[06:12] <Squirm> thanks nuvolari
[06:12] <Squirm> morning
[06:15] <superfly> morning Squirm
[06:16] <Squirm> hey superfly 
[06:19] <superfly> morning kbmonkey
[06:19] <superfly> I mean Kilos
[06:20] <Kilos> hi superfly magespawn 
[06:20] <Kilos> and others
[06:20] <Kilos> all good superfly ??
[06:21] <magespawn> good morning
[06:21] <Kilos> hi Count_Janik 
[06:21] <Count_Janik> hello
[06:21] <Kilos> have you been here before
[06:22] <Kilos> memory fails me
[06:22] <Count_Janik> indeed I have, but not for quite some time, so not surprising your memory failed
[06:23] <Kilos> hehe welcome back
[06:23] <magespawn> Maaz tell adeebnqo I thought, provisionally, Fridays between 20:00 and 21:00, maybe up till 22:00 if people want
[06:23] <Maaz> magespawn: Got it, I'll tell adeebnqo on freenode
[06:24] <Kilos> hi adeebnqo 
[06:44] <adeebnqo> hello
[06:44] <Maaz> adeebnqo: By the way, magespawn on freenode told me "tell adeebnqo I thought, provisionally, Fridays between 20:00 and 21:00, maybe up till 22:00 if people want" 20 minutes and 41 seconds ago
[06:46] <adeebnqo> Kilos: do yu know who made the Maaz bot?
[06:47] <superfly> adeebnqo: Maaz is an ibid instance
[06:47] <Kilos> yessir cocooncrash
[06:47] <superfly> Maaz: google for ibid
[06:47] <Maaz> superfly: "Ibid. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibid. :: "IBid" http://ibid.illinois.gov/ :: "ibid. - definition of ibid. by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and ..." http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ibid. :: "meaning - What does 'Ibid' mean in reference/footnotes? - English ..."
[06:47] <Maaz> http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/27884/what-does-ibid-mean-in-reference-footnotes :: "Ibid Examples - Examples - YourDictionar…
[06:47] <Kilos> and maintained by tumbleweed 
[06:47] <superfly> errr
[06:47] <superfly> Maaz: google for ibid irc bot
[06:47] <Maaz> superfly: "Ibid Wiki | Main / HomePage" http://ibid.omnia.za.net/ :: "Ibid 0.1.1 : Python Package Index" https://pypi.python.org/pypi/Ibid :: "Ibid – Freecode" http://freecode.com/projects/ibid :: "Ibid chat bot - Launchpad Blog" http://blog.launchpad.net/projects/ibid-chat-bot :: "Comparison of Internet Relay Chat bots - Wikipedia, the free ..."
[06:47] <Maaz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_bots :: "Ubuntu – Details of package ibi…
[06:47] <superfly> that's better
[06:49] <adeebnqo> thanks, lemme bookmark these --- i've been wanting to make a DC++ bot for a while now
[06:54] <superfly> hi maiatoday!
[06:55] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[06:56] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[07:48] <Kilos> wbb
[08:26] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:27] <Kilos> well kde works through router to 3g
[08:27] <Kilos> took many reboots from both sides
[08:28] <Kilos> and iftop works
[08:29] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[08:29] <Kilos> hi psyatw howsit
[08:29] <psyatw> I am fine
[08:30] <psyatw> doing boring stuff at work as usual
[08:30] <Kilos> lol
[08:30] <psyatw> but at least I am reading things that are more interesting
[08:30] <Kilos> what you reading?
[08:31] <psyatw> oracle, j2ee, some linux stuff etc.
[08:31] <psyatw> anything that helps me increase my IT knowledge
[08:31] <Kilos> good man
[08:31] <psyatw> yeah
[08:31] <psyatw> I got a contract for one more year
[08:31] <Kilos> did you see all the links inetpro put in here night before last
[08:32] <psyatw> in that time I want to have learned enough things to move up in the company or go somewhere else
[08:32] <Kilos> bash stuff
[08:32] <psyatw> no, I didn´t
[08:32] <Kilos> aw and im on another drive 
[08:32] <Kilos> you know how to read logs
[08:32] <psyatw> yes, I must have some logs at home
[08:33] <psyatw> if I haven´t missed the links entirely
[08:33] <Kilos> he says its important to know that before we worry about python
[08:33] <psyatw> oh
[08:33] <Kilos> no man online logs
[08:33] <psyatw> yeah, python is one of the things I also want to learn
[08:33] <psyatw> oh, I see
[08:33] <Kilos> so even before the stuff your learning maybe better to brush up
[08:34] <Kilos> i always forget how to go read logs
[08:35] <psyatw> does it require any special knowledge?
[08:35] <psyatw> I know my way around programming languages
[08:37] <Kilos> Maaz: google irc #ubuntu-za logs for 18.o8.2013
[08:37] <Kilos> ai!
[08:37] <Maaz> Kilos: "Ubuntu ZA - Ubuntu South Africa LoCo" http://ubuntu-za.org/ :: "Get Ubuntu | Ubuntu ZA - Ubuntu South Africa LoCo" http://ubuntu-za.org/get-ubuntu :: "Feed aggregator | Ubuntu ZA - Ubuntu South Africa LoCo" http://ubuntu-za.org/planet :: "Xubuntu | Ubuntu ZA - Ubuntu South Africa LoCo" http://ubuntu-za.org/category/distribution/xubuntu :: "South Africa -
[08:37] <Maaz> irc2go - Chat Rooms" http://en.irc2go.com/?q=south+africa :: "Bug #1033579 “NM doesn't au…
[08:37] <Kilos> Maaz: sorry
[08:37] <Maaz> Don't be sorry Kilos Be careful.
