[00:12] <spanner3003> Hi peeps why am i seeing gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-control-center as part or sudo apt-get upgrade on ubuntu touch for nexus 7?
[00:14] <spanner3003> If i try and run them in terminal or ssh it says it needs xserver
[00:16] <spanner3003> Sorry it says could not open x display
[00:20] <metisnc> !list
[00:31] <RobbyF> seems like the browser has improved a lot
[00:31] <RobbyF> great job
[00:51] <RobbyF> last few builds don't let you run apps
[01:20] <OrokuSaki> Can you guys share any tricks regarding gyroscope or compass?? I cant get the sensor service to start.. any common work arounds?
[01:21] <OrokuSaki> doesn't seem to like the accelerometer
[01:21] <OrokuSaki> but I wonder if it just doesn't like the first sensor it comes across
[01:21] <OrokuSaki> nusensors.cpp private:     enum {         lsm303dlh_acc           = 0,         lsm303dlh_mag           = 1,
[01:23] <mhall119> RobbyF: say what now?
[01:24] <OrokuSaki> oh... been working on this forever... finally can android-chroot.. learned more about lxc.. I can see flinger has started
[01:24] <OrokuSaki> powerd complains I don't have a backlight.. other then that.. I get an error when running test-sensor
[01:25] <OrokuSaki> about the accelerometer.. Maybe its a udev thing
[01:25] <OrokuSaki> recompiling
[03:25] <cyphermox> davmor2: poke.
[03:26] <cyphermox> davmor2: I know I mentioned it before but if you feel like testing a NM package that I hope will fix the issue (admittedly, not well tested yet): http://people.ubuntu.com/~mathieu-tl/network-manager/
[03:34] <OrokuSaki> sweet... I had to manually start the sensor service..
[03:35] <OrokuSaki> anyway I can modify the init.rc? can I use overrides with lxc?
[03:35] <OrokuSaki> I now have gui, wifi, and touch =)
[03:37] <OrokuSaki> I don't have apparmor or fanotify
[03:37] <OrokuSaki> =)
[03:37] <OrokuSaki> 2.6.35
[06:20] <spanner3003> http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130822T0759&p0=136&msg=ubuntu+edge+end watch the time run all the way down to 0 for the ubuntu edge campain
[07:26] <xenos1984> huh - the latest update of the phablet scripts asks me to install a bunch of other packages (i'm running ubuntu 12.04)... that's gonna be fun
[08:03] <pinqvin_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install in that tutorial there is not samsung nexus s listed, so is it supported?
[08:25] <dholbach> good morning
[08:49] <Mirv> Kaleo: ok, I'm running smooth with the updated qtdeclarative, so no changes observed. I'm copying the updated 5.1 package to qt5-beta-proper now.
[08:49] <Mirv> Kaleo: I'll also include the patch in my 5.1.1 builds
[08:54] <dholbach> is the click app scope working or showing anything for anyone on 20130821.1?
[08:55] <ogra_> dholbach, i dont think it is ready yet
[08:55] <dholbach> ogra_, it showed me the current apps and I could install them 1-2 days ago
[08:55] <ogra_> oh
[08:56] <dholbach> I couldn't start them, but that was a different topic :=)
[08:56] <dholbach> :)
[09:13] <ogra_> diwic, so i still have the same symptoms here even with the new telepathy-ofono ... outgoing calls work just fine ... on incoming the phone app doesnt come up ... i'll re-flash again, since it seems to work for sergio
[09:13] <diwic> ogra_, yeah, it's weird that it works for sergio but not for you
[09:14] <diwic> ogra_, but a "pacmd list" from when the ringtone should have been playing could be next step for analysis
[09:18] <ogra_> diwic, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013351/ shortly after the screen lit up
[09:20] <diwic> ogra_, thanks. There are no sign of phone-app-approver, looks like the problem needs to be debugged by someone at that side
[09:20] <ogra_> well, lets see what a re-flash gets me
[09:20] <ogra_> i start to suspect the image i use has issues
[10:13] <smartboyhw> Question: Are new Android 4.2 phones not available for porting?
[10:14] <smartboyhw> It's too new, it just came out this week...
[10:14] <ogra_> can you rephrase that ?
[10:14] <ogra_> you should be able to port any 4.2 device you have the source for
[10:15] <smartboyhw> ogra_, without Cyanogenmod?
[10:15] <ogra_> well, you will have to make the cyanogenmod adjustmens i guess
[10:15] <ogra_> so that it works with our tree
[10:15] <smartboyhw> Meh:(
[10:15] <ogra_> but there are a few people that ported without having a cyanogenmod source
[10:16] <ogra_> so it apparently works :)
[10:16] <smartboyhw> ogra_, :O
[10:16] <smartboyhw> Anyways, maybe I should start porting to Cyanogenmod first.
[10:24] <ogra_> jcollado, one for your re-run list, unity8 on mako just failed due to ueventd hanging
[10:26] <jcollado> ogra_: Ok, re-scheduled.
[10:27] <ogra_> hopefully one time is enough
[10:27]  * ogra_ thinks if systemsettle fails utah should automatically re-schedule for a certain amount of loops
[10:28] <ogra_> (i.e. only mark a total fail after none of 3 runs succeeded or so )
[10:29]  * diwic will need to be away for an hour or two, bbl
[10:30] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:32] <xnox> ogra_: lool and I are pondering what would be needed to build ubuntu-touch for i386-atom-emulator target? (i know ubuntu-touch didn't yet boot on emulator, so this is a very academic question)
[10:34] <mamenyaka> hi ogra_! have some spare time to help me out again for the 1000th time with the same stupid things I ask?
[10:34]  * ogra_ notes thaat lool didnt understand his ssh proposal
[10:35] <ogra_> xnox, dunno, try to roll an image first, not sure live-build can do that atm for x86
[10:35] <lool> ogra_: I think I got it, but was making more general points  :-)
[10:35] <ogra_> mamenyaka, well, its porting clinic today :)
[10:35] <ogra_> so go ahead
[10:36] <mamenyaka> it is? great!
[10:36] <ogra_> lool, i dont want adb to run at all in either scenario
[10:36] <mamenyaka> well, the same thing, wifi not connecting for my samsung note 10.1 port
[10:36] <ogra_> yeah, i remember i had to hack around something for the galaxy S2 port too
[10:37] <mamenyaka> I have the insmod nicely bringing up wifi
[10:37] <mamenyaka> but after that it just hangs on connecting
[10:37] <mamenyaka> wpa2
[10:39] <lool> ogra_: so on the move away of adb, I am not entirely sure SSH would entirely supersede it
[10:39] <ogra_> only for the sdk
[10:39] <lool> ogra_: adb feels a bit lower level general purpose "do this thing on the device for me"
[10:39] <lool> ogra_: ah, but I would like us to avoid ending with *both* and SSH
[10:39] <lool> *adb and SSH
[10:39] <ogra_> right, we should still allow adb but fully restricted to the phablet user
[10:40] <lool> hmm I feel like we should be able to do everything we need with adb or with SSH
[10:40] <ogra_> and off by default all the time
[10:40] <lool> it seems bad to have two rsh setups
[10:42] <ogra_> adb doesnt have any setup
[10:42] <ogra_> or any control mechanism
[10:42] <ogra_> thats why i woud like to avoid us using it
[10:44] <mamenyaka> are you guys talking about ditching adb?
[10:45] <lool> ogra_: not sure what you mean
[10:45] <lool> ogra_: adb does have fingerprint checks since 4.2.2 or so
[10:45] <lool> we could leverage this
[10:45] <ogra_> i doubt we can without making a lot more mess in the ubuntu side
[10:46] <ogra_> like adding another few users with hardcoded UIDs etc etc
[10:46] <lool> ogra_: completely unrelated, is there some bp on using the android package for the android bits in the cdimage images?
[10:46] <ogra_> yeah,there was
[10:46] <lool> ogra_: Ah I see where you're getting now: adb is either root or specific user and you fear we can't set it up in some generic way
[10:47] <ogra_> yes
[10:47] <lool> ogra_: you know this topic is really quite subtle, I'd really like if you would host a vUDS on it  :-)
[10:47] <ogra_> hmm, k
[10:49] <lool> ogra_: even if the vUDS ends up with adb + SSH, at least we will have a good rationale for things that we should do with adb and things we should do with SSH
[10:49] <xnox> ogra_: cyanogenmod & our andorid builds configure to disable figreprint checks in adb by default.
[10:49] <lool> xnox: which was probably a quick workaround in the face of the addition of the fingerprint checks, but surely we could implement something more correct security-wise?  :)
[10:50] <davmor2> cyphermox: you pingededed
[10:50] <lool> ogra_: like, we could run adb when you plug an usb cable or set some debug switch for the currently logged in user, but stop it when the session ends
[10:50] <lool> just an example
[10:54] <ogra_> mamenyaka, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39048039#post39048039 that was my fix for the SGS2
[10:54] <xnox> lool: at the moment our bootloader is unlocked on nexus devices, that means I can copy the data from all partitions by-passing adb/ssh/login/pin all together. Also format it clean as well.
[10:55] <ogra_> lool, indeed, we can bind it to a udev connect event or something ... but we can do the same with ssh (and the great thing is that we can also use ssh on touch devices that dont have android at all)
[10:57] <mamenyaka> ogra_, thanks, seems like I had bcmdhd_sta.bin instead of bcmdhd_apsta.bin
[10:58]  * popey continues to stab ueventd
[10:58] <lool> xnox: oh yeah, we have many security holes if it's what you point at
[10:58] <lool> xnox: which we'll need to plug at some point
[10:59] <ogra_> lool, well, prior to release would probably not be a bad idea :)
[10:59] <lool> ogra_: again, not opposed to SSH; just would like either SSH for everything or adb for everything, and not sure you or I know all the use cases for adb -- would want some of Ricardo S / Sergio's comments on this move
[10:59] <lool> ogra_: Eh  :-)
[11:00] <ogra_> yeah, i surely dont want to ignore their input
[11:00] <lool> ogra_: FYI, I wrote to security team last week about this, to advice on more general security of the device approach; but I went on leave and now Marc is on leave, so will probably be a next week thing
[11:00] <ogra_> but imho ssh is a proven tested and widley used rsh ... adb well ... i simply dont trus android bits that we run on our side
[11:01] <lool> eh
[11:08] <ogra_> mamenyaka, so does it work now ?
[11:09] <ogra_> hmm, when did diwic vanish
[11:12] <ogra_> jcollado, share-app and phone-app are the next candidates for re-scheduleing on mako
[11:12] <ogra_> (unity8 fifnished fine, thanks)
[11:14] <Necrosporus> I am going to buy a linux based smartphone in near future, but I don't know should it be Tizen, Ubuntu touch, Sailfish or Nokia N9 (have I omitted anything?)
[11:14] <ogra_> Necrosporus, and you came here to get a totally unbiased recommendation ? :)
[11:15] <mamenyaka> ogra_, installing now
[11:15] <Necrosporus> ogra_, well, what would be a channel to get unbiased recomendation?
[11:16] <jcollado> ogra_: psivaa already took care of that
[11:16] <ogra_> psivaa, thanks !
[11:16] <Necrosporus> ogra_, I came here because I expect people from here to have some understanding of all platforms
[11:16] <ogra_> Necrosporus, heh, no idea, but i guess everyone in here will tell you "use ubuntu" ... as everyone in a tizen channel would recommend tizen
[11:16] <psivaa> np
[11:17] <Necrosporus> I do not think so?
[11:22] <mamenyaka> ogra_, I see no APs now
[11:22] <mamenyaka> insmod /system/lib/modules/dhd.ko firmware_path=/system/etc/wifi/bcmdhd_apsta.bin nvram_path=/system/etc/wifi/nvram_net.txt
[11:24] <ogra_> well, check all these paths ... look for alternatives
[11:25] <ogra_> (check if these files are duplicated somewhere etc)
[11:35] <AskUbuntu> Is there any way to install ubuntu on a chinese android device? | http://askubuntu.com/q/335753
[11:36] <mamenyaka> ogra_, I have file like these: bcmdhd_apsta.bin_b1, bcmdhd_apsta.bin_b2
[11:37] <mamenyaka> ogra_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013736/
[11:38] <ogra_> mamenyaka, i meant alternative paths
[11:38] <ogra_> not the same dir :)
[11:38] <ogra_> /vendor ... /system/hw/ whatever ...
[11:38] <davmor2> cyphermox: I'm still not having much look with the nm from people.  I'm going to do a phablet-flash --wipe then reinstall the debs and see what happens then
[11:39] <ogra_> try something like find /system -name bcmdhd*
[11:39] <mamenyaka> ogra_, okay
[11:39] <mamenyaka> ogra_, I don't have find
[11:40] <mamenyaka> nevermind
[11:40] <mamenyaka> I search in $OUT
[11:41] <mamenyaka> ogra_, no other dir contains bcmdhd
[11:41] <ogra_> well, you should have find on the device
[11:41] <ogra_> we ship it by default
[11:41] <ogra_> and i would rather search on the device
[11:41] <mamenyaka> okay
[11:41] <ogra_> also look for nvram
[11:42] <mamenyaka> on device, nvram and bcmdhd only in /etc/wifi
[11:42] <ogra_> nothing in /vendor or anywheer ?
[11:43] <mamenyaka> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013741/
[11:44] <ogra_> /system/lib/modules/dhd.ko exists too at that location ?
[11:45] <ogra_> oh, and did you try with the original setup and phablet-network-setup from an attached laptop before starting to hack on it ?
[11:45] <ogra_> might be a UI issue that it doesnt offer you a WPA password
[11:45] <mamenyaka> yes, I tried
[11:46] <mamenyaka> this issue has been with me from the begginning
[11:46] <mamenyaka> from february/march
[11:46] <mamenyaka> dhd.ko exists
[11:46] <ogra_> so the original setup did list the PAs in the UI ?
[11:46] <mamenyaka> yes
[11:47] <ogra_> *APs
[11:47] <ogra_> well, then rol back to that state
[11:47] <ogra_> *roll
[11:47] <ogra_> and lets look at logs
[11:47] <etron> hello i hawe question can i run ubuntu on samsung ace ???
[11:48] <ogra_> etron, have a look at the devices wikipage if someone ported it already
[11:48] <ogra_> !devices| etron
[11:48] <ogra_> if not i fear you will have to port it yourself
[11:48] <Sicabol> Hi ! I'm trying to create an app with Ubuntu SDK which will need U1DB integration, but I can't "import U1db 1.0 as U1db" as the tutorial says... Is a package required ?
