/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/08/21/#ubuntu-za.txt

Kilosmorning all06:32
Kilostakes a while for konversation to see who is away06:32
zerlgiMorning Kilos06:38
Kiloshi zerlgi 06:38
Kilosyou show as away, lurking time?06:39
Kilosah there you go06:39
zerlgiKilos, do you think you're going to be in JHB for SFD this yerar.06:39
zerlgis/yerar/year/06:39
Kilosnope i dont go anywhere zerlgi 06:39
zerlgiok.06:39
zerlgithe reason I asked was that I might be up in JHB for this one.06:41
Kiloshmm...06:46
Kilosmorning superfly 06:46
superflymorning Kilos06:46
superflyohi zerlgi06:46
zerlgiHi Superfly06:47
Kiloswhere are the cape flats in relation to where you are superfly 06:47
superflyKilos: depends on whether I'm at home or at work06:47
Kiloshiya maiatoday 06:47
superflyKilos: at home they are to the east... further along the bay06:47
Kilosgot a mail that they gonna role out free wifi in the flats soon06:48
Kilosi wonder what the plan is with the free wifi bit all of a sardine06:53
maiatodayhi Kilos06:58
superflymôre maiatoday07:01
inetprogood mornings07:25
Kilosmorning inetpro 07:26
Kiloshi barrydk 07:37
barrydkGood morning everyone07:37
zerlgimornings inetpro, barrydk07:38
barrydkEveryone fine on this lovely morning?07:39
Kilosya07:40
barrydkStupid question. How do i run google earth from the terminal as suddenly mine won't work from the dash home thingie?07:43
Kilosjust type in the app name07:49
Kilosif it needs root priviledges you sudo "name07:50
Kilosor try a reinstall of it07:51
Kilossudo aptitude reinstall "app"07:51
Kilosi dont have it installed so cant check but will look on the 1st if you aint got it working yet07:52
zerlgiGoogle Earth shouldn't need root privs (07:52
Kiloshehe07:52
zerlgi... but install would07:52
zerlgiit's probably run from /opt/{some-directory}07:53
* zerlgi runs off to see on wife's PC07:53
ThatGraemeGuymorning all :)08:05
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy 08:05
zerlgiHi barrydk08:09
zerlgithe terminal path is probably /opt/google/earth/free/googleearth08:09
zerlgi... but press [tab] a lot08:09
zerlgito make sure that yours is the same08:09
Kiloswont it run just by typing in googleearth08:10
zerlgi.. only if the path to googleearth is in the $PATH variable.08:11
zerlgiin terminal: echo $PATH08:11
zerlgi... will return the path.08:11
zerlgi... that is how on Win/Lin/Mac launching from a command prompt works08:11
Kilosah08:11
Kilosoh my08:12
Kilossplits again08:12
Kilosi thought just his dash lost it, then normally a reinstall fixes it08:12
zerlgiwhen you type something it looks for a match in the locations specified by PATH08:14
Kilosah08:16
Kiloswont aptitude reinstall fix that?08:16
Kilosi like aptitude, removes stuff not needed08:17
Kilosonly thing to watch is that it dont wanna remove ubuntu-desktop08:18
Kilosi think it does that with purge gwibber08:18
barrydkso much for a simple answer. 08:18
Kilostry a reinstall with aptitude barrydk 08:19
barrydkI'm going to try that cause i'm lost completely now08:19
Kiloswhen last did it work08:20
Kiloszerlgi: will help you if reinstall dont work08:20
barrydkRealy don't know  Kilos  Thanks zerlgi 08:21
zerlgitx Kilos for volunteering me. barrydk will certainly try...08:23
barrydkI'll ask google also 08:24
zerlgithere is probably a .-directory with config affecting you...08:28
zerlgiso the right thing to try is to launch from terminal first.08:28
zerlgithat way you'll be able to see where the app crashes and whether a re-install will actually fix it...08:28
zerlgiif you have a fast internet connection I can show you via google chrome "remote desktop"08:29
