| Squirm | thanks nuvolari | 06:12 |
|---|---|---|
| Squirm | morning | 06:12 |
| superfly | morning Squirm | 06:15 |
| Squirm | hey superfly | 06:16 |
| superfly | morning kbmonkey | 06:19 |
| superfly | I mean Kilos | 06:19 |
| Kilos | hi superfly magespawn | 06:20 |
| Kilos | and others | 06:20 |
| Kilos | all good superfly ?? | 06:20 |
| magespawn | good morning | 06:21 |
| Kilos | hi Count_Janik | 06:21 |
| Count_Janik | hello | 06:21 |
| Kilos | have you been here before | 06:21 |
| Kilos | memory fails me | 06:22 |
| Count_Janik | indeed I have, but not for quite some time, so not surprising your memory failed | 06:22 |
| Kilos | hehe welcome back | 06:23 |
| magespawn | Maaz tell adeebnqo I thought, provisionally, Fridays between 20:00 and 21:00, maybe up till 22:00 if people want | 06:23 |
| Maaz | magespawn: Got it, I'll tell adeebnqo on freenode | 06:23 |
| Kilos | hi adeebnqo | 06:24 |
| adeebnqo | hello | 06:44 |
| Maaz | adeebnqo: By the way, magespawn on freenode told me "tell adeebnqo I thought, provisionally, Fridays between 20:00 and 21:00, maybe up till 22:00 if people want" 20 minutes and 41 seconds ago | 06:44 |
| adeebnqo | Kilos: do yu know who made the Maaz bot? | 06:46 |
| superfly | adeebnqo: Maaz is an ibid instance | 06:47 |
| Kilos | yessir cocooncrash | 06:47 |
| superfly | Maaz: google for ibid | 06:47 |
| Maaz | superfly: "Ibid. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibid. :: "IBid" http://ibid.illinois.gov/ :: "ibid. - definition of ibid. by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and ..." http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ibid. :: "meaning - What does 'Ibid' mean in reference/footnotes? - English ..." | 06:47 |
| Maaz | http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/27884/what-does-ibid-mean-in-reference-footnotes :: "Ibid Examples - Examples - YourDictionar… | 06:47 |
| Kilos | and maintained by tumbleweed | 06:47 |
| superfly | errr | 06:47 |
| superfly | Maaz: google for ibid irc bot | 06:47 |
| Maaz | superfly: "Ibid Wiki | Main / HomePage" http://ibid.omnia.za.net/ :: "Ibid 0.1.1 : Python Package Index" https://pypi.python.org/pypi/Ibid :: "Ibid – Freecode" http://freecode.com/projects/ibid :: "Ibid chat bot - Launchpad Blog" http://blog.launchpad.net/projects/ibid-chat-bot :: "Comparison of Internet Relay Chat bots - Wikipedia, the free ..." | 06:47 |
| Maaz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_bots :: "Ubuntu – Details of package ibi… | 06:47 |
| superfly | that's better | 06:47 |
| adeebnqo | thanks, lemme bookmark these --- i've been wanting to make a DC++ bot for a while now | 06:49 |
| superfly | hi maiatoday! | 06:54 |
| Kilos | hiya maiatoday | 06:55 |
| maiatoday | hi Kilos | 06:56 |
| Kilos | wbb | 07:48 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 08:26 |
| Kilos | well kde works through router to 3g | 08:27 |
| Kilos | took many reboots from both sides | 08:27 |
| Kilos | and iftop works | 08:28 |
| psyatw | hi Kilos | 08:29 |
| Kilos | hi psyatw howsit | 08:29 |
| psyatw | I am fine | 08:29 |
| psyatw | doing boring stuff at work as usual | 08:30 |
| Kilos | lol | 08:30 |
| psyatw | but at least I am reading things that are more interesting | 08:30 |
| Kilos | what you reading? | 08:30 |
| psyatw | oracle, j2ee, some linux stuff etc. | 08:31 |
| psyatw | anything that helps me increase my IT knowledge | 08:31 |
| Kilos | good man | 08:31 |
| psyatw | yeah | 08:31 |
| psyatw | I got a contract for one more year | 08:31 |
| Kilos | did you see all the links inetpro put in here night before last | 08:31 |
| psyatw | in that time I want to have learned enough things to move up in the company or go somewhere else | 08:32 |
| Kilos | bash stuff | 08:32 |
| psyatw | no, I didn´t | 08:32 |
| Kilos | aw and im on another drive | 08:32 |
| Kilos | you know how to read logs | 08:32 |
| psyatw | yes, I must have some logs at home | 08:32 |
| psyatw | if I haven´t missed the links entirely | 08:33 |
| Kilos | he says its important to know that before we worry about python | 08:33 |
| psyatw | oh | 08:33 |
| Kilos | no man online logs | 08:33 |
| psyatw | yeah, python is one of the things I also want to learn | 08:33 |
| psyatw | oh, I see | 08:33 |
| Kilos | so even before the stuff your learning maybe better to brush up | 08:33 |
| Kilos | i always forget how to go read logs | 08:34 |
| psyatw | does it require any special knowledge? | 08:35 |
| psyatw | I know my way around programming languages | 08:35 |
| Kilos | Maaz: google irc #ubuntu-za logs for 18.o8.2013 | 08:37 |
| Kilos | ai! | 08:37 |
| Maaz | Kilos: "Ubuntu ZA - Ubuntu South Africa LoCo" http://ubuntu-za.org/ :: "Get Ubuntu | Ubuntu ZA - Ubuntu South Africa LoCo" http://ubuntu-za.org/get-ubuntu :: "Feed aggregator | Ubuntu ZA - Ubuntu South Africa LoCo" http://ubuntu-za.org/planet :: "Xubuntu | Ubuntu ZA - Ubuntu South Africa LoCo" http://ubuntu-za.org/category/distribution/xubuntu :: "South Africa - | 08:37 |
| Maaz | irc2go - Chat Rooms" http://en.irc2go.com/?q=south+africa :: "Bug #1033579 “NM doesn't au… | 08:37 |
| Kilos | Maaz: sorry | 08:37 |
| Maaz | Don't be sorry Kilos Be careful. | 08:37 |
| Kilos | ive only managed Hello World | 08:37 |
| psyatw | oh, don´t worry | 08:37 |
| psyatw | it will all make sense | 08:37 |
| psyatw | the thing is to fail fast and often so you learn from your mistakes | 08:38 |
