=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === Hornet- is now known as Hornet === scott_ is now known as Guest12849 === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:07] I wonder which retailer will have Nexus 7-2's availble in their stores on release day [08:10] Google's own play store? [08:11] I'm hoping to pick one up in a store rather than via mail order [08:14] * mungbean checking in [08:15] * TheOpenSourcerer wishes he could check out. [08:16] Good morning peeps :) [08:16] Customer's data (~.5million rows) of a flat file spreadsheet. Spent the last 4 days trying to devise interesting methods to break it into related entities to import into a proper CRM. Thank god for Talend, but it's still a right PITA. [08:17] pivot table magic :) [08:17] nope - the data isn't clean enough. [08:18] *shudder* [08:18] all free text - no consistency [08:19] that's.. horrible [08:19] yep. [08:19] Outsource to children [08:19] dirty data is the bane of my life [08:20] hmmm. [08:20] dave cameron wants to fix that [08:20] What's even worse is that the CRM I use capitalises half the fields, including e-mail. [08:20] Talend is really rather cool, but it can;t magically clean stuff. === iahmad is now known as iahmad|lunch [08:24] the place I used to work at had a fairly clean database already, but we (as support engineers) were asked to flag any duplicate entries and correct minor errors in a customer's information. It was probably easier than someone going through all the records, since many of them were correct. [08:25] You can easily write (in fact download) a bit of JavaScript to validate a telephone number, yet many databases still fail at storing them in anything like a useable format. [08:29] what happens if unstamped mail is sent to a PO box? [08:30] They probably delivery with a note attached asking the recipient to go into a post office to pay the postage [08:31] virgin media are the scum [08:31] virgin media send unstamped mail? [08:31] so after getting junk mail every week [08:32] if i return their post selltaped to a brick [08:32] they probably won't have to pay and they can choose to refuse it [08:33] mungbean: '''write on the front of the envelope: "NOT KNOWN AT THIS ADDRESS, RETURN TO SENDER"''' [08:33] its the mystery of the internet age. how to get removed from their lists [08:33] '''score through the address with a pen''' [08:33] MartijnVdS: they send to the address, not named person [08:33] its is literally impossible to get removed from the list [08:33] there is a loophole [08:34] mungbean: http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/consumer_w/consumer_post_e/consumer_problems_with_post_e/consumer_problems_with_unwanted_or_junk_mail_e/how_can_you_stop_un-addressed_junk_mail.htm ? [08:34] and it fills me with rage [08:34] Might not even be 'posted mail' could just be the junk mail the post office gets mass batches of just to put through every door addressed to the occupier [08:34] its none of those [08:35] i opted out of door to door [08:35] they do that too though [08:35] they have a fake stamp called "delivered by royal mail" [08:35] it's just "To whomever -- your address -- your town" ? [08:35] the occupier [08:35] you should be able to opt-out of that [08:35] legally you cannot force them and they know it [08:36] once you opt out of their name+address junk mail [08:36] they send you "the householder" [08:36] Oh, .nl anti-spam laws work for email AND real mail [08:37] and phone as well [08:38] hello sweetiepies [08:38] how is world today for you ♥ [08:40] Myrtti: a second company asked my to come talk to them :) [08:40] nice, what about? you're in the market for a new job? [08:42] according to the evening standard it helps to go gay if you are loking for work in london [08:42] "go gay" [08:42] "plim! you're now gay" [08:43] derp [08:43] evening standard, eh [08:43] http://is.gd/ChFN1Z [08:43] I'm happy [08:43] http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/why-the-gay-geek-is-the-most-soughtafter-worker-in-london-8773838.html [08:44] I don't think the article says "go gay" anywhere in it. [08:44] well i'm not gay, but the message is that joining the gay club would help [08:45] OTOH i never divulge any details to employers that they don't need to know [08:45] careful mungbean, your prejudice is showing [08:45] since they love to say "hey we have a lot of gingers!" [08:46] mungbean: I don't read it that way tbh [08:46] I keep thinking that it is Monday. This isn't a good start to a Tuesday [08:46] it quotes a study from US that says that LGBT people are usually well