[04:51] <Hyuri> seems to me that in the case you have 2 HDDs with one windows 7 installed on each, ubuntu studio delete completely one of them and installs itself in the place
[04:51] <Hyuri> on a normal installation
[04:53] <Hyuri> i don't know if it is a bug and your are aware of this or i had a isolated problem, but i lose a windows 7 installation and all the data in this scenario
[07:20] <cub> OvenWerks, the new icons, they are only for the Ubuntu Studio specific applications right? I noticed that the Power indicator in the tray doesn't shrink if you change the upper panel to 16.
[07:24] <zequence> cub: They are only for the menu, unless you're thinking about our icon theme, which is based on another - just swapping out the logo pretty much
[07:24] <cub> Yeah, so the power indicator is someone else's problem. :)
[07:25] <zequence> I think itś elementary icon theme
[07:49] <cub> zequence, so you know why cinelerra is not available in the repos?
[07:49] <cub> do
[08:46] <knome> cub, can you talk about the non-shrinking icon with ochosi @ #xubuntu if it happened to be elementary?
[08:47] <cub> how can I check if it's elementary? My icon settings is marked "Ubuntu Studio".
[08:49] <knome> he can help you debug that :)
[08:49] <cub> ah
[08:49] <knome> and, um, #xubuntu-devel is better :)
[08:50] <cub> :)
[08:50] <knome> he's around now, if you have the time
[08:50] <cub> yup, just need more coffee. :D
[09:14] <smartboyhw> My phone is declared dead...
[09:14] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, what phone, why?
[09:14] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, Samsung Galaxy Pocket, just wouldn't boot (even when charging_)
[09:15] <Noskcaj> ok
[09:16] <cub> smartboyhw, so get an Ubuntu Edge
[09:16] <smartboyhw> cub, it will fail I think:P
[09:17] <smartboyhw> cub, can you help test the 12.04.3 images?
[09:17] <smartboyhw> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/301/builds/51842/testcases for amd64
[09:18] <smartboyhw> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/301/builds/51843/testcases for i386
[09:18] <cub> Sadly, yes. Still people call it the most successful crowdfunded campaign ever. But....if it doesn't reach it's target there will be nothing. How is that successful?
[09:19] <cub> smartboyhw, sure, I should be able to fire up some Vboxes here
[09:19] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, zequence DarkEra ^
[09:20] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, i would, but crappy laptop, internet and wrist
[09:20] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, focus on Xubuntu first maybe
[09:20] <Noskcaj> same issues
[09:26] <DarkEra> smartboyhw, i can't help because i don't have a machine at the moment to test or help further in development. I told a couple of times before that my laptop died a while ago and am not in a position to  buy a new machine anytime soon
[09:27] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, OK sure.
[09:27] <DarkEra> otherwise i would jump in straight away ;)
[09:28] <cub> smartboyhw, is that the test cases they have been talk about us updating?
[09:28] <smartboyhw> cub, what do you mean, *updating*?
[09:30] <cub> I saw some discussions (or emails) about updating the test cases. And check number 3 "Unity interface is displayed". No I hope not! ;)
[09:30] <smartboyhw> cub, uh hum, that's the problem with 12.04.3
[09:30] <smartboyhw> We didn't update the testcases for Precise:P
[09:30] <smartboyhw> The newer testcases are availble for Raring+ only
[09:31] <cub> aha ok
[09:32] <smartboyhw> cub, which architecture will you want to test?
[09:32] <smartboyhw> i386 or amd64?
[09:33] <cub> I figured I'd run both?
[09:33] <smartboyhw> cub, well, I can assist you here
[09:33] <cub> it will be on virtualbox though, if that's not an issue?
[09:34] <smartboyhw> cub, I mean, I can run i386 while you run amd64 ..
[09:34] <smartboyhw> that saves you time
[09:34] <smartboyhw> (Don't tell me you want to run 2 VMs at the same time)
[09:34] <cub> hehe no one at a time
[09:34] <cub> but shouldn't as many as possible test both?
