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| lool | Hey! | 12:59 |
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| lool | barry, ogra_, slangasek: hey! | 13:00 |
| barry | lool: hi | 13:00 |
| * ogra_ fells heyed | 13:01 | |
| ogra_ | *feels | 13:01 |
| lool | so stgraber is on a plane today | 13:01 |
| lool | hmm maybe we should invite didrocks here too | 13:01 |
| barry | lool: +1 | 13:01 |
| * barry is pvtmsg with him now :) | 13:02 | |
| lool | hey didrocks | 13:02 |
| lool | barry: same here :_) | 13:03 |
| lool | hye seb128 :-) | 13:03 |
| didrocks | hey! | 13:03 |
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| lool | no sergio sadly | 13:03 |
| lool | but let's get started | 13:03 |
| seb128 | lool, hey ;-) | 13:03 |
| lool | I would like to focus this meeting on the transition plan to new images and remaining blockers | 13:04 |
| lool | we can discuss longer term plans next week during vUDS | 13:04 |
| lool | I've registered this session: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-1308-os-updates | 13:04 |
| lool | the goal for OS updates is to ditch the old images by the end of august; IOW have everyone use the new images and OS updates by end of august | 13:05 |
| lool | which, given that vUDS is mid next week, means that we should be ready to flip the switch this week | 13:05 |
| lool | there are IMO two things that would be good to get before the switch | 13:05 |
| lool | one is the updated dbus interface that didrocks and barry have been working on | 13:06 |
| lool | because otherwise the user experience is fragile (launch syste msettings twice and you can't update unless you wait x minutes or reboot) | 13:06 |
| lool | the other nice to have would be to land the repartitioning changes | 13:06 |
| barry | LP: #1212781 | 13:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1212781 in Ubuntu system image "Update the DBus API to the new specification" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1212781 | 13:07 |
| lool | slangasek told me he has some bandwidth to hopefully do the repartitioning research+impl this week, but there's a chance he wont be able to complete this week | 13:07 |
| lool | the main blocker I see for the transition is that we currently wipe userdata when switching | 13:07 |
| lool | sergiusens told me he'd implement a flag to save+restore userdata _on the host_ in phablet-flash | 13:08 |
| lool | there are other things in progress, like QA team switching to new images, the daily-proposed channels etc. | 13:08 |
| lool | and minor annoyances like the fact that we don't see progress updates when applyings updates or the fake manifest when applying an update | 13:08 |
| lool | but these shouldn't get in the way to switching to the new images :-) | 13:09 |
| lool | So, first of all, is this a decently accurate picture of where we stand? | 13:09 |
| barry | lool: two other big things on my plate | 13:09 |
| lool | barry: shoot | 13:09 |
| barry | 1) switching to the download service. i have a wip branch that is on hold pending changes to the d/l service dbus api that i need. i need to get status on that work, but i've pushed that below my own dbus update | 13:10 |
| barry | 2) stgraber and i discussed some changes needed in order to support alternative channels. we need to move some stuff currently in client.ini to a separate channels.ini file, but we can't do that until the server is updated | 13:10 |
| barry | so, my plan is to work on the dbus api which i think is the most critical. #2 should be easy-ish | 13:11 |
| barry | #1 is currently blocked | 13:11 |
| barry | #1 probably shouldn't block the transition, we'll just have crappier download control until that lands | 13:11 |
| lool | [ it's completely optional to get the download service integration for OS updates in 13.10; it's nice, but it's not required; the main things this buys is protection from app lifecycle, but OS updates client isn't under app lifecycle anyway, and testing for the download service ] | 13:12 |
| barry | #2 needs to happen i think (stgraber estimated the server changes would land on wednesday) | 13:12 |
| lool | right | 13:12 |
| barry | eot | 13:12 |
| lool | barry: I agree pointing at different channels is important; is this for daily-proposed? | 13:12 |
| barry | lool: i believe so, yes | 13:12 |
| barry | LP: #1214009 | 13:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1214009 in Ubuntu system image "Add support for channel.ini file" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1214009 | 13:13 |
| lool | ok, that's mainly to allow QA to have a proposed image to update to, but I don't think it stops us from switching the images | 13:13 |