| Kilos | lol | 08:39 |
| Kilos- | http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ | 08:49 |
| Kilos- | http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/Bash-Beginners-Guide.html | 08:49 |
| Kilos | sorry i shoulda put them on my channel | 08:51 |
| psyatw | thanks | 08:57 |
| psyatw | what is your channel? | 08:58 |
| Kilos | ##kilos | 08:58 |
| Kilos | you never been there? | 08:58 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 08:58 |
| psyatw | no, I didn´t know it existed | 08:59 |
| Kilos | thats where we help each other with prohibeted stuff here | 08:59 |
| Kilos | prohibited | 08:59 |
| psyatw | that sounds like a good idea | 08:59 |
| Kilos | you welcome to join | 09:00 |
| psyatw | thanks | 09:00 |
| psyatw | I am already there | 09:00 |
| Kilos | wbb just gonna disconnect router | 09:14 |
| === Kilos- is now known as Kilos | ||
| Kilos | môre inetpro | 09:25 |
| Kilos | hi Superhuman | 09:59 |
| Superhuman | hi Kilos | 10:01 |
| psyatw | hallo Übermensch | 10:05 |
| Kilos | hehe he missed that | 10:10 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | hey peeps | 11:47 |
| Kilos | hi ThatGraemeGuy | 12:04 |
| Kilos | no one talking today | 12:05 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | seems like it | 12:06 |
| * ThatGraemeGuy got the job offer he's been interviewing for over the past 4 weeks | 12:07 | |
| ThatGraemeGuy | woop woop!! | 12:07 |
| Kilos | well done | 12:10 |
| Kilos | congrats | 12:10 |
| Kilos | what you gonna do there | 12:10 |
| Kilos | just dont move and forget irc hey | 12:11 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | http://hetznercareers.theresumator.com/apply/upwoeD/Linux-And-Database-System-Engineer.html | 12:12 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | ^^ that ^^ | 12:12 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | time to start learning some ruby | 12:15 |
| Kilos | well done | 12:18 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | thanks :) | 12:24 |
| nuvolari | o/ hello's :) | 12:28 |
| Kilos | yo nuvolari | 12:34 |
| superfly | hey, well done ThatGraemeGuy! | 12:39 |
| magespawn | you fill all of that ThatGraemeGuy ? | 12:39 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | thanks :) | 12:39 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | fill the requirements, or fill the form? ;) | 12:40 |
| magespawn | the requirements | 12:40 |
| Kilos | hahaha | 12:41 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | most of them | 12:42 |
| magespawn | cool, well done | 12:42 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | i'm not super strong on DB stuff | 12:42 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | and i don't have 10+ years | 12:42 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | but i told them that and i managed to impress them enough anyway | 12:43 |
| magespawn | nice one | 12:43 |
| Kilos | maybe they liked the way you comb your hair | 12:43 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | i managed to build a multi-master mysql cluster in under a day and use it as backend for a wordpress cluster | 12:43 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | which even impressed me :D | 12:43 |
| Kilos | but great. once you in you can brush up whats needed | 12:44 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | my hair is shaved most of the time | 12:44 |
| Kilos | lol | 12:44 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | so is the MD's and 1 of the other guys in the team so maybe that did have something to do with it ;-) | 12:44 |
| magespawn | i sure it did | 12:45 |
| Kilos | hehe | 12:45 |
| magespawn | may i ask a personal question ThatGraemeGuy ? | 12:45 |
| Kilos | or its like that old song | 12:46 |
| Kilos | the more you deceive them the more they like your technique | 12:46 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | you can ask anything.... i'll decide later if i can answer :P | 12:46 |
| magespawn | what is the industry expected salary for that kind of job? feel free to direct to sites rather than giving precise details | 12:47 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | in my experience anywhere between 30k and 40k depending on skills and experience | 12:49 |
| magespawn | per month? | 12:49 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | yeah | 12:49 |
| magespawn | thats is more than i earn a year, lol | 12:49 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | :-o | 12:49 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | you work for a slave driver? ;-) | 12:50 |
| magespawn | no not really, have lots of free time, but field guiding has never paid very well ever | 12:50 |
| Kilos | study magespawn youll get there | 12:51 |
| magespawn | when i was at the height of my salary earnings it was R5k to R6k per month | 12:52 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | you're not in the I.T. industry? | 12:52 |
| magespawn | indeed Kilos just need motovation | 12:52 |
| magespawn | motivation | 12:52 |
| Kilos | ill nag you daily if you like | 12:52 |
| magespawn | ThatGraemeGuy: i have my own shop internet cafe and pc repairs, but that only pays for itself | 12:53 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | its a start | 12:53 |
