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skellatOops...I made it go kaboom again... LP Bug #121469103:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1214691 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "chromium-browser crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121469103:33
knomemicahg, ping.08:45
cubHi ochosi , knome asked me to check with you with a non-shrinking icon for the power indicator. I suppose it's elementary Dark that is included in Ubuntu Studio, but not entirely sure. Are you available?09:01
ochosicub: hi, i'm semi-available atm, might have to go every second (awaiting important call)09:01
ochosibut you can tell me bout it and to the worst i read and reply later09:01
cubnp. I changed the size of the upper panel on my netbook running Saucy from 24 to 16, but the icon in the tray for Power/battery stays the same and you can't see the whole icon. I also tried that same thing on my Ubuntu Studio 13.04 with the same result. Seems 24 is the only size for that icon.09:03
Noskcajochosi, cub: i can confirm it affects xubuntu saucy09:04
Noskcajwhile running elementary darker09:04
ochosiyeah, that's a semi-known issue09:04
ochosicub: there's no 16px version of those icons (there are quite a few of them)09:05
ochosias not many ppl use such a tiny panel and no-one complained so far, i never added those icons09:05
cubhehe, I'm picky with my small screen.09:06
cubbut then I know. thanks.09:06
ochosibtw, the same is true if you're using just elementary-xfce09:06
cubyes I tried a few different just now.09:06
ochositheoretically when you use an earlier version, the icon would scale down09:06
ochosibut it would then always be fuzzy unless panel-height=2409:07
ochosii'm happy to accept patches, if anyone here wants to draw those icons :}09:09
cubIt's on my list to learn how to do icons and themes. Just very far down on the list.09:10
* Noskcaj needs something he can do for xubuntu one-handed. will look icon icon making09:13
Noskcaj*into icon09:13
Noskcajochosi, Where is the branch so i can try making icons?09:16
ochosiNoskcaj: https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce09:17
ochosistarter-tip: always align everything to the grid, otherwise we can't use the icon/s09:17
NoskcajThat means nothing to me so far09:18
Noskcajochosi, Any tools you recommend i use?09:22
knomeNoskcaj, TBE: if you are drawing a 16x16 icon, there is a virtual grid of 16x16. try not to cross those lines.09:22
knomeNoskcaj, inkscape.09:23
Noskcajknome, ty09:23
NoskcajAny how-to guides? i have no idea what i'm doing09:33
cubNoskcaj, http://www.microugly.com/inkscape-quickguide/09:37
Noskcajcub, ty09:37
cubI haven't gone through myself but got the link when I asked the same question a couple of weeks ago.09:38
knomeNoskcaj, my #1 step in a guide would be to understand what you're doing first09:42
knomeNoskcaj, try looking for examples in other icons, see how they are aligned to the grid09:42
knomeNoskcaj, get a grasp of what the icon should look zoomed in inkscape with a grid visible09:43
knomes/the/an/09:44
knomeNoskcaj, then get an image in your head of what you want to make the new icon look like, what kind of elements it should have09:44
knomeNoskcaj, then worry about knowing how to use inkscape.09:44
smartboyhwknome, you guys better get started on testing 12.04.309:46
smartboyhwelfy, ^09:46
knomesmartboyhw, yeah yeah, sure sure. ;)09:46
smartboyhwLOL09:46
lderani can do some testing if need be :P09:47
smartboyhwlderan, I think you are needed:P09:47
smartboyhw(LOL)09:47
lderan\o/09:47
knomelderan, hey10:01
knomelderan, i was thinking the other day10:01
knomelderan, do we need an extra "version-details" tag?10:01
knomelderan, couldn't you just put the , inside "version-id"?10:01
lderaneasily enough to make it do that. will there be a case where the , is unneeded? 10:02
knomehmm, i see now that being a bit problematic regarding the spot where you'd put the ID itself10:03
knomei mean if it's inside version-id, you'd have to put the ID either after or before the comma10:03
lderancould have several classes for the variations10:03
knomelderan, yeah, the case when you don't get the version number ;)10:03
knomei'd just rather go with one10:03
knomei'm thinking this fallback is overcomplicating things.10:04
knomebut that might be needed.10:04
knomealso thinking: instead of span replacements, couldn't we do text replacement?10:04
knomeeg, if you type $versionID in the text, it gets replaced10:05
knomei know that's not as easy with JS as element replacement10:05
knomewhat i'm wondering about might be just a non-problem :)10:05
lderanregex to save the day :P10:05
knomei mean, it's not something you poke every day10:05
knomeeven less when that's automated10:05
lderanindeed10:06
knomei just poked the usage a bit10:08
lderanpoke away :P10:13
lderanits very unlikely the slideshow will not get the version number, more likely the version name wont be passed.10:14
lderanthats unlikely in of itself as well10:15
knome:)10:15
knomebbl10:37
