[00:00] <OrokuSaki_> I had it running... but I would like to know the *right* way as it doesn't like symbolic links, etc...
[00:00] <annerajb>  /system/vendor  /vendor auto    ro,bind 0       0
[00:00] <annerajb> that's how mine looks inside the rootfs
[00:00] <OrokuSaki_> I tried editing config in /var/lib/lxc/android/config... and adding a fstab, but it doesn't seem to detect it?
[00:00] <OrokuSaki_> thank you so much!
[00:01] <OrokuSaki_> =)
[00:05] <OrokuSaki> got the touch script to work with dm\lvm =)
[00:06] <OrokuSaki> lxc-info -n android shows running, odd though.. my vendor is mounted in /proc/pid/root, and system is empty
[00:08] <OrokuSaki> would be cooler if we could do /var/lib/lxc/android/config and fstab... config should have a line that says lxc.mount = /path/to/fstab
[00:08] <OrokuSaki> and have a seperate fstab for the container
[00:32] <OrokuSaki> android-chroot is working.. so close
[00:32] <OrokuSaki> =)
[00:34] <w-flo> OrokuSaki, I think I didn't get my mounts set up properly yet, but I always supposed the container would use the android fstab.. so that's separate, isn't it?
[00:35] <w-flo> Also I'd be interested in the "findmnt" output if everything works for you, maybe it helps me fix mounts on my device..
[00:46] <OrokuSaki_> "init: using deprecated syntax for specifying property 'ro.product.manufacturer', use ${name} instead"
[00:47] <OrokuSaki_> otherwise everything else seems to be working .. unity8 no longer says it cant find egl
[00:47] <OrokuSaki_> getting close! =)
[00:48] <annerajb> you get video output?
systemd-udevd[581]: Failed to apply ACL on /dev/video20: Operation not supported
[00:48] <OrokuSaki_> those are my last 2 things to work on
[00:48] <w-flo> the ACL one is easy
[00:48] <OrokuSaki_> I added it to my 70-tenderloin.rules
[00:48] <OrokuSaki_> still no go.. looks  like this
[00:49] <w-flo> it's a kernel config..
[00:49] <OrokuSaki_> oh! its w-flo! the guy on that page
[00:49] <w-flo> something in menuconfig.. filesystems, pseudo filesystems..
[00:49] <OrokuSaki_> okay... hmmm
[00:49] <w-flo> uhm yeah, hi :D
[00:51] <w-flo> ah, there it is. you need to set CONFIG_TMPFS_POSIX_ACL=y (and any dependencies, which menuconfig should take care of)
[00:52] <OrokuSaki> how do I do that???
[00:52] <OrokuSaki> =)
[00:52] <OrokuSaki> just kidding, THANKS!
[00:52] <OrokuSaki> I will mention you on my credit!
[00:52] <w-flo> no need to do that, just credit #ubuntu-touch.. lots of helpful people in here :)
[00:53] <OrokuSaki> oh, no.. I keep alist.. and its gonna be LONG =)
[00:53] <w-flo> oh, i see
[00:53] <OrokuSaki> yep
[00:53] <OrokuSaki> yep that is yes in current mako config, gotta go take the wife to grab grub... post a thanks when I get home and check it out!
[00:54] <w-flo> bye everyone, I'm off to bed :)
[00:54] <OrokuSaki> thanks again!
[01:49] <csmart> testing out ubuntu touch on mako device, instructions in wiki say to run:
[01:50] <csmart> phablet-flash (cdimage-touch|cdimage-legacy|ubuntu-system|community) -b
[01:50] <csmart> I assume I want "cdimage-touch" for that? so:
[01:50] <csmart> phablet-flash cdimage-touch -b
[01:50] <csmart> ?
[01:51] <cjohnston> csmart: yes
[01:52] <csmart> cjohnston, thanks, and if I want to manually flash them all using adb/fastboot (rather than phablet-flash) I should manually flash recovery, boot, system, etc, like a regular android image?
[01:54] <cjohnston> I'm not sure, but I think there are docs on that on the wiki
[01:55] <csmart> yeah, according to those it would be:
[01:55] <csmart> "Copy the saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+mako zip file to the /sdcard/ directory naming it "autodeploy.zip" on the device using adb"
[01:55] <csmart> then same for:
[01:55] <csmart> saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip
[01:56] <csmart> so maybe preinstalled has everythign I need.. haven't looked inside the zip yet (downloading)
[01:58] <mfisch> sforshee: I think that powerd may have issues with the gsettings in the read-only image. The log is full of this: (process:777): dconf-CRITICAL **: unable to create directory '/root/.cache/dconf
[01:58] <mfisch> ': Read-only file system.  dconf will not work properly.
[02:10] <csmart> flash success, thanks
[02:25] <RobbyF> any inside scoop on when click packages can be installed from device? I don't feel like 'sideloading' them daily.
[02:52] <beuno> RobbyF, what do you mean?
[03:45] <kwyjibo^> is ubuntu touch stable?
[03:46] <cjohnston> kwyjibo^: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Instructions_for_flashing_a_phone_or_tablet_device_with_Ubuntu
[04:24] <hramrach> hello
[04:25] <hramrach> I added my device-specific stuff to the touch repo
[04:25] <hramrach> and I get this: /home/hramrach/adam-touch/out/host/linux-x86/obj/STATIC_LIBRARIES/libcrypto_static_intermediates/crypto/bn/asm/co-586.o
[04:25] <hramrach> crypto/bn/asm/co-586.s:8: Error: invalid instruction suffix for `push'
[04:26] <hramrach> this is  of course invalid
[04:26] <hramrach> I get x86 library built for arm target which is not going to work
[04:26] <annerajb> hramrach, that sounds like you forgot to remove the libandroid or DeviceCodenameParts build target
[04:28]  * annerajb goes to sleep 
[04:28] <hramrach> remove where?
[05:11] <OrokuSaki_> Anyone got any ideas?? no video
[05:11] <OrokuSaki_> http://pastebin.com/z2PAt4NH
[05:11] <OrokuSaki_> android-chroot works...
[05:12] <OrokuSaki_> init: using deprecated syntax for specifying property 'ro.product.manufacturer', use ${name} instead [  147.088409] init: using deprecated syntax for specifying property 'ro.product.model', use ${name} instead
[05:12] <OrokuSaki_> init: powerd main process (550) killed by SEGV signal [  154.660712] init: powerd main process ended, respawning [  178.419456] init: powerd main process (1050) killed by SEGV signal
[05:12] <OrokuSaki_> ?
[05:14] <OrokuSaki_> cat /var/log/upstart/powerd.log  __pthread_gettid -2 __pthread_gettid -2 __pthread_gettid -2 __pthread_gettid -2 __pthread_gettid -2
[05:15] <OrokuSaki_> cat ubuntu-touch-session-phablet.log Handling :sys:power_supply-device-changed event event_finished: Finished :sys:power_supply-device-changed event
[05:15] <OrokuSaki_> hmm maybe I can logcat now
[05:18] <OrokuSaki_> this repeats with logcat... I/ServiceManager( 1382): Waiting for service sensorservice... I/ServiceManager(  633): Waiting for service SurfaceFlinger...
[05:24] <didrocks> gema_: hey, any news on the intel machine being down?
[05:26] <OrokuSaki_> "Aug 21 05:25:33 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [ 1145.647574] init: powerd main process ended, respawning Aug 21 05:25:33 ubuntu-phablet powerd[1678]: No backlight devices found Aug 21 05:25:33 ubuntu-phablet powerd[1678]: Could not read maximum brightness, guessing at dim/bright values"
[05:26] <OrokuSaki_> Hmmmm
[05:30] <didrocks> gema_: apparently, 2 pings on your team for the past 12 hours and no action :/
[05:30] <didrocks> gema_: dailies are blocked since then
[05:30] <didrocks> asac: FYI ^
[05:30]  * didrocks will workaround deprovisionning the machine which is out
[05:52] <Mirv> Kaleo: segfault with the qtdeclarative geometry correction patch: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6009115/
[05:54] <KingOfTdot> Time to pickup your refunds (for those who have purchased an Edge).
[05:54] <Mirv> Kaleo: it's testable (for now) by adding ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-staging in addition to qt5-beta-proper
[05:55] <OrokuSaki_> "chmod 0664 /dev/lm8502     chmod 0664 /sys/class/leds/core_navi_left/brightness     chmod 0664 /sys/class/leds/core_navi_right/brightness     chown system system /dev/lm8502     chown system system /sys/class/leds/core_navi_left/brightness     chown system system /sys/class/leds/core_navi_right/brightness"
[05:55] <OrokuSaki_> no /sys/class/backlight.. not in my CM10 souce
[05:55] <OrokuSaki_> otherwise I think I might have graphics
[05:59] <Mirv> OrokuSaki_: I had a problem of backlight on my N9 back in the days.. in that case graphics was all running, but the backlight was indeed off. however, I can't help much on how to debug whether your case is similar, since I don't know what to look for in logs.
[06:00] <OrokuSaki_> my backlight is on! =)
[06:00] <OrokuSaki_> I can read it and write to it
[06:00] <OrokuSaki_> it works great!
[06:01] <OrokuSaki_> powerd is looking at /sys/class/backlight.. and its empty
[06:01] <OrokuSaki_> so I moved /etc/init/powerd.conf to / reboot same thing
[06:01] <OrokuSaki_> no graphics =)
[06:03] <OrokuSaki_> strange.. I have more work to do not
[06:45] <asac> ogra_: wow ... mako is really going crazy with ueventd ... did you hear news on that one?
[06:49] <dholbach> good morning
[07:08] <OrokuSaki> [  193.914655] <27>systemd-udevd[638]: 'accelerometer /devices/i2c-0/0-001e/input/input2/event2' [1095] terminated by signal 9 (Killed)
[07:08] <OrokuSaki> that is why powerd segfaults
[07:09] <OrokuSaki> no sensors, no graphics... otherwise my adreno starts in phablet logs
[07:09] <OrokuSaki> does accelerometers work yet?
[07:09] <OrokuSaki> or do?
[07:20] <neoXsys> I am looking for Ubuntu Phone OS build which Jono is demonstrating in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q566IGyVB0o#t=16 for my Nexus 4 | mako
[07:21] <Mirv> OrokuSaki: I don't know what lowlevel support it needs, but works on nexus devices, I've tested it via qtubuntu-sensors to get some readings
[07:22] <OrokuSaki> Perhaps I should disable that sensor
[07:23] <OrokuSaki> root@ubuntu-phablet:/data/ubuntu# ./usr/bin/test_sensors test_sensors: test_sensors.c:29: main: Assertion `hwmod != ((void *)0)' failed. Aborted (core dumped)
[07:48] <gema_> didrocks: hey
[07:49] <gema_> didrocks: who did you tell about this?
[07:49] <didrocks> gema_: cyphermox_ pinged you apparently
[07:49] <didrocks> and Mirv this morning
[07:49] <gema_> didrocks: me? or someone in my team, if so, who?
[07:49] <gema_> didrocks: if that machine is stuck we need rfowler during his working hours to look at it
[07:50] <didrocks> gema_: #qa
[07:50] <didrocks> gema_: it's what you told us to use AFAIK
[07:50] <didrocks> gema_: so we are really stucking all dailies for 24h?
[07:51] <gema_> didrocks: I think we need to give you an extra machine for when these things happen, we only have rfowler in the lab and when rebooting from the CDU doesn't help we need someone phisically to look at them
[07:52] <didrocks> gema_: right, especially as we can't use ati right now
[07:52] <didrocks> because of Mir
[07:52] <gema_> didrocks: we either stuck them or as you said, you take that machine off until we are back online
[07:52] <didrocks> and now no more intel
[07:52] <didrocks> gema_: just have one machine though :/
[07:52] <didrocks> (because ati has another issue due to Mir, still the case today)
[07:53] <gema_> didrocks: it may be time to have a look at your situation and your machines and get you sorted in a more sustainable way
[07:53] <didrocks> gema_: right, the production site of QA is really fragile, we need a more dynamic approach
[07:53] <gema_> didrocks: thomi and chrisgagnon are testing mir
[07:53] <gema_> didrocks: agreed
[07:54] <didrocks> gema_: right, but not on that machine where we have the issue for 4 weeks
[07:54] <gema_> didrocks: is the issue an ubuntu issue or a hardware issue?
[07:55] <didrocks> gema_: seems a Mir issue
[07:55] <gema_> didrocks: is anyone in the mir team working on this?
[07:56] <didrocks> gema_: trying hard for the past 4 weeks
[07:56] <gema_> didrocks: do you have the bug number?
[07:56] <didrocks> see the email about "Mir being block on ue-leads"
[07:56] <didrocks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1204939
[07:57] <gema_> didrocks: ok, I am going to escalate it as well
[07:57] <didrocks> thanks
[07:57] <gema_> there has been an attempt at fixing already
[07:57] <gema_> but no luck
[07:57] <didrocks> right
[07:57] <gema_> will try to figure out with chrisgagnon why I haven't heard of this issue in the context of our mir testing
[07:57] <gema_> because we are testing ati as well
[07:58] <didrocks> gema_: he's aware about it, we have meeting twice a week and discuss about that issue with kgunn and olli
[07:58] <didrocks> gema_: you don't have the same card
[07:58] <didrocks> so can be driver/card specific
[07:58] <Spii> hello guys!
[07:58] <Spii> Is someone here familiar with porting ubuntu-touch?
[07:58] <gema_> didrocks: ok, so we may be able to unstuck you by installing a different ati card on that machine and shipping the one that causes the problem to tvoss or someone in the mir team
[07:59] <gema_> didrocks: let me figure this out today
[07:59] <gema_> will get back to you
[07:59] <didrocks> gema_: we are not 100% sure it's the card, but it seem the most logic guilty guy
[07:59] <didrocks> thanks
[07:59] <gema_> np
[07:59] <gema_> didrocks: in any case, what is olli's and kgunn's view on the issue?