[11:49] <mamenyaka> ogra_, I have this log from a few days ago: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5986581/
[11:49] <etron> tha for help
[11:49] <mamenyaka> ogra_, can I modify the init file so that I don't need to flash again?
[11:55] <ogra_> mamenyaka, sure ... copy it from /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs to /var/lib/lxc/android/overrides and edit as you like ... then reboot
[12:01] <mamenyaka> ogra_, oh great, now hangs on boot
[12:02] <mamenyaka> waiting for surface...
[12:02] <mamenyaka> and sensors
[12:02] <ogra_> yeah, sensors will be the issue
[12:02] <ogra_> how old is your rootfs ?
[12:02] <mamenyaka> it's from current
[12:02] <mamenyaka> so I guess a day old
[12:02] <mamenyaka> 0821
[12:03] <ogra_> yesterday
[12:03] <ogra_> yeah, ancient :P
[12:03] <mamenyaka> hah
[12:03] <ogra_> ok, you can work around that by manually starting the sensorservice
[12:03] <ogra_> android-chroot ...
[12:03] <ogra_> and then just execute sensorservice ...
[12:04] <ogra_> the UI should come up
[12:04] <mamenyaka> how to execute?
[12:04] <mamenyaka> oh
[12:04] <mamenyaka> wait
[12:05] <mamenyaka> android-chroot
[12:05] <mamenyaka> chroot: failed to run command 'sh': No such file or directory
[12:05] <ogra_> oh ?
[12:05] <ogra_> id /system even mounted ?
[12:05] <ogra_> *is
[12:05] <mamenyaka> i have /system
[12:08] <mamenyaka> ogra_, is this it: /dev/mmcblk0p9 on /system type ext4 (ro,noatime,nodiratime,errors=remount-ro)
[12:08] <ogra_> hmm, then you should have a shell
[12:08] <mamenyaka> i have sh
[12:09] <mamenyaka> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# sh
[12:09] <mamenyaka> #
[12:13] <ogra_> no, thats not in the container
[12:14] <ogra_> it looks for /system/bin/sh *inside* the contaienr rootfs
[12:14] <mamenyaka> okay
[12:14] <mamenyaka> rootfs/system is empty
[12:15] <ogra_> rootfs/system ?
[12:15] <ogra_> whats that ?
[12:15] <mamenyaka> /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/system
[12:15] <ogra_> ah, yeah
[12:15] <ogra_> it is supposed to be ... its just a mountpoint
[12:15] <ogra_> /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/system only containse the unpacked initrd ... it is not what is running
[12:16] <ogra_> eth running container rootfs lives in a node in /proc
[12:16] <mamenyaka> oh, I see
[12:16] <ogra_> anyway, what did you edit in your init.rc ?
[12:16] <mamenyaka> just reverted
[12:17] <mamenyaka> two apsta -> sta
[12:17] <ogra_> look for servicemanager in that file
[12:17] <ogra_> err
[12:17] <ogra_> sernsorservice, sorry
[12:18] <mamenyaka> service sensorservice /system/bin/sensorservice
[12:18] <ogra_> change "class late_start" to be "class main"
[12:19] <ogra_> and reboot
[12:19] <mamenyaka> but the wifi insmod is in init.smdk.rc
[12:19] <mamenyaka> okay
[12:19] <ogra_> well, then copy init.rc too :)
[12:22] <ogra_> diwic, so even after a full re-flash i cant take incoming calls (outgoing works OOTB now) ... i dont get why sergiusens can on the same device
[12:22] <cjohnston> sergiusens: ping
[12:23] <sergiusens> cjohnston: pong
[12:23] <sergiusens> ogra_: I can give it another go
[12:24] <cjohnston> sergiusens: I wanted to chat with you about bug #1215209 if you have a second
[12:24] <diwic> ogra_, yeah...the question is how to proceed with debugging this
[12:24] <diwic> also sergiusens had some problems with SMS notifications?
[12:24] <sergiusens> diwic: yes, but I also saw bfiller was talking about that with _salem
[12:25] <sergiusens> diwic: so it might not be related to pulse
[12:25] <mamenyaka> ogra_, done, still te same
[12:25] <ogra_> diwic, sergiusens, sms works just fine for me
[12:26] <sergiusens> ogra_: I get SMS too, but the notifications on OSD are all broken
[12:26] <ogra_> works fine for me
[12:26] <ogra_> well, worked, let me try with todays image :P
[12:26] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah, boiko was adding stuff in there
[12:26] <mamenyaka> ogra_, I have init.rc in the overrides
[12:32] <ogra_> mamenyaka, well, paste /system/bin/logcat -d and alsso the init.smdk.rc and init.rc files
[12:32] <mamenyaka> ogra_, nevermind, will get back to that error, I reinstalled
[12:32] <ogra_> ok
[12:34] <diwic> ogra_, sergiusens a thought - I have a special version of ofono in the pulseaudio image, this was to avoid the audioflinger stuff before it moved to telepathy-ofono
[12:35] <ogra_> oh
[12:35] <diwic> ogra_, sergiusens maybe switching to the "native" version of ofono could make a difference
[12:35] <ogra_> well, we have a sepcial upstart job that sets certain options fr ofono
[12:36] <ogra_> diwic, hmm, pulse has a versioned dep on your ofono version
[12:37] <diwic> ogra_, pulseaudio?
[12:37] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013896/
[12:37] <ogra_> oh
[12:37] <ogra_> ignore me
[12:37] <diwic> yeah, that's just a metapackage
[12:38] <ogra_> yeah
[12:38] <diwic> just add ofono-scripts too
[12:38] <diwic> probably the metapackage will remain
[12:38] <ogra_> i read pulse and my brain made that pulseaudio
[12:39] <ogra_> yeah, works
[12:39] <ogra_> i just noticed i have no network indicator
[12:39]  * ogra_ reboots
[12:39]  * sergiusens reinstalls pulse image
[12:40] <mamenyaka> ogra_, well, reinstall didn't help, so logcat: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013903/
[12:41] <mamenyaka> init.smdk4x12.rc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013908/
[12:41] <mamenyaka> sorry, init.smdk4x12.rc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013910/
[12:41] <mamenyaka> init.rc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013908/
[12:44] <Spii> Hey, my ubuntu-touch port, doesnt boot. This is the last_kmsg: http://dl.xda-developers.com/attachdl/32bc11298ceb1af2a87aa5252f35d095/52160691/2/2/0/5/7/2/1/last_kmsg.txt. Can anyone see a reason why?
[12:45] <xnox> Spii: [  387.491180] unable to open file: /dev/block/mmcblk0p22 hm.... wrong fstab / partition layout?
[12:46] <Spii> That means I should control the <codename>.fstab?
[12:46] <ogra_> no
[12:46] <ogra_> Spii, i assume you port to a flipped image ?
[12:46] <ogra_> (or attempt to)
[12:47] <Spii> yes
[12:47] <ogra_> so that file isnt intresting for you
[12:47] <Spii> So...?
[12:47] <ogra_> ubuntu creates an fstab on first boot on the ubuntu side ... if that doesnt happen the container wont boot
[12:48] <Spii> Okay, but how to solve that?
[12:48] <popey> ogra_: seen this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013927/
[12:49] <ogra_> Spii, if you are in adb in the initrd: ls /dev/disk/by-name and ls /dev/disk/by-partlabel would be intresting
[12:50] <Spii> okay
[12:50] <ogra_> popey, yes, known limitation of the system image
[12:50] <ogra_> apt doesnt work
[12:50] <ogra_> (well, essentially dpkg doesnt work)
[12:50] <popey> ah
[12:51] <ogra_> (apt is just the fallout)
[12:51] <mamenyaka> ogra_, reinstalled, APs now showing
[12:51] <mamenyaka> what do you need?
[12:51] <ogra_> well, do you have a laptop with working wlan ?
[12:51] <mamenyaka> connected to it
[12:52] <ogra_> if so, use sudo phablet-network-setup while the device is attached and booted
[12:52] <mamenyaka> should I clone the network
[12:52] <ogra_> yeah
[12:52] <mamenyaka> is it okay if I use the SDK?
[12:52] <ogra_> not sure
[12:53] <ogra_> it should work, i knwo for sure that phablet-network-setup works when run manually
[12:53] <diwic> ogra_, btw, have you made a basic recording test, when not on voice calls, just using, say "parecord /tmp/foo.wav" and then playing it back to see if your voice was recorded?
[12:53] <mamenyaka> okay, done
[12:53] <ogra_> diwic, not yet, no
[12:53] <ogra_> mamenyaka, well, the device should connect now
[12:53] <mamenyaka> ogra_, trying to connect*
[12:53] <ogra_> and you should see an ip for wlan0 in ifconfig in adb shell
[12:53] <ogra_> you shouldnt need to do anything
[12:53] <diwic> ogra_, when you get a moment, feel free to do so
[12:54] <diwic> ogra_, just another thing that should work
[12:54] <ogra_> diwic, will do, i'm just cross checking with the normal image now if the phoone app comes up there
[12:54] <diwic> ogra_, ack, thanks
[12:54] <mamenyaka> [  184.005981] c0 CFG80211-TRACE) wl_escan_handler : SCAN COMPLETED: scanned AP count=1
[12:54] <mamenyaka> [  184.011600] c0 dhd_wl_ioctl: WLC_IOCTL: cmd: 23, ret = -17
[12:54] <mamenyaka> [  184.356357] c0 connect failed event=0 e->status 1 e->reason 0
[12:54] <mamenyaka> [  184.356393] c0 CFG80211-INFO2) wl_bss_connect_done : Report connect result - connection failed
[12:55] <mamenyaka> ogra_, still not connecting,
[12:55] <ogra_> anything in syslog or demsg ?
[12:55] <ogra_> oh
[12:56] <ogra_> did you google for that error ?
[12:56] <ogra_> this seems extremely driver specific, hard to fix
[12:56] <mamenyaka> what should I google?
[12:56] <ogra_> but i bet others have seen it before
[12:56] <davmor2> cyphermox: ping
[12:57] <ogra_> your wlan card device name plus something from the above error message
[12:57] <ogra_> and probably "android" or some such
[12:57] <ogra_> be creative ;)
[12:57] <mamenyaka> syslog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013959/
[12:58] <Spii> ogra_ : in /dev/disk there is only: by-id, by-path and by-uuid
[12:59] <ogra_> Spii, hmm, could it be that yoour device is a little older (and uses ext3 partitions) ?
[13:00] <Spii> ogra_ nope, my device is a htc one s (villec2)
[13:00] <Spii> 1 year old
[13:00] <ogra_> Spii, hmm, weird, well, it doesnt seem to have any partition labels
[13:01] <ogra_> that means you need to modify your kernel cmdline and put something like "datapart=/dev/foo/bar/baz (whatever the path to your /data partition is)" in there
[13:01] <ogra_> the initrd should use that for mounting the rootfs
[13:02] <mamenyaka> ogra_, the WiFi section from the makefile: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013972/
[13:03] <ogra_> mamenyaka, did you try with bcmdhd_sta ?
[13:03] <mamenyaka> that was my default
[13:03] <mamenyaka> using it now
[13:03] <ogra_> i dont think you can easily find a solution by digging the build scripts
[13:03] <ogra_> only by finding others with the same issue ...
[13:04] <ogra_> (i only found the SGS2 fix by accident and with a lot of googling too)
[13:04] <popey> ogra_: i keep breaking things today ㋛ http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013984/
[13:04] <popey> ERROR:phablet-flash:Command 'adb shell mkdir /cache/recovery' returned non-zero exit status 255
[13:04] <mamenyaka> yes, but your fix was insmod related
[13:04] <popey> its stuck at the google screen
[13:05] <ogra_> mamenyaka, well, i startd from some error message similar to you :)
[13:05] <davmor2> ogra_: very nice touch on the new n-m indicator when there is no connection is disappears so switch to 3g and watch it vanish :D
[13:05] <ogra_> popey, not my area of expertise yet ... thats all stgraber land
[13:05] <mamenyaka> ogra_, believe me I googled everything I could come up with
[13:05] <ogra_> mamenyaka, google more :)
[13:06] <mamenyaka> hah, thanks
[13:06] <ogra_> it took me two days to even get close to the issue
[13:06] <mamenyaka> ogra_, but can't I just play with the insmod combinations?
[13:06] <ogra_> and i would consider myself rather experienced, so estimate a lot more :)
[13:06] <ogra_> sure you can
[13:06] <mamenyaka> how do I unload a module?
[13:06] <didrocks> barry: hey! around?
[13:07] <mamenyaka> ogra_, got I, I just tend to ask before trying to google
[13:08]  * popey tickles stgraber with http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013984/
[13:09] <barry> didrocks: hi
[13:10] <didrocks> barry: do you have time for a quick chat, in like 10 minutes?
[13:10] <didrocks> (hangout)
[13:10] <Spii> ogra_ sry, but can you explain where I have to put in "datapart=/dev/foo/bar/baz (whatever the path to your /data partition is)" ?
[13:11] <barry> didrocks: i could chat, but need a bit more time.  are you okay in 50m? (1400 utc)
[13:11] <didrocks> barry: I have a meeting at that time, 14:30 then
[13:11] <barry> didrocks: col
[13:11] <barry> *cool
[13:12] <davmor2> popey: you don't tickle stgraber, you blow paperballs at the back of his neck through your emptied biro ;)
[13:12] <didrocks> barry: continuing to fix a little bit the mock then :)
[13:13] <ogra_> Spii, well, whatever the direct path to the partition is that holds /data on your device
[13:13] <stgraber> popey: hmm, that looks like a race in phablet-flash (trying to create/copy stuff in the recovery environment before the phone is actually ready)
[13:13] <stgraber> sergiusens: ^
[13:14] <sergiusens> stgraber: what device?
[13:14] <popey> mako
[13:15] <sergiusens> stgraber: it's not really a race, I just have no reliable way to know if recovery is ready
[13:16] <sergiusens> popey: I can fix that
[13:16] <rickspencer3> popey, ogra_ so I installed the authenticator app some days ago, but it seems to be uninstalled now
[13:17] <rickspencer3> should I see it in /usr/share/applications/ ?
[13:17] <rickspencer3> installed with apt-get from the ppa
[13:17] <popey> rickspencer3: have you re-flashed?
