/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/08/20/#ubuntustudio-devel.txt

micahggah sorry, forgot to upload, doign so now01:18
OvenWerksmicahg: that was two hours ago now but thank you if you are still up. (The branches don't show the release yet, so I am not sure if it is finished)03:52
OvenWerksYahoo, new libagv-extras are out. Maybe our ISO will build now.03:57
smartboyhwzequence, back from Switzerland?06:22
smartboyhwHey cub07:01
cubGood morning smartboyhw ;)07:01
cubI'm reading up on seeds so I can try to include gnome-orca in US before FF. Big breakthrough. :P07:06
cubAlso got some good feedback from the ubuntu-accessibility maillist from visually impaired people on how the get Orca to work in Xfce.I haven't had time to test the different suggestions yet though.07:07
smartboyhwcub, sure:)07:07
smartboyhwhey DarkEra08:20
DarkErahi smartboyhw 08:27
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zequence_hi. Did you know Brussels airport is so cheap with electricity you have to cykle to ccharge your laptop11:21
cubhaha11:21
zequence_I forgot to bring my sweat pants11:22
zequence_Probaby got a big wet stain in the back of my pants now :P11:22
cubto keep all thos EU lobbyists fit.11:22
zequence_free ethernet, so at least thats smetthing11:23
zequence_cub: The actual applications go into the seeds, but settings go elsewherre11:24
zequence_Right now we have ubuntustudio-default-setttings for that11:24
cubI'm not following..?11:24
zequence_so, if you know which settings need to be changed, we could help out in adding them11:24
cubah yeah sure11:24
zequence_cub: about Orca11:24
cubfirst I need to get it to work on my laptops11:25
cubso I know what the fixes are11:25
zequence_adding orca is as simple as adding the package name to the correctt seed file11:25
zequence_ok11:25
cubyes, I have read the documentation but not downloaded the seed yet11:25
cubI'm getting there slowly in between work and family11:26
cubbut from what I understand Germinate will take care of any dependencies?11:27
zequence_Yes. Just like installing with apt in that regard11:28
cubhmm my shirts are being held by DHL?? "Due to a surcharge, the shipment could not be delivered and is being stored. The recipient has been informed."11:33
zequence_someone didnt pay their bills to DHL?11:36
cubI payed when I ordered...calling them now11:36
cubadn I haven't been informed at all, I just saw this since I traced my package11:37
zequence_Im thinking the company who pays DHL11:39
zequence_i.e. spreadshirt11:40
zequence_What a contrast to how fast I got my stuff11:40
cubWeird. According to DHL sweden they can't even track it because HDL Germany has different codes.11:41
cubAnd on top of that DHL DE hand the shipment over to Posten in Sweden to deliver, not to DHL SE.11:41
cubAnd voila, the say it's being held while it's actually delivered to Posten. DHL SE apparently get lots of calls about this. The sad part is that I now have no valid tracking number. 11:42
cubDHL SE didn't there was any extra charge but that Posten would deliver it and the DE system has a crappy status put in. :D11:43
zequence_how ungerman of them11:43
cubI want my cup dammit.11:44
zequence_yerr cub-cup11:44
cubhehe11:44
cubYet another tech at work reinstalled his Ubuntu with Fedora. They are mocking my eee pc with US saucy. The mug will bring back balance.11:45
zequence_it will change everything!11:49
cuboh yeah. The girls will hang at my office, Sales will bring me gifts. It will be awesome.11:50
cubright, so Posten has actually got my package which was delivered last Friday. But it seems they notice to me has disappeared. But I got a new tracking number which I can use to collect it tonight. #win11:51
zequence_That happens aaall the tie11:53
zequence_and they always blame you11:53
zequence_at least at my local store11:53
zequence_good to hear your stuff has arrived saffely11:54
cubyeah, I just love when my phone bill doesn't arrive and then I get a penalty a week after for not paying it. "But I didn't get it?!" "YHes you did, pay up."11:56
cubbut cool, I ordered the other mug and a couple of different colors so it will be fun to check them out later today11:57
cubsmartboyhw, any news on 12.04.3?13:40
smartboyhwcub, NO.13:40
smartboyhwThe release team are still preparing the tracker:O13:41
cuband we can't test until that's done?13:41
smartboyhwcub, yep13:41
cubhehe ok13:41
cubgood thing we are spread out around the globe to be able to work 24/7. :D13:42
smartboyhwcub, :D13:42
OvenWerkscub: I am wondering how a blind or nearly blind person works.14:42
OvenWerksWhat applications do they use?14:42
OvenWerksFor example, if I was blind and wanted to create a document or a book, I would think using a text editor and something like TeX or even html for formating would make more sense than using libreoffice with some kind of support.14:45
OvenWerksa mouse would not be much use in the normal way and in factmight get in the way.14:46
OvenWerksMy opinion (how much is that worth when I am sighted?) is that it might be easier to use a server install rather than a gui session at all.14:49
