| micahg | gah sorry, forgot to upload, doign so now | 01:18 |
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| OvenWerks | micahg: that was two hours ago now but thank you if you are still up. (The branches don't show the release yet, so I am not sure if it is finished) | 03:52 |
| OvenWerks | Yahoo, new libagv-extras are out. Maybe our ISO will build now. | 03:57 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, back from Switzerland? | 06:22 |
| smartboyhw | Hey cub | 07:01 |
| cub | Good morning smartboyhw ;) | 07:01 |
| cub | I'm reading up on seeds so I can try to include gnome-orca in US before FF. Big breakthrough. :P | 07:06 |
| cub | Also got some good feedback from the ubuntu-accessibility maillist from visually impaired people on how the get Orca to work in Xfce.I haven't had time to test the different suggestions yet though. | 07:07 |
| smartboyhw | cub, sure:) | 07:07 |
| smartboyhw | hey DarkEra | 08:20 |
| DarkEra | hi smartboyhw | 08:27 |
| === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw | ||
| zequence_ | hi. Did you know Brussels airport is so cheap with electricity you have to cykle to ccharge your laptop | 11:21 |
| cub | haha | 11:21 |
| zequence_ | I forgot to bring my sweat pants | 11:22 |
| zequence_ | Probaby got a big wet stain in the back of my pants now :P | 11:22 |
| cub | to keep all thos EU lobbyists fit. | 11:22 |
| zequence_ | free ethernet, so at least thats smetthing | 11:23 |
| zequence_ | cub: The actual applications go into the seeds, but settings go elsewherre | 11:24 |
| zequence_ | Right now we have ubuntustudio-default-setttings for that | 11:24 |
| cub | I'm not following..? | 11:24 |
| zequence_ | so, if you know which settings need to be changed, we could help out in adding them | 11:24 |
| cub | ah yeah sure | 11:24 |
| zequence_ | cub: about Orca | 11:24 |
| cub | first I need to get it to work on my laptops | 11:25 |
| cub | so I know what the fixes are | 11:25 |
| zequence_ | adding orca is as simple as adding the package name to the correctt seed file | 11:25 |
| zequence_ | ok | 11:25 |
| cub | yes, I have read the documentation but not downloaded the seed yet | 11:25 |
| cub | I'm getting there slowly in between work and family | 11:26 |
| cub | but from what I understand Germinate will take care of any dependencies? | 11:27 |
| zequence_ | Yes. Just like installing with apt in that regard | 11:28 |
| cub | hmm my shirts are being held by DHL?? "Due to a surcharge, the shipment could not be delivered and is being stored. The recipient has been informed." | 11:33 |
| zequence_ | someone didnt pay their bills to DHL? | 11:36 |
| cub | I payed when I ordered...calling them now | 11:36 |
| cub | adn I haven't been informed at all, I just saw this since I traced my package | 11:37 |
| zequence_ | Im thinking the company who pays DHL | 11:39 |
| zequence_ | i.e. spreadshirt | 11:40 |
| zequence_ | What a contrast to how fast I got my stuff | 11:40 |
| cub | Weird. According to DHL sweden they can't even track it because HDL Germany has different codes. | 11:41 |
| cub | And on top of that DHL DE hand the shipment over to Posten in Sweden to deliver, not to DHL SE. | 11:41 |
| cub | And voila, the say it's being held while it's actually delivered to Posten. DHL SE apparently get lots of calls about this. The sad part is that I now have no valid tracking number. | 11:42 |
| cub | DHL SE didn't there was any extra charge but that Posten would deliver it and the DE system has a crappy status put in. :D | 11:43 |
| zequence_ | how ungerman of them | 11:43 |
| cub | I want my cup dammit. | 11:44 |
| zequence_ | yerr cub-cup | 11:44 |
| cub | hehe | 11:44 |
| cub | Yet another tech at work reinstalled his Ubuntu with Fedora. They are mocking my eee pc with US saucy. The mug will bring back balance. | 11:45 |
| zequence_ | it will change everything! | 11:49 |