| barry | (currently assigned to stgraber - he'll reassign that to me when his side is done) | 13:13 |
| lool | it's typically to implement new QA tests | 13:13 |
| lool | (upgrade tests) | 13:13 |
| lool | which we don't have right now | 13:13 |
| barry | cool. | 13:13 |
| lool | today we only test an image in itself, not upgrades | 13:14 |
| lool | (IIUC) | 13:14 |
| lool | however that makes me remember that we might be publishing new daily images from the latest cdimage image rather than from /current or something like that | 13:14 |
| lool | we need to give control to updating the daily image, which is a server side tweak | 13:15 |
| lool | at the moment I guess we autopublish the latest build to system-image.u.c | 13:15 |
| barry | i think so | 13:15 |
| lool | while cdimage is in manual mode to update /current | 13:15 |
| lool | ogra_: ^ | 13:15 |
| lool | so it seems to me the two "blockers" to the transition are the backup/restore flag in phablet-flash and some mean to block what gets published, which indeed might require the QA team to be able to point at some other channel | 13:16 |
| lool | barry, didrocks: Concerning new DBus API impl, what's the ETA on it? is it something we should wait for before switching | 13:17 |
| lool | ? | 13:17 |
| didrocks | lool: I think so, my personal ETA is before EOW | 13:17 |
| didrocks | as I'm on holidays starting next week | 13:17 |
| ogra_ | lool, stgraber has a WI to implement the /current -> /pending stuff on the ayatem-image server | 13:17 |
| ogra_ | *system | 13:18 |
| didrocks | I think we just need a quick dicussion with barry (that we started just before this meeting) | 13:18 |
| didrocks | to finish acking the API | 13:18 |
| didrocks | then, I need barry's mock | 13:18 |
| didrocks | to validate the UI | 13:18 |
| lool | ogra_: ack, that seems similar to what I described | 13:18 |
| barry | let's say my side also by eow, but could be a day or so earlier | 13:18 |
| ogra_ | lool, imho he should go on pulling from pending | 13:18 |
| didrocks | before helping him on the backend as much as I can | 13:18 |
| didrocks | barry: do you think we can have the mock done by EOD with the different cases? | 13:18 |
| ogra_ | lool, we cant drop the cdimage images until we have a solution for the ports ... so oth will have to exist in paralllel for a while | 13:19 |
| ogra_ | *both | 13:19 |
| lool | didrocks, barry: isn't it risky to land the changes just at the time where we're switching everyone to the new update system and just before didrocks going on leave? | 13:19 |
| didrocks | that will enable me to ensure I finish the UI and unblock for helping you | 13:19 |
| barry | didrocks: in a branch, yes, i think so | 13:19 |
| lool | didrocks, barry: If you guys think we could switch on e.g. thursday, that would be ok I guess | 13:19 |
| didrocks | lool: if the mock is working, the ui implementation will be validated | 13:19 |
| didrocks | as we now listen to the same bus :p | 13:19 |
| lool | ogra_: sure, the cdimage images stay anyway | 13:20 |
| didrocks | so the ui will be finished like tomorrow | 13:20 |
| didrocks | not a big risk, barry will know the backend for sure | 13:20 |
| barry | right | 13:20 |
| barry | didrocks: do you have a backup person for the ui if needed? | 13:20 |
| ogra_ | lool, well, i would like to drop then from the public webserver at some point ... once we have a solution for ports | 13:20 |
| lool | it's not like we were hit by a bus the first time we tried to land this ;-) | 13:20 |
| lool | seb128: ^ would you be able to deal with all the bugs in didrocks' code? ;-) | 13:21 |
| barry | lool: don't get hit by the system bus | 13:21 |
| didrocks | lool: IIRC, there was no bug in my code :p | 13:21 |
| lool | seb128: (didrocks on leave next week) | 13:21 |
| seb128 | lool, "all"? ;-) | 13:21 |
| didrocks | I trusted the mock! then, didn't change anything ;) | 13:21 |
| seb128 | lool, I'm there and can debug/fix stuff yes | 13:21 |
| lool | ogra_: we still need the base images to compute deltas against anyway; ports can progressively transition to the new images when they are ready for it? | 13:22 |
| ogra_ | lool, but there is no need to have the interim product in public imho | 13:22 |
| ogra_ | we dont have the livefs build in public either | 13:23 |
| lool | it's not by design though | 13:23 |
| ogra_ | it is just one step towards the real image ... once it isnt needed to have that step public i would think we should just hide it | 13:23 |
| lool | it's just a security/infrastructure side effect that these are in a protected environment | 13:23 |