[13:17] <ogra_> rickspencer3, hmm, no idea, theoretically it should ship a .desktop file in that path, yeah
[13:17] <rickspencer3> popey, I did phablet-flash cdimage or whatever
[13:18] <ogra_> ah
[13:18] <popey> yeah, you lose apps when you do that
[13:18] <popey> that's like installing from an ubuntu cd
[13:18] <rickspencer3> oh
[13:18] <ogra_> well, that only preserves the user home and the netwrok setup
[13:18] <rickspencer3> gotcha
[13:18] <sergiusens> only click apps would be preserved (soon)
[13:18] <ogra_> click will solve that :)
[13:18] <popey> i have a "post-install" script I run to re-install everything after flashing
[13:18] <popey> (and set timezone etc)
[13:18] <ogra_> and store the debs in home ?
[13:19] <mamenyaka> ogra_, and what about the stuck on boot after restart?
[13:19] <sergiusens> ogra_: dpkg dump and load can solve that
[13:19] <ogra_> yeah
[13:19] <rickspencer3> I'm not sure it's a problem worth solving atm
[13:19] <sergiusens> but not in the path we are headed
[13:19] <popey> sergiusens: want a bug filed?
[13:19] <sergiusens> popey: ok
[13:19] <rickspencer3> rather, focus on click apps, imo
[13:19] <ogra_> mamenyaka, well, theoretically the moving of sensorservice should fix that
[13:19] <mamenyaka> moving?
[13:19] <sergiusens> rickspencer3: the apt-get/dpkg path won't work with ubuntu image based upgrade systems
[13:19] <ogra_> (in the init.rc)
[13:20] <sergiusens> so it's a no go
[13:20] <ogra_> mamenyaka, from late_start to main
[13:20] <mamenyaka> i had it change to class main
[13:20] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, right
[13:20] <rickspencer3> so, I can just reinstall apps from the ppa until next week ;)
[13:21] <popey> sergiusens: https://bugs.launchpad.net/phablet-tools/+bug/1215436
[13:22] <mamenyaka> ogra_, I pasted the things (init.rc, logcat, etc)
[13:22] <ogra_> mamenyaka, yes, but that wont help the wifi issue
[13:22] <sergiusens> popey: thanks
[13:22] <mamenyaka> yes, but the not booting issue is now bigger
[13:23] <ogra_> well, i have no other idea, usually moving sensorservice to main works
[13:23] <Kaleo> mibofra: hey, thanks!
[13:23] <mibofra> Kaleo, of what xD ?
[13:23] <sergiusens> diwic: ogra_ regarding incoming calls, can you run  /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-calls while the call is incoming? run it a couple of times (loop it if you want) and let it ring for a bit
[13:24] <mamenyaka> ogra_, so I am screwed twice
[13:24] <sergiusens> ogra_: if the call State = incoming it's a notification issue
[13:24] <ogra_> sergiusens, i'm just re-flashing (since over 20min, it shoudl eb done soon)
[13:24] <diwic> sergiusens, do you want me to test this on N4 too?
[13:24] <sergiusens> diwic: if incoming calls work for you, not needed
[13:24] <ogra_> well, on n4 incoming obviously works
[13:25] <diwic> ok
[13:26] <Kaleo> mibofra: wrong nick :)
[13:26] <Kaleo> Mirv: thanks!
[13:26] <mibofra> Kaleo, np :)
[13:26] <Laney> mpt: Is "sleep when idle" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityAndPrivacySettings#Phone the same as "auto sleep" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Power#Phone ?
[13:30] <mpt> Laney, good catch, their text should be in sync. Fixing now...
[13:30] <rsalveti> ogra_: lool: for adb I believe for now we'd only need to disable it by default, and think about a way to enable it if needed
[13:30] <rsalveti> adb is still quite useful for device debugging, port forwarding and such, so once we have an easy way to enable/disable it, we should be fine for now
[13:30] <Laney> mpt: IOW I'd hope to be able to just go to that UI instead of implementing it again
[13:31] <Laney> assuming they are the same thing
[13:31] <ogra_> rsalveti, we really really dont want a fully open root account
[13:32] <Laney> mardy: can you think of a clever (not to difficult to implement) way to go to a subpage of a panel in u-s-s?
[13:32] <ogra_> it has to become fully unprivileged and imho adb root needs to become a no-op
[13:32] <Laney> or should I just hardcode the url?
[13:32] <rsalveti> ogra_: I'm fine having it running as phablet, if we can change that
[13:32] <ogra_> and even then it will be hard to judge its security
[13:33] <ogra_> rsalveti, we can for some other penalty ... like kardcoding the user in adbd or have a shell user in the system ... neither seems great
[13:33] <rsalveti> right
[13:33] <mpt> Laney, sorry, meeting now, I'll finish fixing it in half an hour
[13:33] <Laney> mpt: np
[13:33] <Laney> as long as you say they are supposed to be the same I don't really mind what the spec says for now
[13:33] <rsalveti> just because we still need to use adb when enabling a new device, or debugging why mir isn't coming up for example
[13:34] <rsalveti> in cases we don't have network access
[13:34] <ogra_> rsalveti, also adbd wont work on x86 tablets ... so you could never use the sdk in that scenario if we 100% rely on adb
[13:34] <rsalveti> ogra_: why wouldn't it run on x86?
[13:34] <ogra_> thats why i propose to have usbnet enabled instead and a specially configured ssh listen on that device
[13:35] <rsalveti> not sure how much more secure the usbnet option would be
[13:35] <ogra_> rsalveti, you wouldnt even have the gadget on an x86 generic kernel, how would it ?
[13:35] <rsalveti> right, but when saying x86 tablet I'm assuming it's an android based device as well
[13:35] <ogra_> i dont
[13:35] <rsalveti> at least for now
[13:36] <ogra_> we will very likely have ubuntu touch based x86 (former win8) tablets in 14.04
[13:36] <ogra_> and the sdk should work with them
[13:36] <ogra_> which it wont in the current design
[13:36] <rsalveti> right, that could be an option as well, but would be similar to arm
[13:36] <rsalveti> for !android based devices
[13:36] <ogra_> i would like the sdk to operate a lot less HW specific
[13:37] <rsalveti> right, that's why android proposes it's own usb gadget driver
[13:37] <rsalveti> it's a requirement for android
[13:37] <ogra_> yes
[13:37] <T3ss0> hello pplz
[13:37] <mamenyaka> ogra_, anything to check why it's not booting?
[13:38] <rsalveti> ogra_: lool: want to have a session around that topic for uds?
[13:38] <T3ss0> anyone can give me a hand installing ubuntu-touch on nexus 7?
[13:38] <ogra_> rsalveti, anyway, i think 100% relying on adb with the sdk is the wrong approach and we should work out a more generic way
[13:38] <T3ss0> im having some issues
[13:38] <ogra_> rsalveti, yes, i'll register a BP and run a session
[13:38] <mamenyaka> T3ss0, what issues?
[13:38] <rsalveti> ogra_: right, indeed, just don't know what generic way we could use for 13.10 :-)
[13:38] <rsalveti> yet
[13:38] <ogra_> (that discussion is going on by mail since a while)
[13:38] <rsalveti> awesome
[13:38] <T3ss0> mamenyaka: im running cyanogen 10.3
[13:38] <rsalveti> still behind my email
[13:38] <ogra_> rsalveti, usbnet and ssh :)
[13:38] <rsalveti> jumped in the fire
[13:38] <ogra_> cant be more generic
[13:39] <T3ss0> i did the steps on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[13:39] <mamenyaka> there is no cyanogen 10.3
[13:39] <T3ss0> mamenyaka: but it keeps booting on cyanogem
[13:39] <rsalveti> ogra_: yeah, we just need to think a bit more how to set that up to avoid similar security issues
[13:39] <T3ss0> mamenyaka: sorry, 10.2
[13:39] <ogra_> and ssh on a specific "sdk" port ... only attached to the usb0 device ... login disabled and only allow exactly one key that the sdk generates for you
[13:39] <mamenyaka> T3ss0,  how did you install ubuntu-touch?
[13:40] <rsalveti> right
[13:40] <T3ss0> mamenyaka: did step 1, it was already unlocked, did Step 4...
[13:40] <ogra_> diwic, sergiusens, confirmed, my maguro doesnt start the phone app at all on incoming calls
[13:40] <ogra_> rsalveti, ^^^
[13:40] <ogra_> even with the default image
[13:41] <diwic> ogra_, oh
[13:41] <T3ss0> mamenyaka: and it didnt work, clockmod said something sbout rom manager 4.0.0.0
[13:41] <mamenyaka> T3ss0, just donwload the two zips, reboot into recovery, wipe, flash, that's all
[13:41] <ogra_> rsalveti, any idea how to debug that ?
[13:41] <ogra_> outgoing and SMS work like a charm
[13:41] <rsalveti> ogra_: first to check if ofono is indeed propagating the call
[13:41] <ogra_> yes
[13:41] <ogra_> the screen turns on
[13:41] <T3ss0> mamenyaka: ok.. brb
[13:41] <rsalveti> oh, hm
[13:41] <ogra_> i just dont get the OSD
[13:41] <ogra_> and there is no phone app
[13:41] <rsalveti> salem_: boiko_: ^^?
[13:41] <ogra_> opening the app then doesnt attach me to the call either
[13:42] <ogra_> there is also no ringtone
[13:42] <davmor2> tedg: is that a new nm-indicator I see before me?
[13:42] <ogra_> davmor2, should
[13:42] <rsalveti> salem_ would probably know better to to trace that to see if it's app or anything in telepathy
[13:42] <ogra_> whee i see click packages
[13:43] <salem_> ogra_, can you ps ax | grep approver?
[13:43] <davmor2> ogra_: is that like seeing dead people?
[13:43] <ogra_> salem_, nothing
[13:43] <ogra_> davmor2, better !
[13:43] <ogra_> i can even install them ... do that with dead people :P
[13:43] <salem_> ogra_, try running phone-app-approver manually and try again
[13:44] <ogra_> salem_, as root or phablet ?
[13:44] <salem_> ogra_, phablet
[13:44] <davmor2> ogra_, tedg: the little padlock isn't very clear in the indicator but becomes way more clear on draging the indicator down and seeing the larger image.
[13:45] <ogra_> salem_, no change in behavior
[13:45] <ogra_> screen lights up on incoming call, but no ringtone or OSD or phone app
[13:45] <tedg> davmor2, Hmm, that might be a bug.  I don't think we're supposed to do that for secure networks.
[13:46] <tedg> I think it's only for VPNs.
[13:46] <tedg> davmor2, But, yes :-)
[13:46] <ogra_> heh, but the mailbox notification SMS works :)
[13:46] <seb128> jdstrand, hey
[13:47] <seb128> jdstrand, do you know if "encryption" is on the 13.10/v1 roadmap? and how it's going to work?
[13:47] <jdstrand> seb128: it is not. it is for 14.04
[13:47] <seb128> jdstrand, the system settings design has a switch to enable/disable encryption, in the screen locking section, trying to figure out what that means for us
[13:48] <seb128> jdstrand, ok, I guess we should just hide the widget meanwhile then
[13:48] <seb128> mpt, Laney: ^
[13:48] <jdstrand> yeah, for now
[13:48] <Laney> I like the sound of that
[13:48] <Laney> ta
[13:49] <jdstrand> we don't know what it will look like yet. there are essentially two options atm, but mdeslaur, tyhicks, the security team, et al need to hash that all out. it's on the 14.04 PRD so we haven't been focusing on it
[13:50] <salem_> ogra_, just a moment. I can help you debug that in about 10 minutes.
[13:50] <ogra_> ok, no hurry
[13:50] <ogra_> i wont go anywhere
[13:52] <lool> rsalveti: Yup, I wanted to have you in such a session
[13:52] <rsalveti> sure
[13:52] <lool> rsalveti: Ah I see you werent in the thread; let me fwd to you
[13:53] <asac> jcollado: hey ... you ythink you coiuld do the same service for mako/maguro touch_ro?
[13:53] <asac> e.g. check if ueventd is going crazy and retry?
[13:53] <asac> if not today... maybe from tomorrow?
[13:54] <mamenyaka> ogra_, how is that if I insmod with bcmdhd_sta.bin or bcmdhd_p2p.bin, both work, but bcmdhd_apsta.bin can't see APs, what are these files anyway?
[13:54] <seb128> jdstrand, thanks
[13:54] <lool> rsalveti: added to your email pile   :-P
[13:55] <rsalveti> lool: thanks :-)
[13:56] <seb128> tedg, mardy, Laney, mpt, kenvandine, didrocks: does any of you has things to discuss at the settings meeting? I would suggest we skip this one, seems everybody is crazy busy on landing stuff before end of month/ff
[13:57] <didrocks> seb128: sounds good
[13:57] <seb128> but we can have a quick meeting if any of you has something they want to discuss
[13:57] <tedg> seb128, Works for me.  My house is loud as well :-)
[13:57] <Laney> I was going to suggest that we might want to have a vUDS session or other discussion figuring out where we are with backends
[13:57] <seb128> Laney, vUDS sounds good
[13:57] <tedg> seb128, The only thing I wanted to bring up is airplane mode.
[13:57] <kenvandine> seb128, nothing for me
[13:58] <tedg> seb128, I think that lool and awe are defining that, so it's not going to be an indicator-network backend thing.
[13:58] <Laney> ok I'll make a bp
[13:58] <seb128> tedg, that's out of the settings scope, lool said that we need a system service for that, not sure anyone is assigned to it though
[13:58] <seb128> tedg, right
[13:58] <lool> awe: ^
[13:58] <jcollado> asac: Currently my focus is on writing test cases. The best person for that probably would be psivaa or plars.
[13:58] <lool> seb128, tedg: It's lead by awe+cyphermox
[13:58] <lool> cyphermox: ^
[13:59] <seb128> tedg, mardy, Laney, mpt, kenvandine, didrocks: skipping that meeting then, let's get work done, thanks
[13:59] <seb128> lool, ok
[13:59] <lool> albeit I dont remember whether we have a bp for it
[13:59] <tedg> seb128, Yes, but I think that you had a doc that said "dependent on indicator-network" which isn't quite right.
[13:59] <lool> I remember that when I wanted to create one, Tony had a gdoc for it
[13:59] <awe> lool, not much done on it since our meeting.   I have a meeting in 2m
[13:59] <seb128> tedg, by then I though that would be coming from the indicator, feel free to change that
[13:59] <lool> awe: on this topic?