Kilosoh my08:33
Kilosnet not happy again today08:33
Kiloshmm he either got it working or crashed his pc08:54
KilosThatGraemeGuy: when do you start the new job08:59
ThatGraemeGuyresignation date + 4 weeks09:00
Kiloswe gotta have a party09:00
ThatGraemeGuystill working out minor details before i formally accept09:00
Kiloscoffee and cookies on you09:00
charlgood morning all09:27
charlMaaz: coffee on09:27
* Maaz starts grinding coffee09:27
MaazCoffee's ready for charl!09:31
barrydkI re-install google earth and now it is working for about 10 seconds then it boms out i sommer go back to windowzzz09:41
charlMaaz: thanks09:50
Maazcharl: Sure09:50
charlwb barrydk 09:50
charlbarrydk: wb Kilos 09:57
charlag sorry09:57
charlstarted typing and then stopped :)09:57
Kilosty charl 09:57
charlbarrydk: are you running google earth under ubuntu 13.04? i've been using it and had no problems so far09:57
Kilossome bug in pc or someone hacking me09:57
charl:(09:58
Kiloseverything disconnects but modem shows online still09:58
charl3g modem? no clue, maybe the signal fell out09:58
Kilosit still shows connected and if i move it to another 3g port it doesnt connect again till i reboot09:59
Kilosnormally modem starts flashing before everything disconnects10:00
Kilosgrrr10:00
Kilosis barrydk still battling10:00
barrydkCharl i'm using 12.04 64bit. It worked fine for a long time now suddenly it's giving me a hard time10:01
Kiloswhew10:01
magespawngood day all10:06
barrydkHi Magesp10:06
barrydkHi Magesppawn10:06
magespawnhi barrydk 10:08
magespawnon my way out again. bbl10:15
Kiloshi magespawn 10:17
Kilosai!10:17
Kilosbarrydk: whats happening?10:18
charlbarrydk: might it have happened after a kernel upgrade?10:20
charlmaybe it causes some problem with 3d acceleration and your graphics card10:20
charlcould also be your graphics drivers10:20
Kilosit sucks when something all of a sudden stops working10:23
charlyeah very10:23
Kiloscharl can one change your ip addy to anything10:25
Kilosor must you follow rules10:25
Kilosuh oh pc gone into go slow mode10:26
Kiloswbb10:28
Squirmhey10:35
Kiloshi Squirm 10:35
SquirmKilos: there are certain IP adresses assigned for private use10:36
Squirmaddresses10:36
Kilosah10:36
Kilosive just plugged in router and hopefully that firewall thing helps10:37
barrydkHi Charl Sorry ran around here. I'm sure there was a kernel upgrade or two since the last time i used it10:37
Kilosotherwise something no well in this pc10:37
SquirmI know what they are, but found this - gives the total available IP in each field10:37
SquirmPrivate IP address ranges10:37
SquirmThe ranges and the amount of usable IP's are as follows:10:37
Squirm10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.25510:37
SquirmAddresses: 16,777,21610:37
Squirm172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.25510:37
SquirmAddresses: 1,048,57610:37
Squirm192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.25510:37
SquirmAddresses: 65,53610:37
Kilosbut if i change mine then i gotta go off dhcp hey?10:38
Kiloslemme find router book and see if that firewall will block all incoming10:39
SquirmKilos: they usually block incoming10:40
Kilosgood and if pc then still hits slow mode then its the pc not someone/thing trying to get in10:41
Squirmis your router connected to the internet?10:41
Kilosyes through 3g10:41
Kiloswhew there lotsa stuff in the routers firewall10:47
Kilosi enabled block wan ping10:48
Kilosand turned on intrusion detection10:49
Kilosdunno what else to do but will see what happens here10:49
Kiloshmm...10:57