| lool | anyway, I don't really care what happens to the cdimage images; I'd personally just keep them as they are, but if you think they need renaming or something to force ports to transition to new images, that's ok | 13:24 |
| lool | just need to sync with stgraber on this | 13:24 |
| lool | we wont break ports because we wont change anything to cdimage images for now, I think that's all we need to worry about for now :-) | 13:24 |
| ogra_ | no, i think they just dont need publishing once ports can use system images | 13:25 |
| lool | alright, so summary of plan: didrocks+barry work on new dbus API with goal to finish on thursday? | 13:25 |
| barry | +1 | 13:25 |
| lool | stgraber + ogra to implement new /current / /proposed mechanism for system-image.u.c tomorrow (wed) | 13:25 |
| lool | sergiusens to implement new phablet-flash host backup/restore flag for thursday | 13:26 |
| didrocks | +1 | 13:26 |
| lool | we test the switch on thursday and we announce on friday | 13:26 |
| ogra_ | err, what ? | 13:26 |
| lool | what what? :-) | 13:27 |
| * ogra_ has never seen the code of system-images.u.c ... nor do i have access to it i think | 13:27 | |
| ogra_ | (access to the machine i mean) | 13:27 |
| lool | ogra_: Ok; I thought you were handling the cdimage symlink updates and would be interested in this, but if you think stgraber should tackle it alone, that works too I guess | 13:27 |
| barry | ogra_: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-system-image/ubuntu-system-image/server | 13:27 |
| lool | ogra_: (I don't have access to the machine either) | 13:27 |
| ogra_ | lool, system-image pulls from cdimage /pending (and should go on to do so) | 13:28 |
| lool | ogra_: I am not sure that's the case | 13:28 |
| ogra_ | i thought it is | 13:28 |
| lool | in the beginning at least, it was looking for cdimage build numbers and taking the highest one | 13:28 |
| lool | e.g. 20130820 | 13:28 |
| ogra_ | which means /pending :) | 13:28 |
| lool | there's a subtle difference IMO | 13:29 |
| lool | anyway | 13:29 |
| lool | doesn't matter here | 13:29 |
| ogra_ | a published build automatically becomes /pending | 13:29 |
| lool | one thing I forgot in the plan: I need to keep in sync with slangasek to see when the repartitioning stuff could land | 13:29 |
| lool | if it could be ready for thursday/friday, we could have it rolled in phablet-flash for the announcement as well | 13:29 |
| lool | as beta or not | 13:29 |
| lool | just to avoid one extra host backup + restore effort for users | 13:30 |
| lool | Ok; does the "plan" sound reasonnable? anything I'm missing? | 13:30 |
| didrocks | lool: TBH, I would advise on announcing it officially on Monday | 13:30 |
| didrocks | like not before a week-end everybody will be away | 13:30 |
| lool | didrocks: that's a good idea actually, announce on fridays isn't good | 13:30 |
| didrocks | let's test on Thursday and Friday | 13:30 |
| lool | fair enough | 13:30 |
| ogra_ | lool, in any case the /current /pending stuff on system-image is also depending on QA to have tests in place and runnning | 13:30 |
| ogra_ | they do a readonly test already, but no click package based ones yet afaik | 13:31 |
| lool | ogra_: Ack; I have a weekly meeting to check on this either today or tomorrow | 13:31 |
| ogra_ | good | 13:31 |
| ogra_ | i think asac doesnt want us to make the switch until the tests are identical ... | 13:32 |
| lool | alright; we're overtime, but since I didn't leave any time for status, I'd like to open the floor to any other topic for today | 13:32 |
| ogra_ | or at least close | 13:32 |
| lool | barry, didrocks, ogra_, seb128: Any other important topic that you guys would like to raise? | 13:33 |
| seb128 | nothing from me | 13:33 |
| barry | i'm good | 13:33 |
| ogra_ | nope | 13:33 |
| lool | rock on | 13:34 |
| didrocks | (nothing as well) | 13:34 |
| lool | feel free to update https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-1308-os-updates to list things you'd like to discuss at vUDS for next iterations of OS updates! | 13:34 |
| lool | have a great end of day, happy hacking! | 13:34 |
| barry | lool: thanks! | 13:34 |
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| smoser | #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team | 16:00 |
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| adam_g | o/ | 16:00 |
| smoser | hello all and welcome to this weeks exciting adventure that we like to call the Ubuntu Server Team Weekly Meeting. | 16:00 |
| smoser | #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 16:00 |
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| smoser | wow. we had no shortage of actions from last weeks meeting | 16:01 |