| magespawn | give me a chance to study IT and gain experience when i am not driving | 12:53 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | i wanted to do accounting/auditing stuff when i left school, didn't work out | 12:54 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | caught a lucky break doing desktop work and it grew from there | 12:54 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | that was 11 years ago | 12:55 |
| magespawn | done A+ and N+, busy with MCITP, and picking up all the linux skills i can along the way | 12:55 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | hang in there, work hard, it'll come to you :) | 12:55 |
| magespawn | i have been a guide for 13 years now | 12:55 |
| magespawn | have to change career fish one is going to high school in 2016, R55k to R65k, per year | 12:58 |
| Kilos | and they web hosts | 12:59 |
| Kilos | with some sweet talk maybe we get a host for QA | 12:59 |
| magespawn | speaking of which bbl | 13:00 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | magespawn: this may interest you: http://businesstech.co.za/news/it-services/44018/best-paid-it-professionals-in-sa/ | 13:42 |
| inetpro | ThatGraemeGuy: nice job, and well done for getting that! | 13:49 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | thanks :) | 13:51 |
| magespawn | ty ThatGraemeGuy | 14:24 |
| charl | good afternoon | 14:42 |
| charl | hi Cantide | 14:42 |
| Cantide | hello~ | 14:43 |
| charl | how's it going | 14:43 |
| Cantide | it's going well :) | 14:43 |
| Cantide | was out in the garden a bit today | 14:43 |
| magespawn | hi Cantide charl | 14:44 |
| Cantide | magespawn, '< | 14:44 |
| charl | i spent hours biking through the forest in germany | 14:44 |
| charl | am tired now | 14:44 |
| charl | hi magespawn :) | 14:44 |
| Cantide | ahhh!! | 14:44 |
| Cantide | now that i would like to do! | 14:44 |
| Cantide | black forest? hehe | 14:44 |
| charl | no, that's far to the south | 14:45 |
| charl | i want to make a trip out in that direction though | 14:45 |
| charl | maybe i should do it, next month might be a good time, although i will need to book a hotel for a few nights | 14:45 |
| Cantide | it's the only forest i know in Germany :p | 14:45 |
| charl | half of germany is a forest :P | 14:46 |
| Cantide | lol | 14:46 |
| Cantide | i have a friend that stays near that area | 14:47 |
| Cantide | i forget the name of the town .-. | 14:47 |
| Cantide | Erolzheim? | 14:47 |
| charl | oh yeah in baden-württemberg, a very nice state | 14:48 |
| Cantide | >.< | 14:50 |
| charl | oh that's on the border of bayern too | 14:50 |
| charl | very very nice, those are two of the best states | 14:50 |
| Cantide | cool :) | 14:51 |
| Cantide | i should visit her sometime then >.< | 14:51 |
| charl | if you do it come the last week of september | 14:52 |
| charl | it's octoberfest week, it will be crazy but lots to see | 14:52 |
| charl | i want to head down to munchen myself but i still need to book a hotel | 14:53 |
| charl | i will probably stay outside munchen because they push the prices up like crazy during that week | 14:53 |
| Cantide | hehe | 14:55 |
| Cantide | yeah, i want to see Oktoberfest sometime :) | 14:55 |
| charl | the beer is expensive, i see they charge 10 euro per litre | 14:55 |
| charl | that's octoberfest prices for you | 14:56 |
| charl | you shouldn't think about it, just say "it's the experience" | 14:56 |
| Cantide | i wouldn't mind the prices if i'm only doing it once | 14:59 |
| Cantide | and i don't drink a lot :p | 14:59 |
| charl | http://www.oktoberfest.de/en/article/About+the+Oktoberfest/About+the+Oktoberfest/The+Prices+for+Beer+and+Other+Drinks/2363/ | 14:59 |
| charl | that's the english page | 14:59 |
| charl | a litre of water costs 7 euro, what?! | 14:59 |
| charl | nah man i tell you, if i drank a liter of beer i have had enough :P | 15:00 |
| charl | maybe 2 liter but that is my limit | 15:00 |
| Kilos | lo charl Cantide | 15:10 |
| Cantide | hey Kilos~ | 15:10 |
| Cantide | charl, same, i wouldn't drink more than 2L | 15:10 |
| charl | nah man i would get sick and throw up bah | 15:13 |
| charl | hey Kilos ! | 15:13 |
| charl | how's it going | 15:13 |
| Kilos | good ty everything working | 15:13 |
| charl | ah your problems have been resolved? | 15:13 |
| Kilos | drive that kept crashing here works np on other pc | 15:13 |
| charl | strange | 15:13 |
| Kilos | yeah and the dhcp with router worked after i deleted old connection settings and added new | 15:14 |
| Kilos | but same, so you tell me why | 15:14 |
| charl | ah yes | 15:14 |
| Kilos | both pcs can now use the 3g in the modem | 15:14 |
| charl | good to hear | 15:15 |
| charl | yeah sometimes it happens | 15:15 |
| charl | i don't know | 15:15 |
| Kilos | now i gotta find out how to cut router open and wire for external yagi | 15:16 |
| charl | oh you want to boost your wifi? | 15:16 |
| Kilos | gotta email that pretoria is gonna supply free wifi | 15:16 |
| charl | the government? | 15:16 |
| charl | municipality i mean | 15:16 |
| Kilos | but nearest hotspot from here atm in 15ks | 15:16 |
| charl | oh no man with a good antenna that's no problem | 15:17 |
| charl | you just need one of those mikrotik routerboards and a good antenna | 15:17 |
| Kilos | i will build a lekker 15 element yagi if i can just find the measurements | 15:17 |
| charl | hmmm never tried building one myself | 15:18 |