Kiloslooks like something in pidgin or evolution slows the pc down10:57
Squirmcheck your task manager10:59
Squirmor in terminal use the command top10:59
Kilosrunning top11:00
Kilosopened pidgin again and all still fast11:01
zerlgiKilos, 3G does that sometimes. ppp connection still up. but nothing goes through. Is that what you are experiencing, or is your entire desktop hanging?11:04
Kilosi had the prob with an e220 but never before on my arab 3g11:05
Kilosswitching from workspace to workspace gets very slow but seems ok with evolution closed11:06
Kilosand now the 3g is in the router not directly connected to pc11:07
Kiloslooks like its evolution causing it11:15
Kilosall still fast with evo closed11:15
Kiloshmm...11:15
zerlgik. you could check if there are plugins in Evolution that you don't require, and disable them. that *might* help some.11:29
Kilosill try that ty zerlgi 11:30
Kilosjust gonna run pc without evo for a while and see11:31
charlhi sorry Kilos i am running around at work11:56
charlbut i see you already got help11:56
charlneed to go again bbl11:57
Kiloshi wilsonmc 12:07
Kiloswelcome to ubuntu-za12:07
wilsonmchi Kilos12:23
wilsonmcnice to see a ZA Ubuntu grp12:24
wilsonmcwhat do you guys chat about here?12:24
Kiloswe help peeps with linux probs12:25
Kilosand normal chat thats friends do12:25
Kilosdo you use ubuntu wilsonmc ?12:26
wilsonmcoh cool12:26
wilsonmcyeah I do12:26
Kilosthis is the official ubuntu help channel in za12:26
wilsonmcthat's awesome. I'm glad I stumbled upon it12:27
Kiloswell this is the right place for help and if you one of the boffs you can hang here and help others too12:27
Kilosoh you still new?12:27
Kilosor just to here12:27
Kiloshehe12:28
wilsonmclol not extremely new, but definitely not a boff yet. I guess I'm more of a power user12:28
wilsonmcLike Stephen Fry said ;)12:28
Kiloswell welcome here and shout if you need help or just get to meet the guys12:30
Kiloswe have our monthly meeting next monday evening here12:30
wilsonmcThanks a lot! Will do12:30
wilsonmcoh, is it an irc meeting?12:30
Kiloswhere are you and what do you do? if i may ask12:31
wilsonmcIm in CPT, CS student. U?12:31
Kilosyip the ubuntu loco monthly meet12:31
Kilospta 12:31
Kiloswas student 54 years ago12:31
wilsonmcthat's awesome! That way I could even attend! (If i'm allowed)12:31
Kilosyes we welcome anyone12:32
Kilosquite a few of the guys here are in ct12:32
Kilosyou can also join our mailing list12:32
Kiloshttp://bit.ly/MCOujZ12:33
wilsonmcWOW12:33
wilsonmcSo u r a super guru?12:33
Kilosnope im a greeter bot12:33
wilsonmcthanks, just joined it, signed up on the website too12:33
Kiloscool12:34
wilsonmcLMAO12:34
Kiloshehe12:34
wilsonmcgreeter bot? High Tech12:34
wilsonmcis everyone else bysy/distracted/asleep?12:35
wilsonmcbusy*12:36
zerlgiwilsonmc, hi. 12:40
zerlgiI'm away attending to support calls.12:40
wilsonmchi zerlgi12:44
wilsonmcok, that's cool12:44
* zerlgi waves, then gets back to phoning12:45
wilsonmc:D12:45
* zerlgi is back for a bit12:48
zerlgiwilsonmc sometimes it's pretty quiet in here, some days it's busy.12:48
zerlgithere are also a couple of other Linux'y IRC chatrooms12:48
zerlgithere is the Gauteng Linux User Group (GLUG) room: #glug.za on which you'd find quite a few of the same members as this room12:49
zerlgiand on a different network (atrum), is the Cape Linux Users Group chatroom #clug12:49
zerlgiwhat app are you using to connect to IRC?. Empathy or something like Xchat?12:50
zerlgibtw, wilsonmc. Software Freedom Day events 2 weeks time.12:50
zerlgi... in case you hadn't heard.12:50
Kilossorry! having 3g probs today12:51
