[08:11] <cub> I've run a lot of tests, but not much success for the screen reader support so far.
[09:07]  * cub broke his saucy :(
[09:07] <knome> oi! don't break it!
[09:08] <cub> stupid. I installed Gnome to try out Orca. Then removed Gnome again but something else probably was removed as well.
[09:08] <cub> Well, it's not entirely broken. Just won't start xmir again. :P and well, other stuff I haven't noticed yet
[09:29]  * cub thought adding Orca would be easy since it's in the repos
[09:29] <knome> my experience about accessibility stuff is that it's never easy, and unfortunately, rarely works
[09:30] <cub> it seems so. Perhaps better to get Vinux to include the low-latency kernel instead. ;)
[09:31] <cub> the Ubuntu Accessibility team seems to have ceased to exist. At least they are very hard to reach.
[09:31] <knome> heh
[09:31] <xequence> cub: There's one guy who does some work on that
[09:31] <xequence> he used to be a ubuntu studio team member
[09:31] <cub> yes Luke.
[09:31] <xequence> yes
[09:31] <xequence> themuso is his nickname
[09:32] <knome> yes, that
[09:32] <xequence> you can find him on #pulseaudio too
[09:32] <cub> I tried to ping him on IRC. Now I emailed the list, but if no answer there I will try to email him directly.
[09:32] <xequence> He can be a bit slow at answering sometimes :)
[09:33] <cub> there is too many factors so far. Is it not working because I'm doing something wrong, or is it a xfce issue, or a saucy issue, or an Orca issue, or all of the above? :P
[09:34] <xequence> Did you try a clean install of regular UBuntu?
[09:34] <cub> I've tried different version of US, Xubuntu, Ubuntu and Debian Wheezy with Xfce
[09:34] <xequence> this stuff should work from a VM, no?
[09:34] <cub> xequence, yes, it somewhat worked but didn't read things correct.
[09:34] <xequence> easier to manage a VM. take a snapshot, and you can roll back changes
[09:35] <cub> yes, last test I have been running in VM. But since it didn't work at first I tried on a real installation just to rule out if it was a VM issue
[09:35] <xequence> ah, if it's not fully working, then it's probably not a good idea then 
[09:35] <knome> xmir won't run in a VM afaik
[09:35] <cub> best results so far: Ubuntu Studio 12.04 and Debian Wheezy.
[09:36] <cub> no the xmir I run on my eee pc installation.
[09:36] <knome> :)
[09:36] <cub> well, did, until I broke it. :P
[09:36] <knome> haha
[09:36] <cub> the common thing with US 12.04 and Debian Wheezy is Xfce 4.8. That might be it.
[09:37] <cub> how does it work with Feature Freeze? Could one get an app included and still work out the kinks with it until release?
[09:38] <knome> sure, bug fixes will be allowed after FF
[09:38]  * cub also wonders if he is doing a lot of work only to provide accessibility for one person...
[09:39] <cub> Is there any documentation on how I go about to get like Orca icluded?
[09:40] <xequence> cub: we just add it to our seed file
[09:41] <xequence> cub: seed files include all the applications that get preinstalled on the ISO
[09:42] <xequence> cub: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.saucy
[09:42] <cub> xequence, but someone has to do some magic to get it into the seed file?
[09:42] <xequence> cub: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Seeds
[09:43] <cub> ah tnx
[09:43] <xequence> you get the source. add/remove one item, make a commit
[09:43] <xequence> in your case, you'll need to upload to your own branch and make a merge request
[09:45] <xequence> bzr push lp:~<username>/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.saucy
[09:45] <xequence> I think that should work
[09:45] <xequence> then make a merge request
[09:46] <xequence> cub: One commit per change. Once you're done, push the code
[09:47] <xequence> cub: I should add you to the contributors team
[09:47] <cub> I'll read up and give it a go.
[09:48] <xequence> cub: What's your LP name?
[09:48] <cub> xequence, jimmy-sjolund
[09:48] <cub> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/cub
[09:52] <xequence> cub: I added you to two teams, ~ubuntustudio, which is a user team, and ~ubuntustudio-contributors, which is like junior devs
[09:53] <cub> Nice, thank you.