| cub | oh yeah. The girls will hang at my office, Sales will bring me gifts. It will be awesome. | 11:50 |
| cub | right, so Posten has actually got my package which was delivered last Friday. But it seems they notice to me has disappeared. But I got a new tracking number which I can use to collect it tonight. #win | 11:51 |
| zequence_ | That happens aaall the tie | 11:53 |
| zequence_ | and they always blame you | 11:53 |
| zequence_ | at least at my local store | 11:53 |
| zequence_ | good to hear your stuff has arrived saffely | 11:54 |
| cub | yeah, I just love when my phone bill doesn't arrive and then I get a penalty a week after for not paying it. "But I didn't get it?!" "YHes you did, pay up." | 11:56 |
| cub | but cool, I ordered the other mug and a couple of different colors so it will be fun to check them out later today | 11:57 |
| cub | smartboyhw, any news on 12.04.3? | 13:40 |
| smartboyhw | cub, NO. | 13:40 |
| smartboyhw | The release team are still preparing the tracker:O | 13:41 |
| cub | and we can't test until that's done? | 13:41 |
| smartboyhw | cub, yep | 13:41 |
| cub | hehe ok | 13:41 |
| cub | good thing we are spread out around the globe to be able to work 24/7. :D | 13:42 |
| smartboyhw | cub, :D | 13:42 |
| OvenWerks | cub: I am wondering how a blind or nearly blind person works. | 14:42 |
| OvenWerks | What applications do they use? | 14:42 |
| OvenWerks | For example, if I was blind and wanted to create a document or a book, I would think using a text editor and something like TeX or even html for formating would make more sense than using libreoffice with some kind of support. | 14:45 |
| OvenWerks | a mouse would not be much use in the normal way and in factmight get in the way. | 14:46 |
| OvenWerks | My opinion (how much is that worth when I am sighted?) is that it might be easier to use a server install rather than a gui session at all. | 14:49 |
| OvenWerks | Any blind people I know (all two and a half that I "see" in person and two I have talked with via email) are much better with the keyboard than I am. | 14:51 |
| OvenWerks | They seem also to have a much better memory for commands. | 14:52 |
| cub | yeah, I've seen mostly three types of work flows or rather tools | 14:56 |
| cub | Visually impaired who is not blind might use screen enhancements and a big screen. Other I worked with used speech (which was quite impressive when jumping around within a program) or braille readers | 14:57 |
| OvenWerks | So my question becomes: if I was a blind musician, would I be better starting with studio and adding things to help me work with it, or start with a distro that worked for me and add the tools to that for audio? | 14:57 |
| cub | At the visually impaired centre where I worked everyone used the same office applications | 14:57 |
| cub | yeah I talked some to Josh Kennedy who emailed the list about that. Since there is Vinux aimed for the visually impaired and it's based on Ubuntu 12.04, why not just add a low-latency kernel to it? | 14:58 |
| cub | Instead of installing Ubuntu Studio and hope everything else works | 14:59 |
| cub | Then again, there seem to be a small community who would like to use Ubuntu Studio anyway, so why not. | 14:59 |
| OvenWerks | The two people on LAU who are blind, use nama and midish instead of ardour. | 15:00 |
| cub | Josh, in this case has already got hydrogen and the apps he wanted up and running in Vinux, seems he was not about to do like live audio recordings. | 15:00 |
| OvenWerks | we do not ship nama (or it's depends) | 15:00 |
| cub | no I took a look at them wehn you mentioned them before. | 15:01 |
| OvenWerks | midish has no real depends. | 15:01 |
| OvenWerks | nama is I think using git now and I know many people use it with ardour as well. | 15:03 |
| cub | But yeah, like I wrote before. Am I doing a lot of testing for something noone will actually use? :D | 15:03 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: maybe we should add git or something like it. | 15:03 |