* zerlgi going away again12:56
wilsonmcsorry zerlgi, had the chat in a background window12:58
wilsonmcim using weechat 0.412:58
wilsonmcwhat about you?12:59
zerlgi... xchat12:59
zerlgion Linux Mint.12:59
wilsonmci hadn't heard about the softeare freedom day, checking out the website now12:59
zerlgire weechat. Quite the power user then...13:00
zerlgi;-P13:00
zerlgithe #clug folks are probably doing the CT stuff.. see #clug on autumn.cpt.za.atrum.org13:01
* zerlgi goes away again13:01
=== miles__ is now known as Kilos
wilsonmcre power user: lol i try13:02
wilsonmcthanks 4 the info, i'll try and link up13:03
=== zerlgi is now known as andrewlsd
Kilos-hmm...13:09
=== Kilos- is now known as Kilos
* Kilos checking if both pcs will disconnect13:14
Kilosohi Xethron forgot to greet you today13:18
Kilossorry13:18
Kilossigh14:16
Vince-0haai16:03
* Vince-0 is making FIRE16:04
Kiloshi Vince-0 you gonna braai16:07
Vince-0ribbetjies16:07
Kiloslekker16:07
Kiloswow we min again16:09
Kiloshi psychicist charl 16:55
* inetpro getting hungry now16:57
inetproVince-0: your fault!16:57
inetproai daai ribbetjies klink so lekker 16:58
Kiloslo inetpro 16:58
inetprogoeiemore Kilos16:58
Kiloshehe16:58
inetprooops, waar's ons nou?16:59
inetproiemand al weer die horlosie te vinnig gedraai16:59
Kilosnee man jy skrik nou eers wakker van gisteraand17:04
magespawngood evening17:17
Kiloshi magespawn 17:25
magespawnhey i see we had some new faces17:25
Kilosyeah17:28
Kiloslets hope they arent one night stands17:29
magespawnah well, we take what we can get17:31
magespawnjust recieved my first spam from an outlook.com address17:31
Kiloshit it with sugarplum17:32
magespawnis in gmail, so flagged as spam, already17:33
Kilos*received17:33
Kilosah17:34
superflyKilos: sugarplum is not a spam filter, it's a honeypot of sorts17:35
Kilosits supposed to attack back isnt it superfly 17:35
superflyKilos: it doesn't try to get rid of spam in your mailbox and it doesn't use your mailbox17:36
superflyyes, but by poisoning the spammer's lists17:36
Kilosthats good17:36
Kilosthey cant keep getting away with the nonsense17:36
magespawndoes it work?17:38
Kilosits like with thieves, in countries where they have a hand chopped off there are no thieves17:39
magespawnorr at leasr ones that do not get caught17:39
Kiloslol17:39
magespawnor and least17:39
magespawnsuperfly does it work?17:40
Kilosmagespawn: have you looked at gamil if there arent good mails marked as spam too17:42
Kilosgmail17:42
magespawnyes happens every now and then, but not often, and usually if does i correct then does not usually happen again17:45
Kilosah17:46
magespawnhttp://www.infragistics.com/community/blogs/d-coding/archive/2013/08/21/developer-humor-technically-correct.aspx17:46
charlhi Kilos, magespawn, superfly, inetpro 17:50
magespawnhi charl18:06
magespawnthis via linux foundation on g+ https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/734125-how-to-install-sparkleshare-your-open-source-dropbox-alternative-on-linux18:14
magespawnsorry i can't seem to copy paste the short link from Maaz18:14
magespawnbut it looks like it breaks the t&c of the hosting site18:18
Kilosyo not_found 18:25
not_founduncle Kilos, how are you?18:26
superflywhy not use ownCloud?18:26
magespawnI do, at least on my own hardware.18:29
magespawnhttp://playingwithpython.com/learning-gui-development-with-pyqt/ something from the python group on g+18:30
not_foundalso add https://class.coursera.org/programming1-002/class/index for the python thingy... started on monday so still time to climb in and do it ;)18:31
magespawnhey not_found 18:35