[08:37] <Kilos> ive only managed Hello World
[08:37] <psyatw> oh, don´t worry
[08:37] <psyatw> it will all make sense
[08:38] <psyatw> the thing is to fail fast and often so you learn from your mistakes
[08:39] <Kilos> lol
[08:49] <Kilos-> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[08:49] <Kilos-> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/Bash-Beginners-Guide.html
[08:51] <Kilos> sorry i shoulda put them on my channel
[08:57] <psyatw> thanks
[08:58] <psyatw> what is your channel?
[08:58] <Kilos> ##kilos
[08:58] <Kilos> you never been there?
[08:58] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:59] <psyatw> no, I didn´t know it existed
[08:59] <Kilos> thats where we help each other with prohibeted stuff here
[08:59] <Kilos> prohibited
[08:59] <psyatw> that sounds like a good idea
[09:00] <Kilos> you welcome to join
[09:00] <psyatw> thanks
[09:00] <psyatw> I am already there
[09:14] <Kilos> wbb just gonna disconnect router
[09:25] <Kilos> môre inetpro 
[09:59] <Kilos> hi Superhuman 
[10:01] <Superhuman> hi Kilos
[10:05] <psyatw> hallo Übermensch
[10:10] <Kilos> hehe he missed  that
[11:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> hey peeps
[12:04] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[12:05] <Kilos> no one talking today
[12:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> seems like it
[12:07]  * ThatGraemeGuy got the job offer he's been interviewing for over the past 4 weeks
[12:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> woop woop!!
[12:10] <Kilos> well done
[12:10] <Kilos> congrats
[12:10] <Kilos> what you gonna do there
[12:11] <Kilos> just dont move and forget irc hey
[12:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://hetznercareers.theresumator.com/apply/upwoeD/Linux-And-Database-System-Engineer.html
[12:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> ^^ that ^^
[12:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> time to start learning some ruby
[12:18] <Kilos> well done
[12:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> thanks :)
[12:28] <nuvolari> o/ hello's :)
[12:34] <Kilos> yo nuvolari 
[12:39] <superfly> hey, well done ThatGraemeGuy!
[12:39] <magespawn> you fill all of that ThatGraemeGuy ?
[12:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> thanks :)
[12:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> fill the requirements, or fill the form? ;)
[12:40] <magespawn> the requirements
[12:41] <Kilos> hahaha
[12:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> most of them
[12:42] <magespawn> cool, well done
[12:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm not super strong on DB stuff
[12:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> and i don't have 10+ years
[12:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> but i told them that and i managed to impress them enough anyway
[12:43] <magespawn> nice one
[12:43] <Kilos> maybe they liked the way you comb your hair
[12:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> i managed to build a multi-master mysql cluster in under a day and use it as backend for a wordpress cluster
[12:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> which even impressed me :D
[12:44] <Kilos> but great. once you in you can brush up whats needed
[12:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> my hair is shaved most of the time
[12:44] <Kilos> lol
[12:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> so is the MD's and 1 of the other guys in the team so maybe that did have something to do with it ;-)
[12:45] <magespawn> i sure it did
[12:45] <Kilos> hehe
[12:45] <magespawn> may i ask a personal question ThatGraemeGuy ?
[12:46] <Kilos> or its like that old song
[12:46] <Kilos> the more you deceive them the more they like your technique
[12:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can ask anything.... i'll decide later if i can answer :P
[12:47] <magespawn> what is the industry expected salary for that kind of job? feel free to direct to sites rather than giving precise details
[12:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> in my experience anywhere between 30k and 40k depending on skills and experience
[12:49] <magespawn> per month?
[12:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[12:49] <magespawn> thats is more than i earn a year, lol
[12:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-o
[12:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> you work for a slave driver? ;-)
[12:50] <magespawn> no not really, have lots of free time, but field guiding has never paid very well ever
[12:51] <Kilos> study magespawn youll get there
[12:52] <magespawn> when i was at the height of my salary earnings it was R5k to R6k per month
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> you're not in the I.T. industry?
[12:52] <magespawn> indeed Kilos just need motovation
[12:52] <magespawn> motivation
[12:52] <Kilos> ill nag you daily if you like
[12:53] <magespawn> ThatGraemeGuy: i have my own shop internet cafe and pc repairs, but that only pays for itself
[12:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> its a start
[12:53] <magespawn> give me a chance to study IT and gain experience when i am not driving
[12:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> i wanted to do accounting/auditing stuff when i left school, didn't work out
[12:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> caught a lucky break doing desktop work and it grew from there
[12:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> that was 11 years ago
[12:55] <magespawn> done A+ and N+, busy with MCITP, and picking up all the linux skills i can along the way
[12:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> hang in there, work hard, it'll come to you :)
[12:55] <magespawn> i have been a guide for 13 years now
[12:58] <magespawn> have to change career fish one is going to high school in 2016, R55k to R65k, per year
[12:59] <Kilos> and they web hosts
[12:59] <Kilos> with some sweet talk maybe we get a host for QA
[13:00] <magespawn> speaking of which bbl
[13:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> magespawn: this may interest you: http://businesstech.co.za/news/it-services/44018/best-paid-it-professionals-in-sa/
[13:49] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: nice job, and well done for getting that!