| smoser | arosales to update Juju blueprints | 16:01 |
| smoser | no arosoles atm, moving on | 16:02 |
| smoser | roaksoax to clean-up iscsitarget packaging for 12.04.3 | 16:02 |
| smoser | hallyn_ to confirm iscsitarget packaging done | 16:02 |
| smoser | roaksoax, hallyn_ ? | 16:02 |
| hallyn_ | jamespage did that :) | 16:02 |
| hallyn_ | (did the packaging - i confirm :) | 16:02 |
| smoser | k. good | 16:02 |
| smoser | Daviey to review 'dlm' in new queue for Saucy | 16:02 |
| jamespage | \o/ | 16:02 |
| smoser | Daviey, ? | 16:02 |
| roaksoax | smoser: seems that jamespage took care of it | 16:02 |
| smoser | zul to follow up on mariadb/percona making it into Saucy | 16:03 |
| jamespage | roaksoax, yeah - I was on a roll for dkms updates... | 16:03 |
| smoser | hallyn_ to coordinate with zul and smb on testing xen 4.3 on nova | 16:03 |
| hallyn_ | that's less stable than i realized. haven't progressed much | 16:03 |
| Daviey | smoser: done | 16:03 |
| smb | I think distracted would be a better word :) | 16:03 |
| smoser | arosales to update Juju blueprints | 16:03 |
| hallyn_ | (haven't gotten xen 4.3 to work for me at all) | 16:03 |
| arosales | smoser, in progress for vUDS coming up | 16:04 |
| Daviey | smoser: dlm reviewed and accepted | 16:04 |
| smoser | ok. i'll push the xen item to next weke also | 16:04 |
| smoser | ACTION: hallyn_ to coordinate with zul and smb on testing xen 4.3 on nova | 16:04 |
| smoser | #action hallyn_ to coordinate with zul and smb on testing xen 4.3 on nova | 16:04 |
| meetingology | ACTION: hallyn_ to coordinate with zul and smb on testing xen 4.3 on nova | 16:04 |
| jamespage | smoser, you missed "jamespage to clean-up openvswitch packaging for 12.04.3 " | 16:04 |
| smoser | status ? | 16:04 |
| Daviey | jamespage: I started reviewing that for SRU, but not yet complete | 16:05 |
| jamespage | well as you ask :-) | 16:05 |
| jamespage | decided to take a different approach | 16:05 |
| jamespage | its actually only the dkms package thats not compatible | 16:05 |
| jamespage | and the user-space tools we have in 12.04 should be compatibile with a dkms module from raring | 16:05 |
| smoser | cool | 16:06 |
| jamespage | so we are going to backport lts-raring variants of the openvswitch-datapath-* modules to 12.04 | 16:06 |
| jamespage | Daviey is reviewing | 16:06 |
| smoser | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule | 16:06 |
| smoser | feature freeze is 29th. | 16:06 |
| smoser | i personally would like to see a cloud images beta1. | 16:07 |
| smoser | utlemming, can we just plan on that ? | 16:07 |
| utlemming | smosser: sure, I think that is a great idea | 16:07 |
| smoser | as always, please get / have blueprints in order. | 16:07 |
| utlemming | smoser: I'll plan on that happening | 16:07 |
| smoser | k. | 16:07 |
| smoser | anyone have anything else here ? or do we move to release bugs now ? | 16:08 |
| smoser | #subtopic Release Bugs | 16:09 |
| smoser | hm.. | 16:09 |
| smoser | #topic Release Bugs | 16:09 |
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| smoser | #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-s-tracking-bug-tasks.html#server | 16:09 |
| smoser | bug 1175028 seems in fix-committed. | 16:10 |
| ubottu | bug 1175028 in mongodb (Ubuntu Saucy) "Mongodb links GPL code with SSL" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1175028 | 16:10 |
| smoser | bug 1208455. | 16:11 |
| ubottu | bug 1208455 in linux (Ubuntu Saucy) "general protection fault running apt-get inside double nested kvm VM" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208455 | 16:11 |
| hallyn_ | smb: ^ | 16:11 |
| smoser | it looks like smb has some movement on that as recently as 18 hours ago | 16:11 |
| smb | hallyn_, Working on it | 16:11 |
| smoser | moving on. | 16:11 |
| hallyn_ | +1 | 16:11 |
| smoser | bug 1213915 | 16:12 |
| ubottu | bug 1213915 in ceph (Ubuntu Saucy) "Please demote ceph-mds and ceph-fs-common to universe" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1213915 | 16:12 |
| smoser | i'm geussing mr jamespage has that under control. | 16:12 |
| smoser | bug | 16:12 |
| smoser | 1156932 | 16:12 |
| jamespage | meh - waiting for a archive-admin | 16:12 |
| smoser | bug 1156932 | 16:12 |
| ubottu | bug 1156932 in python-novaclient (Ubuntu Saucy) "User can't modify security-group-rule via nova-api if there are duplicated security group name" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1156932 | 16:12 |
| jamespage | oh -thats a nice one | 16:12 |
| jamespage | not sure its a 'High' tho | 16:14 |
| smoser | i guess we should push that a bit upstream. | 16:14 |