not_foundo/ magespawn18:36
superflymagespawn: OpenLP is written in PyQt18:37
magespawncool beans, i am still amazed by that program18:37
Kilosjust did aptitude purge evolution and used muon to remove anything evolution related18:51
magespawnI am Maaz at home tonight18:51
Kilosdunno what went wrong in there but i think thats been where all my probs been coming from last month or so18:51
Kiloslol what you mean magespawn 18:52
Kiloscoffee on18:52
Kilosim sad. have used evo since i started with ubuntu18:52
Kilosand kmail dont even try to work18:53
* Kilos cries18:53
not_founduncle Kilos, you on KDE now?18:53
Kilosyes have been on and off for months not_found 18:54
not_foundcan always still use thundebird...18:54
Kilosuse 12.04 kde and unity and maverick to fix them18:54
Kilosi didnt like thunderbird thats why i used evo in here18:55
Kilosevo has a built in backup tool18:55
Kilosbut its almost like there was a virus in it now18:55
not_foundlinux can sometimes be its own virus >.<18:56
Kilosmodems show online but no net connection18:56
Kilosthen i opened evo now to check for mail and pc rebooted18:56
Kilosand today with evo open pc kept going into slow mode18:57
not_foundouch18:57
Kilosgrrr18:57
Kiloswas even thinking i been hacked18:57
magespawni get to make the coffee Kilos 19:01
Kilosrofl19:02
Kilosmagespawn: coffee on19:02
* magespawn starts grinding some beans19:03
inetpromagespawn: coffee please19:03
inetprowith rusks as well19:03
magespawnThere is already a pot on and it is all reserved19:04
inetproai!19:04
* inetpro goes to make his own19:04
inetprono need to grind more beans for me19:05
inetproKilos: what is wrong with Thunderbird?19:05
Kilosit didnt have the backup utility19:06
Kiloswill install and tell you what else19:06
inetproThunderbird is cross platform, unlike most others19:06
inetprowhy need an extra backup utility?19:07
inetprojust backup your home folder 19:07
Kilosit was lekker man remembered all the passwords and settings etc19:08
inetprowhat was lekker?19:08
Kilosand i had a few mails that i kept with info19:08
Kilosevo backup19:08
inetproso?19:08
Kilosnever mind19:09
inetproyou can create subfolders in Thunderbird as many as you want19:09
Kilosive removed it all and will see if pc still messes around19:09
Kilosthats all more thinking man19:09
inetproai!19:09
inetproEvolution has IMHO always been a massive bloated blob of a mess19:11
not_found+119:12
not_found:p19:12
* magespawn feels sorry for inetpro, two 'ai's' in one evening, ships him a cupa joe with Ouma rusks19:12
* not_found going to go and walk to stay awake... stoopid night shifts19:12
not_foundbbml19:12
magespawndouble espresso for not_found19:13
inetpromagespawn: hmm... thanks19:13
Kiloswbb going to maverick19:14
* inetpro now gets to drink two cups all at once19:14
kbmonkeyevening19:16
magespawnhey kbmonkey 19:17
inetprowb kbmonkey19:19
magespawnbet this would drive some sysadmins mad https://github.com/emvigo/apt-wishlist19:24
magespawnfrom Debian discussion on g+19:25
kbmonkeywb kil19:29
kbmonkeythanks inetpro, magespawn 19:29
kbmonkeywb Kilos 19:29
Kilosty fellas19:29
magespawnKilos: is like a boomarang or a cold, tonight19:30
kbmonkeyor flip-flops19:30
kbmonkeyor a yoyo19:30
Kilosim on maverick so i can sent mail to ian without my modem or pc crashing19:31
kbmonkeyit crashes when you send mail on other flavors? hectik!19:32
Kilosi think evolution has a serious bug in it on 12.0419:32
inetproKilos: and when you use the gmail web interface?19:32
magespawnonly Kilos gets this sort of thing, he is a developers unicorn19:33