trained [08:46] "It is a cliché but the average professional gay person tends to be clever, " [08:46] Myrtti: yeah, current company wants to dispose of the software devs, so I'm looking around a bit [08:47] Myrtti: Got several offers out of the blue :) [08:47] then that the average gay people can dedicate more time to the job rather than their other engagements like family life. [08:47] my employer doesn't need to know if i have a family [08:47] : [08:47] mungbean: .. until you're self-employed [08:47] Gay people don't have families? That's news to me, all my gay colleagues do. [08:48] dwatkins: yeah, beats me where they got that idea [08:48] dwatkins: offspring [08:48] any of this imnformation can prejudice an employer either way [08:48] popey: nope, still incorrect ;) I know at least two women with kids who happen to be gay. [08:48] i didnt say they didnt have them [08:48] i was clarifying what "family" meant [08:48] fair enough [08:49] most of the gay people I know have dogs [08:49] I just think any discrimination like this is at best silly, and verging on positively dangerous. [08:49] my point is that bringing personal stuff into the interview room isn't good. you are being hired for the 9-5 [08:49] popey: lots of straight people I know have dogs too [08:49] MartijnVdS: if you're interested in traveling the world in search of a new job... ;-) [08:50] I have a pet rat, should that affect my employability? [08:50] yes. [08:50] dwatkins: Depends, is it Pinky or The Brain? [08:50] you might have hantavirus [08:50] haha [08:50] dwatkins: is it Peter Pettigrew? [08:50] MartijnVdS, those are mice [08:50] have you checked? [08:50] i went onto the HR system and they ask for your ethnicity, sexual preferences, religion etc [08:50] directhex: not lab rats? [08:50] Myrtti: she's quite smart [08:50] mungbean: that's not allowed, is it? [08:50] MartijnVdS, lab mice [08:50] they don't demand it, but strongly urge it [08:50] directhex: oh, ok. [08:51] just so they can say they are ginger-friendly etc [08:51] despite seeing massive sexism where i work. [08:51] ticking boxes does not change the culture [08:51] in my recruitment processes that information has always been given to the recruitment process in a separate form without names [08:52] mungbean: "We're not a soul-crushing place to work! We have gingers working for us, they don't even HAVE souls to crush!" [08:52] there is a tendency for some people to incorrectly think that somebody caleld abdul al-shaqa can't speak good english [08:53] I can't stand to work with people with green eyes.... (only kidding, I'm referring to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeK759FF84s ) [08:53] * popey covers his eyes [08:53] popey: I have green eyes ;) [08:53] what do you say if an interviewer asks you what you do on a saturday night? [08:53] dwatkins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmyq9tIiu8g [08:54] depends mungbean if you're a normal person or if you're you [08:54] try normal person [08:54] * dwatkins pauses Psy Chill DI radio [08:54] might mention that my daughter is in a ballet competition [08:55] you have a very unusual barrier between your personal life and your work life [08:55] I've known a few people like that at work [08:55] mungbean: I used to work with a sales guy whose interview process included taking the victim out on a Friday night and getting them drunk, to see how they handled it [08:55] I need some tunes to drown out the wailing child next door. Any suggestions? (need to be coding friendly) [08:55] i think maybe i've been hurt by public sector. private sector i never had an issue. public has the worst examples of everything (sexism, bullying, violent behaviour, etc) [08:56] bigcalm: lullaby by mozart [08:56] mungbean: it's music for me, not her [08:56] My boss usually knows what I'm doing on a Friday night, as we often go to the pub as a team. [08:56] bigcalm: A Long Way to Fall by Ulrich Schnauss [08:57] bigcalm: http://open.spotify.com/album/1T6VXkSGLyGwJ1l0555IBb [08:57] :D [08:57] Gah [08:57] I stopped Orbital for that playlist [08:57] * bigcalm kippers popey [08:57] bigcalm: http://open.spotify.com/user/martijnvds/playlist/1g55QqilucQ0qr1x4Sv5fw ? [08:57] MartijnVdS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNSsdVUK4HI [08:58] i am reminded of when i joined a bank in november 1999 and i asked if they'd done their y2k work? of course. then when i joined it turned out they'd done the paperwork and i had to upgrade 100 servers. [08:58] companies that pride themselves on investors in people should deal with bad bullying and