| smoser | there aren't work arounds other than "don't do that" | 16:14 |
| jamespage | zul, any chance upstream will do something about that - its possible to have a broken nova api call right now | 16:15 |
| zul | ill look | 16:15 |
| smoser | ah. you can, Aaron Rosen's comment is quite good. | 16:15 |
| smoser | i agree, not High. | 16:16 |
| smoser | bug 1206872 | 16:16 |
| ubottu | bug 1206872 in samba (Ubuntu Saucy) "samba fails to unpack (behavior change in patch) and ftbfs on aarch64" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1206872 | 16:16 |
| smoser | i'll assume matthias has that. | 16:17 |
| jamespage | I started looking at the merge for that | 16:17 |
| smoser | ok. good. | 16:17 |
| jamespage | but got uncomfortable as slangasek's upstart/init goodness appeared to get dropped | 16:17 |
| jamespage | so I pinged him then forgot - my bad | 16:17 |
| smoser | you're syaing its reported fixed in debian ? | 16:17 |
| smoser | oh. yeah, i see that. | 16:18 |
| smoser | k. never mind. | 16:18 |
| smoser | nmoving on. | 16:18 |
| smoser | jamespage, please do ping slangasek again. | 16:18 |
| smoser | bug 1199791 | 16:18 |
| jamespage | smoser, will do | 16:18 |
| ubottu | bug 1199791 in nova (Ubuntu Saucy) "nova-compute-xcp misses nova-compute.conf" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1199791 | 16:18 |
| smoser | zul you have athat in hand ? | 16:19 |
| smoser | bug 1203828 | 16:19 |
| ubottu | bug 1203828 in mysql-5.5 (Ubuntu Saucy) "mysql 5.5.32, 5.1.70 security update tracking bug" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1203828 | 16:19 |
| smoser | mdeslaur, ^? is that under control | 16:21 |
| smoser | bug 1203828 | 16:21 |
| ubottu | bug 1203828 in mysql-5.5 (Ubuntu Saucy) "mysql 5.5.32, 5.1.70 security update tracking bug" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1203828 | 16:21 |
| smoser | bah | 16:21 |
| smoser | bug 1170393 | 16:21 |
| ubottu | bug 1170393 in neutron (Ubuntu Saucy) "Quantum services should be respawned by upstart if necessary" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1170393 | 16:21 |
| smoser | bug 1188069 | 16:21 |
| ubottu | bug 1188069 in apache2 (Ubuntu Saucy) "apache2 mod_rewrite CVE 2013-1862" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1188069 | 16:21 |
| smoser | that one is fix-committed, so moving on. | 16:21 |
| smoser | leave that to security team. | 16:22 |
| smoser | bug 1180397 | 16:22 |
| ubottu | bug 1180397 in xen (Ubuntu Saucy) "Xen stable update to 4.2.2" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1180397 | 16:22 |
| smb | I need to check with infinity to get those moving one by one | 16:23 |
| smoser | k. thank you smb. | 16:23 |
| smb | Oh well actually rather would aboid that for S | 16:23 |
| smb | And go 4.3 | 16:23 |
| smoser | yeah. | 16:23 |
| smoser | you can update the bug subject. you're the opener, smb | 16:23 |
| smoser | bug 1031680 | 16:23 |
| ubottu | bug 1031680 in nagios-plugins (Ubuntu Raring) "check_apt always report 0 critical updates" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1031680 | 16:23 |
| smoser | that one doesn't hae anyone assigned. | 16:24 |
| smoser | hm.. | 16:24 |
| smoser | rbasak, could youjust take a look at that offline | 16:24 |
| smoser | make sure its not just getting missed | 16:24 |
| smoser | #topic Blueprints | 16:25 |
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| smoser | link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/group/topic-s-servercloud-overview.html | 16:25 |
| mdeslaur | smoser: I'm not currently working on the mysql package...if someone from the server team can take a look, I'd appreciate it, else it will have to wait until I get back from vacation | 16:26 |
| smoser | hm.. there is a lot of rred there, and we are near feature freeze. | 16:26 |
| smoser | mdeslaur, thanks for the follow up. | 16:26 |
| smoser | i think i'm generally just going to ask everyon e(and myself to take a look at your blueprints andensure that they're in a reasonable state) | 16:26 |
| hallyn_ | yup, with ff a week away... | 16:27 |
| smoser | #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (plars) | 16:27 |
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| plars | -> psivaa | 16:27 |
| smoser | plars, anything ? | 16:27 |
| psivaa | no updates from the qa side | 16:27 |
| smoser | k. | 16:27 |
| smoser | #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) | 16:28 |