[13:59] <awe> no
[13:59] <plars> asac: I thought we agreed we would not retry for the ueventd problem
[13:59] <mardy> seb128: yep, I've not been working on SystemSettings this week (or the few before this, for that matter :-) )
[13:59] <awe> x-distro ofono
[13:59] <lool> awe: is there a bp for it?
[13:59] <lool> cyphermox: ^
[14:00] <awe> lool, I registered a blueprint, but haven't moved any of the info over
[14:00] <awe> lool, but let's pick this up after my meeting
[14:00] <seb128> mardy, tedg: the only thing I had on my list, is that we are going to need the unitymenumodel support soon for wifi and stuff
[14:00] <lool> awe: ok, if you could fish the URL that'd be nice
[14:00] <ogra_> lool, rsalveti i created a blueprint an subscribed both of you
[14:00] <lool> awe: should we sync on this later today or tomorrow?
[14:00] <seb128> mardy, tedg: but I guess you guys are tracking that
[14:00] <lool> today is hard for me actually
[14:00] <plars> asac: the thinking was that it's a known bug, and should be fixed rather than retrying until we get lucky and don't hit it
[14:00]  * lool hugs ogra_ 
[14:00] <cyphermox> can I get a bit more context?
[14:00] <lool> cyphermox: airplane mode
[14:00] <cyphermox> ah
[14:00] <ogra_> mamenyaka, they define different modes the device runs in
[14:00] <cyphermox> urgh
[14:01] <rsalveti> ogra_: thanks
[14:01] <lool> cyphermox: "^" is context aka "read the last 10k lines of scrollback!"   ;-)
[14:01] <awe> lool, I'll post it afterwards
[14:01] <lool> cyphermox: j/k
[14:01]  * ogra_ guesses asac wants to be in the discussion too
[14:01] <cyphermox> lool: yeah :D
[14:01] <mamenyaka> ogra_, thank you
[14:01] <tedg> seb128, mardy and I haven't talked, but we should.  I expect to start looking seriously into that today.  Assuming nothing else gets deprecated this morning.
[14:01] <seb128> tedg, things should be stable for the day I think :p
[14:02] <awe> cyphermox, are you joining the x-distro hangout?
[14:02]  * tedg is going to hold seb128 to that :-)
[14:02] <cyphermox> awe: sorry, no after all\
[14:02] <cyphermox> I'll let you handle it, and try to get a bit of work done on MTP in the meantime
[14:03] <asac> plars: the ueventd issue is understood and properly prioritized... no need to hide the test results if we can get the real one by retrying... after all we get reminded every day
[14:03] <asac> otherwise we leave the app developer in the dark about whether his app still works right etc.
[14:04]  * asac on call
[14:04] <ogra_> oh, the 0822 image looks good test wise
[14:04] <plars> asac: it's going to take up a lot of time to be retrying all these tests, if you are suggesting that we hide the bad result of ueventd every time it fails, we would be better off working around it by killing ueventd
[14:05] <plars> asac: but the whole reason for *not* doing that was so that this problem would come to the forefront
[14:05] <plars> asac: if we just continually retry the tests everytime it fails, it's the worst of both - costly in time, and hides the failure
[14:06] <ogra_> plars, you would have to retry them anyway ... its just easier to spot them now
[14:06] <ogra_> with the systemsettle test ...
[14:06] <plars> ogra_: not if we kill ueventd and force it to come back without the 100% cpu usage
[14:06] <asac> plars: its going to be fixed very soon
[14:06] <ogra_> oh, well, but then yoou cant be sure all your HW works
[14:06] <asac> i think we survive until then
[14:06] <mhall119> dholbach: when is the porting clinic?
[14:06] <ogra_> its only a few more days
[14:06] <ogra_> mhall119, its running already
[14:07] <tedg> seb128, It looks like the deprecation patch is going to miss the 4-daily build?  Can we delay and/or run the stack again?
[14:07] <ogra_> mhall119, want to port anything ?
[14:07] <mhall119> ogra_: cool, do we have anybody working on the Find 5?
[14:07] <ogra_> not that i know of
[14:07] <mhall119> ogra_: I want to test other people's ports
[14:07] <seb128> tedg, we can re-run again yes
[14:07] <plars> asac: the good news is that I heard from IS just a bit ago, and they confirmed that they are going to work on the router today. So hopefully today or tomorrow we should have a clear path outside
[14:08] <seb128> tedg, trying to get CI to behave first, some of the hooks there are buggy, fginther should have sorted them out by now, let's see if it works
[14:08] <tedg> seb128, understand.  Just want to see this stuff make it to archive :-)
[14:08] <seb128> yeah, me too
[14:09] <ogra_> mhall119, porting to the find requires you to have that device ... i think the price should be something else, else you only attrac a very small fraction of devs (i have a find and want a second one *and* am a developer who understands  enough) :)
[14:10] <asac> plars: nice
[14:10] <ogra_> mhall119, or is the plan to send them a find for porting ?
[14:10] <T3ss0> mamenyaka: entered in recovery, wiped factory reset and dalvik
[14:10] <mamenyaka> T3ss0, great
[14:10] <T3ss0> mamenyaka: what do you mean by flash
[14:10] <mhall119> ogra_: the thing is, we already have a Find 5 to give away, so it would be easier to find a better contest than a better prize
[14:10] <mamenyaka> install zip
[14:10] <T3ss0> mamenyaka: install zip from sd card? and choose them?
[14:11] <mamenyaka> T3ss0,
[14:11] <T3ss0> mamenyaka: any order?
[14:11] <mamenyaka> yes
[14:11] <mamenyaka> T3ss0, first the small one
[14:11] <ogra_> mhall119, well, but doing a port without the HW is really hard ...
[14:11] <mhall119> ogra_: currently I'm taking any and all builds and trying them on it
[14:11] <mhall119> and the first one that works gets the phone
[14:11] <ogra_> so that means you either need to send them the device or find one who wants a second one
[14:11] <mamenyaka> T3ss0, with your device name in it, then the large one
[14:11] <dhirez> hy all.
[14:11] <mhall119> ogra_: or option C, I do all the hardware parts for them
[14:11] <mhall119> it's slow and annoying, yes
[14:12] <T3ss0> mamenyaka:  ok
[14:12] <T3ss0> mamenyaka: installing
[14:12] <ogra_> well, go ahead, happy to help :)
[14:12] <T3ss0> mamenyaka: did the first.. now the other one, the armhf
[14:13] <mamenyaka> yes
[14:14] <T3ss0> mamenyaka: IF, i need to get back to cyanogen, just wipe and restore the backup in CMW?
[14:16] <mamenyaka> T3ss0, yes
[14:17] <T3ss0> mamenyaka: done installing, now booting..
[14:17] <mamenyaka> ogra_, this is the output I get when insmodding: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6014189/
[14:18] <ogra_> mamenyaka, try varying the nvram file you have so many :)
[14:18] <mamenyaka> kay
[14:19] <mamenyaka> okay
[14:19] <ogra_> the dirver itself looks kind of ok
[14:19] <T3ss0> mamenyaka, Thank you very much.. worked like a charm :)
[14:20] <mamenyaka> ogra_, okay, I am going to kill myself again
[14:20] <ogra_> nahhh
[14:20] <mamenyaka> ogra_, THANK YOU!
[14:20] <ogra_> dont
[14:20] <ogra_> :)
[14:21] <asteryx> Hi all, I want to try to port to my RAZR I. Recommend please that you can read? preferably on the Russian or Ukrainian language. tnx
[14:21] <mamenyaka> wl_bss_connect_done succeeded with 6a:08:b6
[14:21] <ogra_> congrats :)
[14:21] <ogra_> asteryx, i fear we only have english documentation
[14:21] <mamenyaka> so it turns out I needed the nvram_net.txt_murata file
[14:24] <sergiusens> rsalveti: can you commit back the changelog to ubuntu-touch-session manager?
[14:25] <rsalveti> sergiusens: sorry, not sure I'm following
[14:26] <rsalveti> but I noticed I forgot to push the release commit
[14:27] <rsalveti> pushed
[14:28] <sergiusens> rsalveti: yeah, that!
[14:28] <sergiusens> :)
[14:28] <ogra_> silly bzr stuff :P
[14:29] <ogra_> how nice was the world when we only had source debs :P
[14:29] <rsalveti> hahaha
[14:32] <mamenyaka> ogra_, what was the fix or sound?
[14:32] <mamenyaka> or*
[14:32] <mamenyaka> for*
[14:32] <sergiusens> rsalveti: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/session-manager-touch/install_clicks/+merge/181568
[14:33] <sergiusens> rsalveti: only thing I'm not sure about there is the 'preinstalled_path'
[14:33] <ogra_> mamenyaka, there is none atm. we will switch soon to a new pulseaudio that should make it easier though
[14:33] <mamenyaka> okay
[14:34] <mamenyaka> I just remembrd soethng with pulseaduo
[14:34] <sergiusens> rsalveti: oh and the sync with unity8
[14:34] <sergiusens> forgot to push that :-/
[14:35] <ogra_> mamenyaka, i expect us to have topic based porting clinics in the future, once the new pulse setup is in we will do a sound porting touch clinic and tie diwic to his chair to answer and help for a day :)
[14:36] <diwic> ogra_, I'm thinking I should perhaps write a blog post about how things will work (and how it affects porters)
[14:36] <ogra_> ++
[14:36] <mamenyaka> for my sony device, audio is working fine
[14:37] <asteryx> ogra_, Well, at least something. Let in English
[14:39] <barry> didrocks: ready when you are
[14:40] <daker> Q: does the touch image comes with gstreamer installed ?
[14:40] <mamenyaka> ogra_, and about the env QML_DISABLE_DISTANCEFIELD=1?
[14:41] <ogra_> daker, yes
[14:41] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ dpkg -l|grep gstreamer|wc -l
[14:41] <ogra_> 7
[14:41] <daker> ogra_: and the plugins ?
[14:42] <didrocks> barry: translating something in plurial and coming
[14:43] <ogra_> daker, i see -base and -good installed and i know there is jhodapp who is doing work on a HW accelerated getreamer plugin for us
[14:44] <daker> ogra_: i am wrote an app that uses gstreamer to play streams
[14:45] <lool> barry: didrocks told me he found some issues in the mock and updated it
[14:45] <lool> barry: it seems his code is now mostly complete; seb128 and him were discussing
[14:45] <lool> barry: how much are you through the backend impl?
[14:46] <mfisch> ogra_: how often are the boot images built?
[14:46] <barry> lool: i saw some edits to the wiki page, but was waiting on didrocks to discuss.  updating the mock is fine.  live service is coming along.  maybe done today (although i am supposed to patch pilot today, so we'll see)
[14:46] <didrocks> barry: coming in 2 minutes :)
[14:47] <seb128> barry, delaying patch piloting to tomorrow is fine
[14:47] <barry> yeah
[14:47] <seb128> barry, we should get that stuff done before didrocks is on holidays if possible
[14:47] <lool> was about to say that
[14:48] <dednick> ogra_: ubuntu-touch held back on phone upgrade...
[14:48] <barry> let's get the mocks squared away and then i can finish up the live service, and make sure the two have compatible behavior
[14:48] <dednick> ogra_: but new unity is being installed, so now we have no network indicator!
[14:49] <lool> ralsina: sorry, not sure why it wouldn't complete
[14:49] <ralsina> lool: no problem :-)
[14:49] <lool> ralsina: I must have typoed or something
[14:49] <lool> ralsina: so some issues with click-scope with latest r/o image
[14:49] <lool> ralsina: if I search for hello world click, it finds it and shows download progress up to 100%
[14:50] <ralsina> lool: good
[14:50] <lool> then it just stops there and app scope is dead on home screen
[14:50] <lool> after reboot the app isn't there
[14:50] <lool> I saw some logs
[14:50] <ralsina> lool: can you pastebin the logs?
[14:50] <lool> tried to wget the click and click install it myself, I see the click got unpacked but can't find the .desktop file
[14:50] <mfisch> ogra_: asking because I expected to see a feature land in the initramfs that was pushed yesterday afternoon (my time)
[14:50] <jhodapp> daker, I'll be landing a new hardware accelerated gstreamer backend in the very near future
[14:51] <lool> ralsina: that's the end of the log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6014272/
[14:51] <daker> jhodapp: thanks!
[14:51] <jhodapp> daker: QtMultimedia will be able to sit on top of it and I highly recommend that you use this API for your app
[14:51] <ralsina> lool: ok, checking
[14:51] <lool> ralsina: I think it shows up to the relevant part where download completed and install starts
[14:51] <daker> jhodapp: with QtMultimedia i am unable to streammetadata...
[14:52] <lool> ralsina: to test installation manually, I wget-ed https://public.apps.ubuntu.com/download/ar.com.beuno/hello-world/ar.com.beuno.hello-world-0.2.click?noauth=1
[14:52] <daker> jhodapp: i mean the audio component
[14:52] <lool> and then ran click install --user phablet on it with --force-missing-framework or something like that
[14:52] <lool> but didn't find where the .desktop file was meant to be
[14:52] <ralsina> lool: somewhere in ~/.local
[14:53] <jhodapp> daker: I see, yeah it's limited in what it can do compared to calling directly into gstreamer's API...we'll be addressing limitations like this in future versions
[14:53] <jhodapp> daker: what does your app do?
[14:53] <beuno> lool, that manifest file is old format
[14:53] <ralsina> lool: but this looks to me like the download and install worked but the app still has the old manifest
[14:53] <ralsina> right, what beuno said
[14:53] <beuno> lool, let me get you a proper one
[14:53] <ralsina> beuno: I thought you uploaded the good one to production?
[14:53] <didrocks> barry: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/ubuntu-system-image/small-modifs/+merge/181580
[14:54] <lool> beuno: Ah you thought that broke it?
[14:54] <lool> beuno: Could you pull it off the store?