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elfysmartboyhw: please don't be telling me what to do. Thanks.12:06
ollihi there16:39
elfyhi olli 16:42
olliknome, skellat wanted to give you guys a quick heads up on the status of xmir16:42
ollihey elfy16:42
knomehey olli16:42
knomei'm not actively around right now, but go ahead16:42
olliskellat, knome we are targeting a call for testing for the remaining 2 big features (Multimonitor, composite bypass) for either Thu or Fri this week16:43
olliI am saying "or Fri" in case there are issues in our internal preliminary testing16:43
olliknome, ack, just wanted to share that with you guys in advance of tomorrows meeting16:44
elfyolli: my biggest issue at the moment is that I still see what I did in xmir or not when I boot in and out16:44
elfygot screenshots here16:44
ollielfy, yeah, you are probably still on .8 or .916:44
olliwe had to stop landing to fix an ATI related issue16:44
elfyhttp://imgur.com/cPAmyNC,irF8k6K,DCfJ9j0#016:45
olliand hence the "switch" branch hasn't hit archive yet16:45
elfyI updated/upgraded last night about 2000utc16:45
olliwe should have turned landing on as of this AM European (didrocks') time16:45
ollilet me check16:45
elfyso you're saying that if the updates have gone through I won't see that ^^ anymore16:46
ollithat's my expectation16:46
* olli checks on reality 16:46
elfyso will elfy ;)16:47
ochosielfy: did you just ping yourself?16:55
elfyolli: have you checked? is it worth me booting the mir install to upgrade?16:55
elfyochosi: not that I noticed 16:55
elfybut it's been a 25 hour day16:55
ochosi:)16:55
ollielfy, still discussing with ppl in #ubuntu-mir16:55
elfyfull of 61 minute hours :p16:55
elfyolli: okey doke16:56
elfyolli: that bug that you're talking of in -mir isn't what I'm seeing17:02
elfyit might have got talked about in one of the other bugs I read though - but I can't be sure which one now17:03
ollielfy, arg, misread you17:06
ollielfy, I'll have kgunn or tvoss come back to you17:06
elfyok - well they can do it with forestpiskie in -mir :)17:07
knomeerm, if it's a xubuntu issue, i'd appreciate if it happened here17:08
knomejust for the sake of logs and others being able to chime in17:08
elfywell they can come here then 17:09
knome(and generally it's nice to see that the mir team is willing to travel around, there might be other things people want to ask them etc)17:09
knomeolli, so thanks for being here! :)17:09
elfyolli: so - is it going to be worth me upgrading to see what it looks like now - I'm going to be away tomorrow and need to make my views known prior to our meeting17:23
ollielfy, it should not regress, in a mtg atm with Kevin, can't look at it in the next 1h17:24
elfyok 17:24
olliso, if you can I'd say give it a spin17:24
elfyok - thanks17:26
elfyolli: slightly different - still get corruption in whatever I boot after I've been in mir17:50
elfythanks for your help 17:51
ollielfy, weird17:51
elfyyep17:51
ollido you have a bug to track that issue?17:51
elfyno - though last time I did a bug and had a screenshot I just got sarcasm17:52
elfywhich tends to put you off bothering17:52
elfybut I'm happy enough to do it again - what package to report against? 17:52
ollielfy, sarcasm? i'd be interested to see the initial report 18:05
elfyolli: I booted it again - just doing a bug report - which package should I report against?18:05
ollielfy, file it against unity-system-compositor and subscibe me18:05
elfyand that wasn't necessarily a mir bug :)18:06
elfyok will do18:06
elfyolli: what's you LP name?18:07
olliories18:08
elfyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-system-compositor/+bug/121505318:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1215053 in unity-system-compositor (Ubuntu) "Corruption in login window following reboot" [Undecided,New]18:12
elfyoh dear - found one that I didn't have yesterday now - in firefox in mir - cursor is now a rather large box when you've got an image to enlarge18:13
ollielfy, off to another round of mtgs18:14
elfyI'll screenshot that - attach it 18:14
elfygood luck - I'm getting close to putting my feet up 18:14
knomehonestly speaking, mir still has quite a lot of bugs :/18:14
ochosihuge undertaking, little time > quite a lot of bugs18:15
lderani would like to see it running on my pc :(18:15
elfynot having any luck capturing this oddity in a screeny18:15
ochosihah, even managed to make the lines sync :}18:15
knomeyeah, i'm not blaming anybody about it18:15
knomeochosi, heh, yeah ;)18:15
elfyhttp://i.imgur.com/sTkdYPe.jpg18:18
elfythat's what I see in a large image in firefox18:18
elfybrb18:18
lderanknome, shall i start on the text replacing for the slideshow?18:49
knomelderan, did dylan reply to your last commit?18:50
lderanno replies yet18:50
lderanshall check to make sur18:50
lderane18:50
knomei'd wait for that18:50
knomehe's the go-to guy on the slideshows anyway, so want to make sure he's comfortable with it18:50
lderanokay :)18:51
knome(at least before poking others' slideshows)18:52
lderan:P18:53