sexism etc [09:00] I suspect if anyone did anything like that here, people would just stare at them in disbelief uyntil they left out of shame [09:00] hehe [09:00] MartijnVdS: Listening to A Long Way to Fall, it's good :) [09:01] oh man [09:01] Finnish newspaper has gone full retard [09:01] "The university has published the list of the new name days" [09:01] ಠ_ಠ [09:02] "You can check your own given names from for example your driving license" [09:02] (caption under a picture of a driving license) [09:02] whut [09:02] Myrtti: maybe average intelligence dropped? [09:02] summer staff? [09:03] Cucumber time! (as we call it in Dutch) [09:03] mungbean: Finnish summer ended last week, as schools started [09:03] holiday hangover? [09:03] Myrtti: New hires then? [09:03] maybe [09:03] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_day doesn't even list the UK [09:03] Just-out-of-school journos [09:04] is there a Myrtti day? [09:05] mungbean: 30th of April [09:05] The birthday of our king's grandmother [09:06] well, for my given name, not my nick [09:06] exact match? [09:06] or you have to choose one if yours isn't listed? [09:06] ah, mine is listed [09:07] 19 october is cool. Viking [09:07] mungbean: it's even the first one on the list as it's alphabetically first [09:18] good morning all [09:20] Hello dvee === iahmad|lunch is now known as iahmad [09:22] Hiiii [09:24] * neuro yawns profusely [09:24] 'ning all [09:24] Morning [09:25] troubleshooting mysql on *windows* is not my idea of fun, but that's what i spent last night doing [09:25] i feel dirty [09:25] neuro: sqlyog :) [09:25] nah [09:25] It's one of the very few windows applications that I still use in Linux [09:25] mysql workbench + sequel pro + cygwin openssh [09:26] i had to install some software last night to give windows server 2008 the capability to make a ramdisk [09:26] windows server 2008! [09:26] i bet 2012 doesn't do it natively either [09:26] gosh, 10:30 and no brekkie yet [09:27] Wizard needs food, badly. [09:27] * neuro has two rolls and sausage sitting beside him [09:27] can't face eating them yet [09:27] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mMJio2MO6w [09:27] cuppa getting colder by the second [09:27] used to love that game [09:27] fag hanging out of mouth [09:27] i'm so screwed up this morning [09:27] aww guys, I'm cutting down and this chat isn't helping :/ [09:27] gauntlet? [09:28] I had Gauntlet II on the NES [09:28] so good [09:28] hamitron: sorry! keep it up! [09:28] the NES? [09:28] pffff [09:28] i had the acorn version called dunjunz [09:28] haha [09:28] I didn't mean to turn it into a "who has the oldest computer" war [09:28] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ATARI-GAUNTLET-NON-JAMMA-VIDEO-GAME-BOARD-/281142020219?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41755ec87b [09:28] So Internet [09:28] buy the original arcade board ☻ [09:28] virtually no 8-bit systems could do decent coin-op conversions [09:28] 'cept the PC Engine [09:28] completed it with my mates, i was the only one left, felt like a hero [09:29] popey: niiiiice [09:29] might dig out my arcade boards sometime [09:29] now I have a supergun [09:29] o rly [09:29] lots of chips there [09:29] yeah, bunch of boards in the loft [09:29] somebody somewhere should make a supergun 2 with hdmi and all the trimmings [09:30] from before you were married or after? [09:30] lol [09:30] ziiiiing [09:30] Scramble, Side Arms, R-Type, R-Type II, R-Type Leo, Ghosts & Goblins, Bomb Jack, Nemesis.. [09:30] oh man [09:30] apres kids [09:30] but you lost your man cave :( [09:30] sir, your taste in games is top class [09:30] haha [09:30] I gave my upright cabinet to london hackspace [09:31] along with a Neo Geo 6-slot and a bunch of games [09:31] popey: i had no idea you were such a games geek [09:31] but yes, a supergun + hdmi would be awesome [09:31] displayport might be easier [09:31] ooh yeah [09:32] http://www.ebay.com/itm/MINI-SUPERGUN-CONSOLIZED-PRO-HDMI-VGA-HDTV-ATOMISWAVE-ARCADE-JAMMA-NEO-GEO-CPS2-/160996335778?