[14:54] <beuno> ralsina, https://public.apps.ubuntu.com/download/com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119/xda-developers-app/com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119.xda-developers-app-0.1.4.click?noauth=1
[14:54] <mhall119> ^^ that one works
[14:54] <mhall119> though you won't get an icon
[14:54] <lool> ralsina: right, checked the source and location is ~/.local/share/applications
[14:54] <lool> but this doens't exist
[14:54] <beuno> lool, I can, although I'd rather push an updated and fixed version
[14:54] <ralsina> lool: if that doesn't exist when installing manually, that's a click installer bug
[14:54] <beuno> er
[14:54] <beuno> lool, https://public.apps.ubuntu.com/download/com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119/xda-developers-app/com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119.xda-developers-app-0.1.4.click?noauth=1
[14:54] <beuno> that'll do it
[14:56] <daker> jhodapp: here is a video http://bit.ly/15dbO55
[14:56] <lool> ** (process:2009): WARNING **: Unable to read directory '/home/phablet/.local/share/applications': Error opening directory '/home/phablet/.local/share/applications': No such file or directory
[14:56] <lool> ** (process:2009): WARNING **: Unable to write out desktop file to '/home/phablet/.local/share/applications/com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119.xda-developers-app_xda-developers_0.1.4.desktop': Failed to create file '/home/phablet/.local/share/applications/com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119.xda-developers-app_xda-developers_0.1.4.desktop.Z0H21W': No such file or directory
[14:56] <lool> seems that click expects the dir to exists
[14:56] <lool> beuno: thanks
[14:57] <sergiusens> Stskeeps: got your last comment there, that's the goal, but would be good to have something in the future that says -> e.g.; breaks jolla too
[14:57] <Stskeeps> yep
[14:57] <rsalveti> urgh, just got disconnected
[14:57] <OrokuSaki> So I finally got everything working lastnight... and now I cannot get surfaceflinger to start?
[14:57] <rsalveti> but I think the call is done already
[14:57] <rsalveti> thanks guys :-)
[14:58] <sergiusens> rsalveti: it's DONE
[14:58] <jhodapp> daker: ok, so for your app I'd recommend using QtMultimedia for actual audio playback control, and then supplement your needs by calling directly into gstreamer
[14:58] <OrokuSaki> logcat says its waiting for surfaceflinger.... though I cannot figure out why... got me stumped
[14:58] <OrokuSaki> ps says its running
[14:58] <jhodapp> daker: if possible
[14:58] <OrokuSaki> if anyone could give me some advice, appreciate it
[14:58] <sergiusens> rsalveti: in case you missed this: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/session-manager-touch/install_clicks/+merge/181568
[14:59] <rsalveti> sergiusens: sorry, was on a call :P
[14:59] <rsalveti> but will check quickly
[15:00] <sergiusens> rsalveti: lol, but you got disconnected, so I was just wondering if your missed the chatter here too ;-)
[15:01] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right, thanks anyway :-)
[15:02] <daker> jhodapp: my only concern is metadata
[15:02] <jhodapp> daker: right, but that's what I mean...call directly into gstreamer to obtain metadata
[15:04] <daker> jhodapp: do you have any idea how can i do that without consuming the user's bandwidth
[15:04] <jhodapp> daker: what do you mean, is there an issue you've been running into with that?
[15:05] <daker> jhodapp: no no, i am just asking about the use of QtMultimedia to play the stream and gstreamer to get the metadata
[15:06] <jhodapp> daker: well QtMultimedia will still use gstreamer underneath to play back, it'll just be a higher level control API
[15:06] <jhodapp> daker: and when the hardware acceleration lands, it'll automatically take advantage of it
[15:07] <lool> beuno: "are you updating the package?"
[15:08] <lool> s/"(.*)"/(\1)/
[15:08] <daker> jhodapp: ok, then with QtMultimedia i will be not able to get the GST_TAG_TITLE, right ?
[15:08] <lool> ralsina: if I remove a package w/ commandline I can install it from the scope again, ys?
[15:08] <beuno> lool, I'm actually waiting for the SDK to build and see if it now generates them properly, instead of hand-crafting it
[15:08] <lool> hold on, we don't have a click remove?
[15:08] <beuno> so not yet
[15:08] <lool> wow
[15:09] <ralsina> lool: well, that's also why you can't remove them from the preview ;-)
[15:09] <jhodapp> daker: I'm not 100% sure on that, I could scan the source for you and let you know
[15:09] <lool> I'm kind of screwed if I run out of test packages  :-)
[15:09] <ralsina> lool: I think you can remove them manually, it's a couple of folders mostly
[15:10] <lool> ralsina: no database?
[15:10] <ralsina> lool: exactly
[15:11] <daker> jhodapp: if i can get the GST_TAG_TITLE i'll move to the QtMultimedia, that's the only reason i use gstreamer
[15:11] <jhodapp> daker: ok...I'm pretty sure QtMultimedia responds to the GST_TAG_TITLE message, I'm just not sure what it does with it
[15:11] <lool> ralsina: I rm-ed the dir but still see ar.com.beuno.hello-world        0.1
[15:12] <lool> in click list --user phablet
[15:12] <ralsina> lool: you also have to remove from the user's .local and maybe somewhere else
[15:13] <daker> jhodapp: if you find something ping me here or just comment on the G+ thread, thanks!
[15:13] <lool> ralsina: couldn't find it
[15:13] <jhodapp> daker: sure thing
[15:13]  * lool searches for beuno hiding in some directory
[15:13] <lool> find . -iname \*beuno\*
[15:14]  * beuno screams in pain
[15:15] <lool> ralsina: I can't find beuno in home/phablet or /var; other ideas?  :-)
[15:15] <lool> ah some dpkg database somewhere
[15:15] <ralsina> lool: ran out
[15:15] <ralsina> lool: stracing click list :-)
[15:16] <lool> yeah I was apt-get installing strace
[15:16] <OrokuSaki> to get the gui to come up.. I have to service ubuntu-touch-session start USER=phablet then android-chroot, then run sensorservice
[15:17] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, "android-chroot, then run sensorservice"  should be enough
[15:17] <lool> ralsina: ah!  /opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click/
[15:17] <OrokuSaki> I wish... for some reason its waiting on surfaceflinger when I do that.. though it is running
[15:17] <ralsina> lool: sneaky :-)
[15:19] <ogra_> ubuntu-touch-session is auto respawning anyway, it will kick in at some point
[15:19] <jhodapp> daker: so QtMultimedia currently does nothing with the GST_MESSAGE_TAG bus message
[15:20] <daker> jhodapp: :(
[15:20] <crypticmofo> umm.. never mind
[15:20] <jhodapp> daker: but, I don't see why we wouldn't want to extend this in the near future
[15:20] <crypticmofo> i just answered my own question
[15:21] <daker> jhodapp: that would be excellent
[15:21] <jhodapp> daker: I haven't thought about this in any detail yet, but we might be able to connect GStreamer's tagging mechanism into QtMultimedia's
[15:22] <daker> jhodapp: that will save developers from getting into the c++ world :D
[15:22] <jhodapp> daker: yeah, the more we can connect to QML the better
[15:23] <codinho> jhodapp, as I know there were such thing in 0.10 and qt
[15:23] <jhodapp> codinho, very interesting...well maybe it's still implemented then and will have to investigate a bit further
[15:23] <crypticmofo> aw i know what i want .. i know cdma phone / 3g / sms isn't working on cdma devices but does it work on wifi ?
[15:24] <jhodapp> daker: did you see codinho's message?
[15:24] <codinho> jhodapp, the qt examples were able to display some tags related info
[15:25] <codinho> anyway its not difficult to handle such thing
[15:25] <jhodapp> fantastic...once I land the acceleration backend, I'll look into this in more detail
[15:25] <didrocks> barry: ok, done with rev 161.
[15:26] <crypticmofo> anyone ?
[15:26] <barry> didrocks: thanks, got it
[15:26] <didrocks> yw!
[15:27] <barry> didrocks: on the SettingChanged signal.  my thinking is: signature='sss'  SettingChanged(key, value, old_value) where old_value will be '' if one was not previously set
[15:28] <didrocks> barry: sounds good, and you emit it only if the value change as well, right?
[15:28] <didrocks> let if I SetSettings() same value for that key, no SettingChanged signal?
[15:28] <barry> didrocks: i could either do that, or always send it, and a client could check for value == old_value
[15:28] <daker> jhodapp: yes codinho it's has landed ?
[15:28]  * barry is leaning toward the latter
[15:29] <didrocks> barry: why? do you see a use case that would be useful?
[15:29] <barry> didrocks: not really.  just makes the semantics simpler and more consistent
[15:29] <didrocks> barry: hum, thinking about it, can you push it to my branch or just point me to it so that I can merge and finish the client with it?
[15:30] <didrocks> barry: the key didn't change if you set the same key/value
[15:30] <didrocks> so it's not "Changed", right?
[15:30] <barry> didrocks: i guess technically correct ;).  SettingSet is a weird name :)
[15:30] <barry> SettingUpdated?
[15:31] <barry> didrocks: what would be most useful for the ui?
[15:31] <jhodapp> daker: this is the qtmultimedia version I'm working with: https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtmultimedia-porting/
[15:32] <jhodapp> daker: codinho ported it to gst 1.0
[15:32] <daker> jhodapp: thanks i'll take a look
[15:32] <didrocks> barry: I think Changed() is even only if the value has changed, let me see what other libs are doing
[15:34] <didrocks> barry: seems glib is pretty consistent about at least ui content to only emit when there is an actual change
[15:34] <didrocks> (and so, only sending the new value in that case)
[15:35] <barry> didrocks: okay, so no old value and only send when newvalue != oldvalue?
[15:35] <barry> SettingChanged(key, value)
[15:35] <didrocks> barry: yeah, I can do it quickly in my branch if you want, that will enable me to do the binding quicker
[15:35] <didrocks> (in the UI)
[15:35] <ogra_> crypticmofo, sure
[15:35] <barry> didrocks: go for it.  i'll update the wiki page
[15:36] <didrocks> barry: thanks! will ping you
[15:36] <Dominik2000> hello
[15:37] <Dominik2000> i have installed ubuntu touch on an nexus 4, but i cannot enter the pin
[15:38] <Dominik2000> tried it with enter-pin script from ofono but it says enter-pin command not found
[15:39] <sergiusens> bfiller: what component is supposed to notify incoming calls/messages again?
[15:40] <bfiller> sergiusens: I was just looking at that
[15:40] <ogra_> Dominik2000, that commend isnt in the users path ... you need to give the full location
[15:40] <bfiller> I see the problem
[15:40] <bfiller> sergiusens: /usr/bin/phone-app-approver
[15:40] <sergiusens> bfiller: that problem I raised on the email is also on the regular images
[15:40] <sergiusens> bfiller: was looking into raising a critical
[15:40] <bfiller> sergiusens: it crashes with /usr/bin/phone-app-approver: symbol lookup error: /usr/bin/phone-app-approver: undefined symbol: messaging_menu_message_new
[15:41] <ogra_> Dominik2000, /usr/share/ofono/scripts/enter-pin pin 123
[15:41] <ogra_> err
[15:41] <ogra_> Dominik2000, /usr/share/ofono/scripts/enter-pin pin 1234
[15:41] <sergiusens> diwic: ^^
[15:41] <ogra_> something like that
[15:41] <bfiller> sergiusens: because I think phone-app still building in ppa against old indicator-messagase and new one is in saucy that doesn't have this symbol yet
[15:41] <ogra_> ouch
[15:41] <Dominik2000> thanks!
[15:42] <sergiusens> bfiller: should we remove the indicator messages from the PPA?
[15:42] <ogra_> we shold remove the PPA :P
[15:42] <bfiller> sergiusens: I think so, because the one in saucy is supposed to support that api (but doesn't yet)
[15:43] <sergiusens> bfiller: that sentence is confusing
[15:43] <sergiusens> :-)
[15:43] <diwic> sergiusens, hmm, weird that it sometimes *does* work (it's working for me) then
[15:43] <ogra_> yeah, it is weird that mako isnt affected at all
[15:44] <bfiller> sergiusens: indicator-messages in saucy is supposed to support messaging_menu_message_new() function, but that hasn't landed yet
[15:44] <bfiller> sergiusens: when it does, then everything can correctly build against it I believe, according to ted it's going to happen today
[15:44] <ogra_> diwic, though when did you last flash ? if you have an old enough image and only updated the packages yoou care about you might not be affected
[15:45] <beuno> lool, ralsina, hello world should now be installable. Would love confirmation  :)
[15:46] <lool> ralsina: I can't get packages to install, even the xda one which should have the right manifest
[15:46] <lool> beuno: I'm failing utterly at installing stuff
[15:46] <lool> now it ends with:
[15:46] <lool> [unity-scope-click] - DEBUG: download-manager.vala:163: Download started
[15:46] <lool> [unity-scope-click] - DEBUG: click-scope.vala:202: download started: /com/canonical/applications/download/a3894a3de22549e2b6c48f6e5a10be35
[15:46] <lool> and nothing in /opt/click.ubuntu.com/
[15:46] <bfiller> sergiusens: does that make sense? phone-app was building against indicator-messages in ppa but that version is superceded now by one in saucy that doesn't yet support the api
[15:47] <dednick|lunch> asac: will 20130822 be released as current image today? there seems to be some issues with chewie & indicator-network when upgrading from the 20130821 image.
[15:47] <lool> also, if I install by hand I'll now get the .desktop file, but I see "xda-developers" and no icon in the app list rather than "XDA Developers" with proper icon
[15:47] <Dominik2000> is that enough for 3g support?
[15:47] <lool> ralsina: ^
[15:47] <salem_> ogra_, sorry the delay. do you have time to debug phone-app now?
[15:47] <ogra_> dednick|lunch, not only with updating
[15:47] <lool> ralsina, beuno: Would be good if you guys could try r/o images
[15:47] <sergiusens> bfiller: oh, if that's the case, let me bump the one in the PPA
[15:47] <sergiusens> awe: ^^
[15:47] <ogra_> salem_, well, looks a bit like bfiller knows the issue
[15:47] <bfiller> sergiusens: that should fix the problem for the short term
[15:48] <dednick> ogra_:  ?
[15:48] <sergiusens> bfiller: ok, well, we should never regress... that's why we are holding back on pulse ;-)
[15:48] <bfiller> salem_, ogra_ : yes the approver is crashing when receiving text messages
[15:48] <sergiusens> diwic: it's hard to see how it works for you :-P
[15:48] <ogra_> dednick, seems we cant take incoming calls atm
[15:48] <bfiller> because of mismatch with indicator-messages
[15:48] <ogra_> bfiller, well, then my issue is different
[15:48] <salem_> bfiller, ah ok, that's what I thought.
[15:48] <sergiusens> bfiller: salem_ I'll epoch bump indicator messages in the PPA
[15:48] <ogra_> its not related to text messages
[15:48] <dednick> craptastic
[15:48] <bfiller> ogra_: what is issue?
[15:49] <diwic> ogra_, yeah, maybe if the error went in yesterday or so
[15:49] <sergiusens> ogra_: do you get an initial operator SMS configuration message?