elfyI'd forgotten how old 12.04 looks 19:27
elfyor different perhaps19:27
ochosielfy: artwork-wise?19:32
elfyyea19:33
elfy13.10 looks just a whole different beast altogether 19:34
Unit193Mailing list user had the same issue as elfy.19:35
elfythat 12.04 looks different than 13.10 ?19:37
elfy:)19:37
drcwell, greybird does look different on those two (to these eyes anyway)19:38
elfyyea - just a long long time since I saw it19:38
ochosiso what's the verdict then?19:40
ochosi(old doesn't necessarily mean bad/worse)19:41
Unit193Greybird?  I see it on live systems, but that's it.19:41
drcguilty...35 years sentence19:41
elfyochosi: I much prefer what I see now 19:42
ochosigood to hear19:42
elfyindeed :)19:43
ochosii'm trying to do incremental changes overall, but i know the switch away from the dark menus was harsh for many (at least in the beginning)19:43
elfywell I'd not really have noticed that as I never used dark menus - tended to change that 19:44
drcochosi: since the topic came up :)...why is the appmenu light while the rest of the theme is dark?19:44
ochosielfy: well all menus had a dark bg, now the bg is bright19:44
ochosidrc: how/where is greybird dark (apart from the panel)?19:45
drcthe old greybird (say 12.04 era) it was closer to the panel color.19:45
ochosiyeah, i know19:45
drcwell, I ment the panel...sorry19:45
ochosii tried that, making only the panel-related menus dark, but it just felt very inconsistent with the rest19:46
ochosiso it turned out to be an all or nothing decision19:46
ochosianother issue was icon-colors19:47
ochosiwith gtk3 this won't be as big a problem anymore19:48
ochosibut until then you have to decide what colors they should have19:48
elfywell - I didn't mean to start a discussion - was just a comment about how I prefer what we have now lol 19:48
ochosihehe, artwork discussions have become rare anyways19:49
drcelfy: sorry, it's just that I've never seen ochosi in the (any) channel when the subject of greybird came up, so I <had> to ask19:49
ochosipeople seem to be fed up with them or simply satisfied :)19:49
ochosidrc: you can always ask me about these things if you want to19:50
elfya pair of :)'s 19:50
drcochosi: I know, but it just normaly seems, well, silly to ask about such a small thing.19:52
Unit193Crap, I hate to bring it up before tonight, but I don't see anything majorly interesting in the latest two releases: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/mir/+changelog20:04
lderanyeah :(20:16
elfyanyone able to do a 32bit test for 12.04.3 - I've done the others but got nothing to do an entire disk test20:18
elfyhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/301/builds/51847/testcases/130/results20:18
elfyif they can20:18
cubNoskcaj, you disconnected earlier before I got to paste two more inkscape links: http://fullcirclemagazine.org/inkscape-special-edition-volume-one/ and http://fullcirclemagazine.org/inkscape-special-edition-volume-two/20:21
Noskcajcub, thanks. i still don't understnd it20:23
Noskcajelfy, i'll have a look20:24
elfycheers Noskcaj 20:24
Noskcajhowever, crappy laptop, internet and wrist will make things slow20:25
elfyit's just the one - I've done the 64bit and 3/4 of the 32bit20:26
knomeelfy, feel free to mark the ISOs ready then :)20:53
elfyforget I can do that ... 20:53
knomeheh20:54
elfytick the 64 bit desktop and then mark as ready from the dropdown I assume20:54
elfyknome: ^^20:54
knomeelfy, yup20:55
elfyok - done that then :)20:55
knomenice20:56
Noskcajelfy, What'sthe bug for the grey background boxes in precise?20:57
elfynot sure - didn't see them 20:57
elfydidn't see anything untoward at all 20:58
Noskcaji've got three already20:58
elfyoh yea - waht bit of the testcase are they failing on ?20:59
Noskcaji'll have bugs soon.20:59
elfyyea - but what bit of the testcase is failing? 20:59
NoskcajThe first bits21:00
elfyhttp://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/DesktopWhole21:00
elfywhich first bit :p21:00
knomeit's not a fail if it doesn't stop you from finishing the testcase - the grey bg areas won't21:00
knomethose are bleh, but... we have 14.04 soon.21:01
elfyas far as I'm concerned if it passes the testcase it's a pass21:02
elfyNoskcaj10: did you catch our last comments? 21:10
Noskcaj10no21:10
elfy<knome> it's not a fail if it doesn't stop you from finishing the testcase - the grey bg areas won't21:11
elfy<knome> those are bleh, but... we have 14.04 soon.21:11
elfy<elfy> as far as I'm concerned if it passes the testcase it's a pass21:11
elfyI'm off up the wooden hill now anyway - thanks for doing that one21:12
knomethanks elfy and have fun21:12
elfyI'll do the 32bit alternate ones tomorrow21:13
knomenice21:14
knomei'll see if i can do one or two today or tomorrow21:14
elfyif you can manage the entire disk ones that'd help me21:14
elfynight21:14
knomenighty121:14
knome! too21:14
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Unit193mhall119: Why hello! :P23:49
mhall119hi Unit193 23:50

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