inetproshould have a webcam watching his every move and click of the mouse and keyboard19:34
Kiloshehe19:34
Kilosi dont like going online to look at mails19:35
Kiloseats data19:35
inetpromails eat data even when you send and receive with a local app19:36
Kilosnope only new mail comes down19:37
inetproand when you send?19:38
Kilosjust opening gmail up there uses data before you do anything else19:38
Kiloswhen i send i use only that one mails data19:38
inetproKilos: I agree, but it get's cached19:38
kbmonkeyunderstand Kilos, that web interface fails to load sometimes on slow connections - not ideal19:39
Kilosthats fine up there 19:39
kbmonkeyI use mutt19:39
inetprooh yeah19:39
inetprokbmonkey: that may be a good solution for someone like Kilos19:40
kbmonkeyit is a nightmare to set up though 19:40
kbmonkeyespecially if you have to chain it through offlineimap19:40
inetprohmm...19:40
kbmonkeyKilos, sometimes I use the mobile version of gmail on my pc, it does not load any fancy stuff and is much lighter ;)19:41
kbmonkeym.gmail.com19:41
kbmonkeyjust fyi19:41
Kilosty19:41
* inetpro agrees with kbmonkey19:41
inetprothat mobile interface can be real handy19:42
kbmonkeya life saver some times!19:42
Kilosya but still i try not browse lots19:43
Kilosso will give thunderbird another go with pop19:44
Kilosthen you only get new mails come down19:44
Kilosmavewiiiick be kifffff19:48
Kiloswas very weird today, internet disconnected but both modems showed connected19:50
Kilosbut only with eveolution open19:50
Kilosevo19:50
Kilosif thats not a virus or been hacked i dunno19:50
* Kilos waits for comments19:51
magespawncould just be a software glich, does happen19:52
Kiloson 2 different drives19:53
Kilosand why affect the modem19:53
kbmonkeyjust be careful on new thunderbird accounts - IIR you have to set it to only download the last n-days of mails, otherwise it grabs *everything* the first time. gulp.19:55
Kilosya thunderbird wasnt lekker19:56
Kilosi got over 3g of mails up there19:56
inetproeish!19:57
kbmonkeydoes alpine support imap? dunno.. but it has some weird navigation too19:57
Kiloslol19:57
* inetpro likes this http://xkcd.com/1254/19:57
kbmonkeyuse alpine on my shell account, but it is not my favorite19:57
Kilosimap on thunderbird aint good at all19:57
Kilospop was better19:57
kbmonkeyKilos, let us make a cli client that rocks the rest19:58
kbmonkeyyar imap is not too nice for slower connections19:58
Kilosclient to do what19:58
Kilosoh mail client19:58
Kilosi see mutt is in kde19:58
Kiloswhen you try remove it it wants to remove kubuntu-full as well19:59
kbmonkeyKilos, I could not ask you to set up mutt, it may give you a head explosion. lol. it did me.19:59
Kilosstupid19:59
Kilosoh my19:59
KilosMaaz, Maverick ++20:04
Kilosuh oh20:05
kbmonkeyMaaz, 20:05
Maazkbmonkey: Sorry...20:05
Kilosnight all. sleep tight20:10
magespawnthats about me for tonight as well, good night.20:20
kbmonkeygn :)20:25
Vince-0yaaarrrn20:33
Vince-0me220:33
Vince-0something for you kbmonkey? http://online.computicket.com/web/event/i_am_hardwell_sa_tour/75248917420:34
Vince-0not my cup of death metal tea20:34
Vince-0im out!20:34
inetprokbmonkey:  Use Gmail in terminal with vmail  http://linuxicle.blogspot.com/2013/08/use-gmail-in-terminal-with-vmail.html20:35
kbmonkeythanks inetpro, I will check that out!20:35
* inetpro would love to try that also, but not now20:36
kbmonkeylooks interesting! it requires ruby-dev too, a bit large for a mail client, might check it out on the weekend20:44
kbmonkeyI'm also out. gotta get my rest -.-20:44

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