| Kilos | not buying no more stuff | 15:18 |
| charl | sounds interesting, keep us updated :) | 15:18 |
| charl | write a howto | 15:18 |
| charl | other people will also find it interesting | 15:18 |
| charl | afaik there is a very strong wug initiative in south africa | 15:19 |
| Kilos | i found a site that gave a file that you could print and lay out on the table with everything where it must be but aint gotta printer | 15:19 |
| charl | in europe cable/ftth mostly killed that | 15:19 |
| Kilos | ya ptawug is right here but they wanna sell the equipment | 15:19 |
| charl | strange, usually they allow you to get on it for free | 15:20 |
| charl | it's a non-profit community network according to http://www.ptawug.co.za/ | 15:21 |
| Kilos | ya but if you outa town you need antenna etc | 15:23 |
| Kilos | i think the kit is R1600 | 15:23 |
| charl | yeah that's usually the case | 15:23 |
| charl | but you can source the hardware anyway you like and a lot of people are building their own antennas | 15:24 |
| charl | there is also an irc channel, have you tried connecting on that? | 15:24 |
| charl | there might be some okes with suggestions | 15:24 |
| Kilos | i just dunno if i can tell the router to search for outside wifi or if it only supplies wifi locally | 15:24 |
| charl | oh you mean connect upstream, that's a difficult question | 15:25 |
| Kilos | yeah i spoke to the ptawug guys | 15:25 |
| Kilos | if not ill try get a wireless adapter for pc and then search | 15:25 |
| charl | i don't know if an ordinary wireless adapter will work, they are meant for short range | 15:26 |
| Kilos | with an outside antenna of course | 15:27 |
| Kilos | wb inetpro | 15:27 |
| inetpro | oops! | 15:28 |
| inetpro | that was me pressing disconnect accidentally | 15:28 |
| inetpro | Kilos: where's that nick? | 15:28 |
| Kilos | hehe what you broke | 15:28 |
| inetpro | lekker stupid | 15:28 |
| inetpro | nee man, als weer reg | 15:28 |
| magespawn | lol | 15:29 |
| charl | Kilos: it also depends on the transmission power of the wifi adapter, but i'm not the expert on this | 15:29 |
| charl | wb inetpro | 15:30 |
| Kilos | i gotta find a hardware guru to explain why that drives works fine in another machine | 15:30 |
| magespawn | i wonder it the wug will be allowed to share the free Pretoria wifi? also what the speeds and usages will be? | 15:30 |
| Kilos | a good yagi boost incoming as well as outgoing inetpro | 15:30 |
| charl | magespawn: if somebody else is hooked up and they also happen to be on the wug you could vpn through them | 15:31 |
| charl | people used to do that with dsl too | 15:31 |
| magespawn | maybe the cables or the board Kilos | 15:31 |
| Kilos | oh inetpro i wanted to ask you, how have you connected an external antenna to your router | 15:31 |
| magespawn | ahh charl but will they allow it and will the wifi be able to handle all those extra users? | 15:32 |
| Kilos | all our cities are planning on supplying free wifi | 15:32 |
| Kilos | you got a mail coming with all the links magespawn | 15:33 |
| magespawn | ty Kilos | 15:34 |
| charl | magespawn: that i wouldn't know, but the promise of free wifi sounds overly ambitious | 15:34 |
| magespawn | indeed | 15:34 |
| Kilos | i deleted one last week where they say its a govt thing i think to supply wifi | 15:34 |
| Kilos | that afrihost 5g for under R150 also sounds good if you dont mind contracts | 15:36 |
| Cantide | Kilos, yeah, i saw that on the news | 15:36 |
| Cantide | about PTA | 15:36 |
| Kilos | afrihost mobile | 15:36 |
| Kilos | if they supply to the city i just gotta make a good enough antenna to tap in | 15:37 |
| Kilos | oh magespawn the same cabling and mboard are working here on kde | 15:38 |
| Kilos | weird | 15:38 |
| Kilos | hardware incompatibility | 15:39 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | Kilos: the afrihost thing is month-to-month, not contract | 15:59 |
| Kilos | oh wow thats wonderful | 15:59 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | i managed to snag one in the second batch they made available | 16:00 |
| Kilos | id go mad with 5g a month | 16:00 |
| Kilos | wow | 16:00 |
| Kilos | is it telkom? | 16:00 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | mtn | 16:00 |
| Kilos | i have bought 8ta airtime for next 3 to 4 months already | 16:01 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | should receive it early in sept | 16:01 |
| Kilos | oh no mtn sucks here | 16:01 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | home time, i'm off! | 16:01 |
| * ThatGraemeGuy waves | 16:01 | |
| Kilos | go well | 16:01 |
| === space_ is now known as Space | ||
| inetpro | Kilos: a wifi network and a wireless network the WUG style are two different things | 16:40 |
| inetpro | wifi is very short range | 16:40 |
| Kilos | oh my | 16:41 |
| Kilos | you didnt tell me how you got the external aerial in your whatever | 16:42 |
| Kilos | for 3g | 16:42 |
| Kilos | did it just plug in or have to be wired internally | 16:42 |
| inetpro | and with a wifi network you can connect directly to the network from your PC while on a normal wireless network you need a special router | 16:42 |
| inetpro | Kilos: I screw it on | 16:44 |
| Kilos | onot what? | 16:44 |
| Kilos | onot | 16:44 |
| inetpro | have an integrated port for connectivity | 16:44 |
