bigcalm> Wah. My podcast directory is empty. All I have left to listen to are 38 eps of Richard Herring's Me1 vs Me2 snooker
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> Ooh, and that's a bad miss
[13:48] <popey> ☻
[13:48] <shauno> MartijnVdS: you're frequently more british than I am.  which of us should be worried?
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> shauno: I don't know.
[13:49] <bigcalm> Can anybody replicate this on 13.04? https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/369451966688014336
[13:50] <bigcalm> I'm trying to find an open bug before reporting it
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: trying, how did you get it like that?
[13:50] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I ran Software Updater from the dash
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> mine lists Chrome atm
[13:50] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: that's what I was greeted with
[13:51] <bigcalm> What's the gui's command? I'll try running it in a terminal in case there are errors
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> update-manager, I think
[13:52] <bigcalm> Ta
[13:52] <bigcalm> No errors in the terminal
[13:53] <diddledan> I keep getting the update manager icon appear in the dock telling me there's updates but clicking the icon won't open the window
[13:54] <bigcalm> diddledan: bug 420625
[13:55] <diddledan> nope, not that
[13:55] <diddledan> it really isn't visible at all
[13:55] <bigcalm> Ah, yes, I get that occasionally
[13:55] <bigcalm> I tend to kill the app and launch it myself
[13:55] <diddledan> ditto
[13:55] <bigcalm> I've been putting it down to my 3 monitor set-up
[13:55] <popey> interesting
[13:55] <popey> not seen that
[13:56] <popey> does it end up off screen or something perhaps?
[13:56] <bigcalm> Doesn't show up in the workspace switcher
[13:56] <popey> bring it to the front next time, then alt+space, m, to "move" the window
[13:56] <diddledan> popey, it won't focus
[13:56] <popey> no, off screen
[13:56] <mungbean> i hate update manager so much after they change the bahviour a couple of years ago
[13:56] <popey> not on another workspace, but completely off screen
[13:56] <bigcalm> I'll let you know if it happens again
[13:57] <diddledan> popey, clicking the update manager icon won't make the arrow appear on the right to indicate it has focus and the previous app still accepts input as though I've not focussed anything else
[13:58] <bigcalm> Back to my issue of update-manager not showing a list of packages but have the option to install. There are updates available via the CLI: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6002932/
[14:01] <bigcalm> Aha, found an open bug http://paste.ubuntu.com/6002932/
[14:01] <bigcalm> Oops
[14:01] <bigcalm> bug 1072136
[14:06] <bigcalm> diddledan: bug 989588
[15:41] <davmor2> So fatboy slim is dune fan,  weapon of choice contains the line "walk without rhythm, and it won't attract a worm"
[15:48] <mungbean> watched that again recently
[15:48] <directhex> lots of music people are huge nerds
[15:48] <mungbean> noiiiideeeeep
[15:48] <mgdm> Dune, or Weapon of Choice? :)
[15:48] <directhex> e.g. deadmau5 used to run a minecraft server
[15:48] <mgdm> I saw the WoC video quite a few times in the pub before i ever heard the song
[15:49] <directhex> the biggest nerd (physically) is still vin diesel though
[15:49] <mgdm> The drummer from Blur once committed code to the Linux kernel
[15:50] <diddledan> I like that will.i.am is advocating better education of nerdish subjects
[15:50] <mungbean> dave rowntree?
[15:50] <mgdm> mungbean: aye
[15:50] <mgdm> directhex: what's Vin's claim to nerd fame?
[15:50] <mungbean> mgdm: is the blur story true? source?
[15:51] <directhex> mgdm, big on D&D. *big* on d&d. wrote the foreword to '30 Years of Adventure: A "Celebration" of Dungeons & Dragons'. one of his tattoos in the movie xXx was the name of his D&D character of many years
[15:52] <mgdm> mungbean: it is true, haven't got time right now to find the source (as it were)
[15:52] <mgdm> directhex: heh, nice
[15:52] <mgdm> mungbean: remind me later if you remain unconvinced :)
[15:52] <directhex> e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36_-DauQi0s
[15:52] <mungbean> are "direct messages" on twitter relviatevly private?
