[02:58] <snail> anyone have "practical electronics ability"?  http://vacancies.vuw.ac.nz/positiondetail.asp?p=6653
[02:59] <ibeardslee> heh .. that seems to be a bit more than "practical electronics ability"
[03:13] <snail> ibeardslee: true, but "practical electronics ability" is why i'm not applying ...
[17:50] <olly> morning
[19:33] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:49] <snail> morena koutou
[19:51] <olly> i did a package upgrade on my 10.04 machine, and now the wifi doesn't work - in network manager it says "device not ready"
[19:51] <olly> has there been a change in the firmware blobs which get installed in the recent past?
[19:51] <snail> ifdown --all
[19:51] <snail> ifup --all
[19:52] <snail> that's what i have to do sometimes
[19:52] <olly> hmm, never had to do that before
[19:52] <snail> it's a shotgun approach, but it works for me
[19:52] <snail> and it's real simple and can't break anything else
[19:52] <olly> well, except open network connections
[19:53] <olly> ifconfig shows eth1 isn't configured, so I have my doubts, but I guess it's worth a try
[19:54] <olly> doesn't help
[19:54] <olly> didn't even take down eth0 for some reason, only loopback
[20:27] <G> morning
[20:27] <snail> http://getprsm.com/
[20:29] <G> ha, love it
[20:30] <ajmitch> morning
[20:35] <olly> well, I managed to prod it into existing with: sudo ifconfig eth2 up
[20:35] <olly> network manager doesn't seem to know about it though
[20:36] <olly> but I can do things like "sudo iwlist eth2 scan" and get plausible results
[20:36] <G> you might need to restart network manager
[20:36] <G> especially if the package update forced a module reload in a way NM wasn't expecting
[20:38] <olly> yeah, that seems to have helped
[20:38] <olly> though it seems to think i have "eth0" and "Ethernet" now
[21:58] <hads> morning