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| smb | Currently working on bug 1208455 which jodh reported. But also would really want xen 4.3 to get into Saucy but the window closes. I do not think it would have a real impact on anything but xen-api, xen-api-libs and blktap. All tree look to be parts of the xen cloud platform (open source xen-server) from Citrix. And all three are FTBS even without the xen update. They only exist in the archive as they got pocket-copied over from previous re | 16:28 |
| smb | leases. | 16:28 |
| ubottu | bug 1208455 in linux (Ubuntu Saucy) "general protection fault running apt-get inside double nested kvm VM" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208455 | 16:28 |
| smoser | double nested ? | 16:28 |
| slangasek | s/double // | 16:28 |
| smb | smoser, yeah, in the end he uses 3 levels | 16:29 |
| smb | But the problem actually can be seen in the 2nd level already | 16:29 |
| smoser | wow. | 16:29 |
| smb | slangasek, So yeah, probably should remove the double there | 16:29 |
| slangasek | well, the three levels we care about are host, outer VM, inner VM | 16:30 |
| smb | smoser, Better do not ask _what_ he does, cause I don't know :) | 16:30 |
| slangasek | to be clear | 16:30 |
| jodh | smoser: ftr, all I'm trying to do is create a kvm instance that is controllable from the autopkgtest env. Just so happens that when I create my instance, there are already 2 instances behind me ;) | 16:30 |
| slangasek | smb: jenkins dispatches vms; integration tests for upstart requires booting under a test harness; thus, nested vms are required | 16:30 |
| slangasek | or else jenkins needs to dispatch to bare metal instead | 16:31 |
| rbasak | tbh, I think bug 1031680 will get missed. It's more in depth as it seems, and needs to be dealt with with care. | 16:31 |
| ubottu | bug 1031680 in nagios-plugins (Ubuntu Raring) "check_apt always report 0 critical updates" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1031680 | 16:31 |
| ogra_ | note that this bug seems to hold up an important fix for touch images | 16:31 |
| slangasek | ogra_: that's a separate discussion that I need to have with rsalveti today | 16:31 |
| ogra_ | (the kvm one) | 16:31 |
| ogra_ | ah, k | 16:31 |
| rbasak | Fundamentally it's an upstream bug, which tries to understand apt in a broken way, and fixing it is considerable upstream work. | 16:31 |
| smoser | slangasek, presumably a workaround would be to disable kvm | 16:31 |
| rbasak | A workaround is available. | 16:32 |
| rbasak | Not breaking compatibility is the difficult part. | 16:32 |
| slangasek | smoser: running qemu without paravirt? hmmmm | 16:32 |
| smoser | other than being painfully slow, that would workaround the bug. | 16:32 |
| slangasek | hadn't considered that | 16:32 |
| slangasek | well, "painfully slow" is the status quo | 16:32 |
| ogra_ | speed is overrated :) | 16:32 |
| slangasek | we need to be able to do fast upstart integration tests | 16:32 |
| smoser | orders of magnitude performance affected i suspect. | 16:32 |
| smoser | yeah. its not a fix. | 16:33 |
| slangasek | if it's too slow, we can bypass it by running them locally instead | 16:33 |
| smoser | its a workaround | 16:33 |
| smoser | anyway. | 16:33 |
| slangasek | it's around, but it doesn't work for us ;) | 16:33 |
| smb | So far it seems that at least with Q and R as host and not running 64bit qemu on 32 bit guest things are more stable for me | 16:33 |
| smb | smoser, and that is with kvm enabled | 16:33 |
| smoser | oh wow. running 64 bit qemu in 32 bit guest ? | 16:34 |
| slangasek | ermm I hope that's not the way we're doing it | 16:34 |
| smoser | it just gets better and better :) | 16:34 |
| slangasek | jodh: ^^ are you really running 64-bit inner guest on a 32-bit outer guest? If so, don't | 16:34 |
| ogra_ | wow, that means we could also have arm64 under armhf :) | 16:34 |
| smb | slangasek, That was what jodh was doing | 16:34 |
| jodh | smb: do we have a handle yet as to what is causing the kernel crashes? Does this need to be raised on lkml? | 16:34 |
| jodh | slangasek: no, I am not :) | 16:34 |
| slangasek | ok | 16:35 |
| smoser | i'm gonna move on here, and assume that slangasek, smb, and jodh can figure it out. | 16:35 |
| jodh | slangasek: well, not knowingly. But the distinction between 'qemu', 'kvm' and all the sym link horror of the multiple binaries might be doing stuff... | 16:35 |
| smb | jodh, You were using qemu-system-x86_64 in the guest that was i386 | 16:35 |
| jodh | smb: I was using what was provided by 'kvm'. | 16:35 |
| slangasek | should we maybe take this elsewhere and not derail the meeting in progress? :) | 16:35 |
| jodh | which is what autopkgtest does | 16:36 |
| smoser | yeah, please take up in #ubuntu-server. | 16:36 |
| smb | slangasek, agree to take it away | 16:36 |