[13:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> thanks :)
[14:24] <magespawn> ty ThatGraemeGuy 
[14:42] <charl> good afternoon
[14:42] <charl> hi Cantide 
[14:43] <Cantide> hello~
[14:43] <charl> how's it going
[14:43] <Cantide> it's going well :)
[14:43] <Cantide> was out in the garden a bit today
[14:44] <magespawn> hi Cantide  charl 
[14:44] <Cantide> magespawn, '<
[14:44] <charl> i spent hours biking through the forest in germany
[14:44] <charl> am tired now
[14:44] <charl> hi magespawn :)
[14:44] <Cantide> ahhh!!
[14:44] <Cantide> now that i would like to do!
[14:44] <Cantide> black forest? hehe
[14:45] <charl> no, that's far to the south
[14:45] <charl> i want to make a trip out in that direction though
[14:45] <charl> maybe i should do it, next month might be a good time, although i will need to book a hotel for a few nights
[14:45] <Cantide> it's the only forest i know in Germany :p
[14:46] <charl> half of germany is a forest :P
[14:46] <Cantide> lol
[14:47] <Cantide> i have a friend that stays near that area
[14:47] <Cantide> i forget the name of the town .-.
[14:47] <Cantide> Erolzheim?
[14:48] <charl> oh yeah in baden-württemberg, a very nice state
[14:50] <Cantide> >.<
[14:50] <charl> oh that's on the border of bayern too
[14:50] <charl> very very nice, those are two of the best states
[14:51] <Cantide> cool :)
[14:51] <Cantide> i should visit her sometime then >.<
[14:52] <charl> if you do it come the last week of september
[14:52] <charl> it's octoberfest week, it will be crazy but lots to see
[14:53] <charl> i want to head down to munchen myself but i still need to book a hotel
[14:53] <charl> i will probably stay outside munchen because they push the prices up like crazy during that week
[14:55] <Cantide> hehe
[14:55] <Cantide> yeah, i want to see Oktoberfest sometime :)
[14:55] <charl> the beer is expensive, i see they charge 10 euro per litre
[14:56] <charl> that's octoberfest prices for you
[14:56] <charl> you shouldn't think about it, just say "it's the experience"
[14:59] <Cantide> i wouldn't mind the prices if i'm only doing it once
[14:59] <Cantide> and i don't drink a lot :p
[14:59] <charl> http://www.oktoberfest.de/en/article/About+the+Oktoberfest/About+the+Oktoberfest/The+Prices+for+Beer+and+Other+Drinks/2363/
[14:59] <charl> that's the english page
[14:59] <charl> a litre of water costs 7 euro, what?!
[15:00] <charl> nah man i tell you, if i drank a liter of beer i have had enough :P
[15:00] <charl> maybe 2 liter but that is my limit
[15:10] <Kilos> lo charl Cantide 
[15:10] <Cantide> hey Kilos~
[15:10] <Cantide> charl, same, i wouldn't drink more than 2L
[15:13] <charl> nah man i would get sick and throw up bah
[15:13] <charl> hey Kilos !
[15:13] <charl> how's it going
[15:13] <Kilos> good ty everything working
[15:13] <charl> ah your problems have been resolved?
[15:13] <Kilos> drive that kept crashing here works np on other pc
[15:13] <charl> strange
[15:14] <Kilos> yeah and the dhcp with router worked after i deleted old connection settings and added new
[15:14] <Kilos> but same, so you tell me why
[15:14] <charl> ah yes
[15:14] <Kilos> both pcs can now use the 3g in the modem
[15:15] <charl> good to hear
[15:15] <charl> yeah sometimes it happens
[15:15] <charl> i don't know
[15:16] <Kilos> now i gotta find out how to cut router open and wire for external yagi
[15:16] <charl> oh you want to boost your wifi?
[15:16] <Kilos> gotta email that pretoria is gonna supply free wifi
[15:16] <charl> the government?
[15:16] <charl> municipality i mean
[15:16] <Kilos> but nearest hotspot from here atm in 15ks
[15:17] <charl> oh no man with a good antenna that's no problem
[15:17] <charl> you just need one of those mikrotik routerboards and a good antenna
[15:17] <Kilos> i will build a lekker 15 element yagi if i can just find the measurements
[15:18] <charl> hmmm never tried building one myself
[15:18] <Kilos> not buying no more stuff
[15:18] <charl> sounds interesting, keep us updated :)
[15:18] <charl> write a howto
[15:18] <charl> other people will also find it interesting
[15:19] <charl> afaik there is a very strong wug initiative in south africa
[15:19] <Kilos> i found a site that gave a file that you could print and lay out on the table with everything where it must be but aint gotta printer
[15:19] <charl> in europe cable/ftth mostly killed that
[15:19] <Kilos> ya ptawug is right here but they wanna sell the equipment
[15:20] <charl> strange, usually they allow you to get on it for free
[15:21] <charl> it's a non-profit community network according to http://www.ptawug.co.za/
[15:23] <Kilos> ya but if you outa town you need antenna etc
[15:23] <Kilos> i think the kit is R1600
[15:23] <charl> yeah that's usually the case
[15:24] <charl> but you can source the hardware anyway you like and a lot of people are building their own antennas
[15:24] <charl> there is also an irc channel, have you tried connecting on that?