[08:00] <gema_> are they unable to reproduce or is it something else?
[08:00] <didrocks> gema_: they have the machine for them
[08:00] <didrocks> gema_: really, look at the email olli sent on ue-leads a week ago
[08:00] <didrocks> about blocking Mir
[08:00] <gema_> didrocks: ok, will dig that one out
[08:05] <Spii> Hello, I am trying to port ubuntu-touch to my phone (htc one s - villec2). I followed the guide and compiled successfully, but the phone doesnt boot. I need now some help, finding the problem
[08:09] <splinterx7_> Spii, have you tried reading the /proc/last_kmsg log?
[08:10] <Spii> There is a problem with that
[08:10] <Spii> Cause I dont get the one from my ubuntu-touch boot try
[08:10] <ivan_> newbivan
[08:11] <Spii> And adb (logcat) doesnt work because it says 'device offline'
[08:15] <Guest81783> Hey.  Going todothe newb thing here.   Trying to restore my ubuntu to android, but it won't boot ubuntu. For a while it wouldn't give me permissions.  Now  at least I can find it with adb but it will only do so in recovery.
[08:28] <Guest81783> Hey.  Going todothe newb thing here.   Trying to restore my ubuntu to android, but it won't boot ubuntu. For a while it wouldn't give me permissions.  Now  at least I can find it with adb but it will only do so in recovery.
[08:32] <nerochiaro> sil2100: hi, just checking up on the status of getting ubuntu-ui-extras into saucy. is that done ?
[08:32] <sil2100> nerochiaro: dealing with that, one more merge we need in ;) But it's all set-up
[08:33] <splinterx7_> Guest81783, if you're trying to restore android boot into fastboot and flash the boot partition with an android rom
[08:41] <Guest81783> in fastboot it doesn't list anything when I use adb devices
[08:45] <splinterx7_> Guest, adb does not function in fastboot. fastboot functions in fastboot
[08:45] <pinqvin_> hello i have samsung nexus i9023 phone and I'm planning to install ubuntu on it. Where i can find good information and does ubuntu touch work on it well?
[08:47] <Cristi> hello
[08:47] <Guest42319> anyone here ?
[08:49] <splinterx7_> pinqvin, have a read through of this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/PortingFlippedInProgress
[08:51] <asac> jcollado: ho
[08:51] <asac> jcollado: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3673/
[08:51] <pinqvin_> thanks
[08:51] <asac> jcollado: can you go through those that have failed tests and for which system-settle-before failed
[08:51] <asac> and retry them?
[08:51] <Guest42319> could anyone help with some QML tips ?
[08:51] <asac> jcollado: e.g. http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3673/calendar-app-autopilot/ that one
[08:51] <asac> jcollado: and http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3673/ubuntu-terminal-app-autopilot/ ...  that one
[08:52] <asac> (there are more ... please go through all mako ones
[08:52] <asac> and retry and let us know once those finish
[08:52] <asac> )
[08:52] <asac> thanks
[08:55] <splinterx7_> Guest42319, use a mixture of the official ubuntu qml docs and a bit of this will help http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qtquick.html
[08:56]  * jcollado looks at the results for mako
[08:58] <Guest42319> i want to make a small contact list with tabs, and when i click on items from the list I go anothr page from de pagestack, but that other page from pagestack I want to have tabs also
[08:58] <Guest42319> pushing in pagestack different Tabs objects doesnt work
[09:02] <greyback> Guest42319: #ubuntu-app-devel would be a better place to ask
[09:03] <Guest42319> ok thanks
[09:03] <Guest81783> splinterx7_  I'm  feeling the  need to underline newb
[09:03] <greyback> Guest42319: I think there may be problems in doing what you ask, since both PageStack & Tabs create a 'header'. Not sure, those guys should be better to help
[09:04] <jcollado> asac: Done. Scheduled new run for ubuntu-terminal-app, ubuntu-filemanager-app, music-app, calendar-app and share-app.
[09:08] <splinterx7_> Guest81783, i recommend you try googling how to install custom roms for whatever your device is. xda-developers forum will almost certainly contain what you're looking for. In the future remember to make backups before you dive into development builds :)
[09:09] <didrocks> gema_: asac: I just received an email from jibel
[09:09] <didrocks> this guy needs to stay on holidays
[09:09] <didrocks> the machine has been move on the CDU PS_Intel_LE_AP
[09:09] <asac> didrocks: ?
[09:09] <didrocks> he gave me the right port
[09:09] <asac> ah yeah... i would force him :)
[09:09] <didrocks> (so the wiki page is not up to date :p)
[09:10] <didrocks> he restarted it
[09:10] <asac> didrocks: can you update the wiki?
[09:10] <asac> or jibel?
[09:11] <didrocks> asac: pfff, I've already done it, what do you think? :p
[09:12] <didrocks> it also mean that the port for the nvidia machine isn't the right one
[09:12] <didrocks> (it's the same port)
[09:12]  * didrocks found the right port
[09:13] <gema_> didrocks: sounds good
[09:13] <nerochiaro> sil2100: excellent, thank you. can you please keep me posted and let me know if it gets in today ?
[09:13] <didrocks> ok, found it and updated the wiki
[09:13] <didrocks> gema_: I think you will need someone in lexington looking at the wiki page and refreshing everything
[09:13] <gema_> didrocks: will discuss that with larry and rfowler today
[09:14] <didrocks> thanks
[09:14] <gema_> didrocks: can I invite you to our 30 mins standup so that you can give them this feedback personally?
[09:14] <gema_> it shouldn't take you more than 10 mins, i would think
[09:15] <gema_> didrocks: anyway, you are invited, we will be talking about this if you want to show up :)
[09:15] <didrocks> gema_: if it will take less than 10 minutes, ok. I'm already under almost a day of backlog due to this :p
[09:15] <didrocks> ok
[09:15] <didrocks> (between mir ati and this one)
[09:15] <didrocks> so after this run
[09:15] <didrocks> I reprovision intel
[09:15] <didrocks> so that next run is using it
[09:16] <gema_> didrocks: ack, up to you, will be talking to them about it, I wonder why jibel knows better the CDU ports than the wiki
[09:16] <didrocks> gema_: he knew the little machine name
[09:17] <didrocks> gema_: the CDU reflects it
[09:17] <Guest81783> splinterx7_ I've been trying an XDA method or a while now.  Terminal keeps tellin  me  the fastboot-linu file doesn't exist.  It will  run others, so I'm in the right directory, bu refuses to see the one file.
[09:17] <didrocks> gema_: that's how he found it changed
[09:17] <gema_> didrocks: ack
[09:31] <splinterx7_> can anyone point to somewhere which describes how to make a proper android-boot.img for the build process? (I understand i can't just copy paste the device's original like i did in the past :) )
[09:33] <Spii> hey splinterx7_ , I have to add in the build/core/main.mk, the vendor and the device 'htc', right? Because I added the vendor and it compiled fine, but if I add device then it fails
[09:34] <Guest81783> Evrything keeps coming back to no permissions again
[09:35] <asac> jcollado: how is the retry going?
[09:36] <ogra_> asac, rsalveti wanted to focus on the ueventd thing yesterday ... and iirc slangasek too
[09:36] <asac> ogra_: cool.
[09:37] <ogra_> but it dont know any details
[09:37] <asac> i sense we might get a fix this week - with some luck
[09:38] <jcollado> asac: I see good results except for the terminal-app job. However, the build has been updated from 20130820.1 to 20130821, so results for the last build won't be updated.
[09:40] <splinterx7_> Spii, I would assume so but I'm not expert, I've come here for help myself in compiling for my asus tf201. I didn't have to add anything the last time I made a bootable build but i see that main.mk already contains 	vendor/asus \ as a subdir
[09:40] <asac> jcollado: can you keep an eye and if systemsettle fails miserably retry the jobs with failures?
[09:40] <Spii> Yep, and htc is missing -.-
[09:41] <asac> jcollado: if you look at the systemsettle-before and find that ueventd is looping, just retry
[09:41] <asac> if there are failures in autopilot tests
[09:41] <Spii> Maybe someone knows that error: No rule to make target 'out/target/product/villec2/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libgenlock_intermediates/export_includes', needed by 'out/target/product/villec2/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/camera.msm8660_intermediates/import_includes
[09:41] <jcollado> asac: Ok
[09:46] <asac> jcollado: so http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3685/ubuntu-terminal-app-autopilot/ looks suspicious for instance
[09:46] <asac> check out the log
[09:46] <asac>  443 root      20   0   376  196  100 R  98.9  0.0   0:32.41 ueventd
[09:46] <asac> so yeah
[09:46] <jcollado> asac: Yes, I've scheduled I new run.
[09:47] <jcollado> s/I new/a new/
[09:49] <asac> nice
[09:55] <spanner3003> hi i have all the code for unity8 ubuntu-download-manager and unity-click-scope how do i get click package viewer to show in unity8
[09:56] <spanner3003> i'v compiled them all and they work and i have qt creator
[09:57] <spanner3003> i'm looking at the code but can't fined the enabler
[10:08] <Guest81783> splinterx7_ Problem seems to be ubuntu.  Moved my backups to my windows laptop and everything worked. thx for your time.
[10:11] <splinterx7_> no problem :)
[10:19] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:19] <spanner3003> hi i have all the code for unity8 ubuntu-download-manager and unity-click-scope how do i get click package viewer to show in unity8
[10:19] <spanner3003> i'm looking at the code but can't fined the enabler
[10:19] <spanner3003> i'v compiled them all and they work and i have qt creator
[10:24] <davmor2> ogra_: what is going on with http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/ one batch says it works next batch says 0% which ones are all lies?
[10:25] <ogra_> none of them :)
[10:25] <ogra_> the failed ones failed because the system didnt settle in time
[10:25] <ogra_> (i.e. because of ueventd eating your CPU) ...
[10:26] <ogra_> davmor2, jcollado is retrying all the ones that failed due to that (see above)
[10:26] <ogra_> so they dont lie, they just got more cautious :)
[10:27] <davmor2> ogra_: They lie I tell you ;)  so is this an issue I should hold off flashing for I was hoping to see if cyphermox_ 's fix landed
[10:28] <ogra_> apt-get update && apt-get install network-manager ?
[10:30] <splinterx7_> is there meant to be a porting clinic today?
[10:30] <ogra_> next week
[10:30] <ogra_> (or did i get dholbach wrong ?)
[10:31] <splinterx7_> I think jono made a comment on omgubuntu saying it was today but deleted that now, so I'm guessing it is in fact next week
[10:32] <splinterx7_> (typical as I'll be on holiday then... oh well hopefully the logs will be of good use)
[10:33] <ogra_> the last one we worked on pretty specific HW issues, not sure how helpful the logs actually are
[10:48] <Saviq> ogra_, hey, we're doing another switchover, can we ask for -chewie +indicator-network in ubuntu-touch?
[10:48]  * ogra_ humps Saviq's leg ... 
[10:49] <ogra_> Saviq, indeed !!!
[10:49] <ogra_> \o/
[10:49] <Saviq> uh oh...
[10:49] <ogra_> heh
[10:49]  * davmor2 takes ogra_ to the vets for neutering 
[10:49] <ogra_> lol
[10:50] <Saviq> dednick, ubuntu-touch being taken care of ↑
[10:50] <Saviq> ogra_, can we somehow do s/chewie/indicator-network/ on dist-upgrade or is it not worth it?
[10:51] <Saviq> ogra_, or will it get apt-get autoremoved actually?
[10:51] <ogra_> you would have to conflict/break on chewie from the indicator package to have it removed
[10:52] <ogra_> the seeds and metapackages dont handle package removals
[10:52] <ogra_> (confolcts/breaks/replaces actually i think)
[10:52] <dednick> Saviq, ogra_: indicator-network has conflict with chewie
[10:52] <ogra_> ah,good
[10:52] <Saviq> dednick, ah!
[10:52] <ogra_> then this should just work
[10:53] <Saviq> good!
[11:06] <dholbach> ogra_, tomorrow
[11:06] <ogra_> oh, ok
[11:06]  * ogra_ thought next thu.
[11:12]  * ogra_ spots 20130819.19 on the dashbard and grins
[11:23] <sil2100> nerochiaro: ubuntu-ui-extras in -proposed
[11:24] <nerochiaro> sil2100: excellent. what's the process from there ?
[11:37] <cyphermox_> davmor2: I did land NM yesterday, I think it probably should be on the image already but if not you can always update to get it
[11:37] <davmor2> cyphermox_: yeah apparently the image is broken with a cpu eater
[11:38] <cyphermox_> dah
[11:38] <ogra_> not more than all the ones before
[11:39] <ogra_> its just that we now have a test for this
[11:47] <dholbach> ralsina, so on today's image I could see mhall119's xda app, install it, but not launch it - do you have an idea why?
[11:48] <RobbyF> it's fake
[11:49] <RobbyF> an example
[11:49] <didrocks> barry: hey, tell me once you are around (for mock & sytem update ;))
[11:51] <Spii> Hey, I am trying to port ubuntu-touch preview to my htc (villec2) but I get the following error while compiling: No rule to make target 'out/target/product/villec2/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libgenlock_intermediates/export_includes', needed by 'out/target/product/villec2/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/camera.msm8660_intermediates/import_includes
[11:52] <Spii> It happens when I add in the subdirs from 'build/core/main.mk' the 'device/htc \'
[12:23] <ralsina> dholbach: there are some issues with the apps, and/or interactions with click package installer
[12:23] <asac> jcollado: what do you think about calendar?
[12:23] <asac> worth retryuing?
[12:24] <asac> jcollado: and calc? (both mako)
[12:24] <asac> balloons: please check out latest from mako
[12:24] <asac> weather seems to be still a problem (guess IS)
[12:24] <asac> but the others feel pretty close, but just not there :)
[12:25] <asac> err maguro for now
[12:26] <ogra_> asac, calendar and calc are both ueventd issues
[12:26] <ogra_> (the new test is great)
[12:27] <ogra_> seems grouper fails due to pulse all the time
[12:27] <diwic> pulse?