| * smoser is interested, but this is a bit long here. | 16:36 | |
| smoser | #topic Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak) | 16:36 |
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| smoser | rbasak, do we have a kernel that we could put in the cloud iamges ? i tihnk we hvae no maas images for ephemerla for saucy at the moment due to lack of sufficent kernel... | 16:36 |
| smoser | i suppose i should have a bug on that, but i do not. | 16:37 |
| utlemming | smoser: the saucy ephemeral arm images are back to normal now...it was a qemu bug | 16:37 |
| rbasak | smoser: we have a generic kernel now | 16:37 |
| rbasak | That would do. | 16:37 |
| smoser | utlemming, oh? ok. that is good. well i will raise bug if there is an issue. | 16:38 |
| rbasak | I'll need to check exact status, but the general plan is to have lpae and non-lpae variants | 16:38 |
| smoser | what is the 'generic' kernel ? | 16:38 |
| smoser | just actually 'generic' like on other arch ? | 16:38 |
| utlemming | I think there is going to be some issues since we are using the OMAP kernel with the OMAP loaders. | 16:38 |
| rbasak | Yes, but there are a limited number of platforms that support it. Hopefully that number will grow | 16:38 |
| utlemming | rbasak: we should sync tomorrow morning on this | 16:38 |
| rbasak | ack | 16:38 |
| smoser | cool. thanks rbasak utlemming . | 16:38 |
| smoser | +1 for growing number of platforms | 16:38 |
| smoser | #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events | 16:39 |
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| smoser | anyone have anything here? | 16:39 |
| zul | vuds is next week | 16:39 |
| smoser | oh yeah. | 16:39 |
| smoser | that | 16:39 |
| smoser | :) | 16:39 |
| smoser | and feature freeze too | 16:39 |
| zul | and i move at the same time | 16:39 |
| smoser | so .. if anyone is looking | 16:41 |
| smoser | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6007053/ | 16:41 |
| smoser | is a list of openstack proposals that ubuntu members have submitted. | 16:41 |
| smoser | i fyou think those are interested and have openstack voting rights (ie, you are an openstack community member), then vote | 16:41 |
| smoser | you can generically vote for speakers at http://www.openstack.org/rate/Presentation/how-to-monetise-your-openstack-cloud-service | 16:42 |
| smoser | gah | 16:42 |
| smoser | click VOTE HERE at http://www.openstack.org/summit/openstack-summit-hong-kong-2013/ | 16:42 |
| smoser | http://www.openstack.org/summit/openstack-summit-hong-kong-2013/ | 16:42 |
| * smoser cut and paste fail | 16:43 | |
| smoser | #topic Open Discussion | 16:43 |
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| smoser | anyone have anything her e? | 16:43 |
| smoser | k | 16:43 |
| smoser | #topic Announce next meeting date and time | 16:43 |
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| smoser | tune in next week at Tuesday 2013-08-27 at 1600 UTC for the continuing saga of ubuntu server development. | 16:44 |
| arosales | smoser, thanks for chairing | 16:44 |
| smoser | #endmeeting | 16:44 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Aug 20 16:44:51 2013 UTC. | 16:44 |
| meetingology | Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-08-20-16.00.moin.txt | 16:44 |
| meetingology | Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-08-20-16.00.html | 16:44 |
| jamespage | thanks smoser | 16:49 |
| jsalisbury | #startmeeting | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | ## | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | ## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting. | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | ## | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting | 17:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Tue Aug 20 17:01:07 2013 UTC. The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 17:00 |
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| jsalisbury | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Saucy | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | # Meeting Etiquette | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | # | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input. | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | # 'o/' indicates you have something to add (please wait until you are recognized) | 17:01 |
| jsalisbury | Roll Call for Ubuntu Kernel Weekly Status Meeting | 17:01 |
| kamal | o/ | 17:01 |
| sconklin | o/ | 17:01 |
| henrix | o/ | 17:01 |
| * smb hastes in | 17:01 | |
| ogasawara | o/ | 17:01 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati) | 17:01 |