[09:34] <cub> because of different HW and so on?
[09:35] <smartboyhw> cub, here's the fact: I run i386 and you run amd64, then if we find any bugs we can tell each other and re-run:P
[09:38] <cub> yup
[09:38] <cub> first issue. Download failed due to disk full. Doh.
[09:39] <smartboyhw> LOL LOL LOL
[09:40] <smartboyhw> zequence, please post the testing announcements to G+ and social media
[10:19] <cub> smartboyhw, about the testcases. The Live session contains 3 tests, tc-dls-001/002/003 but the page to report "passed with no bugs" I can't pick them each, just to clear that all worked. Seems odd?
[10:19] <smartboyhw> cub, eh, just mark them on the ISO QA Tracker
[10:23] <cub> smartboyhw, http://imgur.com/h3hmq8L
[10:23] <cub> Am I at the wrong place?
[10:23] <smartboyhw> cub, yes you are at the wrong place
[10:23] <smartboyhw> You should choose the Precise 12.04.3 milestone.
[10:25] <cub> hmm I end up at the same place.
[10:25] <smartboyhw> cub, you can't see "Passed with no bugs"?
[10:25] <smartboyhw> WEIRD
[10:26] <cub> yes
[10:26] <cub> I can. but as I can only run 001 and 002 but not 003 at the moment
[10:26] <cub> it should be possible to check each test case as you go along, I thought
[10:27] <cub> as 2 out of 3 can be successful
[10:27] <smartboyhw> cub, just click in the live one
[10:27] <cub> and as I can only mark "Live Session" and click "Passed with no bugs" I have to been successful at all three
[10:28] <smartboyhw> Report the result, and mention that you didn't do tc-dls-003
[10:28] <smartboyhw> Actually, I can't even do that either..
[10:29] <cub> nope it just set everything as passed then. crap.
[10:29] <smartboyhw> cub, what?
[10:29] <smartboyhw> I mean, click INTO the live testcaes
[10:29] <knome> if you couldn't do something, then set it to failed
[10:30] <knome> cub, you can edit the result later.
[10:30] <smartboyhw> knome, mark it as "In Progress"
[10:30] <smartboyhw> Failed?
[10:30] <cub> knome, part 001 and 002 is to start the live session and end it
[10:30]  * smartboyhw doesn't think so
[10:30] <cub> which was fine.
[10:30] <knome> smartboyhw, if you can't run -003
[10:30] <cub> 003 I need to create a persistent usb stick and run
[10:30] <knome> or is -003 persistence?
[10:30] <cub> which I can't do now
[10:30] <knome> BAH
[10:30] <smartboyhw> knome, -003 persistence:P
[10:30] <knome> now *THAT'S* a bug (that it is still not a separate testcase)
[10:31] <smartboyhw> knome, fix it:P
[10:31] <smartboyhw> (You are admin after all)
[10:31] <knome> smartboyhw, that's not as simple as just doing it. the hardest part is the social side.
[10:31] <smartboyhw> knome, the issue is that all the testcases you find for testing raring and saucy aren't used for precise (they still use the ancient part)
[10:31] <smartboyhw> Eh
[10:31] <cub> I could edit my result afterwards and add notes
[10:32] <knome> i think we could do that after 12.04.3 but before 13.04 tests
[10:32] <smartboyhw> knome, we have splited for 13.10
[10:32] <smartboyhw> We just didn't do that (for 12.04 specifically)
[10:32] <knome> (yeah i mean 13.10)
[10:32] <knome> okay
[10:32] <knome> then let's leave it
[10:33] <smartboyhw> cub, just leave a comment saying that you didn't do -003.
[10:33] <smartboyhw> Is that OK for you?
[10:33] <smartboyhw> I will do the persistence ones for you, I got 2 spare USBs.