[15:24] <charl> there might be some okes with suggestions
[15:24] <Kilos> i just dunno if i can tell the router to search for outside wifi or if it only supplies wifi locally
[15:25] <charl> oh you mean connect upstream, that's a difficult question
[15:25] <Kilos> yeah i spoke to the ptawug guys
[15:25] <Kilos> if not ill try get a wireless adapter for pc and then search
[15:26] <charl> i don't know if an ordinary wireless adapter will work, they are meant for short range
[15:27] <Kilos> with an outside antenna of course
[15:27] <Kilos> wb inetpro 
[15:28] <inetpro> oops!
[15:28] <inetpro> that was me pressing disconnect accidentally 
[15:28] <inetpro> Kilos: where's that nick?
[15:28] <Kilos> hehe what you broke
[15:28] <inetpro> lekker stupid
[15:28] <inetpro> nee man, als weer reg
[15:29] <magespawn> lol
[15:29] <charl> Kilos: it also depends on the transmission power of the wifi adapter, but i'm not the expert on this
[15:30] <charl> wb inetpro 
[15:30] <Kilos> i gotta find a hardware guru to explain why that drives works fine in another machine
[15:30] <magespawn> i wonder it the wug will be allowed to share the free Pretoria wifi? also what the speeds and usages will be?
[15:30] <Kilos> a good yagi boost incoming as well as outgoing inetpro 
[15:31] <charl> magespawn: if somebody else is hooked up and they also happen to be on the wug you could vpn through them
[15:31] <charl> people used to do that with dsl too
[15:31] <magespawn> maybe the cables or the board Kilos 
[15:31] <Kilos> oh inetpro i wanted to ask you, how have you connected an external antenna to your router
[15:32] <magespawn> ahh charl but will they allow it and will the wifi be able to handle all those extra users?
[15:32] <Kilos> all our cities are planning on supplying free wifi
[15:33] <Kilos> you got a mail coming with all the links magespawn 
[15:34] <magespawn> ty Kilos 
[15:34] <charl> magespawn: that i wouldn't know, but the promise of free wifi sounds overly ambitious
[15:34] <magespawn> indeed
[15:34] <Kilos> i deleted one last week where they say its a govt thing i think to supply wifi
[15:36] <Kilos> that afrihost 5g for under R150 also sounds good if you dont mind contracts
[15:36] <Cantide> Kilos, yeah, i saw that on the news
[15:36] <Cantide> about PTA
[15:36] <Kilos> afrihost mobile
[15:37] <Kilos> if they supply to the city i just gotta make a good enough antenna to tap in
[15:38] <Kilos> oh magespawn the same cabling and mboard are working here on kde
[15:38] <Kilos> weird
[15:39] <Kilos> hardware incompatibility
[15:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: the afrihost thing is month-to-month, not contract
[15:59] <Kilos> oh wow thats wonderful
[16:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> i managed to snag one in the second batch they made available
[16:00] <Kilos> id go mad with 5g a month
[16:00] <Kilos> wow
[16:00] <Kilos> is it telkom?
[16:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> mtn
[16:01] <Kilos> i have bought 8ta airtime for next 3 to 4 months already
[16:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> should receive it early in sept
[16:01] <Kilos> oh no mtn sucks here
[16:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> home time, i'm off!
[16:01]  * ThatGraemeGuy waves
[16:01] <Kilos> go well
[16:40] <inetpro> Kilos: a wifi network and a wireless network the WUG style are two different things
[16:40] <inetpro> wifi is very short range
[16:41] <Kilos> oh my
[16:42] <Kilos> you didnt tell me how you got the external aerial in your whatever
[16:42] <Kilos> for 3g
[16:42] <Kilos> did it just plug in or have to be wired internally
[16:42] <inetpro> and with a wifi network you can connect directly to the network from your PC while on a normal wireless network you need a special router
[16:44] <inetpro> Kilos: I screw it on
[16:44] <Kilos> onot what?
[16:44] <Kilos> onot
[16:44] <inetpro> have an integrated port for connectivity
[16:44] <Kilos> onto
[16:44] <inetpro> on the router
[16:45] <Kilos> oh built in port
[16:45] <inetpro> yebo yes, the thing was built with an external antenna in mind
[16:45] <Kilos> aha
[16:45] <inetpro> and then it has a physical switch to either switch to internal antenna or external
[16:46] <Kilos> nice
[16:46] <inetpro> but I've seen modern routers without the physical switch
[16:46] <inetpro> but with the option in the config
[16:46] <inetpro> call it a software switch
[16:47] <Kilos> oh its a 3g router with 3g built in?
[16:47] <inetpro> yebo yes
[16:47] <inetpro> and with Wifi broadcasting
[16:47] <Kilos> and wifi locally
[16:47] <inetpro> yebo yes
[16:48] <inetpro> nou verstaan hy!
[16:48] <Kilos> ok
[16:48] <Kilos> now
[16:48] <inetpro> :-)
[16:48] <inetpro> ok forget about broadcasting
[16:49] <Kilos> if i put a wireless adapter in pc with external aerial and i can pick up  a wireless signal 
[16:49] <inetpro> not really the same thing
[16:49] <Kilos> no man
[16:49] <Kilos> wiat and listen
[16:49] <Kilos> wait too
[16:49]  * inetpro is ene ore
[16:49] <Kilos> lol
[16:50] <Kilos> so with a wireless card in pc and external aerial and i find a hotspot then my router will wifi locally via the pc?