[15:49] <ogra_> bfiller, on incoming calls only the screen turns on, no popup, no ODS no phone app at all ... outgoing works just fine
[15:49] <ralsina> lool: sorry on team call
[15:49] <ogra_> sergiusens, no, i never get that when i switch phones with my sim
[15:49] <bfiller> ogra_: is /usr/bin/phone-app-approver running?
[15:50] <ogra_> SMS generally works but phone callls are broken even after a fresh boot ...
[15:50] <ogra_> bfiller, no, salem_ asked that already, and i can start it manually, it doesnt crash, but the phone doesnt chaneg behavior
[15:50] <sergiusens> ogra_: on any image that is?
[15:50] <ogra_> sergiusens, the operator SMS ?
[15:51] <sergiusens> ogra_: the incoming call failure
[15:51] <sergiusens> ogra_: pulse and public?
[15:51] <ogra_> i only get these when changing countries
[15:51] <bfiller> ogra_: hmnn, just flashed the --pending and working ok for me
[15:51] <ogra_> sergiusens, yes
[15:51] <salem_> ogra_, do you see any messages on console when you start it manually?
[15:51] <bfiller> maguro?
[15:51] <ogra_> bfiller, right
[15:51] <bfiller> ogra_: does phone ring on incoming?
[15:51] <ogra_> salem_, phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ phone-app-approver
[15:51] <ogra_> Creating a new folks engine
[15:52] <ogra_> and after i sent an SMS i get the error bfiller showed above
[15:52] <mfisch> stgraber: is that initrd change you made yesterday in boot images yet?
[15:52] <ogra_> without SMS it just sits there
[15:52] <sergiusens> ogra_: also, did you run /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-calls ?
[15:52] <mfisch> stgraber: it did not seem to work this morning for ssweeny
[15:52] <ogra_> sergiusens, while a call comes in ?
[15:52] <sergiusens> ogra_: yes
[15:53] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6014491/
[15:53] <ogra_> seems ofono is fine
[15:54] <bfiller> ogra_: I think it's related to this approver issue
[15:54] <ogra_> bfiller, ok
[15:54] <barry> didrocks: i'm going to get some lunch now.  will see your ping in the scrollback
[15:54] <bfiller> ogra_: can you run dbus-monitor and paste the output when a incoming call is happening?
[15:54] <stgraber> mfisch: it should be. I didn't check whether today's image built properly though but if it did, the new initrd should be in it
[15:55] <ogra_> will do, one sec, i just rebooted to get rid of the SMS state
[15:55] <mfisch> ssweeny: can you dd the boot image off the phone and unpack it?
[15:55] <mfisch> ssweeny: I'll try too as soon as I finish up this wiki page
[15:55] <ssweeny> mfisch, on it
[15:56] <sergiusens> awe: just asked ogra... and ofono is fine wrt to calls http://paste.ubuntu.com/6014491/
[15:57] <asac> dednick: hey
[15:57] <asac> dednick: check with ogra how the dashboard results look like
[15:57] <asac> if you feel there is something big that our tests dont catch
[15:57] <asac> lets also check how we can write a test for that
[15:57] <ogra_> asac, not making calls is a blocker
[15:57] <dednick> :)
[15:57] <ogra_> no matter how the dashboard looks
[15:58] <ogra_> bfiller, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6014502/
[15:58] <awe> sergiusens, that's fine, but I still want to test myself, and rsalveti as well.  We're not going to switch on a Friday.  ;)-
[15:58] <ogra_> i had to manuallt start the approver though ... it wasnt running
[15:58] <ogra_> (not that this changed anything in behavior)
[15:59] <dednick> sounds the ability to make calls would be a good test to have.
[15:59] <ogra_> dednick, yeah
[15:59] <sergiusens> awe: ack, was just corroboration and peace of mind for you ;-)
[15:59] <ogra_> oits long on the list
[15:59] <ogra_> also SMS, 3G networking etc
[15:59] <awe> thanks sergiusens
[16:01] <lool> ralsina: in any case, it's mighty annoying to reboot / kill processes to recover
[16:02] <lool> something is getting stuck badly when it should log a warning and go on
[16:02] <davmor2> cyphermox: I used wget -r -l1 -A.deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~mathieu-tl/network-manager/ then cd into the dir and then dpkg -i *.deb  3 of the -dev libs didn't install but the version of nm wasn't letting me connect to 3g at all.
[16:02] <ralsina> lool: right, no testing in r/o so far, we'll add it asap
[16:02] <didrocks> barry: rev 162, the client works as well :)
[16:03] <ssweeny> mfisch, the touch script from the boot image DOES NOT have your changes
[16:03] <cyphermox> davmor2: yeah, there's still something missing I noticed an issue
[16:03] <lool> ralsina: we're switching like tomorrow, announcing on monday, would you think you'd have some fix later tonight?
[16:03] <lool> can verify tomorrow morning
[16:03] <mfisch> ssweeny: okay, so it's not built yet
[16:03] <cyphermox> davmor2: could you still pastebin logs just to make sure it's the same thing?
[16:03] <mfisch> stgraber: looks like it didnt get built yet
[16:03] <ralsina> lool: I'll have to put that at the top of alecu's queue
[16:03] <mamenyaka> ogra_, any news with ricmm on the font issue with samsung devices?
[16:04] <ogra_> stgraber, did you do a no-change rebuild upload of android yet ?
[16:04] <ogra_> stgraber, else there wont be a boot.img with the changed :)
[16:04] <lool> ralsina: that seems like a good idea given the small amount of time
[16:04] <lool> ralsina: (thanks!)
[16:04] <davmor2> cyphermox: meh I needed my phone back up and running before I log off so re-wiped it,  I can redo it tomorrow morning when I get online
[16:04] <stgraber> ogra_: damn, I forgot about android... (I know you told me about it a few weeks back...)
[16:05] <ogra_> mamenyaka, well, i think ricmm referred you to me and all i know is that rollback of the driver is the only solution
[16:05] <mfisch> lool: I dont think we need that USER=phablet line in my package anymore since I moved the system db to /custom
[16:05] <cyphermox> davmor2: oh ok. don't bother then, I'll run my tests here
[16:05] <stgraber> ogra_: I did initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch and ubuntu-touch-generic-initrd but forgot android (is ubuntu-touch-generic-initrd even still relevant nowadays?)
[16:05] <mfisch> lool: I should have an update after this meeting
[16:05] <cyphermox> everything is ready for it and I fixed mbpi here for my provider...
[16:05] <lool> mfisch: great
[16:05] <mamenyaka> ogra_, but the QML_DISABLE_DISTANCEFIELD options is like halfway there
[16:05] <ogra_> stgraber, yes, it rolls the initrd.img
[16:05] <lool> mfisch: yeah, /custom is where it should live
[16:05] <lool> mfisch: how do you handle dconf update?
[16:05] <ogra_> mamenyaka, yeah, if you can live without the other half :)
[16:05] <lool> mfisch: is this done when generating the custom tgz?
[16:06] <mamenyaka> ogra_, ha, yeah, I can live with that, it really reduces the mess
[16:07] <mamenyaka> ogra_, but isn't there anything else?
[16:07] <ogra_> yes, but what i mean is there is no way to get rid of the remaining mess
[16:07] <ogra_> not that i know of
[16:07] <mamenyaka> ogra_, but what causes it?
[16:07] <ogra_> dunno, ask a mali specialist
[16:08] <stgraber> ogra_, mfisch: ok, I'll prepare a no change rebuild for android then.
[16:08] <mamenyaka> hello! is there a mali specialist here?
[16:08] <ogra_> LOL
[16:08] <mfisch> stgraber: merci
[16:08] <sergiusens> bfiller: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/indicator-messages/phablet_epoch/+merge/181604
[16:08] <mfisch> ssweeny: ^^ what stgraber said
[16:09] <davmor2> tedg: new nm indicator doesn't seem to display 3g, only wifi for me,  admittedly I am having to restart nm so that might not help :)
[16:09] <sergiusens> ogra_: mamenyaka for mali kdub can help, but he's probably on the #ubuntu-mir channel
[16:09] <bfiller> sergiusens: approved
[16:09] <ogra_> sergiusens, err
[16:09] <mfisch> lool: pushed the changes, think we should rename the project in LP? probably would be less confusing
[16:09] <ogra_> sergiusens, an epoch meanss you will have to bump the ar/chive version to that epoch too
[16:09] <ogra_> bfiller, ^^^
[16:09] <crypticmofo> anyone around .. didn't really think my question was answered .. i know cdma ubuntu touch devices or builds don't have phone / data sms working but are there builds with wifi that work ?
[16:09] <bfiller> sergiusens: probably should force a rebuild of phone-app against this once it lands? to make sure it's building against the correct version
[16:09] <ogra_> thats not gonna fly
[16:10] <davmor2> tedg: also there seems to be no icon when there is no connection which makes it hard to know you can modify from the pull down
[16:10] <lool> mfisch: would be nicer; should be doable from LP UI
[16:10] <mamenyaka> sergiusens, thank you, I will check him out
[16:10] <mfisch> lool: okay, let me do that
[16:10] <sergiusens> ogra_: why?
[16:10] <tedg> davmor2, Yeah, pmcgowan was mentioning that earlier
[16:10] <sergiusens> ogra_: we can just delete the package from the PPA
[16:10] <ogra_> crypticmofo, i said "yes" above, probably swallowed by the noise in here :)
[16:10] <sergiusens> ogra_: like we did for the other packages
[16:10] <crypticmofo> oh sorry ogra_
[16:10] <ogra_> sergiusens, upgrades wont work though
[16:10] <davmor2> tedg: and for some reason it isn't remembering my password for ap if I disable wifi
[16:11] <crypticmofo> ogra_:  do you know where i might get one .. im on the wiki atm
[16:11] <sergiusens> ogra_: we don't support apt-get upgrade on the images
[16:11] <pmcgowan> davmor2, adding a bug now about no icon
[16:11] <pmcgowan> its not ever there
[16:11] <ogra_> sergiusens, people with that package installed that do apt upgrades will forever stay on the epoch version
[16:11] <sergiusens> ogra_: and next week, not even apt-get
[16:11] <crypticmofo> ogra_:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[16:11] <ogra_> haha
[16:11] <ogra_> sergiusens, you are so optimistic :)
[16:11] <mfisch> lool: I dont think I can change it all, let me nuke it and make a new one, ubuntu-touch-customization-enablement, ca va?
[16:12] <ogra_> crypticmofo, "get one" ? you mean a wlan card ?
[16:12] <sergiusens> ogra_: I'll just break hybris so people are forced to reflash
[16:12] <lool> mfisch: really?
[16:12] <ogra_> sergiusens, oh, youre so eeeevil !
[16:12] <crypticmofo> ogra_:  no just wifi on a cdma device
[16:12] <ogra_> :)
[16:12] <mfisch> lool: let me try one more thing to move the branch
[16:12] <crypticmofo> ogra_:  it would be nice to do a build with wifi so i can test stuff on there like the store / anything realted to internet
[16:13] <ogra_> crypticmofo, well, wifi should always work (given the cyanogenmod driver works)
[16:13] <bfiller> ogra_: regarding your problem, think the quickest thing to try would be using the rebuilt phone-app and indicator-messages once those land in ppa. if you're still having issues salem_ will have to jump in
[16:13] <bfiller> ogra_: this just started happening recently right?
[16:13] <crypticmofo> ogra_:  do you mind pointing me in a build that works for a d2vzw that has wifi working ?
[16:13] <ogra_> bfiller, ok, i dont want to make an all nighter tonight but will test from the PPA once i notice the new packages
[16:14] <ogra_> crypticmofo, if it isnt on the devices wikipage i fear you have to port yourself
[16:14] <ogra_> that wikipage is all i know
[16:14] <mfisch> lool: LP can do the full rename for me
[16:14] <codinho> daker, try to check qgstreamermetadataprovider.cpp
[16:14] <ogra_> (there are probably othet ports not listed on the wiki over at the xda forums)
[16:14] <davmor2> tedg, pmcgowan: One thing that is really annoying and I will bug now I know it is still happening with the new indicator.  If you lose wifi and go on to 3g it never switches back to wifi according to nm and whats my ip address on google search.  You have to disable 3g to get wifi back as the main radio
[16:15] <pmcgowan> davmor2, thats a regression for sure
[16:16] <lool> mfisch: right, you should be able to change the project name
[16:17] <daker> codinho: thanks
[16:17] <codinho> uw
[16:17] <salem_> bfiller, looks like the other issue with the phone-app approver (answering calls) is related to mediaserver. I noticed that the approver is stuck trying to play the ringtone, and I managed to reproduce the issue sending a -SIGSTOP to mediaserver.
[16:19] <bfiller> salem_: interesting, we've had issues with playing the ringtone before
[16:20] <bfiller> salem_: I think we should be using qtmultimedia to play the ringtone instead of mediaserver classes
[16:20] <salem_> bfiller, yes, we already are.
[16:20] <didrocks> mpt: pmcgowan: IIRC, you want to talk togheter about bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1215520 :)
[16:21] <bfiller> salem_: oh
[16:21] <crypticmofo> is there a diff in the images ?
[16:21] <didrocks> pmcgowan: if my memory isn't bad, it's on purpose
[16:21] <didrocks> (and +1, it's confusing)
[16:21] <crypticmofo> quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip < — this is what i used to have but now on the website under http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/ i don't see a quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[16:21] <pmcgowan> didrocks, you mean the icon not changing?
[16:21] <didrocks> right
[16:21] <pmcgowan> thats not possible!
[16:22] <didrocks> that's what lars told me a couple of cycles ago
[16:22] <didrocks> it's only when charging, right?
[16:22] <tedg> sergiusens, using an epoch?
[16:22] <tedg> sergiusens, That doesn't seem like a good idea...
[16:22] <tedg> Oh, on the phablet branch?
[16:22] <pmcgowan> didrocks, I see, yes
[16:22] <pmcgowan> hmm
[16:22] <mamenyaka> ogra_, any chance to check mali memory usage?
[16:22] <tedg> sergiusens, Why can't you guys just use trunk?
[16:23] <ogra_> mamenyaka, probably, i have no clue about mali details, sorry
[16:23] <mamenyaka> ogra_, just in general, check video memory
[16:23] <ogra_> dmesg ?