[15:53] <mungbean> they don't appear on your feed anywhere do they
[15:53] <directhex> mungbean, as long as you don't mess up & make them public by accident :D
[15:53] <mungbean> (doesn't use twitter much)
[15:53] <SuperMatt> mungbean: they are indeed private
[15:53] <SuperMatt> but
[15:53] <SuperMatt> @ messages are public
[15:53] <SuperMatt> so make sure you do a direct message
[15:54] <mungbean> i have a friend who doesn't do email or fb but DMs me on twitter instead
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> @SuperMatt haha mungbean doesn't know how to send DMs :P
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> oh wait
[15:54] <mungbean> lol
[15:54] <SuperMatt> mungbean: that's... weird
[15:54] <mungbean> he sys he gets addicted to stuff easy
[15:55] <mungbean> and has made a pact with his missis
[15:55] <MartijnVdS> Can't you just call him instead? :)
[15:55] <mungbean> btu he's being legalistic as he uses twitter as if its email
[15:55] <mungbean> no, its just banter
[15:55] <mungbean> every couple of months we remininisce about uni
[15:57] <mungbean> i think they have a shared email inbod
[15:57] <mungbean> inbox
[15:58] <mungbean> you can tell people in the 35-44 age range as they got shared email accounts back in the day
[15:58] <mungbean> mainly barry-and-june@freeserve.ent
[16:00] <daftykins> XD
[16:00] <mgdm> heh, I remember those
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> I even know people with shared fb accounts
[16:00] <daftykins> my main client used to have a freeserve business email address
[16:00] <daftykins> it was ridiculous as it had several portions as the hostname, like @freeserve.fsbusiness.net or something
[16:01] <mgdm> it was anyoldnonsenseyouliked@username.fsbusiness.net
[16:02] <mgdm> various ISPs used to do the same, but they all went into the same POP3 mailbox
[16:02] <mgdm> ahh.. POP3, there's something I've not used in about 10 years
[16:02] <popey> i used to have fat.bloke@england.com
[16:02] <popey> I miss that one
[16:02] <MartijnVdS> hahaha :)
[16:03] <daftykins> i do not miss POP3
[16:03] <MartijnVdS> popey: Story War will be shipping this week: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZx0sjIao9M
[16:03] <MartijnVdS> popey: (you kickstartered that as well, right?)
[16:03] <daftykins> thankfully i've got most i can moved onto google apps so i don't have to even backup email clients anymore \o/
[16:03] <mgdm> outsourcing your email is not a reason not to back it up :)
[16:04] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: what if I outsource that as well
[16:05] <daftykins> mgdm: in this case i mean when, say, reinstalling an OS. i won't arse about to backup the client beforehand
[16:05] <daftykins> whenever you get those jobs where someone uses a desktop client like Windows Mail / Outlook Express / Thunderbird - ugh
[16:05] <diddledan> my gmail inbox is over 3GigaNuts now
[16:06] <mgdm> daftykins: aaah, yes
[16:06] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: .pst file corruption!
[16:06] <diddledan> MartijnVdS, don't you dare!
[16:07] <popey> MartijnVdS: ya
[16:08] <daftykins> mgdm: although yeah, i guess i'm putting a lot of faith in them :>
[16:09] <directhex> what the hell is a .pst file?
[16:10] <MartijnVdS> directhex: it's what MS Outlook uses to store its profiles (including emails, etc.)
[16:10] <daftykins> i think he knows but is being facetious again :(
[16:10] <MartijnVdS> :(
[16:11] <daftykins> i've had to learn many of Outlook's little quirks over the years
[16:11] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: did you get hazard pay?
[16:11] <daftykins> clients tend to be unwilling to get along with just a web interface of google apps and want Outlook back
[16:11] <daftykins> haha if only
[16:12] <daftykins> the classic is when a clean install doesn't keep the list of emails that it'll guess when you start typign into the 'To' field
[16:12] <daftykins> which is naturally stored in a .NK2 file hidden within Application Data back in 2007 and before
[16:12] <daftykins> yet has been removed in more recent editions
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: just sign them up for the new on-line office stuff
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: if they REALLY want to keep MS stuff
[16:13] <daftykins> nah they get the Google Apps Sync for Outlook in with Google Apps
[16:13] <daftykins> so it's all good
[18:21] <diddledan> wow, sky recon they're gonna answer my call in "under 7 minutes"
[18:21] <zleap> i take it that is good
[18:22] <diddledan> it surprised me on two fronts, first they gave me theindication, and second it does seem rather quick
[18:34] <diddledan> and third they answered way before the 7 minute mark
[18:42] <daftykins> it's a real shame that ol' remote support program (VNC wrapper) 'gitso' hasn't been updated in forever
[18:42] <daftykins> actually there's a september 2012 deb, but not for the other OSs
[19:15] <directhex> okay then
[19:15] <directhex> TCO calculated, badgers tickled, spreadsheets spread... it's phone upgrade time for the wife, and i've worked out her optimal purchase choices
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> Ubuntu Edge?
[19:16] <daftykins> Nokia £20 dumbphone it is!
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> $60 firefox phone?
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> Tonight: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0391z20
[19:20] <daftykins> oh dear
[19:21] <daftykins> Horizon stuff is usually interesting but i suspect there shall be some pain in that one
[20:17] <mungbean> i'm getting flashbacks to when i supported end users
[20:17] <mungbean> woops hadnt scrolled down from 17:00
[20:18] <mungbean> daftykins: are you watching horizon? is it rubbish?
[20:19] <mungbean> want to know whether to save myself the hour
[20:20] <daftykins> i don't have live TV sir
[20:26] <mungbean> in watching flags of our fathers atm
[23:18] <daftykins> i think i discovered why a laptop doesn't charge
[23:18] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zfjep8kwwyonkmb/IMG-20130819-WA0003.jpg
[23:18] <daftykins> :>
[23:18] <daftykins> (that's a DC jack)
[23:23] <hamitron> I wanna know how someone manages to do that
[23:23] <hamitron> :/
[23:27] <daftykins> me also
[23:27] <daftykins> especially in a sealed unit