[16:50]  * inetpro luister maar hoor niks
[16:50] <inetpro> ahh... :-)
[16:50] <Kilos> jy baie cheeky
[16:51] <inetpro> ai!
[16:51] <inetpro> nee man
[16:51] <inetpro> you want to get jailed?
[16:51] <Kilos> no man the wifi is gonna be free
[16:52] <Kilos> ill mail you the mail
[16:52] <inetpro> you want to take somebody else's network and re-broadcast?
[16:52] <inetpro> ai!
[16:52] <inetpro> Kilos: nee meneer
[16:52] <Kilos> no man in the house only
[16:53] <inetpro> if you want to do that you will have to ask for permission
[16:53] <inetpro> and you will most likely not get that permission
[16:53] <Kilos> even for personal  use
[16:54] <Kilos> there is only me here and sissie with tablet
[16:54] <inetpro> that free thing from mr Knott-Craig junior is a nice pipe dream 
[16:54] <inetpro> and I wish him good luck 
[16:55] <kbmonkey> oh morning superfly - sorry I was away at the time
[16:55] <Kilos> oh
[16:55] <inetpro> while I do hope that it does realise
[16:55] <inetpro> but I have my doubts
[16:55] <kbmonkey> evening all
[16:55] <Kilos> oh well i got 8ta still
[16:55] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[16:56] <inetpro> Kilos: it will only be available in a few small areas
[16:56] <Kilos> anyway i got 8ta and router works with 3g so all good
[16:56] <Kilos> ty for the info
[16:56] <inetpro> and the way I see it, he wants it to be free for the poor
[16:56] <Kilos> but i may still experiment hey?
[16:57] <inetpro> but how do you define an area as a poor area
[16:57] <inetpro> ?
[16:57] <Kilos> well man im the poor
[16:57] <Kilos> hehe
[16:57] <inetpro> you clearly live in the wrong area
[16:57] <Kilos> lol
[16:57] <inetpro> because I doubt whether that signal will get even close to you
[16:58] <Kilos> you dunno the power of a 15 element yagi
[16:59] <Kilos> antenna design is very interesting
[16:59] <inetpro> Kilos: a wifi signal only goes for like 20 meters
[17:01] <Kilos> im talking wireless
[17:02] <inetpro> jaja, but please don't mix the two
[17:02] <inetpro> Kilos: talk to the WUG guys
[17:03] <Kilos> yip will next month
[17:03] <Kilos> ty for the guidance
[17:03] <Kilos> will make my antenna then they can see when it connects
[17:05] <Kilos> ive made the folded dipole already
[17:05] <Kilos> its tiny
[17:06] <inetpro> Kilos: see High Gain Yagi Antenna http://www.poyntingdefence.com/index.php?q=catalogue|productinfo,10,High-Gain-Yagi-Antenna
[17:06] <inetpro> that ^^ is just one of many different antennas they have
[17:07] <Kilos> ty
[17:08] <Kilos> im not gonna buy one
[17:09] <Kilos> when my one is made ill show you a pic
[17:09] <Kilos> but this isnt an urgent thing
[17:09] <inetpro> if they were easy to make you would see a lot more competition
[17:09] <inetpro> and I'm not saying it is not easy
[17:10] <Kilos> i made yagis for radio use many years ago
[17:10] <inetpro> but you have to build according to specs
[17:10] <Kilos> still have fomula in head
[17:10] <Kilos> 486/freq in meg
[17:11] <Kilos> but 492 was always closer i think
[17:11] <Kilos> didnt need as much tuning
[17:13] <inetpro> but Kilos, didn't you say that you can see the tower with your naked eye?
[17:14] <Kilos> ya but thats 3g im talking wireless
[17:14] <inetpro> why?
[17:14] <Kilos> then i can wireless the ptawug
[17:14] <inetpro> and internet?
[17:15] <Kilos> 3g
[17:15] <inetpro> ai!
[17:15] <Kilos> also the wug guys offered to download stuff for one and then you fetch it wireless
[17:16] <Kilos> there are quite a few ubuntu users in ptawug
[17:17] <inetpro> they must stop doing the own thing and start putting more pressure on the industry to reduce pricing
[17:18] <Kilos> go tell them
[17:18] <inetpro> then again, they mustn't stop doing their own thing
[17:18] <inetpro> they must keep doing it
[17:18] <Kilos> hehe
[17:19] <Kilos> also i gotta work out how to open a 3g modem and connect an external antenna to it
[17:19] <inetpro> actually more people need to be made aware that you can do things for free
[17:19] <Kilos> ian got poor signal where he is
[17:21] <inetpro> ahh, nou kom hy met sy storie
[17:21] <inetpro> :-)
[17:21] <Kilos> ai!
[17:21] <Kilos> jy baie cheeky
[17:22] <inetpro> I have to so I can understand your reasoning
[17:23]  * inetpro wbb
[17:24] <Kilos> hee hee hee
[17:25] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[17:25] <Kilos> yo my magespawn 
[17:27] <magespawn> some modems come with attachements for aerials
[17:28] <nuvolari> o/ good evening oom Kilos, magespawn, oom inetpro :P
[17:28] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[17:28] <magespawn> and you can get a adapter for the ones that don't
[17:28] <magespawn> hey nuvolari 
[17:28] <Kilos> one has to use what one has magespawn 
[17:29] <Kilos> adapter??