[09:55] <xequence> cub: I added a seed branch for contributors
[09:55] <cub> ok
[09:55] <xequence> cub: so, if you didn't already get the source, you could get this one instead
[09:55] <xequence> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-contributors
[09:56] <xequence> bzr branch lp:~ubuntustudio-contributors/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.saucy
[09:56] <xequence> then when you push, just do: bzr push
[09:56] <xequence> Just e
[09:56] <xequence> sorry
[09:56] <xequence> easier to work that way, I think
[09:57] <xequence> since all contributors and devs will have access to those branches
[09:57] <cub> we'll see what I'll manage to set up then. :)
[10:01] <xequence> cub: In order to push code, you need to have your ssh key both in LP and your ~/.ssh folder - usually id_rsa
[10:01] <xequence> well, the public keay goes to LP
[10:02] <xequence> which is id_rsa.pub
[10:02] <xequence> you could also do: bzr login-launchpad jimmys-sjolund, but it's not strictly needed
[10:03] <xequence> never ever publish the private key of course (id_rsa)
[10:04] <cub> yeah, it was part of the devel setup
[10:05] <xequence> yes, but just reminding just in case :)
[11:28] <smartboyhw> xequence, still at DebConf?
[11:34] <xequence> smartboyhw: Last day was saturday
[11:35] <xequence> I'm still in Switzerland though
[11:35] <xequence> going back tomorrow
[11:52] <smartboyhw> xequence, oh
[11:52] <smartboyhw> xequence, so, what's your experience?
[12:13] <xequence> smartboyhw: I got a good idea of how things work
[12:13] <xequence> that was my first reason to go
[12:13] <smartboyhw> xequence, great:)
[12:14] <xequence> the other to get involved with the Debian Multimedia Blend
[12:14] <smartboyhw> xequence, yeah, I hope to see your great creation soon:P
[12:14] <smartboyhw> xequence, eh, we need to start 12.04.3 testing soon
[12:17] <cub> smartboyhw, is the release this week?
[12:18] <smartboyhw> cub, yes
[12:18] <smartboyhw> Thursday
[12:18] <smartboyhw> We can get it out easily
[12:18] <cub> how can we test it?
[12:19] <smartboyhw> cub, just test the live session and install the ISO
[12:19] <smartboyhw> And report it at iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[12:19] <smartboyhw> it = test results
[12:19] <smartboyhw> Check out wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough
[12:20]  * smartboyhw is sort of an expert in ISO testing:P
[12:20] <cub> I'm not. I can't even find the iso
[12:20] <smartboyhw> cub, I will send an email to devel and users mailing list tmr
[12:20] <smartboyhw> That will teach you 1. where to get it
[12:20] <smartboyhw> 2. How
[12:20] <smartboyhw> :P
[12:21] <cub> but in reality, two days of testing seem a bit short. :P
[12:21] <smartboyhw> cub, well, yeah, but that's ALWAYS the case.
[12:21] <smartboyhw> That's why Ubuntu is relatively buggier than others:P
[12:21] <smartboyhw> (All Linux distros are buggy, but some are more buggy than others -- Maxim)
[12:23] <cub> that's not good. We wouldn't want to break things for LTS users (or any user for that matter)
[12:49] <smartboyhw> cub, yeah
[12:49] <smartboyhw> Unfortunately, that's what happens.
[12:51] <cub> How come? Because the release was not available until late? Or because everyone has been too busy to look at it?
[13:00] <DarkEra> not that i can do anything but what's up with the failing iso's since the last couple of days
[13:01] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, package problems.
[13:01] <smartboyhw> Actually, conflicts
[13:01] <DarkEra> that much?
[13:02] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, yes, frankly
[13:03] <DarkEra> 6 days in a row isn't good
[13:03] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, because we haven't got time to fix it...
[13:03] <cub> Isn't there a limit on how many days in a row it can go on before the iso is dropped or something?
[13:04] <smartboyhw> cub, DarkEra: No...
[13:04] <smartboyhw> I'm asking the Ubuntu Release Team for help
[13:04] <cub> No? I thought I remember someone saying that when the build was failing the last time
[13:05] <smartboyhw> cub, well if there's a problem with it before release then it won't be released
[13:06] <smartboyhw> But, we can still solve it well before Beta 1.
[13:11] <DarkEra> smartboyhw, i see
[13:11] <DarkEra> got to go, might be back later again
[13:38] <xequence> smartboyhw: the problem with our ISOs is most probably the libav packages
[13:38] <xequence> new ones should appear there shortly
[13:38] <smartboyhw> xequence, great:)
[13:38] <xequence> there's libav and libav-extra. one of them is the wrong version, I think
[13:40] <smartboyhw> xequence, thank you:)
[23:02] <madeinkobaia> Hi all : )