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item257c2120a2&nma=true&si=PXqG2b%252BA5OESnhoSGJzP2L5lMfU%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 [09:32] whaaaaat [09:32] if you could find a nice big 4:3 display that would be awesome [09:32] wtf [09:33] omgomg [09:35] http://www.stylist.co.uk/books/every-doctor-who-annual [09:35] heh, just found a photo of me online at a games meetup [09:35] http://www.stickycarpet.com/malc/gameon.html [09:35] got some of these oldies in the loft alongside the beano [09:36] good domain name [09:36] yeah [09:36] sticky anything just reminds me of teenage boys :S [09:37] gameboy r-type was pretty good [09:37] yeah, it wasn't bad [09:37] used the greyscale quite effectively iirc [09:37] did you ever use your yubikey popey ? [09:38] yes [09:39] what's a typical use case? [09:39] gmail, lastpass, launchpad [10:13] Good morning TheOpenSourcerer [10:13] yo? Sup? [10:13] s'cool, 'scool [10:14] anyone got 20M USD they don't need? [10:14] * shauno checks the back of the couch [10:18] shauno: your hide-from-Daleks-spot? ;) [10:21] Can't My Shuttleworth put up the remaining cash? [10:21] *Mr [10:22] money down the drain [10:22] related note: i'm waiting for mr. post office man to deliver my firefox os phone [10:25] correction $20,266,500 [10:27] huh, i've got my µSD and µSIM adapter, but no phone [10:27] Morning all [10:27] Hopefully peoples jobs with Canonical aren't at risk if the project doesn't go ahead [10:28] I doubt they've manufactured the devices beforehand :-P [10:28] DJones, eventually canonical needs a money spinner of some kind [10:28] DJones, lots of their projects have been a bust - e.g. ubuntu tv [10:30] people's jobs at canonical are always at a risk while sabdfl bankrolls the company. although i assume they are break even atm? [10:30] directhex: Was reading this last night http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/08/why-ubuntus-creator-still-invests-his-fortune-in-an-unprofitable-company/ which was quite interesting [10:31] * AlanBell suspects Canonical have a plan [10:31] if you're a gazillionaire you want to make a difference, a big splash, rather than a humdrum company [10:31] AlanBell: A what-now? [10:31] the phones were a toe in water [10:32] a single platform that spans everything from phones and tablets to PCs, servers, and my butt. [10:32] cloud-to-butt <3 [10:34] mungbean: in the rankings sabdfl's net-worth is still 500M+ (as off 2012), considering canonical is quoted to be ~30M per year operation and has been going for 10 years now, this leads to assume that canonical is actually making profit. [10:34] he made other money too [10:34] $100m from some other spin off [10:35] you need a toy project to invest 10-20% of your portfolio that could change the world ;) [10:35] except bill gates waited until he retired and is now giving money away for good causes. good guy bill [10:36] was an utter jerk at MS [10:38] man tw_cli [10:38] No manual entry for tw_cli [10:38] tw_cli --help [10:38] Error: (CLI:041) Invalid shell command. [10:38] thanks 3ware for your wonderful software [10:47] mungbean, `tw_cli ?` [10:47] 3ware raid controller query tool [10:48] tw_cli help did something [10:48] lame tool thoug [10:48] mungbean: Must admit, I though Bill had passed away & that was why the charitable foundation was doing things [10:48] :-| [10:49] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_M_eO3okzU novel, never seen a tablet with a swappable battery before [10:49] i only know of 2 melindas [10:50] mungbean, note the backticks. [10:50] ah :P [10:51] root@tava:~# /root/ilmdaiwtki/bin/tw_cli ? [10:51] Copyright(c) 2004-2006 Applied Micro Circuits Corporation(AMCC). All rights reserved. [10:51] AMCC/3ware CLI (version 2.00.06.007) [10:51] ah yeah, does the same as help [10:51] tw_cli /c0 show is pretty sparse on detail [10:51] mungbean, /c0 show all [10:52] still doesn't tell me which disks are in the raid5 [10:52] excellent, i received the new DC jack for that laptop today - all working now :D [10:52] p15 DEVICE-ERROR u? 931.51 GB SATA 15 - ST31000528AS [10:52] took apart the second one and it's confirmed as the exact same fault \o/ [10:52] so back to ebay i went for a £3.45 DC jack ;) [10:52] mungbean, the raid array is a unit, e.g. "u0 RAID-10 OK - - 64K 4190.92 ON ON " [10:52] £6.90 to fix two laptops - can't be bad \o/ [10:52] mungbean, so look for disks with matching unit number [10:53] p15 shows u? [10:53] doing the maths, i think its u1 [10:53] mungbean, implies it's not part of the array. hotspare? [10:53] sounds like someone would appreciate the 3DM2 web interface being installed, mungbean \o/ [10:54] mungbean, there's also /c0/p15 show all [10:54] http://pastebin.com/ZUY6Ccea [10:55] unclear whether it is a HS or not [10:57] mungbean, /c0/u1 show all [10:57] /c0/u1 status = OK [10:57] hence not degraded. phew [10:57] none are degraded [10:57] ah this is what i was after, thanks [10:58] i.e. no degraded arrays [10:58] looks like a nice system :) [10:58] the size was misreported [10:58] /c0 Total Optimal Units = 2 [10:58] /c0 Not Optimal Units = 0 [10:58] I hate insurance