[12:27] <asac> ogra_: right... hence i hoped for a retry
[12:28] <ogra_> diwic, yeah, thats the new system settle tests that no runs before app tests on the devices ... here is grouper, scroll down to the top output
[12:28] <ogra_> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3687/ubuntu-weather-app-autopilot/292290/
[12:28] <asac> yeah pulse is creating issues on grouper
[12:28] <ogra_> pulse hogs the CPU on the grouper default image
[12:28] <asac> didnt want to put that on priority though :)
[12:28] <asac> but interesting that one can observe this now :)
[12:28] <asac> like it
[12:28] <ogra_> well, diwic works on it right now
[12:28] <ogra_> and he has a grouper :)
[12:29] <ogra_> diwic, btw, how do we proceed with maguro and pulse now ?
[12:29] <ogra_> i really think the image isnt ok
[12:29] <ogra_> (wrt phone-app not starting on incoming calls etc)
[12:30] <diwic> ogra_, so; something weird has happened here on my N4. I'm getting minute-long delays when trying to open the sound card, and dmesg errors related to q6
[12:30] <diwic> ogra_, I think q6 is some sort of audio dsp on the N4
[12:31] <ogra_> diwic, are you sure its not ueventd hanging ?
[12:31] <ogra_> (and keeping it to busy to come up faater)
[12:31] <ogra_> *faster
[12:33] <diwic> ogra_, with error messages like this? http://bpaste.net/show/124594/
[12:33] <ogra_> if ueventd hangs all HW management misbehaves
[12:33] <diwic> ogra_, how do I detect if ueventd has hanged?
[12:33] <ogra_> so it could well cause this ... best check first with top
[12:34] <ogra_> you should see it eating 90% of your CPU
[12:34] <ogra_> if thats the case, just reboot
[12:34] <jcollado> asac: Scheduled a new run for both (ueventd cpu problem)
[12:34] <asac> cool
[12:36] <diwic> ogra_, okay, I'll check this the next time it happens
[12:36] <ogra_> its a boot race, i would just check after each reboot
[12:36] <ogra_> you should see it pretty immediately
[12:37] <ogra_> if it is there the device gets pretty useless
[12:37] <diwic> ogra_, it seemed to happen all the time yesterday evening...and once today, but now I can't seem to reproduce, so maybe you're right
[12:38] <ogra_> yeah, its a known issue multiple people are working on
[12:38] <ogra_> intrestingly it only happens on mako
[12:39] <rsalveti> morning
[12:40] <ogra_> moaning
[12:40] <sergiusens> rsalveti: good morning!
[12:40] <sergiusens> ogra_: stop moaning and get stuff DONE :-P
[12:40] <ogra_> haha
[12:41] <cyphermox> sergiusens: I might need to pick you brain later to try to reinstall my chromebook :)
[12:42] <diwic> wohoo, speakermode now works on the pulseuadio image
[12:42] <sergiusens> cyphermox: sure, I just went with precise, feels faster and I get a smooth unity (2d) :-)
[12:42] <sergiusens> diwic: \o/
[12:42] <cyphermox> dah
[12:42] <cyphermox> you're useless then :)
[12:42] <sergiusens> cyphermox: you want saucy?
[12:43] <cyphermox> yup
[12:43] <diwic> ogra_, so, did you try +phablet10 version of pulseaudio ?
[12:43] <sergiusens> cyphermox: the problem with saucy is that with all the armhf tricks going on we get a really unstable system and I plan to take this to the sprint
[12:44] <cyphermox> sergiusens: ack
[12:44] <sergiusens> cyphermox: just use the one script to rule them all and select saucy ;-)
[12:44] <cyphermox> well I'll just have to bring my chromebook to the sprint as well then
[12:44] <cyphermox> the one script?
[12:44] <cyphermox> urgh
[12:44] <sergiusens> cyphermox: one sec
[12:44] <cyphermox> not some script written by someone nobody knows?
[12:45] <diwic> ogra_, as for the phone app I've discovered that if you're not connected to the mobile network, the phone app does nothing when you press the dial button
[12:45] <sergiusens> cyphermox: yeah that one, but hwr did do some fixes, the code is on github
[12:45] <sergiusens> cyphermox: https://github.com/jay0lee/chrubuntu-script
[12:46] <cyphermox> ogra_: so, with the cpu hog, not a good idea to flash pending?
[12:46] <sergiusens> cyphermox: look at the last contributors ;-)
[12:47] <rsalveti> diwic: nice work :-)
[12:48] <rsalveti> ogra_: latest pulseaudio image should behave similarly as the default one
[12:48] <rsalveti> updated the seeds yesterday to reflect the new broken indicators :P
[12:48] <rsalveti> sergiusens: buenos dias
[12:49] <rsalveti> brb, coffee
[12:49] <sergiusens> rsalveti: tudo bom?
[12:49] <diwic> sound indicator mute + volume working in PulseAudio image too
[12:51] <cyphermox> rsalveti: broken indicators/
[12:51] <cyphermox> ?
[12:55] <Kaleo> Mirv: you have to remove the line 1228 of the file where it crashes
[12:55] <Kaleo> Mirv: it's just a debug line
[12:55] <Kaleo> Mirv: that does not check if the pointer is valid
[12:59] <Mirv> Kaleo: "qDebug() << d->devicePixelRatio;"? ok, trying with that, thanks
[12:59] <cd8l> Hello i want to install ubuntu on my tablette
[12:59] <Kaleo> Mirv: yep
[12:59] <ogra_> diwic, well, if i manually start it to make a call everything but audio works
[12:59] <tsdgeos> cd8l: have you checked it is a supported model?
[13:00] <ogra_> diwic, i havent tried phablet10 yet ... sorry, doing now
[13:00] <cd8l> Non c'est jsutement un modèle chinois
[13:00] <cd8l> I'm looking https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
[13:00] <ogra_> cyphermox, the cpu hog has always been there
[13:00] <rsalveti> cyphermox: broken as not working with the same functionality as before :-)
[13:00] <ogra_> flash away ...
[13:01] <tsdgeos> cd8l: i guess everyone will be happier if you try to use english isntead of french
[13:02] <diwic> ogra_, cool
[13:02] <ogra_> jcollado, seems calculator and weather did hit ueventd again
[13:03] <ogra_> even in the retired tests
[13:03] <cd8l> Oki @TSDgeos i have tablet i want to install ubuntu on so my tablet don't exsit in the listing
[13:03] <tsdgeos> cd8l: which listing? https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images ?
[13:03] <rsalveti> ogra_: should hopefully have some news on that topic later today :-)
[13:04] <ogra_> rsalveti, yay
[13:04] <cd8l> Yes https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
[13:04] <rsalveti> need to sort out the android package as well
[13:04] <rsalveti> xnox: are you fully back as well?
[13:04] <tsdgeos> cd8l: that is the wrong list
[13:04] <ogra_> was he ever gone ?
[13:04] <cd8l> Give me good list
[13:04] <tsdgeos> cd8l: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[13:04] <rsalveti> ogra_: well, there was debconf last week afaik
[13:05] <Stskeeps>  /g aard
[13:05] <Stskeeps> (ignore me..)
[13:05]  * ogra_ ignores Stskeeps 
[13:05] <ogra_> rsalveti, i know ... i thougth xnox wasnt there
[13:05] <dholbach> ralsina, do we have bugs for those?
[13:06] <ralsina> dholbach: it's a review problem on one hand
[13:06] <dholbach> in which sense?
[13:06] <ralsina> dholbach: OTOH I am not sure... alecu? ^
[13:07] <cd8l> @tsdgeos thx i'm looking
[13:07] <ralsina> dholbach: it's probably a colin thing and/or a sdk thing
[13:07] <dholbach> ralsina, it'd be good  if there was some kind of bug report for it, where we can track it
[13:07] <dholbach> or can point people to :)
[13:08] <alecu> dholbach: the problem with mhall119's app seem to be in the manifest inside the click package
[13:09] <dholbach> alecu, ah ok, so an app with a fixed manifest would work?
[13:09] <ralsina> dholbach: yes, the apps by sergiusens work
[13:09] <alecu> dholbach: I think yes
[13:09] <dpm> fginther, if you're around, any ideas why this MR is failing? The Jenkins URL for the logs does not seem to exist -> https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calculator-app/1203090/+merge/179431
[13:09] <sergiusens> dholbach: alecu it's an sdk issue, the sdk creates an old manifest
[13:09] <ogra_> diwic, soo ... recieving calls still doesnt work, making calls at least gets me a speaker phone mow
[13:09] <ogra_> *now
[13:09] <alecu> ralsina, dholbach: the thing is that the apps packaged by sergiusens are not in the click index yet
[13:10] <ralsina> alecu: indeed
[13:10] <diwic> ogra_, so calling out works, and you have audio in both directions ?
[13:10] <sergiusens> alecu: should they?
[13:10] <alecu> ralsina, dholbach: beuno proposed to create the official ubuntu account and to upload those apps
[13:10] <ogra_> diwic, in fact i have a squeeking feedback between my right and left hand :)
[13:11] <ogra_> diwic, none of the mute buttons in the phone app work
[13:11] <alecu> sergiusens: if we want people to install them, and to update them, then yes: we want them on the click index
[13:11] <sergiusens> alecu: do we have a way to automate uploads? if there's an api I can use from jenkins, I'll do that, well, let's discuss during the meeting
[13:11] <beuno> I did, I have not decided what email address that should go to yet, or how I'd get access to that address
[13:11] <ralsina> alecu, sergiusens: sounds like a good idea... will also help us test updates :-)
[13:11] <dholbach> alecu, ok, let's try to get mhall119 to upload with a fixed manifest later on then and see if that works
[13:11] <beuno> sergiusens, there is no api
[13:11] <beuno> to upload to the store
[13:11] <diwic> ogra_, right, but you only need audio working in one direction to get feedback
[13:11] <beuno> it's on the roadmap, but post 13.10
[13:11] <Kaleo> Mirv: hey
[13:11] <dholbach> alecu, ralsina, beuno: in any case it was already GREAT to see that I could check the list of available apps and install - that's great already :)
[13:11] <Kaleo> Mirv: there is a new MR for the patch: https://codereview.qt-project.org/#patch,all,63440,1
[13:11] <Kaleo> Mirv: same patch but without the qdebug :)
[13:11] <ogra_> diwic, i could talk to myself ... seems to have all worked, but in speaker mode and only for making calls
[13:12] <sergiusens> ralsina: alecu: all those apps are supposed to be preinstalled, but I imagine we want a similar story to android where you can update apps without updating the whole OS
[13:12] <ralsina> sergiusens: exactly
[13:12] <alecu> sergiusens: right
[13:12] <ralsina> so, eventually we need to make that easy/easier
[13:12] <diwic> ogra_, so the speaker-mode thing will be working if you upgrade telepathy-ofono to the version that's currently building
[13:12] <ogra_> ok
[13:12] <diwic> ogra_, I haven't tested the mute buttons
[13:12] <xnox> ogra_:  rsalveti: i'm back at work this week. last week was busy at debconf.
[13:12] <sergiusens> beuno: is that planned? the api I mean
[13:12] <diwic> ogra_, i e, switching between earpiece and speaker for voice calls
[13:13] <ogra_> xnox, ah, i thought you didnt go
[13:13] <ogra_> diwic, right
[13:13] <beuno> sergiusens, yes, but november-decemberish
[13:13] <alecu> beuno: so, in the absence of apps that have the right manifest, I think we can manually upload a few of sergiusens' apps to the ubuntu account, to test the rest of the journey
[13:13] <rsalveti> xnox: cool, want to sort out the android package, to make sure it's using the orig tarball produced by http://phablet.ubuntu.com/export/
[13:13] <fginther> dpm, the jenkins server that holds the logs is currently down. I'm working on it
[13:13] <beuno> alecu, maybe. I've seen rumours that they are arch-dependant
[13:13] <beuno> if they are, I think that's a no-go?
[13:14] <sergiusens> beuno: only filemanager and terminal
[13:14] <sergiusens> all others aren't
[13:14] <dpm> thanks fginther
[13:14] <alecu> beuno: in any case we can remove them from the index afterwards, right?
[13:14] <beuno> right
[13:14] <beuno> well,it gets messy to add/remove
[13:15] <beuno> but if there are multiarch ones, we can upload those
[13:15] <beuno> I'll figure out the account today
[13:16] <slangasek> asac, ogra_: we discussed ueventd yesterday, but rsalveti said he would work on it only today
[13:16] <ogra_> and so he is i think :)
[13:16] <rsalveti> yup, on it
[13:16] <ogra_> so we go for a split solution ?
[13:17] <ogra_> part in ueventd itself and the upstart bridge ?
[13:17] <rsalveti> well, I'm checking how to stop ueventd now after the container is fully up
[13:17] <rsalveti> and then we'll work syncing with upstart once the new release is in
[13:17] <ogra_> how do you knwo it is fully up ?
[13:18] <rsalveti> that's what I'm trying to figure out now :-)
[13:18] <ogra_> heh
[13:18] <ogra_> good luck
[13:18] <ogra_> i still find it curious that the problem only shows on mako
[13:21] <rsalveti> yeah, I could reproduce it easily yesterday when testing mir
[13:24] <ogra_> awe, "Aug 21 13:06:43 ubuntu-phablet ofonod[1118]: Requested file structure differs from SIM: 6fb7"
[13:24] <ogra_> should i be worried ?
[13:25] <awe> ogra_, any other symptoms?