| Kilos | onto | 16:44 |
| inetpro | on the router | 16:44 |
| Kilos | oh built in port | 16:45 |
| inetpro | yebo yes, the thing was built with an external antenna in mind | 16:45 |
| Kilos | aha | 16:45 |
| inetpro | and then it has a physical switch to either switch to internal antenna or external | 16:45 |
| Kilos | nice | 16:46 |
| inetpro | but I've seen modern routers without the physical switch | 16:46 |
| inetpro | but with the option in the config | 16:46 |
| inetpro | call it a software switch | 16:46 |
| Kilos | oh its a 3g router with 3g built in? | 16:47 |
| inetpro | yebo yes | 16:47 |
| inetpro | and with Wifi broadcasting | 16:47 |
| Kilos | and wifi locally | 16:47 |
| inetpro | yebo yes | 16:47 |
| inetpro | nou verstaan hy! | 16:48 |
| Kilos | ok | 16:48 |
| Kilos | now | 16:48 |
| inetpro | :-) | 16:48 |
| inetpro | ok forget about broadcasting | 16:48 |
| Kilos | if i put a wireless adapter in pc with external aerial and i can pick up a wireless signal | 16:49 |
| inetpro | not really the same thing | 16:49 |
| Kilos | no man | 16:49 |
| Kilos | wiat and listen | 16:49 |
| Kilos | wait too | 16:49 |
| * inetpro is ene ore | 16:49 | |
| Kilos | lol | 16:49 |
| Kilos | so with a wireless card in pc and external aerial and i find a hotspot then my router will wifi locally via the pc? | 16:50 |
| * inetpro luister maar hoor niks | 16:50 | |
| inetpro | ahh... :-) | 16:50 |
| Kilos | jy baie cheeky | 16:50 |
| inetpro | ai! | 16:51 |
| inetpro | nee man | 16:51 |
| inetpro | you want to get jailed? | 16:51 |
| Kilos | no man the wifi is gonna be free | 16:51 |
| Kilos | ill mail you the mail | 16:52 |
| inetpro | you want to take somebody else's network and re-broadcast? | 16:52 |
| inetpro | ai! | 16:52 |
| inetpro | Kilos: nee meneer | 16:52 |
| Kilos | no man in the house only | 16:52 |
| inetpro | if you want to do that you will have to ask for permission | 16:53 |
| inetpro | and you will most likely not get that permission | 16:53 |
| Kilos | even for personal use | 16:53 |
| Kilos | there is only me here and sissie with tablet | 16:54 |
| inetpro | that free thing from mr Knott-Craig junior is a nice pipe dream | 16:54 |
| inetpro | and I wish him good luck | 16:54 |
| kbmonkey | oh morning superfly - sorry I was away at the time | 16:55 |
| Kilos | oh | 16:55 |
| inetpro | while I do hope that it does realise | 16:55 |
| inetpro | but I have my doubts | 16:55 |
| kbmonkey | evening all | 16:55 |
| Kilos | oh well i got 8ta still | 16:55 |
| Kilos | hi kbmonkey | 16:55 |
| inetpro | Kilos: it will only be available in a few small areas | 16:56 |
| Kilos | anyway i got 8ta and router works with 3g so all good | 16:56 |
| Kilos | ty for the info | 16:56 |
| inetpro | and the way I see it, he wants it to be free for the poor | 16:56 |
| Kilos | but i may still experiment hey? | 16:56 |
| inetpro | but how do you define an area as a poor area | 16:57 |
| inetpro | ? | 16:57 |
| Kilos | well man im the poor | 16:57 |
| Kilos | hehe | 16:57 |
| inetpro | you clearly live in the wrong area | 16:57 |
| Kilos | lol | 16:57 |
| inetpro | because I doubt whether that signal will get even close to you | 16:57 |
| Kilos | you dunno the power of a 15 element yagi | 16:58 |
| Kilos | antenna design is very interesting | 16:59 |
| inetpro | Kilos: a wifi signal only goes for like 20 meters | 16:59 |
| Kilos | im talking wireless | 17:01 |
| inetpro | jaja, but please don't mix the two | 17:02 |
| inetpro | Kilos: talk to the WUG guys | 17:02 |
| Kilos | yip will next month | 17:03 |
| Kilos | ty for the guidance | 17:03 |
| Kilos | will make my antenna then they can see when it connects | 17:03 |
| Kilos | ive made the folded dipole already | 17:05 |
| Kilos | its tiny | 17:05 |
| inetpro | Kilos: see High Gain Yagi Antenna http://www.poyntingdefence.com/index.php?q=catalogue|productinfo,10,High-Gain-Yagi-Antenna | 17:06 |
| inetpro | that ^^ is just one of many different antennas they have | 17:06 |
| Kilos | ty | 17:07 |
| Kilos | im not gonna buy one | 17:08 |
| Kilos | when my one is made ill show you a pic | 17:09 |
| Kilos | but this isnt an urgent thing | 17:09 |
| inetpro | if they were easy to make you would see a lot more competition | 17:09 |
| inetpro | and I'm not saying it is not easy | 17:09 |
| Kilos | i made yagis for radio use many years ago | 17:10 |
| inetpro | but you have to build according to specs | 17:10 |
| Kilos | still have fomula in head | 17:10 |
| Kilos | 486/freq in meg | 17:10 |
| Kilos | but 492 was always closer i think | 17:11 |
| Kilos | didnt need as much tuning | 17:11 |
| inetpro | but Kilos, didn't you say that you can see the tower with your naked eye? | 17:13 |
| Kilos | ya but thats 3g im talking wireless | 17:14 |
| inetpro | why? | 17:14 |
| Kilos | then i can wireless the ptawug | 17:14 |
| inetpro | and internet? | 17:14 |
| Kilos | 3g | 17:15 |
| inetpro | ai! | 17:15 |
| Kilos | also the wug guys offered to download stuff for one and then you fetch it wireless | 17:15 |
| Kilos | there are quite a few ubuntu users in ptawug | 17:16 |
| inetpro | they must stop doing the own thing and start putting more pressure on the industry to reduce pricing | 17:17 |
| Kilos | go tell them | 17:18 |
| inetpro | then again, they mustn't stop doing their own thing | 17:18 |
| inetpro | they must keep doing it | 17:18 |