[16:23] <ogra_> no idea :)
[16:24] <ogra_> or syslog
[16:24] <mamenyaka> ogra_, okay, thanks anyway
[16:24] <crypticmofo> i think its http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[16:24] <rsalveti> sergiusens: sorry, why the need to run preinstall-click at every boot?
[16:24] <davmor2> pmcgowan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1215528
[16:24] <ogra_> crypticmofo, the former one was the old image with ubuntu running inside of android, the latter url you posted is the new image whetre ubuntu runs natively
[16:25] <crypticmofo> ok so ogra_ http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip  is the link then ?
[16:25] <ogra_> rsalveti, because we have patient users ... :P
[16:25] <ogra_> crypticmofo, no, thats the old image
[16:25] <rsalveti> right :-)
[16:26] <ogra_> rsalveti, and so that we can blog about it "ubuntus boot lasts longer than androids !!! "
[16:26] <ogra_> surely good press :)
[16:26] <codinho> no wY
[16:26] <codinho> *no way*
[16:27] <ogra_> crypticmofo, the second url you posted is the current one
[16:27] <ogra_> crypticmofo, err, ignore that ... i just noticed they are the same
[16:27] <crypticmofo> ogra_:  yes the saucy one right ?
[16:27]  * ogra_ must be blind today 
[16:27] <ogra_> crypticmofo, you want to drop "-preview" from it
[16:28] <crypticmofo> oh
[16:28] <crypticmofo> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/ ?
[16:28] <ogra_> right thats the current daily build
[16:29] <ogra_> note that a lot chaanged, you will need to have to update the HW related zip too
[16:29] <crypticmofo> ogra_:  http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip       ?
[16:29] <ogra_> yes, thats the rootfs
[16:29] <crypticmofo> there a guide ogra_ ?
[16:29] <ogra_> for what ?
[16:29] <crypticmofo> the updated hw related zip ?
[16:30] <ogra_> thats something your porter has to provide
[16:30] <crypticmofo> ugh
[16:30] <ogra_> and he should regular rebuild against the latest changes in the phablet.ubuntu.com tree
[16:31] <OrokuSaki> anyone know a good way to automatically restart ubuntu-touch-session with upstart at boot
[16:32] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, it auto-respawns, why would you do that ?
[16:32] <OrokuSaki> because for some reason its waiting on flinger unless I restart that service
[16:32] <ogra_> (also why not fix the underlying error)
[16:32] <crypticmofo> ogra_:  don't now how to read that but i don't see his name .. i only see Ricardo Salveti
[16:32] <ogra_> no, it waits for the container to have successfully started
[16:33] <ogra_> so make sure that properly finishes its startup
[16:33] <OrokuSaki> but the container has started, sensor and flinger is running
[16:33] <OrokuSaki> =)
[16:33] <ogra_> cyphermox, whats the page you look at ?
[16:34] <OrokuSaki> and ubuntu-touch-session runs.. just says waiting for flinger
[16:34] <crypticmofo> ogra_:  you said he should have a rebiuld at http://phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb correct ?
[16:34] <OrokuSaki> if I restart it.. it works
[16:34] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, it hasnt finished apparently, else the container upstart job would emit the "android" signal and ubuntu-touch-session would start
[16:34] <mfisch> lool: LP is going to change it later today, but the code is updated
[16:34] <OrokuSaki> =)
[16:35] <OrokuSaki> so yeah.. at boot.. ubuntu-touch-session is running... container is running.. flinger and sensor service is running... logcat says waiting for flinger
[16:35] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, do you have logcat output from that ?
[16:35] <OrokuSaki> restart ubuntu-touch-session... then it works
[16:35] <OrokuSaki> one moment por favor
[16:35] <ogra_> you dont want to start ubuntu-session if the sensor service is hanging :)
[16:36] <davmor2> pmcgowan: this is the other one https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1215537
[16:36] <lool> mfisch: cool
[16:36] <OrokuSaki> http://pastebin.com/ZAb6V5mZ
[16:37] <OrokuSaki> @ogra_
[16:37] <OrokuSaki> at this point if I restart ubuntu-touch-session then it runs
[16:37] <pmcgowan> davmor2, oops you need to file these against the ubuntu packages
[16:38] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, did you hack your init.rc in any way ?
[16:38] <pmcgowan> we are in the process of changing the reporting to not use that project anymore
[16:38] <OrokuSaki> yeah...
[16:38] <OrokuSaki> =)
[16:38] <davmor2> pmcgowan: no worries
[16:38] <codinho> guys, is there any thing to dump my nexus 4 in order to restore its after I will install touch there?
[16:38] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, i clearly see SF starting ... looks like it is waiting for a second one or so
[16:38] <OrokuSaki> I told sensor service to run as main instead of late start
[16:38] <ogra_> yeah, that was my advise
[16:38] <OrokuSaki> in the init.rc
[16:38] <OrokuSaki> good advice
[16:39] <ogra_> but seems that causes some issue with SF
[16:39] <OrokuSaki> I told ubuntu-touch-session to start on runlevel 5
[16:39] <OrokuSaki> no difference
[16:39] <ogra_> or you have a typo somewhere
[16:39] <ogra_> no, it will wait for the chain of events to happen
[16:39] <ogra_> if one event is missing it wont start
[16:39] <OrokuSaki> bootanim
[16:40] <OrokuSaki> ?
[16:40] <ogra_> and if your container isnt properly returning it wont send the event
[16:40] <OrokuSaki> it always says that service does not exist when I run init
[16:40] <ogra_> no, bootanim whining is fine
[16:40] <ogra_> happens everywhere
[16:40] <codinho> ok
[16:40] <ogra_> show me your edited init.rc
[16:40] <crypticmofo> ogra_:  so basically if the dev that hasn't been working on the d2vzw / rebuilding / put new hardware / maintaining we just have to keep waiting correct ?
[16:40] <ogra_> (and probably also the original)
[16:41] <crypticmofo> ogra_:  its coo im on a cdma sch-i515 i can wait
[16:41] <crypticmofo> the os looks so awesome
[16:41] <ogra_> crypticmofo, well, it helps to contact people sometimes if you want something from them (like a rebuild) :)
[16:41] <OrokuSaki> http://pastebin.com/kP79W4ry
[16:41] <crypticmofo> ogra_:  i thought google was my friend but it seems like one guy tried to take it under his wing but that was a no go
[16:42] <davmor2> pmcgowan: out of interest what is the project I've dropped it under networkmanager for now but is there some indicator project I should be putting it under instead?
[16:44] <ogra_> crypticmofo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/d2vzw ... i see "image Maintainer | phantom-o" ... just click the name there ... it will take you to his launchpad page ... there is a button "contact this person" or so
[16:44] <ogra_> on the top right
[16:44] <crypticmofo> thanks
[16:47] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, hmm, i dont see anything obvious
[16:48] <OrokuSaki> me neither... telling ubuntu-touch-session stop on runlevel [01346]
[16:48] <crypticmofo> ogra_:  if i had instructions on how to do a rebuild thats not crazy i would do it
[16:48] <crypticmofo> ogra_:  i know shit aboput programming  but if they had instructions im here all day
[16:48] <OrokuSaki> me neither... telling ubuntu-touch-session stop on runlevel [01346]
[16:49] <cyphermox> ogra_: what page do you mean?
[16:49] <ogra_> crypticmofo, wellhave a look at how such a device wikipage can look like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/i9100
[16:49] <ogra_> crypticmofo, try to convince your porter to put instructions up as well :)
[16:50] <ogra_> cyphermox, syorry, tab completion screwup
[16:50] <crypticmofo> ogra_:  is that it
[16:51] <crypticmofo> it looks simple
[16:51] <ogra_> crypticmofo, this is for a galaxy S2
[16:51] <crypticmofo> yes but the instructions
[16:51] <ogra_> crypticmofo, but i dont think for your device the magic runes would be much different
[16:51] <AskUbuntu> Porting Ubuntu touch | http://askubuntu.com/q/335915
[16:51] <ogra_> indeed specific to the device
[16:53] <crypticmofo> oh wow like you said https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting#Set_up_your_development_environment
[16:53] <crypticmofo> more complicated
[16:53] <crypticmofo> o_O i would have to reinstall ubuntu on this desktop that is efi o_O
[16:53] <crypticmofo> duail boot windows 8
[16:53] <crypticmofo> arghghg
[16:54] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, probably rsalveti or sergiusens have an idea, i dont get why SF would try to start when it is already up like in http://pastebin.com/ZAb6V5mZ
[16:56] <crypticmofo> thanks for everything ogra_ time to take a smoke break and get to work and do whatever lol
[16:56] <ogra_> heh, enjoy
[16:59] <alecu> lool, ralsina: hi, I'm following the backlog
[17:01] <lool> alecu: basically quickest way to reproduce is to switch to read-only images and try installing the xda app
[17:03] <alecu> lool: I'll try that. It's just "phablet-flash ubuntu-system", right?
[17:03] <mhall119> is /opt/ writable on ubuntu-system images?
[17:04] <mfisch> sergiusens: I need to add a package that enables image customization to the build, are you guys using a meta package?
[17:04] <alecu> mhall119: in the backlog I see that lool was able to install manually, so I assume /opt is writable, yes
[17:05]  * mhall119 didn't read enough backlog
[17:10] <lool> alecu: right
[17:10] <lool> mhall119: /opt/click.u.c is nowadays
[17:10] <mhall119> ok
[17:10] <lool> mhall119: it used to be /opt was, but that was too broad
[17:13] <TKon3> Hello.How do I reset the ubuntu touch accounts
[17:14] <TKon3> How do I reset the ubuntu touch accounts?
[17:17] <pmcgowan> davmor2, indicator-network perhaps
[17:21] <TKon3_> Hello.I installed on my tf300t ubuntu touch but no boot.Any idea?
[17:25] <nhaines> TKon3_: what do you mean by "reset the ubuntu touch accounts"?
[17:26] <alecu> lool, ralsina: I installed the r/o image, and here's what I've found: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6014764/
[17:26] <alecu> lool: it seems that packagekit is not working right
[17:26] <ralsina> alecu: that's consistent with it working better when called as "click" instead of pkcon
[17:26] <TKon3_> imi arata 5 conturi. Anna Olson,guest and another
[17:27] <alecu> ralsina: right.
[17:27] <TKon3_> show me five accounts. Anna Olson, guest and Another *
[17:27] <ralsina> alecu: OTOH that seems to cause the scope to hang
[17:27] <alecu> lool, ralsina: but according to cjwatson "click install" should have never existed, and is deprecated
[17:28] <ralsina> alecu: grmbl
[17:28] <alecu> ralsina: the right way to install is using packagekit via dbus. And pkcon does just that.
[17:28] <ralsina> alecu: right
[17:29] <alecu> ralsina: I'm meeting with gatox to fix the dash so it does not get stuck on errors like these
[17:30] <davmor2> pmcgowan: thanks moved them there
[17:31] <TKon3_> Hello.How to install a ubuntu touch on my transformer pad 300t?No have dock for desktop version.
[17:31] <ralsina> alecu: awesome
[17:32] <TKon3_> Hello.How to install a ubuntu touch on my transformer pad 300t?No have dock for desktop version.Help me please...
[17:32] <beuno> alecu, ralsina, have you synced up with jdstrand about the app-id mismatch?
[17:33] <lool> alecu: PK isn't working in the images
[17:33] <lool> alecu: you have to disable the PK stuff for now
[17:33] <alecu> lool: how should I install the packages instead?
[17:33] <lool> I mean, the concept of console users doesn't work until we have lightdm
[17:33] <lool> alecu: oh sorry you meant PackageKit
[17:33] <lool> not PolicyKit
[17:34]  * alecu supresses the panic face
[17:34] <TKon3_> How to install a ubuntu touch on my transformer pad 300t?No have dock for desktop version.Help me please....Is unlocked and twrp installed
[17:34] <ralsina> beuno: nope
[17:35] <alecu> ralsina, beuno: what should we sync?
[17:35] <beuno> alecu, ralsina, I'll paste from #sdk (which you could join ;))
[17:36] <beuno> ralsina, alecu, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6014801/
[17:38] <alecu> beuno: ack
[17:40] <lool> alecu: would be good to fix the scope not to be stuck when this happens though
[17:40] <lool> if that makes sense
[17:44] <alecu> lool: yes, it makes sense. I've opened a bug for that: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1215562
[17:47] <alecu> lool, ralsina: pkcon works fine if I remount root as read/write
[17:47] <ralsina> alecu: right, so it's strictly a pkcon/ro problem
[17:48] <ralsina> alecu: is there a pkcon log somewhere?
[17:48] <ralsina> alecu: because other than that, it's strace ...
[17:48] <alecu> ralsina: you have to start packagekitd manually with some option... but I don't have it around.
[17:48] <ralsina> alecu: ack
[17:49] <alecu> ralsina: and also: I've never gotten anything useful from that log
[17:49] <ralsina> alecu: I think your error handling branch is a better use of resources today
[18:02] <tedg> cyphermox, It's looking like the modem on the Galaxy Nexus doesn't have the oFono capability ?
[18:02] <tedg> cyphermox, Is that right?
[18:04] <cyphermox> tedg: on the contrary, the galaxy nexus does have a supported modem..
[18:04] <cyphermox> what's happening?
[18:04] <tedg> cyphermox, Basically enumerating the devices from NM client and it doesn't seem to have it.
[18:05] <tedg> cyphermox, Putting a specific debug message to ensure that's it, but I'm 95% sure that's it.
[18:05] <cyphermox> that would be a bug
[18:05] <cyphermox> nmcli dev doesn't report ril_0?
[18:05] <tedg> cyphermox, It does:
[18:05] <tedg> DEVICE     TYPE              STATE
[18:05] <tedg> wlan0      802-11-wireless   connected
[18:06] <tedg> Heh IRC doesn't like it.
[18:06] <tedg>   /ril_0     gsm               disconnected
[18:08] <boiko> fginther: would you mind triggering a rebuild for this MR: https://code.launchpad.net/~boiko/ubuntu-calculator-app/fix_autopilot_tests/+merge/181596 ?
[18:08] <tedg> cyphermox, Yeah, that's it.  It doesn't seem to have it.
[18:08] <cyphermox> tedg: to have what?
[18:09] <boiko> fginther: nevermind, I found the problem already
[18:09] <tedg> cyphermox, OFONO in it's capability bitmask
[18:09] <fginther> boiko, no problem
[18:09] <cyphermox> tedg: interesting
[18:09] <cyphermox> tedg: what are you asking for this capability? NM or ofono?