[13:26] <ogra_> awe, well, as described in the other channel ... phone app doesnt come up on incoming calls, outgoing works
[13:26] <awe> I've seen that error quite often, but haven't spent any time investigating
[13:26] <ogra_> k
[13:26] <ogra_> so it shouldnt affect the above
[13:26] <awe> ogra_, definitely has nothing to do with that
[13:26] <ogra_> yeah
[13:29] <ogra_> diwic, bah, in second try after another reboot i  dont have the speakerphone on outgoing calls anymore
[13:30] <diwic> ogra_, could you be more specific?
[13:30] <ogra_> diwic, i rebooted and made an outgoing call... no audio at all in the app
[13:30] <diwic> ogra_, hrm, okay
[13:30] <ogra_> while before there was speaker phone mode
[13:30] <ogra_> (before the reboot)
[13:31] <ogra_> i didnt make any changes between the two calls ... apart from rebooting
[13:31] <diwic> ogra_, telepathy-ofono has finished building, can you try updating?
[13:31] <ogra_> yep, doing
[13:31] <diwic> it should be 20130821 +pulseaudio1
[13:33] <didrocks> gema_: I need to continue on system settings for the update panel, can't join the hangout
[13:37] <ogra_> diwic, no go
[13:38] <ogra_> no audio at all all over
[13:38] <ogra_> and phone app still doesnt come up on incoming
[13:39] <diwic> ogra_, okay. Can you verify by "pactl list cards" if the profile switches so that it is on "Voice Call" when you're on a call and "HiFi" when you're not?
[13:39] <ogra_> awe, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6010295/ anything obvious in my radio log ?
[13:40] <diwic> ogra_, and also with "pactl list sinks" if the port changes between "Speaker" and "Earpiece" ?
[13:41] <ogra_> diwic, hmmm
[13:41] <ogra_> diwic, there seems to be no such command anymore
[13:41] <diwic> ogra_, sudo apt-get install pulseaudio-utils ?
[13:41] <diwic> ogra_, I didn't add it to the image by default, so if you reflashe
[13:41] <diwic> d
[13:41] <ogra_> well, yes, but wasnt it there yesterday ?
[13:41] <ogra_> ah
[13:42] <ogra_> indeed i did
[13:42] <ogra_> haha
[13:42]  * ogra_ just got an SMS from his mailbox 
[13:42] <ogra_> so at least that works ...
[13:42] <awe> ogra_, are you trying to diagnose why the phone-app doesn't launch?
[13:43] <ogra_> awe, yeah
[13:43] <awe> do you get a ringtone?
[13:43] <awe> ogra_, the radio log is waay too low level
[13:44] <awe> unless you suspect you're not getting an incoming call from rild
[13:44] <ogra_> well, syslog doesnt have anything special for ofono
[13:44] <awe> do verify message traffic back & forth
[13:44] <ogra_> at least it doesnt look like it does
[13:44] <awe> it's best to run ofonod in the foreground
[13:44] <awe> and use OFONO_RIL_TRACE=y ofonod ...
[13:44] <awe> in the foreground
[13:44] <awe> ( don't forget the -n )
[13:45] <ogra_> diwic, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6010326/
[13:45] <ogra_> awe, will do
[13:45] <ogra_> diwic, seems its all suspended
[13:45] <awe> ogra_, you can also just use -d */voicecall.c, and look for voicecall debug messages
[13:46] <ogra_> ok
[13:46] <awe> especially "Answering a current call"
[13:46] <diwic> ogra_, that looks like the correct state if you're *not* on a call.
[13:46] <ogra_> yes
[13:48] <ogra_> hmm
[13:48] <ogra_> and now i cant make outgoing calls anumore
[13:51] <ogra_> diwic, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6010343/
[13:51] <ogra_> so it seems to switch profiles just fine
[13:52] <diwic> ogra_, hmm, but it does not have any port
[13:52] <ogra_> (not that i get *any* audio atm ... or any working call)
[13:53] <diwic> ogra_, "Active Port: [Out] Speaker" is missing from the voice call paste
[13:53] <diwic> (or earpiece)
[13:54] <barry> didrocks: hi
[13:54] <didrocks> barry: hey!
[13:54] <didrocks> how are you?
[13:55] <barry> didrocks: good!  how about you? :)
[13:56] <mhall119> seb128: jasoncwarner__: what's the progress on getting UDS sessions for the client track?
[13:56] <seb128> mhall119, no idea, I'm swamped with settings work, no time for vUDS yet
[13:56] <didrocks> barry: was firedrill today, but finally back on the system update
[13:57] <didrocks> barry: so, basically, without the mock, I think I wired up anything I can
[13:57] <didrocks> barry: but it's wayyyy longer without it
[13:57] <mhall119> seb128: UDS is next week
[13:57] <didrocks> do you think you will have it soon?
[13:58] <seb128> mhall119, yeah, doesn't change the fact that I'm crazy busy
[13:58] <ogra_> like everyone
[13:58] <ogra_> that "mid cycle" UDS ide should really be re-toucght
[13:58] <mhall119> sil2100: jasoncwarner__: how about you guys, will you have time to add Client sessions?
[13:59] <ogra_> *idea
[13:59] <barry> didrocks: i have meetings this morning, but then i'm totally focused on the dbus+mocks.  i hope to have something by my eod
[13:59] <mhall119> ogra_: it's a good time to re-evaluate the last UDS's work items while there's still some time to adjust before release
[14:00] <didrocks> barry: ok, I'm afraid we won't have the ui ready by tomorrow (rock solid)
[14:00] <ogra_> mhall119, thats something every team should do every now and then without needing a vUDS
[14:00] <didrocks> barry: do you want that we refine some test cases?
[14:00] <didrocks> barry: and btw, on your branch: you didn't rename Reboot() as ApplyUpdate() (noticed you did other signal name change)
[14:00] <barry> didrocks: yes,  maybe add use cases to the wiki page?
[14:01] <ogra_> mhall119, we managed that for years in weekly team meetings, no idea why we need a whole UDS for it, it just stalls development for a week
[14:01] <didrocks> barry: ok, will do it
[14:01] <barry> didrocks: TDD!  it'll get renamed as i adapt the tests
[14:01] <didrocks> great!
[14:01] <barry> it's always harder to modify existing tests than write new ones ;)
[14:02] <cyphermox> ChickenCutlass: you mentioned bluetooth qt API ?
[14:02] <ChickenCutlass> cyphermox, yeah.  pmcgowan  was playing around with it a few days ago.
[14:02] <cyphermox> oh, right
[14:03] <ogra_> mhall119, and given that we are 8 months away from a  releasable phone image but have to deliver it in 3, stopping for a week seems like a not well throught through thing
[14:03] <cyphermox> pmcgowan: do you know where I can get the code / which package I need?
[14:03] <awe> ChickenCutlass, cyphermox, it's pretty out of date...has a min requirement of Bluez3
[14:03] <awe> cyphermox, I *think* it's builtin
[14:03] <awe> but pmcgowan would know for sure
[14:03] <awe> the bt stuff is one of the packages that's not officially supported in qt5.1
[14:04] <ChickenCutlass> awe, a lot of modules are not officially supported in 5.1
[14:04] <ChickenCutlass> awe, we still use them anyway
[14:04] <awe> it looks like it was renamed/moved from QtBluetooth to QtConnectivity
[14:04] <awe> ChickenCutlass, that doesn't mean they're of any use.  ;)-
[14:05] <awe> ChickenCutlass, frankly there's a lot of overlap with the functions of gnome-bluetooth
[14:05] <awe> and zero support for BLE as far as I can tell...
[14:05] <diwic> ogra_, so, I've pushed a new telepathy-ofono to the ppa that hopefully will not switch to voice call until you actually pick up the call.
[14:06] <ogra_> diwic, that means never on my side currently
[14:06] <ogra_> (since i cant pick up from a non existing phone app)
[14:07] <diwic> ogra_, it just seems like you run into non-pulseaudio related issues here
[14:07] <diwic> ogra_, like "non existing phone app", eh?
[14:07] <ogra_> diwic, well, it makes moving forward with the testing extremely hard
[14:07] <diwic> ogra_, maybe you can launch phone-app from the terminal instead?
[14:08] <ogra_> well, i tried launching it when a call comes in, but it doesnt seem to interact with  the phone stack at all
[14:08] <awe> cyphermox, http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org/qt-mobility/qtconnectivity.html
[14:09] <awe> cyphermox, and: https://github.com/qtproject/qtconnectivity
[14:09] <diwic> ogra_, maybe we can discuss how to move forward on the standup
[14:09] <ogra_> davmor2, popey, can i has a test of 20130821 ?  from the automated tests it looks good
[14:09] <ogra_> diwic, yeah
[14:10] <ogra_> diwic, do you use the pulse armhf.zip with the cdimage mako.zip ?  or do you use any special android layer for your setup ?
[14:10] <davmor2> ogra_: already installed it just grabbing contacts
[14:11] <ogra_> davmor2, great, so it looks ok to you ?
[14:11] <diwic> ogra_, that's correct, the --pending cdimage-touch and the pulse armhf.zip
[14:11] <ogra_> ok
[14:11] <ogra_> then i use the same
[14:11] <davmor2> cyphermox: what version of nm has your fix I still have no 3g
[14:12] <popey> ogra_: sure thing
[14:12] <diwic> ogra_, let's just try one more thing. Skip the phone app if it's not working, and do this.
[14:12] <awe> davmor2, 0.9.8.0-0ubuntu17
[14:12] <diwic> ogra_, pulseaudio -k
[14:12] <ogra_> popey, thx
[14:12] <awe> it's in the bug
[14:12] <popey> ogra_: already have it on my device, done most of the testing
[14:12] <davmor2> awe: thanks dude
[14:12] <diwic> ogra_, pulseaudio -vvvv 2>&1 | tee /tmp/pulse.log
[14:12] <awe> davmor2, np
[14:12] <diwic> ogra_, pactl set-card-profile 0 HiFi
[14:12] <diwic> ogra_, pactl set-card-profile 0 "Voice Call"
[14:12] <diwic> ogra_, pactl set-card-profile 0 HiFi
[14:13] <diwic> ogra_, then press ctrl-c in the pulseaudio window
[14:13] <diwic> ogra_, and send /tmp/pulse.log to me
[14:13] <cyphermox> davmor2: 0.9.8.0-0ubuntu17
[14:13] <ogra_> diwic, woah
[14:13] <ogra_> diwic, "pulseaudio -vvvv 2>&1 | tee /tmp/pulse.log" rebooted the phone
[14:13] <diwic> ogra_, eeh
[14:13] <diwic> ogra_, that's ...interesting
[14:14] <ogra_> diwic, well, we have that boot crash from time to time with maguro ... where it explodes in flames when it loads the soundcard driver
[14:14] <ogra_> i suspect that was related
[14:14] <mfisch> mhr3_: good morning and thanks for idea on an override to test, none of the other ones I know work
[14:14] <diwic> ogra_, what exactly does "explodes in flames" mean?
[14:15] <ogra_> diwic, the phone reboots before even getting to the initrd
[14:15] <diwic> ogra_, repeatedly or just once?
[14:15] <ogra_> exactly at the point where it inits the sound driver
[14:15] <ogra_> once
[14:15] <davmor2> cyphermox, awe: I'm assuming the never is a bad thing right ? /234308342877614/context1 344e5cdc-0bbf-7588-5cc6-61138f7c6b94   gsm               never
[14:15] <ogra_> it only happens very rarely
[14:15] <cyphermox> davmor2: no, it's not a bad thing
[14:16] <cyphermox> that just means the connection was never activated before
[14:16] <cyphermox> but at least it's there -- previously it wouldn't have been, AFAIK
[14:16] <awe> cyphermox, well that's the connection he's trying to activate
[14:16] <davmor2> cyphermox: yeap but I'm trying to use it
[14:16] <awe> ;D
[14:16] <awe> davmor2, let's back up a sec...
[14:16] <cyphermox> then we're talking about a different bug than the provisioning...
[14:17] <awe> do you have the new NM installed on your phone?
[14:17] <awe> and I assume maguro?
[14:17] <davmor2> awe: that's the next thing
[14:17] <awe> davmor2, we need a little more context please
[14:19] <davmor2> awe:  installed is  0.9.8.0-0ubuntu17    I have done a phablet-flash cdimage-touch --pending --wipe and tried to connect with 3g without enabling anything else
[14:19] <ogra_> diwic, you got mail
[14:19] <diwic> ogra_, thanks, analyzing now
[14:20] <awe> davmor2, maguro?
[14:20] <davmor2> awe: Yeap sorry
[14:20] <awe> k
[14:20] <awe> so.... what does 'list-contexts' tell you?
[14:21] <awe> if you see you're context with the 'Settings' properties showing IP, route, ...
[14:21] <awe> then NM activated the context
[14:22] <davmor2> awe: one second, just looking into an issue with an app install for my actual job :D back in a bit
[14:22] <awe> also, as we have a bug for this, it'd be helpful to add your syslog and all the details to a new comment, so we can dig a bit deeper
[14:24] <mhall119> ogra_: having a UDS lets us do the same thing we did within out teams out in the public
[14:25] <sil2100> mhall119: will coordinate with didrocks later an try to deal with this ;)
[14:25] <mhall119> thank you sil2100
[14:26] <didrocks> mhall119: will probably be on Friday, there are deliverables beforehand
[14:26] <didrocks> and production to keep going
[14:28] <ogra_> mhall119, it was always public
[14:28] <mhall119> didrocks: sil2100: understood, the sooner the better though, so people can plan their schedules around it next week
[14:28] <didrocks> mhall119: right, doing as much as we can…
[14:28] <mhall119> I know :)
[14:28] <ogra_> mhall119, it just didnt cost us a week of really needed developer time
[14:28] <didrocks> with the resources and constraints people put on us
[14:28] <diwic> ogra_, hmm, I think I need to adjust the VoiceCall UCM file to make sure that file and the audio HAL does not step on each other's toes
[14:29] <davmor2> mhall119: which 3 core apps are click, is it the 3 that don't have icons?