| Kilos | hehe | 17:18 |
| Kilos | also i gotta work out how to open a 3g modem and connect an external antenna to it | 17:19 |
| inetpro | actually more people need to be made aware that you can do things for free | 17:19 |
| Kilos | ian got poor signal where he is | 17:19 |
| inetpro | ahh, nou kom hy met sy storie | 17:21 |
| inetpro | :-) | 17:21 |
| Kilos | ai! | 17:21 |
| Kilos | jy baie cheeky | 17:21 |
| inetpro | I have to so I can understand your reasoning | 17:22 |
| * inetpro wbb | 17:23 | |
| Kilos | hee hee hee | 17:24 |
| magespawn | hey Kilos | 17:25 |
| Kilos | yo my magespawn | 17:25 |
| magespawn | some modems come with attachements for aerials | 17:27 |
| nuvolari | o/ good evening oom Kilos, magespawn, oom inetpro :P | 17:28 |
| Kilos | lo nuvolari | 17:28 |
| magespawn | and you can get a adapter for the ones that don't | 17:28 |
| magespawn | hey nuvolari | 17:28 |
| Kilos | one has to use what one has magespawn | 17:28 |
| Kilos | adapter?? | 17:29 |
| Kilos | to plugin aerial to 3g modem | 17:29 |
| magespawn | let find a link | 17:29 |
| Kilos | hi Vince-0 | 17:30 |
| Kilos | you not the same one with kde probs in the lists hey? | 17:30 |
| Vince-0 | haai | 17:31 |
| magespawn | https://resellers.lantic.net/index.php?page=shop.product_details&product_id=84&flypage=flypage.tpl&pop=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=66 | 17:39 |
| magespawn | sorry Kilos you won't be able to go that link | 17:41 |
| Kilos | np magespawn | 17:41 |
| kbmonkey | hi Vince-0 | 17:41 |
| Kilos | whats wrong with it | 17:41 |
| Kilos | oh resellers | 17:41 |
| Vince-0 | haai | 17:44 |
| Vince-0 | So RMS is pretty much confirmed for Duban | 17:45 |
| kbmonkey | Durban? Really?! The news read like it was only to be CT/JHB | 17:47 |
| kbmonkey | happy about that! | 17:47 |
| Vince-0 | those are confirmed, Durban at UKZN | 17:47 |
| Vince-0 | http://durbanlinux.org.za/?page_id=18 | 17:48 |
| kbmonkey | very cool | 17:48 |
| Vince-0 | ill do updates tonight | 17:48 |
| Vince-0 | may even pick him up at the airport | 17:49 |
| kbmonkey | epic! | 17:49 |
| Vince-0 | here are the durban notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gd3pE0r8X4iRPbPTe6pfv7UqdKFtaqb2r3W4SI0yweE/edit#heading=h.6tnj4daysmb0 | 17:49 |
| Vince-0 | Richard Keller is helping organise it, got the venue etc | 17:49 |
| kbmonkey | unbelievable, I am struggling to keep my eyes open and not even 8pm yet XD | 17:50 |
| Vince-0 | kbmonkey: stupid googledoc wasn't public - now you can see | 17:51 |
| kbmonkey | thanks Vince-0 :) | 17:51 |
| kbmonkey | This should be very good | 17:51 |
| Kilos | whew you not well kbmonkey ? | 17:51 |
| kbmonkey | did lots of leg work at the gym today Kilos. going tomorrow for upper body. | 17:52 |
| Kilos | ah | 17:52 |
| kbmonkey | still new, still adjusting ;) | 17:52 |
| kbmonkey | whoa, that google doc has it's style a bit confused, lol! must be my browser.. | 17:53 |
| kbmonkey | yeah.. I get this render bug with fixed-aligned css elements. | 17:54 |
| magespawn | Kilos: i cant find a picture at the moment | 17:55 |
| Kilos | np magespawn | 17:55 |
| Kilos | if its another 300 bucks or something ill work a way to wire cable in directly | 17:56 |
| magespawn | but it is a small black plastic pad that attaches to the aerial cable and then sits on top of the modem | 17:56 |
| Kilos | oh like an induction thing | 17:56 |
| Vince-0 | kbmonkey: your crazy terminal browsers? | 17:57 |
| magespawn | yup works well with the e220 | 17:57 |
| Kilos | cost? | 17:57 |
| kbmonkey | chrome browser Vince-0 - wow this is really happening hey, pretty exciting! | 17:58 |
| Vince-0 | yaar | 17:58 |
| Kilos | ill most likely be doing it on ians vodafone modem anyway, dont wanna mess up the modem that works in the router | 17:59 |
| Kilos | but what is the thing called magespawn | 18:00 |
| magespawn | Kilos: about R250 i think | 18:00 |
| Kilos | eish | 18:00 |
| magespawn | we call it a skilpad, but i am sure thats not the proper name | 18:00 |
| magespawn | i will see what i can find tomorrow | 18:01 |
| Kilos | ty | 18:01 |
| Kilos | but thats lotsa data | 18:01 |
| magespawn | that is the one from @lantic, so let me see if i can find a cheeper one | 18:03 |
| magespawn | and here is a heads up for everyone, esquire in now offering laptops without a preinstalled os | 18:04 |
| kbmonkey | Kilos, did you see that preorder deal afrihost was giving out today of the 3G wifi hotspot device | 18:08 |
| Kilos | yeah | 18:08 |
| Kilos | first 1000 peeps | 18:09 |
| Kilos | but mtn sucks here\ | 18:09 |
| Kilos | edge only | 18:09 |
| Kilos | and 2 days a week offline | 18:09 |
| kbmonkey | awe :( | 18:10 |
| kbmonkey | after the 1000 they released another 4000 | 18:10 |
| kbmonkey | and when that was gone they did another 3000. | 18:10 |
| Kilos | you surely wont get that thing with just one R150? | 18:10 |
| kbmonkey | but youre right about that coverage | 18:10 |
| kbmonkey | who knows. I'll let you know next month ;) | 18:11 |
| nuvolari | oh hi apie :) | 18:11 |
| kbmonkey | was with afrihost before and they really gave me good service then | 18:11 |
| Kilos | you gonna try next month | 18:11 |
| kbmonkey | I get the device next month | 18:12 |
| kbmonkey | hallo nuvolari o/ | 18:12 |
| Kilos | yeah but out here the tower sucks and they got no plans to upgrade it | 18:12 |
