[01:13] <mtenen> hurray, I am running kubuntu 13.04 on a 8 year old computer - works great.
[02:45] <Guest61394> Hello. I'm trying to install Kubuntu in a machine with UEFI boot, but the installer is unable to install grub into the UEFI partition. What should I do?
[03:48] <cantinstallgrub> Hello. My Kubuntu installation fails in the end because it cannot install the grub-efi package successfully. I'm trying to recover it manually, following this page: http://superuser.com/questions/376470/how-to-reinstall-grub2-efi, but it doesn't work either, I get errors when trying to reinstall it. What should I do?
[05:49] <skreech_> !EFI
[05:49] <valorie> yeah, but s/he left
[06:00] <skreech_> No that was for me
[06:00] <skreech_>  I forget the stance of UEFI. I'm still really wary of buying a new computer because of it
[06:01] <valorie> ah, ok
[06:01] <valorie> hiya skreech_
[06:01] <skreech_> hi valorie!!!
[06:01]  * skreech_ huuuuuuugs
[06:01] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}
[06:01] <valorie> seems to be a bit of a hurdle, but people overcome it
[06:17] <skreech_> valorie: is it still fragmented by Distro?
[06:18] <valorie> uefi? I don't know
[06:18] <valorie> I guess ask the arch, fedora and opensuse people about that
[08:11] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[10:21] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[10:39] <izanagi> argh, after kernel update, graphic drivers died - had to reinstall nvidia, but it is now working. 
[11:07] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[12:23] <viteac> HI
[12:24]  * viteac is wondering why there's no buttons LEAVE, RESTART in KUBUNTU 13.04
[12:25] <naughx> there is :o
[12:25] <smartboyhw> viteac, there certainly is
[12:25] <naughx> Open the KDE menu
[12:26] <viteac> then something wrong went after restarting, I do not have them
[12:26] <smartboyhw> :O
[12:26] <viteac> naughx: when I open Kmenu, I go to Leave/ there is only Logout and Lock
[12:27] <viteac> I regret now moving from 8 something ;/
[12:27] <BluesKaj> ight click on the desktop , choose leave
[12:27] <viteac> its same man
[12:28] <BluesKaj> then choose logout , once on the logout page choose the red leave button down in the right hand corner
[12:29] <naughx> It's in french, but I've it. http://imgur.com/1xJwNba
[12:29] <BluesKaj> you obviously logged in and out previously
[12:29] <BluesKaj> viteac,^
[12:29] <viteac> there is no other option, even in login out menu where is counting to... , or even same when I want to log in just lock and logout
[12:30] <viteac> certaintly when want to reboot or shut the comp I need go to console ;/
[12:30] <BluesKaj> topen a terminal , sudo halt 
[12:31] <viteac> I know how to do it BluesKaj 
[12:31] <BluesKaj> or reboot
[12:31] <BluesKaj> have you updated/upgraded lately , viteac?
[12:32] <viteac> It doesnt bother me, I'm using nix since 1th versions ;-), but I'm not only one using PC at home
[12:32] <viteac> my wife use it, and 2kids :-)
[12:32] <viteac> I dont want them scary them with black screens ;-)
[12:32] <BluesKaj> then put windows on the pc for them 
[12:33] <viteac> No windows in mine home
[12:33] <BluesKaj> then teach your family that black scrns aren't scary 
[12:34] <naughx> @BluesKaj, BSOD are more. >.>
[12:34] <viteac> BluesKaj: egh BluesKaj not so easy always, but this silly chat doesnt solve mine problem actually.
[12:35] <viteac> not everybody likes this wau communicating with computer.
[12:35] <BluesKaj> I asked you before if you updated and upgraded lately , viteac
[12:37] <viteac> BluesKaj: to be honest is crashing while updating, first wanted to do installation of Mozilla and adds ons for mozi, und I was curious with Mozilla firefox Installer from Kmenu, and that things stopped while: WAITING  with installation.
[12:38] <naughx> It's should've worked...
[12:38] <naughx> it*
[12:38] <viteac> killed it, and wanted check UPDATES, for sake there were some (althought I checked updates while installing the system).
[12:38] <BluesKaj> just run an update then , and try the FF installer again
[12:38] <ikonia> why not just use firefox.....from the ubuntu repos
[12:39] <naughx> sudo apt-get install firefox
[12:39] <viteac> if there is no solution for this yeah I'm going to do it.
[12:39] <ikonia> viteac: why not just do it as it's supported software
[12:39] <viteac> ikonia: I was just curious with this new wizard. 
[12:39] <naughx> Muon package manager?
[12:39] <ikonia> sorry, that seems crazy
[12:39] <viteac> and unluckyli it was not working.
[12:40] <ikonia> you just said other people use the PC - yet your messing around unkwno software
[12:40] <viteac> ikonia: it's just a PC :/
[12:41] <viteac> that's my job anyway
[12:41] <BluesKaj> the FF installer used to be default , dunno if it still is , haven't done a clean install since 12.04 
[12:41] <viteac> If you have backup, many disc you can mess with you PC it doesn't bite you.
[12:41] <ikonia> viteac: yes, but your argument was that other people use the PC 
[12:42] <BluesKaj> due to the ubiquity HW recognition problem that the devs can't seem to solve
[12:42] <viteac> yeah, and I want to have friendly PC at home, so I don't want to teach a wife line commands if she doesn't want.