[14:29] <diwic> ogra_, however getting it right can be slightly tricky without knowing the hardware
[14:30] <mhall119> davmor2: dropping-letters, sudoku and stock-ticker
[14:30] <ogra_> diwic, well, it is a pandaboard in a case ... except not ...
[14:30] <ogra_> :)
[14:31] <davmor2> mhall119: stock ticker, sudoku and Unity ...uncher are the 3 I see with no icons
[14:31] <davmor2> mhall119: dropping letters does though
[14:32] <mhall119> odd, wonder why dropping-letters is different
[14:36] <ogra_> jcollado, seems weather app needs another poke
[14:37] <ogra_> (it fell over again)
[14:37] <davmor2> awe: right I'm back with you. Sorry about work getting in the way then :)
[14:37] <awe> davmor2, np
[14:37] <awe> fyi, I reproduced it myself
[14:37] <awe> cyphermox, ^^
[14:37] <awe> I'll update the bug with my details
[14:37] <cyphermox> this is a different bug
[14:38] <awe> cyphermox, race between ofono provision plugin & NM
[14:38] <cyphermox> unless you can provably say that ofono's provisioning did run and NM didn't pick up the connection, but having a connection in nm con shows the provisioning got picked up
[14:38] <cyphermox> awe: this is a different bug
[14:38] <awe> looks like *exactly* the problem you were trying to fix
[14:38] <cyphermox> no
[14:38] <awe> cyphermox, I'm not going to argue with you over IRC about this
[14:38] <awe> I will grab the logs and add the the bug
[14:39] <cyphermox> you guys were asking about NM not picking up new contexts from ofono -- if you see a connection in nmcli con, then it's a different bug
[14:39] <diwic> ogra_, I adjusted it and sent an email to you, let's see if this one works better
[14:39] <ogra_> ok
[14:39] <jcollado> ogra_: That one failed three times in a row, I don't think it's wort running it again. What do you think psivaa?
[14:40] <awe> cyphermox, the bug title says "Mobile data not always activated properly"
[14:40] <ogra_> jcollado, it fiailed all three times on ueventd
[14:40] <awe> again, let's look at the details, and if it makes sense to open a new bug, so be it
[14:40] <cyphermox> yet the description was different
[14:40] <cyphermox> please do file a separate bug
[14:40] <awe> yea...not so quick
[14:40] <popey> ogra_: gsm still doesn't work in 20130821
[14:40] <ogra_> jcollado, so getting one test without ueventd blocking the whole system would be good
[14:40] <awe> again, let's figure what's not working first
[14:41] <awe> then shoot later
[14:41] <davmor2> cyphermox:  popey hit by it too
[14:41] <ogra_> popey, did it work in 18 or 19 (or whatever you used before)
[14:41] <awe> I just reproduced it
[14:41] <cyphermox> above all, I'll need full debug logs
[14:41] <popey> ogra_: yes, after a nm restart
[14:41] <awe> you didn't last time
[14:41] <awe> ;)
[14:41] <ogra_> popey, ah, so no regression, fine then
[14:41] <popey> OSK still glitchy on rotate too
[14:42] <ogra_> right, i'm only intrested in pbvious regressions
[14:42] <ogra_> else i'll happily release
[14:42] <popey> ok
[14:42] <ogra_> i/d just like to see that weather app tests at least run once
[14:43] <psivaa> jcollado: on mako as you are doing it's worth rerunning. sorry did not see that
[14:43] <ogra_> then we should eb good
[14:43] <davmor2> ogra_: rotate laggy and using loads of cpu, no gsm, 3 icon missing from apps, and I haven't tried much else yet
[14:43] <ogra_> davmor2, anything an obvious regression twowards the last image ?
[14:43] <popey> none of those are regressions though
[14:43] <jcollado> ogra_, psivaa: Ok, one more time.
[14:44] <davmor2> ogra_: OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't turn on loud speaker I can still hear the squeal
[14:45] <ogra_> davmor2, well, i have no sound at all here ... playing with the pulse image since two days
[14:45] <davmor2> ogra_: creates a nice feedback loop that just gets louder
[14:46] <ogra_> but calling the phone in my right hand from the one in my left hand gets funnily loud if both are on speaker
[14:48] <davmor2> ogra_: this was mobile to landline enable loudspeaker instant feedback
[14:48] <josesitos> Is this an os for iPod touch
[14:48] <ogra_> yep, i had the same here ... the one time audio wroked
[14:48] <ogra_> josesitos, no
[14:48] <popey> oooh loudspeaker works now
[14:48] <popey> yay
[14:49] <ogra_> popey, well, FSVO works :P
[14:49] <popey> hmm, screensaver kicks in if you hold it to your ear
[14:49] <popey> s/screensaver/lock screen/
[14:49] <davmor2> popey: known issue
[14:49] <popey> k
[14:50] <ogra_> thats a good thing though
[14:50] <popey> no
[14:50] <popey> because i cant get back to the phone app
[14:50] <ogra_> or would you want your ear to end the call by accident ?
[14:50] <popey> i would want the phone app to be the first thing i see when i take it away from my ear
[14:50] <josesitos> Hi
[14:50] <popey> not the welcome screen
[14:50] <ogra_> ah, well, not getting back to it on unlock is a bug
[14:50] <popey> now my phone is stuck on a call and i cant unlock to end it
[14:51] <popey> power button does nothing
[14:51] <davmor2> ogra_: no the proximity works so blanks the screen,  but when you take it away from your ear it should be back to the phone app not the lock screen
[14:51] <ogra_> uuh, hope you have a flatrate then ...
[14:51] <annerajb> ogra_, which file stats surfaceflinger in the rootfs?
[14:51]  * popey adb shells in and kills the phone app
[14:51] <ogra_> annerajb, init.rc
[14:51]  * popey reboots to make sure
[14:52] <annerajb> ogra_, that's on /init.rc right?
[14:52] <josesitos> Is this system for my iPod
[14:52] <ogra_> thats inside the container
[14:52] <ogra_> josesitos, no
[14:52] <josesitos> Can fit
[14:52] <w-flo> josesitos, only special ubuntu devices like the ubuntu edge and some android devices are supported
[14:53] <annerajb> ogra_, where is the path to the container ??
[14:53] <popey> bah, phone dead
[14:53] <ogra_> /var/lib/lxc/android
[14:53] <davmor2> and on reboot popey is greeted by a really import text message
[14:53] <popey> red light of doom
[14:54] <ogra_> annerajb, copy rootfs/init.rc to overlays/ there edit it and reboot ... the container will use whats in the overlay file
[14:54] <josesitos> Ok thanks
[14:54] <davmor2> popey: man that'll teach me to text you :)
[14:56] <mfisch> ogra_: can you tell me how your h/w specific tarball is built? we're going to use a similar mechanism for the customization tarball
[14:56] <mfisch> fginther: ^^^
[14:57] <Blal> Hey, sorry if it's a stupid question, but is there a way to set APNs in Touch yet?
[14:57] <Blal> or is mobile data not even ready
[14:57] <Blal> I saw the switch so
[14:57] <ogra_> mfisch, it comes from the android source package
[14:57] <ogra_> mfisch, the android binary package has alll imgs and zips an android build produces
[14:58] <annerajb> josesitos, i started  looking into it..
[14:58] <mfisch> ogra_: so you just copy that over to cdimage?
[14:58] <sergiusens> Blal: yes, but from the cli
[14:58] <Blal> Is there a guide? Google just returns forums where peopel are saying "3g not ready"
[14:58] <Blal> I guess I'm just playing around so it doesn't matter too much
[14:58] <sergiusens> Blal: that is, if it is not autodetected from the mobile broadband provider info database
[14:58] <annerajb> josesitos, to start a open boot loader is needed to replace the apple bootloader and development of that stopped last year. additionally they only had it vaguely working on ipad 2g and old ipods since new devices required to reverse engineer and create a open bootloader.
[14:59] <Blal> Well, it's because
[14:59] <annerajb> josesitos, if it where to be started today it could be done in around 4 years...
[14:59] <Blal> I'm on GiffGaff in the UK, which is based on another netowkr (O2) but has a different APN
[14:59] <Blal> so I always have to set it manually
[14:59] <ogra_> diwic, YAY !
[15:00] <sergiusens> Blal: run /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-contexts
[15:00] <sergiusens> Blal: to see how it's setup
[15:00] <ogra_> diwic, outgoing calll works, speakerphone switch as well as mute workj too
[15:00] <ogra_> just incomong doesnt
[15:00] <diwic> ogra_, oh! progress!
[15:00] <sergiusens> Blal: and play with /usr/share/ofono/scripts/set-context-property to change any of those
[15:00] <Blal> I'm guessing this is done over adb? Thanks for the help
[15:00] <diwic> ogra_, now, never reboot your phone
[15:00]  * ogra_ relocates for meeting
[15:00] <ogra_> haha, yeah
[15:00] <diwic> ogra_, because that caused problems last time ;-)
[15:02] <annerajb> ogra_, if i dont have a /data/ubuntu/rootfs/init.rc should that be included inside the saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip?
[15:02] <annerajb> i assume my image is broken?
[15:03] <ogra_> annerajb, /data/ubuntu/rootfs ???
[15:03] <ogra_> where would such a dir come from ?
[15:04] <annerajb> i am on recovery so that's how it moutns /data
[15:04] <annerajb> oops sorry
[15:04] <annerajb> ogra_, /data/ubuntu/init.rc
[15:06] <pmcgowan> awe, cyphermox the QtConnectivity package provides the QtBluetooth module
[15:06] <cyphermox> thanks
[15:06] <bfiller> didrocks: howdy! I just sent you email about a bunch of new telephony related packages that we need to get landed. more work for your team :)
[15:07] <bfiller> didrocks: let me know if you have any questions about it
[15:07] <awe> pmcgowan, ack
[15:08] <didrocks> bfiller: hey!
[15:08] <didrocks> bfiller: so, from the email, there are 4 packages to put under dailies
[15:08] <didrocks> and 1 just a one time sponsor?
[15:08] <didrocks> (as we are not upstream for it)
[15:08] <didrocks> am I right?
[15:08] <bfiller> didrocks: that is correct
[15:09] <didrocks> bfiller: ok, all dependencies are in distro (or in this set)?
[15:09] <bfiller> didrocks: yes I believe so
[15:10] <didrocks> bfiller: will get back to you, will dispatch that tomorrow morning and we will try to put as much as possible before EOW
[15:10] <bfiller> didrocks: sounds great, thank you
[15:10] <didrocks> (we already have 3 other components to NEW, so sitting in the queue) ;)
[15:10] <didrocks> yw!
[15:10] <ogra_> asac, 0821 looks fine now (thanks jcollado for giving back the weather again) ... i'll release it after the meeting
[15:11] <asac> ogra_: looks good indeed
[15:11] <asac> better than ever again, right? :)
[15:12] <asac> thanks for pushing
[15:12]  * asac wants to grab latest
[15:13] <asac> plars: did we hear anything about the firewall ticket for our weather app testing?
[15:14] <mhall119> seb128: Kaleo: are there any docs for using gsettings within a QML app?
[15:14] <seb128> mhall119, not that I know of
[15:15] <mhall119> Kaleo: didn't this get added to the MainView or something?
[15:19] <sergiusens> jdstrand: going back to debs for phone-app and such, will those also run unconfined or should we think about confinement as well
[15:20] <mhall119> where is bzoltan today?
[15:20] <plars> asac: nothing for certain, they just said they intend to work on it this week
[15:20] <didrocks> barry: FYI, I can't debug without the mock, QtDbus doesn't listen to the signal I sent by hand apparently (even if I see them on dbus-monitor)
[15:20] <jdstrand> sergiusens: for now the phone-app should use unconfined I think because it needs access to ofono/telepathy that won't be available as policy groups
[15:20] <jdstrand> sergiusens: since it is packaged as a deb, it also allows for specialized confinement if we decide to do that
[15:21] <barry> didrocks: ack
[15:21] <plars> asac: it will need some adjustment on our side to switch to the new one, and one test will need adjusting since it won't be able to access the lab network after we switch over
[15:21] <sergiusens> jdstrand: ok, this is not an urgent thing we need to tackle, just want to checklist it
[15:23] <tsdgeos> ricmm: ping
[15:27] <lool> sergiusens: stgraber tells me that as soon as we make /opt/click.u.c read-writable, it wont get updates from system image updates
[15:27] <asac> plars: ok. sounds like we know what to do once they deliver
[15:28] <plars> asac: yes
[15:28] <annerajb> ogra_,  i dont seen to find a init.rc not sure if my rootfs is messed up or if it's dynamically copied from /system or something like that
[15:28] <lool> sergiusens: it seems it would be a good idea to switch ASAP to the mechanism we discussed: clicks in e.g. /usr/share/clicks-to-load-on-boot and upstart job to check + install them on boot
[15:28] <ogra_> annerajb, after boot with a started container you should find it in /var/lib/lxc/android
[15:29] <annerajb> ogra_, i cannot access my device after boot so where does it reside before boot?
[15:29] <ogra_> it isnt populated if the container isnt running
[15:29] <ogra_> inside /boot/android-ramdisk.img
[15:29] <stgraber> lool: well, it's been marked writable a couple weeks ago by mfisch, so I won't make it any worse
[15:29] <stgraber> lool: I'm just changing /opt to /opt/click.ubuntu.com, but the effect is already there today
[15:30] <npm> Todays update to ubuntu-sdk gave errors: "ubuntu-sdk : Depends: qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu but it is not going to be installed // Depends: qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu-cordova but it is not going to be installed" ... any suggested workarounds?