| Kilos | thats why i went voda to start with | 18:12 |
| magespawn | kbmonkey: is it on contract? | 18:12 |
| kbmonkey | magespawn, just like their dsl packages, month to month | 18:13 |
| magespawn | do keep the device no matter what? | 18:13 |
| magespawn | you^ | 18:13 |
| kbmonkey | no matter what? | 18:14 |
| kbmonkey | I cannot say | 18:14 |
| magespawn | if you stop the service? | 18:14 |
| kbmonkey | but the rates are cheaper than any other mobile rates so undoubtedly why would you not use the service? | 18:14 |
| * magespawn goes to google | 18:14 | |
| kbmonkey | their t&c's probably cover that | 18:15 |
| kbmonkey | however I was not planning on taking the deal to scavenge their hardware | 18:15 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:15 |
| Kilos | i was | 18:15 |
| kbmonkey | http://www.afrihost.com/landing/mobile_data_preorder/ | 18:16 |
| Kilos | what does preorder mean | 18:16 |
| magespawn | yup you get the device for free if you got in on the preorder | 18:17 |
| magespawn | nice one | 18:17 |
| kbmonkey | likely mtn is supplying the hardware | 18:17 |
| magespawn | you order before the device is available Kilos | 18:18 |
| kbmonkey | magespawn, how much would those devices cost to manufacture? | 18:18 |
| magespawn | so have to wait, although not long in this case | 18:18 |
| kbmonkey | certainly not as much as advertised, realistically | 18:18 |
| Kilos | and they not gonna put it on contract once youve paid | 18:18 |
| magespawn | no much i would guess between R50 and maybe R250 at the most | 18:19 |
| Kilos | but who you gonna make a hotspot for anyway | 18:20 |
| Kilos | all your neighbours | 18:20 |
| magespawn | just yourself Kilos or people in the same room | 18:20 |
| kbmonkey | all your pc's ;) | 18:20 |
| * kbmonkey has more pcs than pairs of shoes | 18:20 | |
| Kilos | hehe | 18:21 |
| Kilos | i have 2 running with eth through router and place for 2 more\ | 18:21 |
| kbmonkey | the nice thing is that if your data runs out you dont get charged "out of bundle" rates like cell phone contracts do. they just cap you. no unepected surprises ;) | 18:21 |
| kbmonkey | voda did that to me. I was horrified by the bill. their customer support told me their service does not allow for capping. nice | 18:22 |
| Kilos | ai! | 18:22 |
| Kilos | better 8ta prepaid | 18:23 |
| Kilos | when it finish you need to buy more airtime | 18:23 |
| kbmonkey | =1 | 18:24 |
| kbmonkey | *+1 | 18:24 |
| Kilos | im actually chuffed with 8ta | 18:24 |
| magespawn | kbmonkey: somebody made a mistake, AFAIK they can do that | 18:24 |
| Kilos | got up to 803kB/s the other night | 18:24 |
| kbmonkey | lol, same Kilos ! | 18:25 |
| kbmonkey | soem nights I get 1MB! others fall flat to zero | 18:25 |
| magespawn | you can buy a phone for that MiFi modem price, that will do the same thing | 18:25 |
| magespawn | nice speed | 18:26 |
| kbmonkey | A phone would, but the data rates are a bit higher I think | 18:26 |
| Kilos | but isnt this router like doing the same thing magespawn | 18:26 |
| Kilos | can do 4 eth connections and i dunno how many wifi | 18:27 |
| magespawn | it is yes, it is what i use my galaxy pocket for | 18:27 |
| magespawn | routers are more powerful | 18:27 |
| kbmonkey | nice :) | 18:27 |
| Kilos | then i wont even think about mtn stuff | 18:28 |
| Kilos | i dont trust them | 18:28 |
| kbmonkey | my wifi router stopped working recently :( | 18:28 |
| Kilos | never had probs using them for old cell | 18:28 |
| Kilos | reset it kbmonkey | 18:28 |
| kbmonkey | so this will save me | 18:28 |
| Kilos | is it dead dead or what | 18:29 |
| kbmonkey | yar I suspect the transmitter is borked | 18:29 |
| Kilos | they got built in flash stuff | 18:29 |
| Kilos | ai! | 18:29 |
| kbmonkey | is a few years old | 18:29 |
| kbmonkey | I should maybe pry it open - could even be a broken wire ;) imagine that. lol | 18:30 |
| Kilos | did you try a reset | 18:31 |
| kbmonkey | yup | 18:31 |
| kbmonkey | factory reset | 18:31 |
| Kilos | hold the reset button in and then power on | 18:31 |
| Kilos | and hold another 10 secs | 18:31 |
| kbmonkey | many times over ;) | 18:31 |
| Kilos | aw | 18:31 |
| Kilos | thats sad | 18:31 |
| kbmonkey | gone to bit heaven | 18:31 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:32 |
| kbmonkey | no worries my phone becomes a hotspot if I want to copy files across | 18:32 |
| kbmonkey | I need a muffin | 18:33 |
| Kilos | if you gonna train everyday you must eat lotsa pasta if you can take it | 18:35 |
| kbmonkey | i made muffins with protein isolate. they are goood. | 18:35 |
| kbmonkey | wana bake again this weekend. | 18:36 |
| inetpro | Vince-0: your doc is still not public? | 18:36 |
| magespawn | kbmonkey: doesn't the high temp of the baking wreck the protein? | 18:41 |
| kbmonkey | lol, not unless I bake at 500 deg C | 18:43 |
| Kilos | and lotsa soya kbmonkey | 18:43 |
| Vince-0 | inetpro: | 18:43 |
| Kilos | there some nice soya mixes in stores | 18:43 |
| inetpro | Vince-0: pong | 18:44 |
| Vince-0 | its got other peoples details in it, seems we have a small organising committee | 18:44 |
| Kilos | beens are protein for non meat peeps | 18:44 |
| Vince-0 | 1sec, just making sure | 18:44 |
| inetpro | Vince-0: no problem, it doesn't have to be public | 18:45 |