[10:34] <cub> I added the notes and put it as "In prgoress"
[10:34] <cub> I can run it later on today when I get home
[10:35] <smartboyhw> cub, which architecture are you testing now currently?
[10:35] <cub> amd64
[10:35] <smartboyhw> cub, good:P
[10:35] <cub> need food. bbl.
[10:35]  * smartboyhw can do the persistence for you
[10:35] <cub> ok, I edit to successful then
[10:36] <cub> will run the installation test after lunch.
[11:51] <cub> smartboyhw: #fail or #ok? http://i.imgur.com/jtJnlBg.png
[12:12] <knome> heh, xubuntu logo :)
[12:12] <cub> yup
[12:12] <cub> sneaky. ;)
[12:12] <smartboyhw> cub, it was originally a bug supposed to be fixed.
[12:13] <smartboyhw> The problem: It is a bit TOO complicated.
[12:13] <cub> really?
[12:13] <smartboyhw> cub, you know, in 12.10 to fix that bug I think we modified at least 3 packages or somewhat (with 1 entirely new I think)
[12:14] <smartboyhw> !package ubuntustudio-icon-theme 
[12:14] <cub> interesting. It's "just" a logo. :P
[12:15] <smartboyhw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1077372
[12:15] <smartboyhw> Make it a pass
[12:15] <smartboyhw> But, this bug, hmm
[12:15] <cub> yeah I did
[12:16] <smartboyhw> I would rather mark it "Not fix"
[12:16] <smartboyhw> "Won't fix" rather...
[12:16] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, zequence any ideas? ^
[12:17] <cub> Should I be useing the Testing tracker while running my Saucy eee pc?
[12:17] <smartboyhw> cub, um, what do you mean? 
[12:18] <cub> Since there are test cases for Saucy, perhaps I should update everytime I re-install my Saucy laptop
[12:19]  * smartboyhw is making an amd64 persistance 
[12:19] <smartboyhw> USGB
[12:19] <smartboyhw> *USB
[12:19] <smartboyhw> cub, you should:P
[12:20] <cub> I didn't know about these pages. :D I done i386 suacy installations last time yesterday. :D
[12:21] <cub> anyhow, gotta do some work.
[12:33] <smartboyhw> Rebooting for persistence testing, see ya.
[12:41] <smartboyhw> Hmm, I
[12:41] <smartboyhw> am not sure if live session passed for me
[12:44] <smartboyhw> cub, OK, Unetbootin is an idiot
[12:44] <smartboyhw> Persistence doesn't work, can't use Firefox, etc.
[12:44] <cub> I've had trouble with unetbootin and persistence before.
[12:45]  * smartboyhw hates unetbootin...
[12:45] <cub> but I have had trouble with any creating-usb-stick how-to I use
[12:45] <smartboyhw> cub, LOL
[12:45] <smartboyhw> cub, I don't think we can try persistence...
[12:45] <smartboyhw> Just ignore it
[12:45] <cub> for a while dd was working the best. But it ended a couple of weeks ago so now I'm back to unetbootin
[12:46] <cub> How can we improve to the next time to have more time for testing?
[12:47] <smartboyhw> cub, probably we can run the images earlier
[12:47] <smartboyhw> Find the bugs earlier
[12:47] <smartboyhw> So we can have a bug-free test for pre-release testing
[12:47] <cub> I thought they weren't released until today?
[12:47] <smartboyhw> cub, actually, they are always available:P
[12:47] <cub> for Daily?
[12:47] <smartboyhw> cub, yeah
[12:48] <smartboyhw> cub, I will probably be trying AGAIN this time.
[12:48] <cub> I feel a bit bad to test a new release for LTS the day before release.
[12:48] <smartboyhw> Let me see if I can get it working
[12:49] <smartboyhw> cub, me too
[12:49] <cub> the users should be able to count on LTS to like..stay stable. :P
[12:49] <smartboyhw> cub, it is stable
[12:49] <cub> we don't know that?