OvenWerksAny blind people I know (all two and a half that I "see" in person and two I have talked with via email) are much better with the keyboard than I am.14:51
OvenWerksThey seem also to have a much better memory for commands.14:52
cubyeah, I've seen mostly three types of work flows or rather tools14:56
cubVisually impaired who is not blind might use screen enhancements and a big screen. Other I worked with used speech (which was quite impressive when jumping around within a program) or braille readers14:57
OvenWerksSo my question becomes: if I was a blind musician, would I be better starting with studio and adding things to help me work with it, or start with a distro that worked for me and add the tools to that for audio?14:57
cubAt the visually impaired centre where I worked everyone used the same office applications14:57
cubyeah I talked some to Josh Kennedy who emailed the list about that. Since there is Vinux aimed for the visually impaired and it's based on Ubuntu 12.04, why not just add a low-latency kernel to it?14:58
cubInstead of installing Ubuntu Studio and hope everything else works14:59
cubThen again, there seem to be a small community who would like to use Ubuntu Studio anyway, so why not.14:59
OvenWerksThe two people on LAU who are blind, use nama and midish instead of ardour.15:00
cubJosh, in this case has already got hydrogen and the apps he wanted up and running in Vinux, seems he was not about to do like live audio recordings.15:00
OvenWerkswe do not ship nama (or it's depends)15:00
cubno I took a look at them wehn you mentioned them before.15:01
OvenWerksmidish has no real depends.15:01
OvenWerksnama is I think using git now and I know many people use it with ardour as well.15:03
cubBut yeah, like I wrote before. Am I doing a lot of testing for something noone will actually use? :D15:03
OvenWerkszequence: maybe we should add git or something like it.15:03
cubyou can use nama with Ardour?15:03
OvenWerksone or the other15:04
* smartboyhw likes git;P15:04
smartboyhwAnd bzr out of the most15:04
smartboyhwJust PLZ, no SVN..15:05
cubHaha on Nama Screenshot page: "Nama's GUI is ugly. There, I've said it."15:05
OvenWerksnobody uses the gui.15:06
cubI like the idea to do recording without a gui and the be able to import it to Ardour on a workstation for mixing15:06
OvenWerksThe reason nama works for the blind person is the CLI.15:07
cubyes15:07
cubWould the low-latency kernel work on any ubuntu based distro?15:08
OvenWerksyes15:09
cubjust like the wiki "how to make your vanilla Ubuntu = Ubuntu Studio"15:09
cubso perhaps I should make a wiki of "How to make Vinux -> Vinux Studio" instead. :P15:09
OvenWerksI don't think I would add ubuntustudio-audio though15:10
cubwhy not?15:10
OvenWerkstoo many extra apps that would never be used :)15:10
OvenWerksand others that need to be added.15:10
cubok15:11
OvenWerksmaybe that doesn't matter.15:11
OvenWerksmost of the plugins work for a blind pperson with nama.15:11
cubon another note, I saw a thread in the forums on why an installation of VLC would uninstall a couple of ubuntustudio- on saucy, any idea why?15:12
OvenWerksbut they still require X.15:12
OvenWerksVLC uninstalls some of the libav things we use.15:13
cubwas it like before as well? I don't remember removing anything when I installed vlc15:13
cubthen again, it was some time ago15:13
OvenWerksIt may be that VLC has switched to using some of the ffmpeg libs which conflict.15:14
cubaha15:15
OvenWerksIt may be instructive to read up on ffmpeg vs. avlib...15:15
OvenWerksAnd other similar messes like cdrecord vs: wodim15:16
cubcrap I'm late again. Gotta go! =)15:16
OvenWerksbye15:16
zequenceOvenWerks: I know there are git based backup applications. If there's something specific for multimedia, or used for that, I see no problem in adding it17:00
zequenceBack home, finally17:00
zequenceOn a Swedish keyboard :P17:00
OvenWerkszequence: I am not sure about git or how to add it in a useful manner. I just know that there are a number of people on LAU who have mentioned that use git to store ardour snapshots.17:04
OvenWerksardour is supposed to be able to store it's own snapshots too, but I guess (at least in the past) that has be probematic17:05
OvenWerkss/be/been17:05
OvenWerksnama now (or will soon) use git natively as it's backup/snapshot option.17:08
* OvenWerks seems to be in broken english mode today :P17:08
zequenceThere's one that deals with backing up the /etc directory17:10
zequenceetckeeper17:10
zequenceit can do multiple, git, and others17:10
zequenceautomatic backup of any changes17:11
zequenceI'm sure that should be possible to adapt to any application17:11
OvenWerksThat might work then. I just don't want to add something without knowing how it works. Without knowing it adds something worth while.17:15
OvenWerksGoing on some people have meantioned they use it is not enough to make me comfortable.17:15
zequenceI dont think etckeeper as it is would work, I dont really know, but the concept - and using something like git17:20
nickgbroholy, ive been away a while...17:27
nickgbrowhat's new?17:27
cubOvenWerks, are you around?20:36
cubnever mind, catch you tomorrow. :)20:37

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