| inetpro | just saying since you wrote, "stupid googledoc wasn't public - now you can see" | 18:46 |
| Kilos | google is painful at times | 18:48 |
| Kilos | again i had to go tell it ubuntu list mails arent spam | 18:49 |
| Kilos | grrr | 18:49 |
| inetpro | Kilos: hmm... | 18:49 |
| inetpro | make no mistake their spam filtering is still the best | 18:50 |
| inetpro | very rare to see a mistake like that | 18:50 |
| kbmonkey | Kilos, add the list to your contacts then it should not get spamboxed | 18:50 |
| Kilos | its the odd ones inetpro | 18:51 |
| Kilos | i get the replies then wonder where the one is with the prob | 18:51 |
| Vince-0 | 1 sec, shoulda asked peeps for consent of personal info | 18:51 |
| Kilos | like i got adrianas and monkeys but not vinces query | 18:52 |
| Vince-0 | oh no, i'm just being anal about this privacy thing | 18:52 |
| kbmonkey | rms's much? ;) | 18:52 |
| kbmonkey | I guess it is good to ask in case Vince-0 | 18:53 |
| inetpro | always good to ask first | 18:53 |
| Vince-0 | and I don't want to go to jail | 18:53 |
| Vince-0 | lool | 18:53 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:54 |
| Kilos | free food in jail | 18:54 |
| inetpro | Kilos: actually I just realised I also have a lot of valid mails in my spam folder | 18:54 |
| inetpro | something must have changed | 18:54 |
| Kilos | yeah its bad inetpro | 18:54 |
| Kilos | evry second month theres some that dont work | 18:55 |
| inetpro | Kilos: I think there is an element of learning involved | 19:00 |
| inetpro | if you mark it as "not SPAM" it learns from that | 19:00 |
| Kilos | thats what i do | 19:00 |
| Kilos | but you gotta do it every coupla months | 19:01 |
| Kilos | i dont mind them spamming peeps that try sell me viagra | 19:01 |
| inetpro | spam is damn difficult to control | 19:01 |
| magespawn | Kilos: what was that antispam program you found again? | 19:03 |
| Kilos | sugarplum | 19:04 |
| inetpro | one little program is not good enough these days | 19:05 |
| inetpro | you need a multitude of engines | 19:05 |
| Kilos | and theres spamassasin | 19:05 |
| magespawn | maybe if we crowd sugarplum, we coule make it work | 19:10 |
| Kilos | the mail peeps need spam fighters but first they have to understand what spam is | 19:11 |
| Kilos | and not block legitimate mail | 19:11 |
| inetpro | hmm... | 19:13 |
| inetpro | interesting reading: "Paul Theron, CEO of Vestact Limited, says that Cell C has decimated its own business case and will be dead within six months." | 19:14 |
| inetpro | http://businesstech.co.za/news/mobile/44470/cell-c-dead-by-2014-analyst/ | 19:14 |
| Kilos | wow | 19:14 |
| * inetpro wonders how he gets to that conclusion | 19:14 | |
| Kilos | publicity | 19:16 |
| Kilos | they say even bad publicity is better than none | 19:16 |
| inetpro | so you say he's helping cellc? | 19:17 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:17 |
| Kilos | well see if they die | 19:18 |
| Kilos | theres too much money involved to shut down | 19:19 |
| Kilos | mobile provision is big business | 19:19 |
| inetpro | all of them including CellC are still way to inefficient and overpriced | 19:20 |
| Kilos | yip its about money not good service | 19:20 |
| inetpro | and MTN is the worst of them all | 19:21 |
| Kilos | yip | 19:22 |
| inetpro | I would jump ship to CellC any time if they could show us a bit of prove of increased coverage | 19:24 |
| Kilos | you not happy with 8ta? | 19:24 |
| Kilos | im surprised you still use mtn | 19:24 |
| inetpro | 8ta is also useless in the rurals | 19:24 |
| Kilos | where are the urals | 19:25 |
| superfly | *proof | 19:25 |
| Kilos | rurals | 19:25 |
| inetpro | oops... thanks superfly | 19:25 |
| Kilos | hehe | 19:26 |
| Kilos | i didnt even see that | 19:26 |
| inetpro | Kilos: rurals are anywhere outside of the big cities | 19:27 |
| Kilos | so thats me and 8ta rocks here | 19:28 |
| inetpro | Kilos: no, you are part of the big city, whether you like it or not | 19:29 |
| Kilos | and mtn and voda use the same tower and their service sucks | 19:29 |
| Kilos | oh ok | 19:29 |
| inetpro | the sad part is that service is even bad in big cities | 19:30 |
| inetpro | but it is so much worse outside | 19:30 |
| Kilos | i see the pushing wireless in the cape flats as well | 19:30 |
| Kilos | wherever that might be | 19:30 |
| Kilos | yeah some of us dont even have a choice of adsl | 19:31 |
| inetpro | time that our guys learn a bit from the old days with an almost independent postal and telecoms service in each town | 19:31 |
| Kilos | everything is too modern and controlled | 19:32 |
| Kilos | and peeps dont wanna do anything themselves any more | 19:32 |
| Kilos | like wifi yagis | 19:32 |
| Kilos | easier to buy | 19:32 |
| Kilos | and tap resurfacing tools | 19:33 |
| * Kilos ducks | 19:33 | |
| inetpro | ai! | 19:33 |
| Kilos | night all.. sleep tight | 19:42 |
| kbmonkey | ah nite kilos | 20:01 |
| kbmonkey | Maaz, tell kilos good night sleep tight -.- | 20:01 |
| Maaz | kbmonkey: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode | 20:01 |
| superfly | hi kbmonkey | 20:18 |
| kbmonkey | hai o/ | 20:20 |
| superfly | I don't think I've ever made this many merges in one night... we're getting ready to release a bugfix release of OpenLP | 20:25 |
| magespawn | good night all | 20:32 |
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