[15:30] <annerajb> ogra_, all right ill look into that since when my device boots i get no adb. but the serial shows it started surfaceflinger drm pvrdsd among many other processes
[15:30] <mfisch> lool: stgraber: there's a bug in click that is still preventing it from working when /opt is r/wable
[15:30] <mfisch> you may need to chown it still
[15:30] <ogra_> annerajb, well, the logs should have something about adb not starting
[15:30] <lool> stgraber: right, the point is that IIUC we're not getting updates to anything under that path
[15:31] <lool> mfisch: oh wow
[15:31] <annerajb> ogra_, which logs?? i coudnt find any logs after restarting the device and mouting /data on recovery
[15:31] <lool> mfisch: that's bad
[15:31] <lool> mfisch: do you have details
[15:31] <annerajb> ogra_, and the logs i foudn werent that meaningful
[15:31] <ogra_> annerajb, well, there should be stuff in /var/log
[15:31] <mfisch> lool: yeah, I got lost in the code that was trying to determine permissions. Let me forward it to you.
[15:31] <annerajb> ogra_, http://pastebin.com/qmsfPnaA that's a cat * of /var/log/upstart
[15:31] <sergiusens> lool: ack. This is going to be intense
[15:31] <ogra_> upstart definitely logs in 7var/log7upstart
[15:31] <annerajb> i deleted all the other logs and they never getting written
[15:32] <npm> Is this the wrong channel to discuss the ubuntu-sdk?
[15:32] <annerajb> ogra_, yeah that paste bin has the only logs from upstart
[15:32] <ogra_> annerajb, syslog ? dmesg ? kerne.log ?
[15:32] <mfisch> lool: I sent it to cj, but I think he's still out
[15:32] <ogra_> (one level higher indeed)
[15:33] <lool> mfisch: until next week yes
[15:33] <lool> mfisch: we need to fix this this week though
[15:33] <lool> sergiusens: thankfully I heard coffee is pretty good im south america  :-P
[15:33] <lool> *in
[15:34]  * lool is ashamed never to have visited though
[15:34] <annerajb> ogra_, just deleted everything on the /data/var/log/ folder to see if it get's recreated (afaik it dosnt)
[15:34] <ogra_> that would mean rsyslog never starts
[15:34] <mfisch> lool: I have this dconf stuff working end to end, looking at a different wallpaper now
[15:35] <sergiusens> lool: we were waiting for a UDS in the south :-)
[15:35] <Kaleo> mhall119: not that I know
[15:35] <annerajb> ogra_, where is rsyslog started? on the init.rc or by upstart?
[15:35] <mfisch> we can use the olympic park in brazil for UDS in 2015
[15:35] <lool> mfisch: \o/
[15:35] <ogra_> annerajb, upstart ...
[15:36] <ogra_> annerajb, the init.rc is not relevant at all for anything
[15:36] <ogra_> (apart from running the container later)
[15:36] <annerajb> hmmm
[15:36] <ogra_> something blocks your boot i'd say
[15:36] <annerajb> nothing shows up on the serial
[15:37] <annerajb> as in no error
[15:37] <ogra_> note that any logcat output ia also irrelevant
[15:37] <annerajb> well i cant get any logcat output because adb appears to have not started
[15:37] <ogra_> the only intresting bits are the actual logs
[15:37] <ogra_> in the ubuntu root
[15:37] <ogra_> right so find what hangs your boot process
[15:39] <annerajb> i am trying. need to figure out what is running when it hangs if it's upstart or something else.
[15:39] <ogra_> upstart is always running
[15:39] <ogra_> upstart is /sbin/init
[15:39] <annerajb> Oo
[15:39] <Databaseguy> does anyone know with Nexus7 (2013) codename razor will be supported?
[15:40] <ogra_> Databaseguy, only if someone from the community ports it
[15:40] <ogra_> there wont be an officially supported image
[15:40] <ogra_> but there were discussions of people intrested in a port on the mailing list
[15:40] <ogra_> probably talk to them
[15:40] <annerajb> all right need to know what upstart is doing.
[15:41] <Databaseguy> since hardware is pretty much the same, how do i disable the check if device is grouper
[15:41] <SquirrelCZECH> hi folks
[15:41] <annerajb> ogra_, i think i ask you this yesterday but there is a way to pipe the upstart output to serial console right?
[15:41] <sergiusens> lool: so 'save my data' and provision the clicks on boot are high value targets for Thursday?
[15:41] <SquirrelCZECH> ubuntu should work on these tablet-x86_64 out of the box I suppose?
[15:41] <_5m0k3> Are all popovers generating this error: Cannot connect QQuickShaderEffectSource:: to Item
[15:41] <ogra_> annerajb, there are kernel cdmline options for debugging upstart, yeah
[15:41] <SquirrelCZECH> (they usually sell them with windows 8 :-/)
[15:42] <ogra_> annerajb, http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Debugging
[15:42] <annerajb> ogra_, actually if i can make it more verbose on the existing logs on /var/log/upstart that be good enought to not require serial (probably)
[15:42] <annerajb> ok ill lookt into it
[15:42] <lool> sergiusens: correct
[15:42] <ogra_> lool, so that darn developer mode ...
[15:43] <lool> ogra_: Yeah
[15:43] <ogra_> lool, do we actually need it ... or couldnt we just provide a developer image
[15:43] <ogra_> after all you effectively trash your install by switching to dev mode
[15:43] <lool> ogra_: Yeah, we do need it right now; it's not a different image, it's more about fixing our current expectations
[15:43] <ogra_> people could as well just install a developer image from the beginning
[15:44] <lool> right now we expet to be able to apt-get stuff, but that conflicts with the idea that the OS is updated as a whole
[15:44] <sergiusens> lool: we need to change the name asap
[15:44] <ogra_> which essentially could just be the zip as is
[15:44] <sergiusens> lool: touch /userdata/.image_developer
[15:44] <lool> ogra_: it's the same image, it's just that you're losing OS updates if you switch to developer mode
[15:44] <lool> ogra_: you have to apt-get update forever
[15:44] <ogra_> lool, right
[15:44] <lool> which is not what we'd like to test
[15:44] <lool> also our tools should be ready for production images
[15:44] <lool> stgraber: ^ touch /userdata/.image_developer
[15:44] <mhall119> oSoMoN: did we change the webbrowser-app's UA?
[15:44] <mhall119> again?
[15:45] <lool> sergiusens: Very good point
[15:45] <lool> sergiusens: Much clearer in this way
[15:45] <ogra_> lool, so instead of leaving the user with a loop mounted chaos that can do apt-get i think just giving the user the cdimage zip instead would be a good move
[15:45] <ogra_> and would save us from having to care about developer mode
[15:45] <lool> doanac`: heyho
[15:45] <lool> doanac`: stgraber is working on daily-proposed channel for upgrade testing
[15:45] <stgraber> lool: .developer_mode (unless someone changed it lately)
[15:45] <lool> doanac`: He wonders whether having just the last known good daily image + latest image to test and delta to get there is enough
[15:46] <oSoMoN> mhall119: what do you mean by "again"? It did change indeed, but that’s the first time since we decided to use the iphone’s UA as a temporary solution for the MWC demos back in February
[15:46] <lool> stgraber: the point sergiusens is making IIUC it to rename it to indicate that app developers dont need this, only people working on the image itself
[15:46] <doanac`> lool that sounds like a nice test to me. however, gema and jcollado are really the owners of defining how/what will be tested.
[15:47] <lool> doanac`: ISTR that QA eventually wanted to test two deltas in a row
[15:47] <doanac`> you may want to send gema an email to clarify
[15:47] <oSoMoN> mhall119: btw there’s gonna be a UDS session on this topic next week, you can subscribe to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-1308-browser-user-agent if you’re interested
[15:47] <stgraber> lool: ah sure, I'm fine with that
[15:47] <oSoMoN> mhall119: if you are observing regressions, please file bugs
[15:47] <doanac`> lool: i think there will be a bit of a matrix of deltas we'll want to try
[15:47] <lool> doanac`: but that seems overzealous to me; limited added value with quite some added complexity
[15:47] <mhall119> oSoMoN: I saw, I scheduled that one in fact
[15:47] <oSoMoN> mhall119: ha, excellent, thanks!
[15:48] <mhall119> oSoMoN: let me dist-upgrade and see if it's still wonky
[15:48] <mhall119> facebook and twitter looked awful, and G+ refused to load
[15:48] <lool> doanac`: stgraber is doing the design of this right now; could you be specific in what combinations you'd want to test?
[15:48] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[15:49] <lool> doanac`: the logic to generate daily took a week of stgraber's time; I'd like to keep daily-proposed as simple as possible, but then we don't want to revisit this 10 times if we can get right from the first time
[15:49] <doanac`> lool: gema owns that decision. I'm just giving her the plumbing to support it.
[15:49] <rickspencer3> my phone seems to be stuck at "Deploying Ubuntu Touch...| after doing  phablet-flash cdimage-touch
[15:49] <lool> is gema gone for the day?
[15:49] <rickspencer3> lool, she is on holiday until Monday
[15:49] <rickspencer3> and also, my phone just rebooted ;)
[15:50] <lool> doanac`: could you make an educated guess in her absence?  :-)
[15:50] <lool> doanac`: I'm sure she'd follow your recommandation and/or plars' on this
[15:50] <doanac`> lool: i'd say we should test what you guys think makes sense
[15:50] <lool> doanac`: I say one delta upgrade and one full upgrade are covering 95% of what we care about
[15:50] <popey> rickspencer3: which device?
[15:50] <lool> stgraber: ^ do you concur?
[15:50] <rickspencer3> popey nexus 4
[15:50] <rickspencer3> and it didn't reboot
[15:50] <lool> rickspencer3: (thanks)
[15:51] <rickspencer3> it just turned off
[15:51] <popey> any other detail in the terminal?
[15:51] <popey> battery low?
[15:51] <popey> (mine did same earlier)
[15:51] <ogra_> yeah, once again
[15:51] <doanac`> lool: i concur.
[15:51] <doanac`> jcollado: ^^^^^
[15:51] <ogra_> sounds pretty much like battery
[15:51] <stgraber> lool: I think so, if something is awfully busted in the upgrader, it should show up with a single delta. If the upgrader runs fine, then we're assured that the result of 25 deltas == the final full image.
[15:52]  * jcollado reads the discussion
[15:52] <jhodapp> rsalveti, Laney just noticed that when we build/link the latest gst-plugins-bad, the eglglessink is complaining about missing the eglCreateImageKHR symbol. It should use a different libEGL.so on armhf vs. amd64, correct? If so, it's weird that it's missing this symbol for both archs
[15:52] <lool> doanac`, jcollado: Cool; seems we have consensus
[15:52] <lool> Worst case we can revisit
[15:52] <doanac`> exactly
[15:52] <lool> it's costly, but so is delaying this decision
[15:52]  * lool hugs stgraber 
[15:53] <lool> ogra_: I have a question
[15:53] <ogra_> lool, uh, dont scare me !
[15:53] <lool> ogra_: Can you think of a nice way we'd include SSH but not start it by default, yet have a way with r/o images to enable it?
[15:53] <ogra_> :)
[15:53] <ogra_> lool, ship an upstart .override
[15:53] <lool> (we dont want to start it to avoid slow downs/memory use/key generation)
[15:53] <lool> ogra_: how would we change it?
[15:53] <ogra_> we wouldnt
[15:54] <stgraber> lool: adb shell start ssh
[15:54] <ogra_> well, we would change the defaults of ssh
[15:54] <lool> so say we have /etc/init/openssh-server.override which disables openssh by default; how would we enable it?  just force start by hand?
[15:54] <lool> one use case is enabling SDK usage without an USB cable
[15:54] <ogra_> to a) listen to usb0 and b) only start on demand (and c) my little pet peeve, start on a specific socket)
[15:54] <lool> so that one can scp + run a newly developed click/qml app
[15:55] <lool> if I need to plug an USB cable to start SSH to work wirelessy, it kind of defeats working wirelessly
[15:55] <ogra_> hmm, then configs would have to be switchable
[15:55] <ogra_> so a little scripting in the override would be needed
[15:55] <lool> I guess we could have a s3cr3t menu which starts SSH from the settings
[15:55] <ogra_> yeah
[15:55] <lool> I'm sure everyone loves s3cr3t menus
[15:55] <stgraber> lool: why don't we just configure adb to listen to the network?
[15:55] <mhall119> oSoMoN: is there an easy way to see what UA the browser is using?
[15:55] <davmor2> cyphermox, awe_ : I just found something odd on a --wipe you get no connection in nmcli it's only after a reboot that it picks up a connection,  I've added all the info and full syslogs to the bug
[15:56] <ogra_> stgraber, yeah, thats what i proposed in my last mail
[15:56] <Databaseguy> Are there a specific time slot for tomorrow's porting clinic?
[15:56] <lool> stgraber: hmm true, I wonder why SDK team decided on SSH
[15:56] <ogra_> just fire up the rndis mode of the android gadget and use usb0
[15:56] <stgraber> because if they support adb already when over USB, it'd make sense to just use adb over tcp
[15:56] <ogra_> no
[15:56] <ogra_> please lets not rely so much on adb
[15:56] <oSoMoN> mhall119: http://whatsmyua.com/
[15:57] <ogra_> it cant stay as is, it is highly insecure
[15:57] <awe_> as if opening it up to the network is more secure?
[15:57] <lool> ogra_: why not?
[15:57] <awe_> ;)
[15:57] <ogra_> i think the ssh approach and using it over the usb cable is a good one
[15:57] <Databaseguy> ogra, why not adb?
[15:57] <awe_> I used to do adb over the net when first working on ufa
[15:57] <lool> ogra_: ah you're advocating replacing adb for USB cable and wifi with SSH
[15:57] <jcollado> lool, stgraber: How do channels relate to delta/full upgrades? My understanding is that the client decides what type of upgrade to do depending on the amount of data to download.