[12:42] <ikonia> so don't put unknown software on it
[12:43] <ikonia> keep it stable and use trusted software
[12:43] <viteac> why?
[12:43] <viteac> that's is not problem.
[12:43] <ikonia> because it breaks like this and then isn't a friendly computer 
[12:43] <ikonia> oh, you seem to be asking how to fix a problem, suggesting it's a problem you can't fix
[12:43] <ikonia> that struck me as a problem 
[12:43] <viteac> no you're wrong.
[12:44] <viteac> Just came to ask if you meet the problem.
[12:44] <ikonia> carry on then, it's clear you don't need help
[12:44] <BluesKaj> there's no leave option in the shutdown dialog , ikonia
[12:44] <viteac> Just wanted solve it without rebooting the window manager.
[12:45] <ikonia> BluesKaj: yes, but he doesn't need help, 
[12:45] <ikonia> BluesKaj: he's just said. 
[12:45] <ikonia> BluesKaj: to me that seems like a pretty big problem for other users if there are no buttons
[12:45] <ikonia> but I'm wrong
[12:46] <viteac> oh ikonia go take some air because your'e brain is crashing.
[12:46] <ikonia> I assure you it's not
[12:46] <BluesKaj> viteac, reboot your pc , see if the shutdown button is back 
[12:47] <viteac> BluesKaj: funny because done it already and there're not.
[12:47] <viteac> Ok, I go away, having fun what went wrong ;-)
[12:48] <BluesKaj> the shut it off completely and boot up again :)
[12:48] <BluesKaj> then
[12:49] <BluesKaj> ahh ppl with attitude become trolls so quickly :)
[12:50] <viteac> yeah, I check logs yet and try another account however I were not doing anything with Icons, or rights. The first thing I were doing was updates and installing mozilla when had have reset PC after installing os.
[12:50] <naughx> Back:)
[12:55] <BluesKaj> interesting that some users think of the command line as unfriendly 
[12:57] <BluesKaj> it's the opposite in fact ...fewer processes required to achieve an action
[12:57] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: if there's gui method to do things and the user is more familiar with the gui, I'd recommend instructing them with the gui tools
[13:00] <BluesKaj> yes at first the gui is the method to use , but after one becomes familiar with the OS, it's time for a new phase and IMO learning some terminal commands is the next step
[13:02] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: support channel's role isn't force that step though IMO, maybe we should continue on -offtopic from this?
[13:04] <BluesKaj> Tm_T, no need , I've already said my piece.
[13:27] <home> hi
[13:27] <home> are somthing here?
[13:28] <NanduX> We is h3r3
[13:28] <smartboyhw> home, yes we ARE here
[13:33] <lordievader> Hello
[15:09] <cantinstallgrub> Resending the question I sent last night: Hello. My Kubuntu installation fails in the end because it cannot install the grub-efi package successfully. I'm trying to recover it manually, following this page: http://superuser.com/questions/376470/how-to-reinstall-grub2-efi, but it doesn't work either, I get errors when trying to reinstall it. I'm trying to install it in the Asus UX31A (Zenbook Prime). Is this a known problem? What should I do?
[15:16] <viteac> hi
[15:17] <viteac> BluesKaj: with mine previous problem it must be something with updates when installing. 
[15:38] <IdleOne> on 13.04 I have had kscreen being held back for over a month. Could someone tell me why this package is being held back?
[15:45] <BluesKaj> IdleOne, have you updated your kde version ?
[15:46] <IdleOne> BluesKaj: I run the updates regularly, but I haven't gone outside the regular repos.
[15:46] <IdleOne> so no PPA's
[15:47] <BluesKaj> IdleOne, got the backports enabled ?
[15:52] <IdleOne> sorry, had to step away a moment. let me check the backports
[15:53] <IdleOne> BluesKaj: nope, backports are not enabled
[15:55] <NalakaHewa_> Hi, does kubuntu have mysql server by default or do I have to install it?
[15:58] <BluesKaj> IdleOne, well , if your interested in the latest KDE version run a dist-upgrade 
[15:59] <IdleOne> BluesKaj: I have, but kscreen is still held back
[15:59] <BluesKaj> IdleOne, odd , I haven't noticed that on 13.04 , I'll have to check . I'm on 13.10 atm 
[16:00] <BluesKaj> BBL 
[16:00] <IdleOne> it doesn't seem to be affecting my install it just a little annoying to me to see that 1 package not updating :)
[16:00] <IdleOne> later
[18:16] <lordievader> Good evening.
[18:17] <moriger> Good evening :0
[18:17] <moriger> :)
[18:17] <lordievader> Hey moriger, how are you?
[18:18] <moriger> Well and well. How fares the Force?
[18:18] <lordievader> Quite dark ;)
[18:22] <moriger> wel,l at least you will not be sunburned!
[18:36] <viteac> hi
[19:13] <bopper_> hello all
[19:27] <stalkerg> hello all
[19:28] <lordievader> Hey stalkerg 
[19:30] <stalkerg> if I develop program and public under GPL, but this program for work need include freeware and link binary lib, I violate the GPL?
[21:01] <BluesKaj> IdleOne, muon upgraded kscreen just fine ...bit of a mystery there , maybe muon looks at the repos with dpkg instead of apt. 
[21:02] <BluesKaj> dpkg first that is 
[22:15] <Kuuga-RX> Sounds pretty fair.