[12:50] <smartboyhw> cub, ?
[12:50] <smartboyhw> cub, BTW have you started testing i386?
[12:51] <cub> Between us we might have run at least each test one time. I wouldn't be confident that's proof of stable. On the few machines we tried it on, yes. But for all other, who knows?
[12:51] <cub> no only the amd64
[12:52] <smartboyhw> cub, if you can start doing the i386 it would be great:P
[12:52] <cub> maybe later on, I need to get som work stuff out of my way for a while
[12:53] <knome> cub, people should file bugs, and there are automated mechamisms to find out if backports break older releases
[12:54] <cub> knome, ok. And how big of a difference is a completely updated 12.04.2 against the 12.04.3?
[12:54] <knome> not too much, and those updates are specifically under the radar for regressions
[13:12] <cub> smartboyhw, I'll set up th ei386 test and I can run them on my way home today
[13:12] <cub> Starting out with the dreaded usb persistant. ;)
[13:14] <smartboyhw> cub, LOL
[13:28] <cub> smartboyhw, to clarify on the persistence test. Am I supposed to create the USB within the Live Session? Or should I just create a USB persistence on whatever pc I want and then boot into that and run the tests?
[13:28] <smartboyhw> cub, second optioin
[13:28] <cub> ok
[13:58] <cub> smartboyhw, did you run the i386 live tests yet? I didn't get the questiong to "Remove install media and press ENTER" when shutting down. Otherwise it went fine.
[13:59] <smartboyhw> cub, no.
[13:59] <smartboyhw> cub, it's usual in virtualbox
[13:59] <cub> I ran it on my laptop, no Vbox.
[14:00] <smartboyhw> cub, uh?
[14:00] <cub> on the amd64 I got the question, running vbox
[14:00] <smartboyhw> weird
[14:00] <cub> will try in a vbox
[14:11] <smartboyhw> zequence, what upstream Linux kernelis the latest precise linux-lowlatency kernel based on?
[14:12] <smartboyhw> Need it for release notes
[14:13]  * smartboyhw can't load it from github, it complains about too long:O
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Oh My
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Sorry, this tree took too long to generate.
[14:13] <smartboyhw> ......
[14:16] <smartboyhw> zequence, BTW I deleted the upgrade testcases for 12.04.3 Ubuntu Studio
[14:17] <smartboyhw> If you want it back, tell me or mark it in ISO tracker yourself
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Eh, ignore that part, stgraber realized it is WRONG
[14:25] <smartboyhw> zequence, ignore that whole thing, I found it out myself
[14:27]  * smartboyhw goes draft the release announcement
[14:33] <smartboyhw> zequence, the draft is there in the website
[14:38]  * smartboyhw wonders where zequence today
[14:43] <smartboyhw> cub, how's the testing?
[14:43] <cub> good so far. Though I just realized I kind of skipped one step
[14:44] <smartboyhw> heh
[14:44] <smartboyhw> cub, I'm ready here with the release notes and announcement, needs zequence approval
[14:44] <cub> when installing during the "Where are you" I should have changed city and time zone. I just clicked continue since it was correct.
[14:45] <smartboyhw> cub, eh, it WAS supposed to
[14:45] <smartboyhw> So, not a probkem
[14:45] <smartboyhw> *problem
[14:46] <cub> yeah
[14:46] <cub> but the test included to be able to change anyway. buuut well it problably works. :P
[14:46] <cub> waiting for the last installation to finish.
[14:55] <cub> once it's released, what do I as a user need to do to upgrade form 12.04.2? Just update && upgrade?
[14:57] <cub> and done. smartboyhw, updated for i386 tests.
[15:05] <smartboyhw> zequence, marked all images as ready on ISO QA Tracker.
[15:05] <smartboyhw> I'm ready here for the release.