[15:57] <awe_> but if I recall, it was an either or
[15:58] <awe_> ( ie. usb or tcp; not both )
[15:58] <awe_> so it was possible to lock yourself out
[15:58] <lool> jcollado: correct; but we'd provide you with flags to force a delta or a full upgrade
[15:58] <awe_> ( fixable, but pita )
[15:58] <ogra_> lool, i advocate to have adb cut down as much as we can
[15:58] <ogra_> lool, and for sdk access have a more powerful sshd running
[15:58] <mhall119> oSoMoN: Mozilla/5.0 (Ubuntu; Mobile) WebKit/537.21
[15:58] <lool> jcollado: we want to have separate channels because the daily one will be used by all devs and the daily-proposed one will contain crack of the day before image testing
[15:59] <ogra_> that we ship a root mode for adb is a bad thing i would like to patch out completely
[15:59] <lool> ogra_: I didn't think of this enough, but it's an interesting discussion; I suspect there are other good reasons for adb, like using it from recovery ROM
[15:59] <stgraber> jcollado: a device is set on a specific channel. We currently only have one (daily) but we'll soon have more (daily-proposed for QA testing, stable for the stable release, ...)
[15:59] <ogra_> lool, i dont say we shoudl drop adb
[15:59] <lool> nothing we couldn't fix, just seems a larger disucssion
[15:59] <oSoMoN> mhall119: yeah, that’s correct
[16:00] <lool> ogra_: is this worth some vUDS brainstorming?
[16:00] <ogra_> lool, but make it locked down enough that the user cant do any harm
[16:00] <stgraber> we'll also be using channels to get different images to devices depending on oem/carrier customization
[16:00] <ogra_> lool, definitely
[16:00] <lool> ogra_: oh there are security features with adb I'm sure
[16:00] <lool> like the whole fingerprinting stuff
[16:00] <mhall119> oSoMoN: well facebook, twitter and G+ don't seem to like it
[16:00] <ogra_> (i mean it would be enough to have a mail discussion ... but since we wasre time for vUDS, lets use it)
[16:00] <jcollado> stgraber: Ok, that makes sense, thanks.
[16:00] <ogra_> *waste
[16:01] <lool> ogra_: is this something you would be interested in animating?
[16:01] <lool> ogra_: we'd want Ricardo S and Sergio + SDK folks I guess
[16:01] <ogra_> lool, if sshd ships without fibngerprints it generates them on startup .. we just need to remove them during build
[16:01] <oSoMoN> mhall119: yeah I was discussing this briefly earlier today with bfiller, we have an override mechanism to overcome those issues, we need to figure out good UA strings for those apps, bug reports to track the issues are welcome
[16:01] <lool> ogra_: I meant adb fingerprints
[16:01] <ogra_> lool, ah
[16:01] <lool> ogra_: this security stuff they added in 4.2
[16:01] <ogra_> well, sure, put it on my list
[16:01] <lool> or 4.2.2 rather or something like that
[16:01] <ogra_> ah, that stuff
[16:01] <jcollado> lool: Will those flags be part of the DBus API? I think I haven't seen in the wiki any way to force the type of update.
[16:01] <mhall119> oSoMoN: bug report against webbrowser-app?
[16:02] <lool> ogra_: would you file a vUDS blueprint for it?
[16:02] <oSoMoN> mhall119: yes please
[16:02] <lool> I initially wanted to log a SDK bug for this
[16:02] <lool> well, I will still do the bug
[16:02] <popey> mhall119: twitter works for me
[16:02] <mhall119> popey: did you dist-upgrade
[16:02] <popey> better in fact as it now scrolls
[16:02] <ogra_> lool, ang i think a bug would be enough, but we have to fill vUDS time apparently
[16:02] <popey> happy to test again ☻
[16:03] <lool> mhall119: 17:20 < mhall119> where is bzoltan today?
[16:03] <lool> mhall119: 14:31 -!- bzoltan [~balogh@81-197-109-19.elisa-mobile.fi] has joined #ubuntu-touch
[16:03] <lool> 16:18 -!- bzoltan [~balogh@81-197-109-19.elisa-mobile.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
[16:03] <lool> mhall119: might be off
[16:03] <lool> like 5:30
[16:03] <lool> mhall119: he started super early
[16:03] <mhall119> ok
[16:03] <mhall119> I can never keep track with his hours, he man hardly sleeps
[16:03] <davmor2> ogra_: so it looks like there is no regressions here on 21 all the same stuff is broken :(
[16:04]  * popey stabs the browser not being able to go back to twitter webapp from a link followed
[16:04] <ogra_> davmor2, awesome
[16:04] <lool> mhall119: that's the good thing about babies, you get less occasions to sleep
[16:04] <mhall119> popey: yeah, I hate that with facebook too
[16:04] <mhall119> lool: don't I know it
[16:04] <popey> twitter works here
[16:05] <ogra_> asac, 0821 released ...
[16:05] <popey> webbrowser-app: Installed: 0.22+13.10.20130820.2-0ubuntu1
[16:05] <popey> mhall119: same version?
[16:05] <lool> ogra_: Ok; hey thanks a lot for setting this up then; I think you have the most background on the USB IP connection and some good clue about SSH vs. ADB tradeoffs
[16:05] <mhall119> webbrowser-app: Installed: 0.22+13.10.20130820.2-0ubuntu1
[16:05] <mhall119> weird
[16:06] <ogra_> lool, np, thanks for bringing it  up
[16:06] <popey> mhall119: http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-08-21-170631.png
[16:06] <popey> what do you get?
[16:07] <davmor2> popey: Yay confirmed twitter scrolls
[16:07] <ogra_> (i still think we shouldnt have a developer mode though)
[16:07] <mhall119> popey: http://ubuntuone.com/6a70lfhVEzmt7s3wdRkrts
[16:07] <popey> whats wrong with that (android spam aside)?
[16:08] <mhall119> popey: it should look like this: http://ubuntuone.com/3FN7IwsCDhv3VbRLh0ewbg
[16:09] <w-flo> jdstrand, not sure if you get a notification about this, I opened a bug about apparmor template changes for the HTC vision: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu/+bug/1214975
[16:09] <mhall119> I guess twitter isn't as bad, but facebook it
[16:09] <mhall119> is
[16:13] <Saviq> oSoMoN, congratz!
[16:13] <oSoMoN> thanks Saviq
[16:13] <mhall119> oSoMoN: files bug #1215002
[16:18] <oSoMoN> mhall119: thanks, I’ll look into it when I get back on Tuesday
[16:18] <mhall119> oSoMoN: ok
[16:27] <rickspencer3> mhall119, how do I remove an app from my phone that I put there with QtCreator's "run on device" command?
[16:31] <mhall119> rickspencer3: you have to delete it from the terminal I think
[16:31] <mhall119> that's how I do it anyway
[16:31] <rickspencer3> mhall119, delete what, exactly? is there a doc on this somewhere?
[16:31] <mhall119> it'll put stuff in (I think) ~/dev_tmp
[16:31] <mhall119> and ~/.local/share/applications./
[16:32] <mhall119> rickspencer3: no doc that I know of
[16:32] <rickspencer3> ok
[16:32] <rickspencer3> seems like maybe QtCreator could clean this up for the developer
[16:32] <bfiller> mhall119: see my comment in browser bug for potential workarounds https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1215002/comments/4
[16:34] <ogra_> wow, that will become a mega whitelist over time
[16:35] <nerochiaro> Saviq: is there any docs or examples i should look at for the new hud actions api ?
[16:35] <pmcgowan> ogra_, its not for firefox mobile, we'll see I guess
[16:37] <pmcgowan> bfiller, mhall119we need a concerted testing effort, not random reports, we are looking into the scripts mozilla has
[16:38] <bfiller> pmcgowan: right, a followup is needed to get and try the mozilla scripts
[16:38] <bfiller> pmcgowan: but initial results just based on manual testing of the webapps we have in the build is not very good
[16:39] <bfiller> pmcgowan: facebook, twitter, gmail all have issues
[16:39] <pmcgowan> bfiller, that could mean one simple fix or not
[16:39] <pmcgowan> bfiller, Im surprised if they work for the FF string
[16:40] <Saviq> nerochiaro, not from me, pete-woods, Wellark, can you point nerochiaro anywhere?
[16:40] <bfiller> pmcgowan: I think step 1 is to at least get the sites we ship with working properly
[16:40] <nerochiaro> pete-woods: Wellark: for some docs or examples on the new hud api
[16:41] <pmcgowan> bfiller, wonder if its at all possible to talk to the site maintainers, we should ask the mozila devs how they got it resolved
[16:41] <pmcgowan> bfiller, not much levergae right now, but we have contact with facebook and twitter
[16:42] <bfiller> pmcgowan: I think they did talk to the site maintainers as much as possible
[16:42] <timp> nerochiaro: do you want to access the HUD using the UITK? It is pretty simple then :)
[16:42] <timp> nerochiaro: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.10/qml/ui-toolkit/qml-ubuntu-components0-mainview.html#actions-prop
[16:43] <nerochiaro> timp: i want to update the apps to use the new actions api
[16:43] <timp> nerochiaro: setting actions property of the MainView adds those actions in the HUD for the app. Setting actions of a Page adds them to HUD only when the page is active
[16:43] <nerochiaro> timp: ok cool
[16:44] <timp> nerochiaro: there is brief documentation in the UITK. More extensive docs in UnityActions, but because of restrictions in qdoc we couldn't link them from UITK docs
[16:44] <timp> let me see if I can find the url
[16:44] <timp> nerochiaro: here it is http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.10/cplusplus/unity-action/
[16:44] <timp> nerochiaro: but I think the qml docs couldn't be generated :(
[16:45] <pete-woods> nerochiaro: I think you might need to wait for Wellark, it's not something I've been involved in - I'd really expect to see them here (http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.10/cplusplus/)
[16:45] <pete-woods> but obviously they aren't there
[16:45] <timp> nerochiaro: so the very basic stuff that I described you can do directly from the UITK. For more fancy/advanced stuff, you'll need to use the UnityActions API and wellsb
[16:45] <nerochiaro> timp: wellsb ?
[16:45] <pete-woods> oh wait
[16:46] <pete-woods> nerochiaro: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.10/cplusplus/unity-action/
[16:46] <timp> pete-woods: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.10/cplusplus/unity-action/ but it was not possible to generate both cpp AND qml docs
[16:46] <timp> nerochiaro: Wellark
[16:47] <mhall119> bfiller: thanks for the workaround, it'll do until we get a long-term solution
[16:48] <timp> nerochiaro: I linked the unity actions in the uitk, so if you have questions I can try to answer them until Wellark is back
[16:48] <bfiller> oSoMoN: does the override mechansim do exact searching on domain names or use subdomains? for example would google.com override apply to mail.google.com or only google.com?
[16:49] <oSoMoN> bfiller: it will apply to both, unless there is a mail.google.com specific override earlier in the list
[16:49] <bfiller> oSoMoN: ok
[16:49] <oSoMoN> bfiller: and btw we probably need to sort the list on first use to ensure that subdomains come first, so that people adding overrides don’t have to worry about the order they’re added in the list
[16:50] <nerochiaro> timp: i'm having a look at the doc and most probably will have to leave soon. i will ping you again on monday if i have questions
[16:50] <nerochiaro> timp: Wellark: pete-woods: thanks all for the help
[16:50] <oSoMoN> bfiller: that would be done in a refined C++ implementation, not really something practical or efficient to do in javascript
[16:51] <bfiller> oSoMoN: is wildcarding supported? for example google.com.* so we don't need overrides for each country
[16:51] <oSoMoN> bfiller: no, unfortunately not
[16:51] <oSoMoN> bfiller: but that wouldn’t work for most countries anyways, google uses country specific extensions, so it’s e.g. google.fr, google.es, and so on…
[16:52] <oSoMoN> well it would work for google.*, but then there’s a risk of matching too many domains
[16:52] <mfisch> lool: the upstart jobs and scripts are working and checked in.
[16:52] <mfisch> lool: whats the path to the the pre-session job into ubuntu? can you assist?
[16:53] <mhall119> oSoMoN: could you use a regex for matching?
[16:53] <mhall119> though, that would make prioritizing harder
[16:54] <mhall119> s/harder/impossible/
[17:00] <oSoMoN> mhall119: it’s not supported in the current implementation, but I guess that would be possible to implement
[17:01] <oSoMoN> mhall119: although more costly too, and we want to keep this override mechanism as lightweight as possible, as it adds overhead to every request sent
[17:01] <mhall119> yeah, I'm thinking it's probably a bad idea
[17:01] <mhall119> forget I said it
[17:06] <mamenyaka> hello guys! Does Ubuntu One support sharing a folder without the need of an account to access that share?
[17:12] <xnox> mamenyaka: one can publish individual files & have "public URL" for them. Not sure about folders.
[17:12] <xnox> mamenyaka: i think you can export photo galleries like that.
[17:12] <mamenyaka> xnox, I am using it for the phablet-tool a individual files
[17:13] <mamenyaka> xnox, it's great that the URL remains constant as I overwrite the files
[17:13] <mamenyaka> xnox, but I would like to share the folder on XDA
[17:15] <w-flo> mamenyaka, google drive supports sharing folders by URL
[17:15] <mamenyaka> w-flo, thanks w-flo, I tried google drive in the early days
[17:15] <mamenyaka> w-flo, but after a number of downloads, I recieved a warning
[17:16] <mamenyaka> w-flo, and the files became unaccessable to the outside
[17:16] <w-flo> oh, great
[17:16] <mamenyaka> same with dropbox
[17:16] <mamenyaka> there is devhost and androidfilehost, but none of them have support for wget
[17:17] <mamenyaka> and I have submitted a number of requests to be signed up for goo.im, nothing yet
[17:18] <w-flo> I guess they all need to earn money through HTML ads. or spend less money on traffic and block more-than-average-usage..
[17:18] <mamenyaka> that's for sure
[17:34] <oreneeshy> does any one knows why phablet-flash returns "error: too few arguments"
[17:36] <mamenyaka> oreneeshy, what did you type in?
[17:40] <mamenyaka> anyone working on a samsung port here?
[17:41] <rsalveti> jhodapp: actually, it should be building against the mesa packages
[17:41] <rsalveti> which in theory have that symbol
[17:41] <rsalveti> jhodapp: do you have the build logs for it?
