[08:11] I've run a lot of tests, but not much success for the screen reader support so far. [09:07] * cub broke his saucy :( [09:07] oi! don't break it! [09:08] stupid. I installed Gnome to try out Orca. Then removed Gnome again but something else probably was removed as well. [09:08] Well, it's not entirely broken. Just won't start xmir again. :P and well, other stuff I haven't noticed yet [09:29] * cub thought adding Orca would be easy since it's in the repos [09:29] my experience about accessibility stuff is that it's never easy, and unfortunately, rarely works [09:30] it seems so. Perhaps better to get Vinux to include the low-latency kernel instead. ;) [09:31] the Ubuntu Accessibility team seems to have ceased to exist. At least they are very hard to reach. [09:31] heh [09:31] cub: There's one guy who does some work on that [09:31] he used to be a ubuntu studio team member [09:31] yes Luke. [09:31] yes [09:31] themuso is his nickname [09:32] yes, that [09:32] you can find him on #pulseaudio too [09:32] I tried to ping him on IRC. Now I emailed the list, but if no answer there I will try to email him directly. [09:32] He can be a bit slow at answering sometimes :) [09:33] there is too many factors so far. Is it not working because I'm doing something wrong, or is it a xfce issue, or a saucy issue, or an Orca issue, or all of the above? :P [09:34] Did you try a clean install of regular UBuntu? [09:34] I've tried different version of US, Xubuntu, Ubuntu and Debian Wheezy with Xfce [09:34] this stuff should work from a VM, no? [09:34] xequence, yes, it somewhat worked but didn't read things correct. [09:34] easier to manage a VM. take a snapshot, and you can roll back changes [09:35] yes, last test I have been running in VM. But since it didn't work at first I tried on a real installation just to rule out if it was a VM issue [09:35] ah, if it's not fully working, then it's probably not a good idea then [09:35] xmir won't run in a VM afaik [09:35] best results so far: Ubuntu Studio 12.04 and Debian Wheezy. [09:36] no the xmir I run on my eee pc installation. [09:36] :) [09:36] well, did, until I broke it. :P [09:36] haha [09:36] the common thing with US 12.04 and Debian Wheezy is Xfce 4.8. That might be it. [09:37] how does it work with Feature Freeze? Could one get an app included and still work out the kinks with it until release? [09:38] sure, bug fixes will be allowed after FF [09:38] * cub also wonders if he is doing a lot of work only to provide accessibility for one person... [09:39] Is there any documentation on how I go about to get like Orca icluded? [09:40] cub: we just add it to our seed file [09:41] cub: seed files include all the applications that get preinstalled on the ISO [09:42] cub: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.saucy [09:42] xequence, but someone has to do some magic to get it into the seed file? [09:42] cub: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Seeds [09:43] ah tnx [09:43] you get the source. add/remove one item, make a commit [09:43] in your case, you'll need to upload to your own branch and make a merge request [09:45] bzr push lp:~/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.saucy [09:45] I think that should work [09:45] then make a merge request [09:46] cub: One commit per change. Once you're done, push the code [09:47] cub: I should add you to the contributors team [09:47] I'll read up and give it a go. [09:48] cub: What's your LP name? [09:48] xequence, jimmy-sjolund [09:48] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/cub [09:52] cub: I added you to two teams, ~ubuntustudio, which is a user team, and ~ubuntustudio-contributors, which is like junior devs [09:53] Nice, thank you. [09:55] cub: I added a seed branch for contributors [09:55] ok [09:55] cub: so, if you didn't already get the source, you could get this one instead [09:55] https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-contributors [09:56] bzr branch lp:~ubuntustudio-contributors/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.saucy [09:56] then when you push, just do: bzr push [09:56] Just e [09:56] sorry [09:56] easier to work that way, I think [09:57] since all contributors and devs will have access to those branches [09:57] we'll see what I'll manage to set up then. :) [10:01] cub: In order to push code, you need to have your ssh key both in LP and your ~/.ssh folder - usually id_rsa [10:01] well, the public keay goes to LP [10:02] which is id_rsa.pub [10:02] you could also do: bzr login-launchpad jimmys-sjolund, but it's not strictly needed [10:03] never ever publish the private key of course (id_rsa) [10:04] yeah, it was part of the devel setup [10:05] yes, but just reminding just in case :) [11:28] xequence, still at DebConf? [11:34] smartboyhw: Last day was saturday [11:35] I'm still in Switzerland though [11:35] going back tomorrow [11:52] xequence, oh [11:52] xequence, so, what's your experience? [12:13] smartboyhw: I got a good idea of how things work [12:13] that was my first reason to go [12:13] xequence, great:) [12:14] the other to get involved with the Debian Multimedia Blend [12:14] xequence, yeah, I hope to see your great creation soon:P [12:14] xequence, eh, we need to start 12.04.3 testing soon [12:17] smartboyhw, is the release this week? [12:18] cub, yes [12:18] Thursday [12:18] We can get it out easily [12:18] how can we test it? [12:19] cub, just test the live session and install the ISO [12:19] And report it at iso.qa.ubuntu.com [12:19] it = test results [12:19] Check out wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough [12:20] * smartboyhw is sort of an expert in ISO testing:P [12:20] I'm not. I can't even find the iso [12:20] cub, I will send an email to devel and users mailing list tmr [12:20] That will teach you 1. where to get it [12:20] 2. How [12:20] :P [12:21] but in reality, two days of testing seem a bit short. :P [12:21] cub, well, yeah, but that's ALWAYS the case. [12:21] That's why Ubuntu is relatively buggier than others:P [12:21] (All Linux distros are buggy, but some are more buggy than others -- Maxim) [12:23] that's not good. We wouldn't want to break things for LTS users (or any user for that matter) [12:49] cub, yeah [12:49] Unfortunately, that's what happens. [12:51] How come? Because the release was not available until late? Or because everyone has been too busy to look at it? [13:00] not that i can do anything but what's up with the failing iso's since the last couple of days [13:01] DarkEra, package problems. [13:01] Actually, conflicts [13:01] that much? [13:02] DarkEra, yes, frankly [13:03] 6 days in a row isn't good [13:03] DarkEra, because we haven't got time to fix it... [13:03] Isn't there a limit on how many days in a row it can go on before the iso is dropped or something? [13:04] cub, DarkEra: No... [13:04] I'm asking the Ubuntu Release Team for help [13:04] No? I thought I remember someone saying that when the build was failing the last time [13:05] cub, well if there's a problem with it before release then it won't be released [13:06] But, we can still solve it well before Beta 1. [13:11] smartboyhw, i see [13:11] got to go, might be back later again [13:38] smartboyhw: the problem with our ISOs is most probably the libav packages [13:38] new ones should appear there shortly [13:38] xequence, great:) [13:38] there's libav and libav-extra. one of them is the wrong version, I think [13:40] xequence, thank you:) [23:02] Hi all : )