[15:05] <OvenWerks> the ubuntu grub2 documentation is less than as complete as I would like
[15:06] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, oh:(
[15:07] <OvenWerks> I would like to ensure the default entry is always the latest lowlatency kernel
[15:07] <OvenWerks> rather than just the latest.
[15:07] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, will we fix Bug 1077372 sooner or later? I would rather mark it "Won't fix" if it's impossible.
[15:08] <OvenWerks> The sense I got was that the PTB concidered it fixed if fixed in the new version.
[15:08] <OvenWerks> It is ok to do "won't fix" bu me
[15:08] <OvenWerks> *by
[15:08] <smartboyhw> Well, won't fix then..
[15:09] <OvenWerks> It appears that the icon only shows in one use case... to me it is more of a bug that it does not appear in more places.
[15:10] <OvenWerks> For example, I would like it to appear in the resize display and the something else partition display
[15:10] <OvenWerks> (or even some text)
[15:12] <OvenWerks> Another personal wish, is that the installer would honor partition labels, or allow the user to set them at install.
[15:13] <smartboyhw> As the old motto say: "If you want to have some feature, implement it yourself":P
[15:13] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, ^
[15:13] <OvenWerks> One step at a time
[15:14] <OvenWerks> The reason for this is that for unmounted partitions they get mounted on a directory named by the UUID which is quite long and besides gives the user very poor feedback as to what they are looking at in the case of more than one being mounted at a time.
[15:16] <OvenWerks> However, If I am going to work on something (after getting settings done :)  I would probably start with a better grub menu.
[15:17] <OvenWerks> I would really like to see grub when auto configured by a new kernel install, run set root on a partition selectable by the user.
[15:21] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, marked as "Won't fix"
[15:21] <OvenWerks> TY
[15:21] <OvenWerks> I guess I should have done that before
[15:22] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, if you can propose a fix to it, we can re-enable it back:P
[15:23] <OvenWerks> I won't. The importance level is too low on my list of stuff to do...
[15:24] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, OK sure:)
[15:24] <OvenWerks> That icon is going to end up being the only reason we need an icon theme at all.
[15:26] <OvenWerks> It looks like xfce is going to fix their default menu merge line so we will be able to use it as is with our merge.
[16:42] <OvenWerks> zequence: re:grub, I have made changes in my personal grub on my server before (to use a serial console) and in doing it the way _all_ the documentation suggests I do it, my kernel will no longer upgrade unless I manually force it to. This is because I have changed one of the system files ...
[16:42] <OvenWerks> /etc/default/grub in fact as suggested.
[16:45] <OvenWerks> I want to avoid making any similar problems show up in our ISO and so any fixes I do to grub make take some time in coming as I will want to test them over upgrades of both kernel and grub.
[18:20] <cub> I got to pick up my US shirts and mug today. The shirts are really nice! Good fit, good quality and great print. Only thing is that the Dark Grey shirt is quite greenish grey rather than dark grey.
[18:21] <knome> cub, so where in sweden do you live?
[18:21] <cub> The mug itself is good, great handle and normal size mug. The print is not great. The CoF logo is placed quite near the handle and not at the right side as described.
[18:22] <cub> knome, Stockholm or more exact in Ekerö. :)
[18:22] <knome> oo
[18:23] <cub> The print of "ubuntustudio" is not opposite of the handle as I expected but somewhere in between the middle and the right. Sadly the print is cut in the bottom so the fonts are a bit flat.
[18:23] <cub> knome, are you in Helsinki?
[18:23] <knome> yup
[18:24] <cub> The blue color on the mug is also a bit too light I believe. I will upload some pictures tomorrow.
[18:25] <knome> cub, there was some discussion about a nordic contributors meeting at one point..
[18:25] <cub> that would be cool. There seem to be quite a few Nordics around
[18:25] <knome> yup, zequence too ;)
[18:26] <knome> and astraljava and rowboatnick and Sysi
[18:26] <cub> ah I was just writing a question about that. :D
[18:27] <knome> and other,b ut not in the US/xubuntu project afaik
[18:27] <knome> projects too
[18:27] <cub> my "mormor" and "farfar" were from Finland.