[17:47] <mamenyaka> ricmm, sorry for disturbing, do you have a moment?
[17:48] <ricmm> mamenyaka: whats up?
[17:49] <mamenyaka> ricmm, hi!
[17:50] <mamenyaka> ricmm, I lost all hope in getting that damn WiFi working for my note 10.1 port
[17:50] <mamenyaka> it just can't connect to the APs
[17:50] <jhodapp> rsalveti, one sec, let me get you that log
[17:51] <jhodapp> rsalveti, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/148071136/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-amd64.gst-plugins-bad1.0_1.1.3-1ubuntu1~ubuntu13.10.3_UPLOADING.txt.gz
[17:51] <jhodapp> rsalveti, you'll see it as a warning...the package still built though and this does happen even with the stock gst-plugins-bad 1.1.3 tarball according to Laney
[17:52] <rsalveti> let me take a look
[17:55] <rsalveti> jhodapp: it's linking against the hybris gles library, so wonder if that's defined in there
[17:55] <rsalveti> should afaik
[17:56] <jhodapp> rsalveti, yeah, it shouldn't link against that for non-arm, but even with arm that linker symbol warning still happens
[17:56] <rsalveti> jhodapp: if you install libhybris-dev, it'll link against it even when !arm
[17:57] <jhodapp> rsalveti, ok, I'm not quite sure how we should proceed with this
[17:59] <rsalveti> jhodapp: yeah, hybris is not exporting that directly
[17:59] <rsalveti> see the example: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6011167/
[18:00] <jhodapp> rsalveti, what is that code from?
[18:00] <rsalveti> and if you look at hybris/egl/egl.c, you'll see that it's returning the symbol only via eglGetProcAddress
[18:00] <jhodapp> ah
[18:00] <rsalveti> jhodapp: from the test_egl example from hybris
[18:00] <jhodapp> rsalveti, worth adding then or do we modify what libEGL is links against?
[18:01] <jhodapp> *it
[18:01] <rsalveti> well, I believe it might still fail in runtime as it'll depend on the hybris library
[18:01] <jhodapp> exactly
[18:01] <rsalveti> Stskeeps: do you know why eglCreateImageKHR is not exported directly in hybris?
[18:09] <mamenyaka> ricmm, can you help me with that?
[18:09] <ricmm> mamenyaka: sorry sadly I cant right now
[18:09] <ricmm> and probably not for a few days :(
[18:09] <ricmm> can you ask ogra about it? I think he tried enabling a similar galaxy device once
[18:10] <mamenyaka> ricmm, understood
[18:10] <mamenyaka> ogra_, sorry for disturbing, do you have a moment?
[18:10] <sergiusens> ricmm: doanac` https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/session-manager-touch/click_hint/+merge/181378
[18:11] <doanac`> sergiusens: is this to work with a pre-mir image?
[18:11] <sergiusens> doanac`: yes
[18:12] <doanac`> sergiusens: okay. i'll take a look in about an hour
[18:12] <sergiusens> doanac` so ricmm: told me he set something similar for legacy apps, I tested this out and it works fine
[18:16] <rsalveti> jhodapp: see http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/demos/commit/?id=43c2122af1caa750531f29bf734c03d1f50801d1
[18:16] <rsalveti> jhodapp: so ideally the gst code would need to be modified to use the same logic
[18:17] <jhodapp> rsalveti, ok, we could file a bug upstream for this...it's not a video sink that we'll be using with Ubuntu Touch
[18:17] <lool> mfisch: do we want to create a new /custom enablement package that we'd seed in?
[18:17] <rsalveti> jhodapp: right
[18:17] <lool> mfisch: like ubuntu-touch-custom-support or something like that
[18:17] <jhodapp> rsalveti, good find with that example though, that'll be useful for the bug report
[18:18] <lool> mfisch: going home and probably offline for today, but happy to help on that path if that makes sense
[18:18] <rsalveti> jhodapp: as it's just an extension, the best to do is first making sure it's available before using the symbol
[18:20] <jhodapp> indeed
[18:20] <jhodapp> rsalveti, filing a bug now
[18:20] <rsalveti> jhodapp: cool
[18:24] <jhodapp> rsalveti, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=706523
[18:25] <rsalveti> jhodapp: thanks
[18:25] <jhodapp> np, I suspect there will be other EGL calls that should be made more portable in the eglglessink plugin too
[18:26] <AndrewHaigh> hi, anyone know why setting an svg app icon doesnt change the alt-tab icon? e.g. if I do app.setWindowIcon(QIcon("<valid_file.svg>")); ?
[18:27] <rsalveti> right
[18:30] <mfisch> lool: I'll email you
[18:34] <Stskeeps> rsalveti: we can't anticipate every extension is available
[18:34] <rsalveti> Stskeeps: yeah, sounds right
[18:35] <Stskeeps> and the technically correct way is anyway to use eglGetProcAddress, even though it's bloody annoying
[18:37] <rsalveti> yeah
[18:52] <mfisch> stgraber: can we land that patch this week? should I do a MP for it?
[18:54] <stgraber> mfisch: added to my (unfortunately very long) list of important stuff to get done this week
[18:54] <mfisch> stgraber: thanks fre (bro) ;)
[19:19] <AskUbuntu> QML app icon not effective when called from app.setWindowIcon() | http://askubuntu.com/q/335505
[19:24] <spanner3003> Anyone doing an ubuntu edge countdown?
[19:37] <mfisch> Wellark: ping
[19:48] <mfisch> pmcgowan: who owns the "Edit Locations" screen or app?
[19:48] <pmcgowan> mfisch, whats that?
[19:49] <mfisch> pmcgowan: maybe it's the weather app, I clicked on it and I'm on an "Edit Locations" screen and I cannot escape
[19:49] <mfisch> without sliding anyway
[19:49] <pmcgowan> mfisch, could be weather app yes
[19:49] <mfisch> pmcgowan: ok
[19:49] <mfisch> pmcgowan: thanks
[19:50] <pmcgowan> mfisch, worked for me (once;)
[20:01] <spanner3003> http://tinyurl.com/l3w42dt
[20:08] <sergiusens> stgraber: lool are we making /opt r/w and using that for the target of install clicks on boot?
[20:08] <stgraber> sergiusens: I think that's the plan. My last lxc-android-config upload actually changes that to /opt/click.ubuntu.com instead of the whole of /opt because that was pretty ugly
[20:10] <sergiusens> stgraber: is that already in place in the latest update?
[20:10] <stgraber> sergiusens: I changed that 10min ago, so it'll be in the next build, though I'm working on a couple more changes now so won't trigger a rebuild just yet
[20:11] <sergiusens> stgraber: ack
[20:37] <penguincoder> since everyone here does a bit of CM building, can someone help me with a small build issue i am having for toro?
[20:50] <CountNoobula> Hi all!
[20:51] <CountNoobula> I have a samsung galaxy tab p4 but only managed to find instructions for the p4wifi :/ could anyone by chance assist in where to head with this please?
[20:53] <CountNoobula> As far as I know it is exactly the same specs with the exclusion of the GSM support
[20:55] <dixeflatline> is there a ported flash web plugin?
[20:55] <jdstrand> stgraber: fyi, I just noticed this on mako:
[20:55] <jdstrand> $ sudo aa-status
[20:55] <jdstrand> ...
[20:56] <jdstrand> 1 processes are unconfined but have a profile defined.
[20:56] <jdstrand>    /usr/bin/lxc-start (361)
[20:56] <jdstrand> rsalveti: were you able to find the cause of the mako failures?
[20:58] <jdstrand> rsalveti: cause if the lxc profile wasn't right and a race condition like ^ existed (where sometimes the profile is applied and sometimes not), that could explain it
[20:58] <jdstrand> rsalveti, stgraber: of course, I don't know if there is a race condition, lxc-start may always be starting before policy load. fyi only...
[21:05] <rsalveti> jdstrand: yeah, wasn't related with that actually, the bug was in the new display stack used by qcom in 4.2.2
[21:05] <rsalveti> which I reverted to the previous one based on 4.2.1
[21:06] <jdstrand> ah right, I read about that, duh :)
[21:07] <stgraber> jdstrand: hmm, I know that we run that container unconfined (lxc.aa_profile = unconfined) because of all the crazy stuff we want Android to do, though that should only skip the second profile, not that one for lxc-start itself... anyway, not a big deal but I'll have to check if we also see that on standard Ubuntu systems
[21:12] <spanner3003> Ubuntu edge countdown: http://tinyurl.com/l3w42dt
[21:21] <sqrt7744> anyone still holding out for a miracle?
[21:21] <wilee-nilee> lol no
[21:23] <ajalkane> I'm counting on Bill Gates to come for rescue
[21:23] <sqrt7744> maybe he'll finally see the light
[21:23] <ajalkane> He's a big philanthropic nowadays. So I'm 95% sure he'll go for it!
[21:24] <sqrt7744> maybe if we make one of the core apps a proprietary malaria tracker or something
[21:25] <ajalkane> Malaria tracker with subtle mind-altering payload that does BG's bidding
[21:25] <mfisch> stgraber: I MP'd the new writable path, perhaps rsalveti can approve it since I know you're booked.
[21:26] <wilee-nilee> not sure the edge was made to succeed
[21:26] <wilee-nilee> the donation system is flawed
[21:26] <sqrt7744> oh wait isn't one of their things free condoms? We should add a condom ejector add on
[21:27] <wilee-nilee> sqrt7744, THis is a family channel
[21:27] <sqrt7744> sorry
[21:27] <ajalkane> And instead of a "how to use the phone" welcome screen, a how to use "family-prevention add-on" screen
[21:28] <ajalkane> (made my comment family-safe just in time)
[21:29] <cyphermox> rsalveti: noticed something else missing, still working on that NM patch
[21:29] <ajalkane> Anyway, I think the crowdfunding gained lots of attention. The goal was quite ambitious. Maybe the attention was what was really wanted.
[21:29] <rsalveti> cyphermox: ok, cool
[21:30] <cyphermox> I need to run now but once I'm home I'll start another armhf build for testing
[21:31] <stgraber> mfisch: uploaded
[21:33] <AskUbuntu> problem with dependencies while installing ubuntu-sdk | http://askubuntu.com/q/335557
[21:57] <ixti> hey all!
[21:57] <ixti> finally got ubuntu touch running on my galaxy nexus :D
[22:02] <ixti> at the moment I believe I know *what* exactly I was doing wrong (I believe I was not pushing zipfiles as autodeploy.zip, although i might be wrong considering my knowledge of how things works in recovery mode)
[22:02] <ixti> anyway. after flashing recovery with clockwork rom manager - was able to set everything up
[22:02] <ixti> so now i have few questions :D
[22:04] <ixti> nevermind - just realized there's a list of apps on wiki :D
[22:05] <ixti> although is it OK that batttery usage is very high?
[22:12] <w-flo> ixti, it depends. can you "adb shell", then "top"? If you see a process with high CPU usage, something is wrong
[22:12] <ixti> unity :D
[22:12] <ixti> in fact I can run terminal and htop :D
[22:13] <w-flo> htop? is that even installed on the phone?
[22:13] <ixti> `apt-get install htop`
[22:13] <ixti> installs htop on phone...
[22:13] <ixti> :D
[22:14] <w-flo> oh, i see :) anyway, if unity is constantly using large amounts of the phone's CPU, then something is broken. reboot might fix it
[22:14] <ixti> yeah...
[22:14] <ixti> even with screen off it uses 36%
[22:15] <w-flo> 0.0% for me
[22:16] <ixti> hm
[22:16] <ixti> restarting
[22:16] <ixti> i must say that I use latest image
[22:16] <ixti> just for the record :D
[22:16] <ixti> yeah
[22:16] <ixti> after rebooting no problems
[22:16] <ixti> thanks
[22:17] <w-flo> now it's 0.3% with screen on .. I'm using the image from ~16 hours ago
[22:17] <w-flo> great :)
[22:17] <ixti> jesus f**k
[22:17] <ixti> oh
[22:18] <ixti> indicator if battter shows it's red and low... but status shows 87%
[22:18] <ixti> 13% of battery was wasted in about 20 minutes
[22:18] <ixti> but, yeah. looks like consumption should be low now :D
[22:19] <w-flo> it's lower on android for me
[22:19] <ixti> you mean battery consumption?
[22:19] <w-flo> yes
[22:19] <gopanthersgo1> hello all
[22:19] <w-flo> ubuntu uses like 40-50% with black screen in ~12 hours on my Desire Z
[22:19] <ixti> i guess i need to buy a second phone then
[22:19] <w-flo> heh, it's my old phone
[22:19] <gopanthersgo1> what's the default touch password?
[22:20] <w-flo> gopanthersgo1, phablet
[22:20] <ixti> phablet
[22:20] <gopanthersgo1> thanks
[22:20] <ixti> one for regular usage and another for playinig with touch :D
[22:20] <w-flo> that's exactly how I do it :D
[22:21] <ixti> so far i'm really impressed with touch :D hope it will become a stable and feature-rich soon :D
[22:22] <ixti> my dreams to run linux on phone finally becoming true :D
[22:22] <w-flo> I hope so too! maybe my next main phone is ubuntu only
[22:23] <w-flo> and by porting this to my old phone I've learned quite a lot about linux and its environment in general, which is nice :)
[22:23] <ixti> :D
[22:34] <chrisk> Quick question.  How usable is Ubuntu touch as a daily driver?  Do the basic features/system apps work?
[22:41] <sergiusens> stgraber: any recomendations to store the click packages?
[22:42] <sergiusens> stgraber: as in the filesystem? The uninstalled click files that is
[22:43] <stgraber> sergiusens: well, as they're static files shipped by a package, aren't binaries and aren't libraries, /usr/share/<something> would be appropriate I think
[22:46] <sergiusens> stgraber: thanks
[23:48] <mhall119_> yay, brightness controls are back!