companies :( [10:59] evil aren't they? [10:59] cheers directhex i can wait till person returns from holiday if the array is OK [10:59] i don't know where/if there are replacement drives you see [10:59] daftykins: horrible - they won't replace my lost phone because it didn't have a SIM [10:59] what O_O [10:59] exactly [11:00] so an insurance contract allegedly requires a SIM be in a phone now? D: [11:00] is that specified in small print? [11:00] mungbean: sadly yes [11:00] insurance sucks [11:00] in the massive list of "exclusions" [11:00] that's like saying the car insurance is only valid if the spare tire is present in the boot [11:00] i had MRI and i got made rednudant, but got no payments on the mortgage [11:01] I'm kicking up a stink and complaining like hell, but I don't know if I will get anywhere [11:01] needless to say i've not ever bought car insurance, so... :D [11:01] 15 months left on the contract :( [11:02] have a weird XFS issue [11:03] occasionally the filesystem enters a situation where io utilation goes to 100% and doesn't recover [11:03] eventually you have to reboot the storage server [11:03] erk [11:04] experienced it on more than 1 server [11:04] what kind of data is on that volume? lots of small files? [11:04] its a cluster, so probably all sorts of stuff, but yes [11:04] is an xfs filesystem on an LVM lv on a RAID5 volume on the 3Ware controller. Under "certain circumstances" IO becomes very slow, affecting jobs running on the cluster as well as interactive performance on the headnode. I believe this is caused by large numbers of small writes which are less than the RAID stripe width but could do with doing more investigation to establish this. [11:04] ^^ comment on the wiki page [11:05] iowait goes to 60% and util is 100% [11:05] the 12TB RAID6 i run on a 3ware runs with XFS [11:05] mostly media, a guy's DVD collection imaged 1:1 in ISOs [11:05] when i created the XFS volume it had an almost stripe size variable to it itself i think [11:06] perhaps a mismatch between that and the RAID stripe can make things go wobbly 0o [11:08] may not be 3ware related, i need to check the other server [11:08] contact SGI support! [11:09] you have an Enhanced XFS support contract, right? [11:09] yeah, i guess it'd be software [11:10] the other one is LSI [11:11] LSI bought 3ware though [11:11] so might just be the rebranding? [11:12] lspci looks quite different, certainly different cards [11:12] ah [11:13] moving to GPFS soon so ready to bin this anyway [11:13] is the egyptian dude mohammed badie a goodie or a baddie? [11:17] "The Ubuntu Edge shortfall is the same as it cost Mark to go into space." -mjg59 ..there u go dwatkins [11:22] When is the Ubuntu phone coming out? [11:22] Monotoko: there will be a software release in sync with 13.10 in October [11:23] popey: how much? And do they take regular SIM cards? [11:23] (I meant the actual phone, not the OS) [11:23] #ubuntu-touch [11:23] ^i think that's the channel with all the details and so forth [11:25] cheers daftykins (now to work out how to join a new channel with irssi) [11:25] /j #chan ;) [11:25] same as always then :P [11:26] Can I connect to multiple networks? [11:26] yep i'm on 2 [11:26] Monotoko: #irssi ;) [11:26] but yes, you can [11:26] thanks, I will have a Google around first [11:26] i have to write all my irssi commands down as i forget them if irssi crashses [11:27] Monotoko: we don't have a release date for a phone yet [11:27] other than the ubuntu edge [11:27] http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge/x/1051579 [11:27] Monotoko, "the ubuntu phone" isn't coming out, unless someone sinks $20M into it within a couple of days [11:27] hehe, i just did them once to set it up initially, so now i don't have a clue how to do stuff \o/ [11:27] directhex: no [11:27] the ubuntu _edge_ [11:27] Ubuntu Phone != Ubuntu Edge [11:28] Ubuntu Phone ∋ Ubuntu Edge ;) [11:28] Ack... 20 mil to go [11:29] ^_^ [11:29] i almost don't want it to get a time extension so i won't have to hear about it anymore \o/ [11:29] Nice. [11:30] a time extension won't help with the missteps that lead to this point [11:31] popey [11:31] dvrr: other people are available [11:32] if you have a question, ask away! [11:32] Is this going to be a java performance related question perhaps? [11:33] yes [11:33] i have already discussed [11:33] give it more RAM. [11:34] ya now available 16gb ram [11:35] give it more RAM... the solution to everything [11:35] or a reboot [11:35] either or [11:35] except 'why isn't more RAM working? :(' [11:35] :D [11:35] Faster SSDs! [11:35]