[18:27] <knome> cool
[18:28] <cub> And then I lived in Haparanda for two years and that is Finland in most Swedes eyes. ;)
[18:28] <knome> lol
[18:28] <knome> and sweden in most finns eyes...
[18:29] <cub> I'd like to live in Helsinki sometime, but when I almost had a shot I left the company. :P
[18:30] <knome> aww :P
[18:31] <cub> hehe
[18:31] <knome> if you ever take a trip here, just ping me and we can sit down for a beer or so
[18:31] <cub> certainly, and if you come to Sweden as well.
[18:31] <knome> sure, i'll have to let several people know ;)
[18:31] <cub> we should bring zequence over then too
[18:32] <knome> yeah
[18:32] <cub> hehe that's the thing. You end up just meeting all the people and not having any vacation
[18:32] <knome> yeah but vacation wouldn't be my objective anyway :P
[18:32] <knome> just meet people, eat and maybe visit a board game store to buy a game
[18:33] <cub> :D
[18:33] <cub> what do you do when you're not handling xubuntu?
[18:33] <knome> what do you mean? ;)
[18:33] <cub> work? student? slacker?
[18:33] <knome> :P
[18:33] <knome> i'm an entrepreneur... but i fit in the last group
[18:34] <cub> aha
[18:34] <knome> ;)=
[18:36] <cub> Is there a new Mir version tomorrow? Any news on that?
[18:36] <cub> xmir
[18:36] <knome> seriously speaking, outside my work and foss involvement, i try to fit in as much nice things as possible; i'm a board game enthusiast so that and then music and other nice stuff.
[18:36] <knome> there should be tomorrow, or friday if the mir teams internal testing fails
[18:37] <knome> there was some discussion about that in #xubuntu-devel just a few minutes ago
[18:37] <cub> You should talk to one of my collegues, he's a big fan of board games
[18:38] <knome> cool! can you name his favorites?
[18:38] <knome> i mean, do you remember
[18:38] <cub> Nope. :D I'm not a fan.
[18:38] <cub> but he arranges board game evening at work and they are quite popular
[18:38] <knome> aww. but you've played, right?
[18:38] <knome> that's cool!
[18:38] <cub> noo not for like..20 years
[18:38] <knome> i do that too, but nobody ever shows up!
[18:39] <cub> haha
[18:39] <knome> (just kidding, i'm running my business alone)
[18:39] <cub> we have more nerds then
[18:39] <knome> he has told you boardgames are something much more fun and interesting than monopoly, right?
[18:40] <cub> If you want to expand your business to Stockholm we are in need of good *nix engineers
[18:40] <cub> oh yeah, the games he bring look awesome. But I'm swamped with all the other stuff I hope get done in the evenings
[18:40] <knome> thanks for the offer, but i doubt :)
[18:40] <knome> i'm mostly working with graphics/printing/websites
[18:41] <knome> and my "main" area seems to shift around between those three every 6-12 months :P
[18:41] <cub> ah, we only take care of things once they are done.
[18:41] <knome> mhm :)
[18:42] <cub> like the largest dating site in Finland. :P
[18:42] <knome> hah
[18:42] <knome> not your customer then ;)
[18:42] <cub> but no, we only have their mail platform now.
[18:42] <knome> heh
[18:43] <knome> my previous company did something similar, but when we split, i've kind of tried to get out of that
[18:43] <knome> not completely, i do some maintaining stuff, but only for my clients as an additional service
[18:43] <knome> (which also gives some additional money)
[18:44] <knome> do things well -> easy to maintain; ask for regular maintaining prices -> more extra for you
[18:44] <knome> (and no surprises!)
[18:44] <cub> hehe
[18:45] <cub> the dog is complaining, time for a walk.
[18:45] <knome> have fun!