[17:29] <Kilos> to plugin aerial to 3g modem
[17:29] <magespawn> let find a link
[17:30] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[17:30] <Kilos> you not the same one with kde probs in the lists hey?
[17:31] <Vince-0> haai
[17:39] <magespawn> https://resellers.lantic.net/index.php?page=shop.product_details&product_id=84&flypage=flypage.tpl&pop=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=66
[17:41] <magespawn> sorry Kilos you won't be able to go that link
[17:41] <Kilos> np magespawn 
[17:41] <kbmonkey> hi Vince-0 
[17:41] <Kilos> whats wrong with it
[17:41] <Kilos> oh resellers
[17:44] <Vince-0> haai
[17:45] <Vince-0> So RMS is pretty much confirmed for Duban
[17:47] <kbmonkey> Durban? Really?! The news read like it was only to be CT/JHB
[17:47] <kbmonkey> happy about that!
[17:47] <Vince-0> those are confirmed, Durban at UKZN
[17:48] <Vince-0> http://durbanlinux.org.za/?page_id=18
[17:48] <kbmonkey> very cool
[17:48] <Vince-0> ill do updates tonight
[17:49] <Vince-0> may even pick him up at the airport
[17:49] <kbmonkey> epic!
[17:49] <Vince-0> here are the durban notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gd3pE0r8X4iRPbPTe6pfv7UqdKFtaqb2r3W4SI0yweE/edit#heading=h.6tnj4daysmb0
[17:49] <Vince-0> Richard Keller is helping organise it, got the venue etc
[17:50] <kbmonkey> unbelievable, I am struggling to keep my eyes open and not even 8pm yet XD
[17:51] <Vince-0> kbmonkey: stupid googledoc wasn't public - now you can see
[17:51] <kbmonkey> thanks Vince-0 :)
[17:51] <kbmonkey> This should be very good
[17:51] <Kilos> whew you not well kbmonkey ?
[17:52] <kbmonkey> did lots of leg work at the gym today Kilos. going tomorrow for upper body.
[17:52] <Kilos> ah
[17:52] <kbmonkey> still new, still adjusting ;)
[17:53] <kbmonkey> whoa, that google doc has it's style a bit confused, lol! must be my browser..
[17:54] <kbmonkey> yeah.. I get this render bug with fixed-aligned css elements.
[17:55] <magespawn> Kilos: i cant find a picture at the moment
[17:55] <Kilos> np magespawn 
[17:56] <Kilos> if its another 300 bucks or something ill work a way to wire cable in directly
[17:56] <magespawn> but it is a small black plastic pad that attaches to the aerial cable and then sits on top of the modem
[17:56] <Kilos> oh like an induction thing
[17:57] <Vince-0> kbmonkey: your crazy terminal browsers?
[17:57] <magespawn> yup works well with the e220
[17:57] <Kilos> cost?
[17:58] <kbmonkey> chrome browser Vince-0 - wow this is really happening hey, pretty exciting!
[17:58] <Vince-0> yaar
[17:59] <Kilos> ill most likely be doing it on ians vodafone modem anyway, dont wanna mess up the modem that works in the router
[18:00] <Kilos> but what is the thing called magespawn 
[18:00] <magespawn> Kilos: about R250 i think
[18:00] <Kilos> eish
[18:00] <magespawn> we call it a skilpad, but i am sure thats not the proper name
[18:01] <magespawn> i will see what i can find tomorrow
[18:01] <Kilos> ty
[18:01] <Kilos> but thats lotsa data
[18:03] <magespawn> that is the one from @lantic, so let me see if i can find a cheeper one
[18:04] <magespawn> and here is a heads up for everyone, esquire in now offering laptops without a preinstalled os
[18:08] <kbmonkey> Kilos, did you see that preorder deal afrihost was giving out today of the 3G wifi hotspot device
[18:08] <Kilos> yeah
[18:09] <Kilos> first 1000 peeps
[18:09] <Kilos> but mtn sucks here\
[18:09] <Kilos> edge only
[18:09] <Kilos> and 2 days a week offline
[18:10] <kbmonkey> awe :(
[18:10] <kbmonkey> after the 1000 they released another 4000
[18:10] <kbmonkey> and when that was gone they did another 3000. 
[18:10] <Kilos> you surely wont get that thing with just one R150?
[18:10] <kbmonkey> but youre right about that coverage
[18:11] <kbmonkey> who knows. I'll let you know next month ;)
[18:11] <nuvolari> oh hi apie :)
[18:11] <kbmonkey> was with afrihost before and they really gave me good service then
[18:11] <Kilos> you gonna try next month
[18:12] <kbmonkey> I get the device next month
[18:12] <kbmonkey> hallo nuvolari o/
[18:12] <Kilos> yeah but out here the tower sucks and they got no plans to upgrade it
[18:12] <Kilos> thats why i went voda to start with
[18:12] <magespawn> kbmonkey: is it on contract?
[18:13] <kbmonkey> magespawn, just like their dsl packages, month to month
[18:13] <magespawn> do keep the device no matter what?
[18:13] <magespawn> you^
[18:14] <kbmonkey> no matter what?