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| jsalisbury | No new update this week. | 17:01 |
| jsalisbury | .. | 17:01 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury) | 17:02 |
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| jsalisbury | Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link: | 17:02 |
| jsalisbury | [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt | 17:02 |
| jsalisbury | .. | 17:02 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara) | 17:02 |
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| ogasawara | [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-distro-team/+upcomingwork | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/canonical-kernel-distro-team.html | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | || apw || foundations-1305-arm64-bringup || 2 work items || | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | || ppisati || foundations-1305-kernel || 1 work item || | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | || sforshee || pm-system-policy || 2 work items || | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | || smb || servercloud-s-virtstack || 1 work item || | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | .. | 17:02 |
| rtg | o/ | 17:02 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] Status: Saucy Development Kernel (ogasawara) | 17:02 |
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| ogasawara | We have uploaded a new Saucy kerel based on the v3.11-rc6 upstream kernel. | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | We'll continue tracking the v3.11 kernel for the remainder of the Saucy | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | 13.10 release. | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | ----- | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | The 12.04.3 point release is set to release this Thurs, Aug 22. I am | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | hearing rumors there may be a small slip, ie 1 day slip, but it should | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | be going out this week. We are not aware of any critical issues at this | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | time that would warrant any respins. | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | ----- | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | Lastly, Virtual UDS is next week, Tues-Thurs Aug 27-29. I've gone ahead | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | and opened a generic kernel catch-all blueprint. Feel free to add any | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | topics which you would like to discuss. | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-1308-kernel | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | ----- | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | Important upcoming dates: | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | Thurs Aug 22 - 12.04.3 (~2 days away) | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | Thurs Aug 29 - Beta 1 freeze (~1 week away) | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | Thurs Sep 05 - Beta 1 (~2 weeks away) | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | .. | 17:03 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] Status: CVE's | 17:03 |
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| jsalisbury | == 2013-08-20 == | 17:03 |
| jsalisbury | The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link: | 17:03 |
| jsalisbury | http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html | 17:03 |
| jsalisbury | .. | 17:03 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Raring/Quantal/Precise/Lucid (bjf/henrix/sconklin) | 17:03 |
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| bjf | Status for the main kernels, until today (July 23): | 17:03 |
| bjf | * Lucid - Prep'ing | 17:03 |
| bjf | * Precise - Prep'ing | 17:03 |
| bjf | * Quantal - Prep'ing | 17:03 |
| bjf | * Raring - Prep'ing | 17:03 |
| bjf | Current opened tracking bugs details: | 17:03 |
| bjf | * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html | 17:03 |
| bjf | For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information: | 17:03 |
| bjf | * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html | 17:03 |
| bjf | .. | 17:03 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) | 17:04 |
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| jsalisbury | Thanks everyone | 17:04 |
| jsalisbury | #endmeeting | 17:04 |
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| kamal | thanks jsalisbury | 17:04 |
| sconklin | thanks | 17:05 |
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