| cub | you can use nama with Ardour? | 15:03 |
| OvenWerks | one or the other | 15:04 |
| * smartboyhw likes git;P | 15:04 | |
| smartboyhw | And bzr out of the most | 15:04 |
| smartboyhw | Just PLZ, no SVN.. | 15:05 |
| cub | Haha on Nama Screenshot page: "Nama's GUI is ugly. There, I've said it." | 15:05 |
| OvenWerks | nobody uses the gui. | 15:06 |
| cub | I like the idea to do recording without a gui and the be able to import it to Ardour on a workstation for mixing | 15:06 |
| OvenWerks | The reason nama works for the blind person is the CLI. | 15:07 |
| cub | yes | 15:07 |
| cub | Would the low-latency kernel work on any ubuntu based distro? | 15:08 |
| OvenWerks | yes | 15:09 |
| cub | just like the wiki "how to make your vanilla Ubuntu = Ubuntu Studio" | 15:09 |
| cub | so perhaps I should make a wiki of "How to make Vinux -> Vinux Studio" instead. :P | 15:09 |
| OvenWerks | I don't think I would add ubuntustudio-audio though | 15:10 |
| cub | why not? | 15:10 |
| OvenWerks | too many extra apps that would never be used :) | 15:10 |
| OvenWerks | and others that need to be added. | 15:10 |
| cub | ok | 15:11 |
| OvenWerks | maybe that doesn't matter. | 15:11 |
| OvenWerks | most of the plugins work for a blind pperson with nama. | 15:11 |
| cub | on another note, I saw a thread in the forums on why an installation of VLC would uninstall a couple of ubuntustudio- on saucy, any idea why? | 15:12 |
| OvenWerks | but they still require X. | 15:12 |
| OvenWerks | VLC uninstalls some of the libav things we use. | 15:13 |
| cub | was it like before as well? I don't remember removing anything when I installed vlc | 15:13 |
| cub | then again, it was some time ago | 15:13 |
| OvenWerks | It may be that VLC has switched to using some of the ffmpeg libs which conflict. | 15:14 |
| cub | aha | 15:15 |
| OvenWerks | It may be instructive to read up on ffmpeg vs. avlib... | 15:15 |
| OvenWerks | And other similar messes like cdrecord vs: wodim | 15:16 |
| cub | crap I'm late again. Gotta go! =) | 15:16 |
| OvenWerks | bye | 15:16 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: I know there are git based backup applications. If there's something specific for multimedia, or used for that, I see no problem in adding it | 17:00 |
| zequence | Back home, finally | 17:00 |
| zequence | On a Swedish keyboard :P | 17:00 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: I am not sure about git or how to add it in a useful manner. I just know that there are a number of people on LAU who have mentioned that use git to store ardour snapshots. | 17:04 |
| OvenWerks | ardour is supposed to be able to store it's own snapshots too, but I guess (at least in the past) that has be probematic | 17:05 |
| OvenWerks | s/be/been | 17:05 |
| OvenWerks | nama now (or will soon) use git natively as it's backup/snapshot option. | 17:08 |
| * OvenWerks seems to be in broken english mode today :P | 17:08 | |
| zequence | There's one that deals with backing up the /etc directory | 17:10 |
| zequence | etckeeper | 17:10 |
| zequence | it can do multiple, git, and others | 17:10 |
| zequence | automatic backup of any changes | 17:11 |
| zequence | I'm sure that should be possible to adapt to any application | 17:11 |
| OvenWerks | That might work then. I just don't want to add something without knowing how it works. Without knowing it adds something worth while. | 17:15 |
| OvenWerks | Going on some people have meantioned they use it is not enough to make me comfortable. | 17:15 |
| zequence | I dont think etckeeper as it is would work, I dont really know, but the concept - and using something like git | 17:20 |
| nickgbro | holy, ive been away a while... | 17:27 |
| nickgbro | what's new? | 17:27 |
| cub | OvenWerks, are you around? | 20:36 |
| cub | never mind, catch you tomorrow. :) | 20:37 |
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