[18:14] <kbmonkey> I cannot say
[18:14] <magespawn> if you stop the service?
[18:14] <kbmonkey> but the rates are cheaper than any other mobile rates so undoubtedly why would you not use the service?
[18:14]  * magespawn goes to google
[18:15] <kbmonkey> their t&c's probably cover that
[18:15] <kbmonkey> however I was not planning on taking the deal to scavenge their hardware
[18:15] <Kilos> lol
[18:15] <Kilos> i was
[18:16] <kbmonkey> http://www.afrihost.com/landing/mobile_data_preorder/
[18:16] <Kilos> what does preorder mean
[18:17] <magespawn> yup you get the device for free if you got in on the preorder
[18:17] <magespawn> nice one
[18:17] <kbmonkey> likely mtn is supplying the hardware
[18:18] <magespawn> you order before the device is available Kilos 
[18:18] <kbmonkey> magespawn, how much would those devices cost to manufacture? 
[18:18] <magespawn> so have to wait, although not long in this case
[18:18] <kbmonkey> certainly not as much as advertised, realistically
[18:18] <Kilos> and they not gonna put it on contract once youve paid
[18:19] <magespawn> no much i would guess between R50 and maybe R250 at the most
[18:20] <Kilos> but who you gonna make a hotspot for anyway
[18:20] <Kilos> all your neighbours
[18:20] <magespawn> just yourself Kilos or people in the same room
[18:20] <kbmonkey> all your pc's ;)
[18:20]  * kbmonkey has more pcs than pairs of shoes
[18:21] <Kilos> hehe
[18:21] <Kilos> i have 2 running with eth through router and place for 2 more\
[18:21] <kbmonkey> the nice thing is that if your data runs out you dont get charged "out of bundle" rates like cell phone contracts do. they just cap you. no unepected surprises ;)
[18:22] <kbmonkey> voda did that to me. I was horrified by the bill. their customer support told me their service does not allow for capping. nice
[18:22] <Kilos> ai!
[18:23] <Kilos> better 8ta prepaid
[18:23] <Kilos> when it finish you need to buy more airtime
[18:24] <kbmonkey> =1
[18:24] <kbmonkey> *+1
[18:24] <Kilos> im actually chuffed with 8ta
[18:24] <magespawn> kbmonkey: somebody made a mistake, AFAIK they can do that
[18:24] <Kilos> got up to 803kB/s the other night
[18:25] <kbmonkey> lol, same Kilos !
[18:25] <kbmonkey> soem nights I get 1MB! others fall flat to zero
[18:25] <magespawn> you can buy a phone for that MiFi modem price, that will do the same thing
[18:26] <magespawn> nice speed
[18:26] <kbmonkey> A phone would, but the data rates are a bit higher I think
[18:26] <Kilos> but isnt this router like doing the same thing magespawn 
[18:27] <Kilos> can do 4 eth connections and i dunno how many wifi
[18:27] <magespawn> it is yes, it is what i use my galaxy pocket for
[18:27] <magespawn> routers are more powerful
[18:27] <kbmonkey> nice :)
[18:28] <Kilos> then i wont even think about mtn stuff
[18:28] <Kilos> i dont trust them
[18:28] <kbmonkey> my wifi router stopped working recently :(
[18:28] <Kilos> never had probs using them for old cell
[18:28] <Kilos> reset it kbmonkey 
[18:28] <kbmonkey> so this will save me
[18:29] <Kilos> is it dead dead or what
[18:29] <kbmonkey> yar I suspect the transmitter is borked
[18:29] <Kilos> they got built in flash stuff
[18:29] <Kilos> ai!
[18:29] <kbmonkey> is a few years old
[18:30] <kbmonkey> I should maybe pry it open - could even be a broken wire ;) imagine that. lol
[18:31] <Kilos> did you try a reset
[18:31] <kbmonkey> yup
[18:31] <kbmonkey> factory reset
[18:31] <Kilos> hold the reset button in and then power on
[18:31] <Kilos> and hold another 10 secs
[18:31] <kbmonkey> many times over ;)
[18:31] <Kilos> aw
[18:31] <Kilos> thats sad
[18:31] <kbmonkey> gone to bit heaven
[18:32] <Kilos> lol
[18:32] <kbmonkey> no worries my phone becomes a hotspot if I want to copy files across
[18:33] <kbmonkey> I need a muffin
[18:35] <Kilos> if you gonna train everyday you must eat lotsa pasta if you can take it
[18:35] <kbmonkey> i made muffins with protein isolate. they are goood.
[18:36] <kbmonkey> wana bake again this weekend. 
[18:36] <inetpro> Vince-0: your doc is still not public?
[18:41] <magespawn> kbmonkey: doesn't the high temp of the baking wreck the protein?
[18:43] <kbmonkey> lol, not unless I bake at 500 deg C 
[18:43] <Kilos> and lotsa soya kbmonkey 
[18:43] <Vince-0> inetpro: 
[18:43] <Kilos> there some nice soya mixes in stores
[18:44] <inetpro> Vince-0: pong
[18:44] <Vince-0> its got other peoples details in it, seems we have a small organising committee
[18:44] <Kilos> beens are protein for non meat peeps
[18:44] <Vince-0> 1sec, just making sure
[18:45] <inetpro> Vince-0: no problem, it doesn't have to be public
[18:46] <inetpro> just saying since you wrote, "stupid googledoc wasn't public - now you can see"
[18:48] <Kilos> google is painful at times
[18:49] <Kilos> again i had to go tell it ubuntu list mails arent spam
[18:49] <Kilos> grrr
[18:49] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm...
[18:50] <inetpro> make no mistake their spam filtering is still the best
[18:50] <inetpro> very rare to see a mistake like that
[18:50] <kbmonkey> Kilos, add the list to your contacts then it should not get spamboxed 
[18:51] <Kilos> its the odd ones inetpro 
[18:51] <Kilos> i get the replies then wonder where the one is with the prob
[18:51] <Vince-0> 1 sec, shoulda asked peeps for consent of personal info
[18:52] <Kilos> like i got adrianas and monkeys but not vinces query
[18:52] <Vince-0> oh no, i'm just being anal about this privacy thing
[18:52] <kbmonkey> rms's much? ;)
[18:53] <kbmonkey> I guess it is good to ask in case Vince-0 
[18:53] <inetpro> always good to ask first
[18:53] <Vince-0> and I don't want to go to jail
[18:53] <Vince-0> lool
[18:54] <Kilos> lol
[18:54] <Kilos> free food in jail
[18:54] <inetpro> Kilos: actually I just realised I also have a lot of valid mails in my spam folder
[18:54] <inetpro> something must have changed
[18:54] <Kilos> yeah its bad inetpro 
[18:55] <Kilos> evry second month theres some that dont work
[19:00] <inetpro> Kilos: I think there is an element of learning involved
[19:00] <inetpro> if you mark it as "not SPAM" it learns from that
[19:00] <Kilos> thats what i do
[19:01] <Kilos> but you gotta do it every coupla months
[19:01] <Kilos> i dont mind them spamming peeps that try sell me viagra
[19:01] <inetpro> spam is damn difficult to control
[19:03] <magespawn> Kilos: what was that antispam program you found again?
[19:04] <Kilos> sugarplum
[19:05] <inetpro> one little program is not good enough these days
[19:05] <inetpro> you need a multitude of engines 
[19:05] <Kilos> and theres spamassasin
[19:10] <magespawn> maybe if we crowd sugarplum, we coule make it work
[19:11] <Kilos> the mail peeps need spam fighters but first they have to understand what spam is 
[19:11] <Kilos> and not block legitimate mail
[19:13] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:14] <inetpro> interesting reading: "Paul Theron, CEO of Vestact Limited, says that Cell C has decimated its own business case and will be dead within six months."
[19:14] <inetpro> http://businesstech.co.za/news/mobile/44470/cell-c-dead-by-2014-analyst/
[19:14] <Kilos> wow
[19:14]  * inetpro wonders how he gets to that conclusion
[19:16] <Kilos> publicity
[19:16] <Kilos> they say even bad publicity is better than none
[19:17] <inetpro> so you say he's helping cellc?
[19:17] <Kilos> lol
[19:18] <Kilos> well see if they die
[19:19] <Kilos> theres too much money involved to shut down 
[19:19] <Kilos> mobile provision is big business
[19:20] <inetpro> all of them including CellC are still way to inefficient and overpriced
[19:20] <Kilos> yip its about money not good service
[19:21] <inetpro> and MTN is the worst of them all
[19:22] <Kilos> yip
[19:24] <inetpro> I would jump ship to CellC any time if they could show us a bit of prove of increased coverage
[19:24] <Kilos> you not happy with 8ta?
[19:24] <Kilos> im surprised you still use mtn
[19:24] <inetpro> 8ta is also useless in the rurals 
[19:25] <Kilos> where are the urals
[19:25] <superfly> *proof
[19:25] <Kilos> rurals
[19:25] <inetpro> oops... thanks superfly
[19:26] <Kilos> hehe 
[19:26] <Kilos> i didnt even see that
[19:27] <inetpro> Kilos: rurals are anywhere outside of the big cities
[19:28] <Kilos> so thats me and 8ta rocks here
[19:29] <inetpro> Kilos: no, you are part of the big city, whether you like it or not
[19:29] <Kilos> and mtn and voda use the same tower and their service sucks
[19:29] <Kilos> oh ok
[19:30] <inetpro> the sad part is that service is even bad in big cities
[19:30] <inetpro> but it is so much worse outside
[19:30] <Kilos> i see the pushing wireless in the cape flats as well
[19:30] <Kilos> wherever that might be
[19:31] <Kilos> yeah some of us dont even have a choice of adsl
[19:31] <inetpro> time that our guys learn a bit from the old days with an almost independent postal and telecoms service in each town
[19:32] <Kilos> everything is too modern and controlled
[19:32] <Kilos> and peeps dont wanna do anything themselves any more
[19:32] <Kilos> like wifi yagis
[19:32] <Kilos> easier to buy
[19:33] <Kilos> and tap resurfacing tools
[19:33]  * Kilos ducks
[19:33] <inetpro> ai!
[19:42] <Kilos> night all.. sleep tight
[20:01] <kbmonkey> ah nite kilos
[20:01] <kbmonkey> Maaz, tell kilos good night sleep tight -.-
[20:01] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[20:18] <superfly> hi kbmonkey
[20:20] <kbmonkey> hai o/
[20:25] <superfly> I don't think I've ever made this many merges in one night... we're getting ready to release a bugfix release of OpenLP
[20:32] <magespawn> good night all