[18:09] <tedg> cyphermox, NM
[18:09] <cyphermox> the NM stuff is all very much arbitrary
[18:10] <tedg> cyphermox, This is the check I'm doing: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ted/indicator-network/panel-icons/view/head:/network/network-action-manager.vala#L86
[18:11] <cyphermox> ok
[18:11] <cyphermox> let me check something
[18:15] <sergiusens> rsalveti: you back?
[18:16] <cyphermox> tedg: I think that's largely my fault, I just defined that capability but never used it
[18:27] <tedg> cyphermox, So should I avoid it?
[18:29] <cyphermox> well, no it was a good idea
[18:29] <cyphermox> I'll fix this
[18:30] <cyphermox> you can watch for the OFONO capability or CDMA_EVDO, or GSM_UMTS
[18:30] <cyphermox> since it would still be useful for the Modemmanager stuff to work
[18:31] <AskUbuntu> Nexus 7 3G [2012] problem with ubuntu touch | http://askubuntu.com/q/335946
[18:33] <popey> Kaleo: when you get a moment can you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1213043 pls?
[18:58] <alecu> mhall119: patricia (the designer) likes the idea of having a version number in the app preview, so we'll probably add it soon.
[18:58] <alecu> mhall119: I'm thinking this makes mostly sense in the case of updates, right?
[18:59] <tedg> cyphermox, So what I was thinking with this code is trying to determine if there's a voice modem.
[18:59] <tedg> cyphermox, So that's why I was looking for oFono.
[18:59]  * tedg is pretty sure "voice modem" is the wrong term, but doesn't have a better one
[18:59] <deathcrawler> Ubuntu touch is using Mir currently?
[18:59] <tedg> deathcrawler, Not by default
[19:00] <deathcrawler> tedg: Have a link for some tutorial or something like that?
[19:03] <mhall119> alecu: yeah
[19:04] <mhall119> alecu: if possible, it'd be nice for the scope to say "Upgrade" rather than "Install" when it's already installed an older version
[19:04] <mhall119> and also not show it as recommended anymore if they current version is installed
[19:06] <tedg> deathcrawler, There is one, but I don't remember where it is :-/
[19:07] <deathcrawler> ok :>
[19:07] <tedg> ricmm, Is there a PPA to convert your touch image over to Mir? ^
[19:12] <sergiusens> tedg: I think you want https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/mir/+packages
[19:13] <tedg> deathcrawler, ^
[19:13] <sergiusens> there's also this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing/Mir
[19:16] <deathcrawler> Thanks tedg and sergiusens
[19:19] <awe> tedg, are you talking directly to ofono using dbus?
[19:20] <tedg> awe, Plan to
[19:20] <tedg> awe, Should I not be?
[19:21] <awe> tedg, ok.  You should be able to tell if the device has a voice modem by presence of the VoiceCallManager interface
[19:21] <mfisch> stgraber: you kicked off a build this morning, when should it show up on cd-image?
[19:21] <awe> tedg, checkout the script 'list-modems' in /usr/share/ofono/scripts
[19:21] <tedg> awe, Yes, I was checking the oFono capability before checking for that interface.
[19:22] <tedg> awe, Figured I shouldn't check if that wasn't set.
[19:22] <awe> via 'Interfaces'?
[19:22] <awe> ( top level property )
[19:23] <awe> hmmmm, looks like "voicecall" doesn't appear in the 'Features' property
[19:23] <awe> might be a bug
[19:23]  * awe will check
[19:24] <mhall119> kgunn: when might we start seeing Mir running on our supported devices?
[19:25] <sergiusens> mhall119: popey https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/1211956/+merge/181644
[19:26] <popey> sergiusens: testing
[19:26] <kgunn> mhall119: you can see it today...if you follow the "easy way" here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing/Mir
[19:26] <popey> Saving to: ‘/home/alan/Downloads/phablet-flash/imageupdates/mako/20130833/saucy-preinstalled-recovery-armel+mako.img’
[19:26] <popey> nice
[19:27] <popey> sergiusens: what if I have mako and grouper?
[19:27] <popey> it will grab ubuntu-20130822.full.tar.xz twice
[19:27] <sergiusens> popey: yeah
[19:27] <popey> thats not good
[19:27] <popey> double disk space
[19:28] <sergiusens> popey: right...
[19:28] <popey> and time
[19:29] <popey> would it not be preferable to have the device specific files in a device specific folder and the cross device filesystem in the level above?
[19:29] <sergiusens> popey: I'll need to read the manifest and see what I can do
[19:32] <stgraber> mfisch: android published 30min ago, so I'll kick off an actual image build now (that package takes its time to build)
[19:32] <mfisch> stgraber: thanks
[19:33] <stgraber> mfisch: build running now. Though it won't publish on system-image.ubuntu.com until it gets marked as good by ogra (or whoever else does that) as system-image.ubuntu.com now only uses images marked current after automatic and manual testing
[19:34] <mhall119> kgunn: is http://s-jenkins:8080/job/ubuntu-touch-phablet-image-saucy-mir/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/saucy-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip as up to date as the regular cdimage-touch builds?
[19:36] <kgunn> mhall119: uh....this is what i do...cause i'm kind of a freak
[19:36] <kgunn> phablet-flash cdimage-touch --ubuntu-path http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/pending/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip --device-path http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/pending/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+mako.zip -d mako -b
[19:37] <mhall119> kgunn: are there grouper builds too?
[19:37] <kgunn> anyway...that will make sure you  get top of the image
[19:37] <kgunn> mhall119: oh...grouper...there are...but
[19:37] <kgunn> grouper has a known issue
[19:37] <kgunn> since we rely on binary gfx drivers
[19:37] <mhall119> grouper always does :(
[19:37] <sergiusens> kgunn: you just need to do phablet-flash cdimage-touch --pending --ubuntu-path http://s-jenkins:8080/job/ubuntu-touch-phablet-image-saucy-mir/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/saucy-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[19:38] <kgunn> sergiusens: thank you sir...filing that away
[19:39] <kgunn> mhall119: anyway...what i was saying is that...obviously we rely on hybris
[19:39] <kgunn> from the mir perspective to use the bin drivers from android that is
[19:39] <kgunn> and iirc there was a "bug" or lack of support for a particular use of pthread within the tegra drivers that wasn't
[19:39] <kgunn> compatible with hybris
[19:40] <kgunn> i understand there was hope that a fix was going in upstream...but i don't think it ever happened
[19:40] <kgunn> so...well...grouper suffers
[19:40] <mhall119> so I should test it on my mako device not my grouper, is what you're saying :)
[19:41] <kgunn> mhall119: ...ummmm.....yeah
[19:41] <kgunn> :)
[19:41] <mhall119> ok, thanks
[19:41] <kgunn> btw...i have a grouper (and had only that for a while)....so just as annoyed
[19:42] <mhall119> misery loves company :)
[19:58] <OrokuSaki> @ogra_ you around?
[20:01] <OrokuSaki_> @ogra_ sorry... opendns knocked me off
[20:02] <OrokuSaki_> Anyone can figure out why my surfaceflinger is started and running, but service manager is waiting for it to run??? logcat http://pastebin.com/kP79W4ry
[20:02] <OrokuSaki_> ow you a beer
[20:02] <OrokuSaki_> I didn't quit
[20:03] <OrokuSaki_> If I restart my ubuntu-touch-session.. then I get graphics
[20:03] <OrokuSaki_> odd
[20:19] <nhaines> Can I get updated instructions for installing a Mir-enabled image on my phone?
[20:19] <nhaines> The instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing/Mir lack a fully qualified domain name.
[20:36] <plars> asac: pmcgowan: heads up, I just made a network change right as the tests for 22.1 were getting kicked off. Expectation is that the weather tests (most at least) should pass, but we will get one failure on the default smoke tests due to a ping address needing to be changed. If this all works, I'll make that change, otherwise I'll revert to the previous network setup
[20:37] <popey> thanks plars
[20:37] <plars> popey: ^ and you... sorry, I tend to restrict the list to people who have specifically asked for updates like that, otherwise I'd be nicking the whole channel :)
[20:38] <popey> its fine ☻
[21:04] <kz_> hi all! i am brand new on ubuntu touch. cant acces su
[21:04] <kz_> the password should be ubuntu right?
[21:04] <RobbyF> it's phablet
[21:05] <kz_> nope
[21:06] <RobbyF> has been every single day
[21:06] <popey> you don't su
[21:06] <popey> sudo -s
[21:06] <popey> su is asking for root password, which we don't set
[21:06] <popey> "sudo -s" asks for "your" password
[21:07] <popey> kz_: ^^
[21:07] <wilee-nilee> sudo -i right?
[21:07] <kz_> please explain :D
[21:08] <wilee-nilee> there is no root password in ubuntu or the touch
[21:08] <kz_> ok..
[21:08] <popey> !rootsudo
[21:08] <wilee-nilee> just a user and superuser passwords the same
[21:27] <OrokuSaki_> Anyone can figure out why my surfaceflinger is started and running, but service manager is waiting for it to run??? logcat http://pastebin.com/kP79W4ry
[21:28] <OrokuSaki_> oops.. wrong paste.. http://pastebin.com/ZAb6V5mZ
[21:31] <tedg> awe, So it seems that on technologies in oFono there is only "hspa" and not an entry for "hspa+" -- which AT&T makes a big deal about.
[21:31] <tedg> awe, Do we care?
[21:33] <crocket> hi
[21:33] <awe> I assume you're talking about the NetworkRegistration "Technology" property?
[21:33] <crocket> ubuntu edge has been funded $12,812,776 for the past month.
[21:34] <tedg> awe, Yeah
[21:34] <crocket> The funding campaign is over, but it is a good record.
[21:34]  * awe looks at some ofono code...
[21:34] <tedg> awe, and "umts" is 3G ?
[21:35] <tedg> awe, It looks like registration_tech_to_string() in common.c is the best list
[21:35] <tedg> awe, That's at least what we get on the other side of dbus.
[21:35] <awe> tedg, yes umts is 3g
[21:35] <awe> and the hspa question is complicated
[21:36] <tedg> All good things are ;-)
[21:39] <awe> ted, hspa+ is just an evolution of hspa
[21:39] <awe> and both are used by umts
[21:39] <awe> so think of umts as an umbrella technology, utilizing hspa
[21:40] <awe> which itself has separate upload & download technologies
[21:40] <tedg> awe, Makes sense.  I guess I'm more worried about what we need to show to the user.
[21:40] <tedg> awe, Will someone get a Ubuntu Touch device and go "it's broken" if it doesn't say "H+"
[21:54] <awe> tedg, so looking a bit closer at the code involved, it looks like RILD defines a separate enum for HSPA+, whereas ofono doesn't appear to do so...
[21:55] <awe> tedg, I'll bug this, and we can see about fixing it
[21:55] <awe> note, that should've read the <ril.h> defines a constant for HSPA+
[21:55] <tedg> awe, Cool, for now I'll just show one, but when you update it, I can update my case statement as well.
[21:55] <awe> sounds good
[21:56] <awe> I'll add a bug
[22:14] <kgunn> ricmm: does this ring a bell ? cybermorphix just pinged me....https://launchpadlibrarian.net/148186341/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-amd64.unity-mir_0.1%2B13.10.20130822.2-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:14] <kgunn> ricmm: just lemme know if its something gerry needs to address in his morning
[22:14] <ricmm> cybermorphix !
[22:14] <ricmm> is that like cyphermox
[22:14] <ricmm> lookin
[22:15] <ricmm> kgunn: wheres the armhf builds of the same thing?
[22:26] <sergiusens> popey: still around?
[22:27] <sergiusens> popey: in case you are https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/1211956/+merge/181644
[22:29] <sergiusens> cjohnston: plars doanac` https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/1211956/+merge/181644
[22:31] <doanac`> cjohnston: ^^^
[22:32] <cjohnston> sweet
[22:33] <dixeflatline> has anybody reported bad video in todays build for the N7 after running sudo apt-get update -y && sudo apt-get upgrade -y?
[22:33] <dixeflatline> haha or am i late to the party
[22:37] <cyphermox> ricmm: armhf build of the same thing: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+sourcepub/3440062/+listing-archive-extra
[22:40] <cjohnston> sergiusens: is this the new expected directory structure?   http://paste.ubuntu.com/6015708/
[22:41] <cjohnston> sergiusens: reason I ask is it threw me off switching from dates to daily  and device folders
[22:42] <dixeflatline> is this look right? Aug 22 15:41:30 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [  551.043335] tegra_pwm tegra_pwm.0: pwm_disable called on disabled PWM
[22:43] <cjohnston> seems like that would also make it much harder to clean up old images.. you can't just remove 201308XX you would have to remove things in multiple directories
[22:52] <sergiusens> cjohnston: yes, I'm using the server side layout
[22:52] <sergiusens> cjohnston: so if in the future they add a new file, we don't automatically screw up
[22:53] <sergiusens> cjohnston: any file I can't validate goes into a temp dir
[22:54] <sergiusens> cjohnston: the dates in ubuntu image upgrades are a red herring, they aren't really a date, but a version number
[22:54] <cjohnston> right...
[22:55] <sergiusens> cjohnston: I can add something that wipes old files automatically that are older than version x
[22:55] <cjohnston> I would think something like 2013XXXX(.x) and then 2013XXXX/mako 2013XXXX/maguro would be easier to manage from the user side (removing old builds..
[22:55] <cjohnston> or that
[22:55] <cjohnston> I would think that might should be a flag (not automatic)
[22:55] <sergiusens> cjohnston: I had that, but it sort of forced my hand to download the ubuntu image twice
[22:56] <cjohnston> gotcha
[22:57] <sergiusens> cjohnston: there is no .x on ubuntu image based upgrades btw
[22:57] <cjohnston> thats right
[22:57] <cjohnston> cause its version
[22:57] <cjohnston> I forgot about that
[22:58] <sergiusens> cjohnston: with regards to layout, I'm just following one of the files entries in http://system-image.ubuntu.com/daily/mako/index.json
[22:58] <cjohnston> sergiusens: I would think that there should be two things.. clean up older than X and remove a specific build
[22:58] <cjohnston> so say there was a download issue with 20130825 I could phablet-flash --remove 20130825
[22:58] <sergiusens> cjohnston: sounds plausible
[22:59] <sergiusens> cjohnston: different MR though, right?
[22:59] <cjohnston> that works for me
[22:59] <sergiusens> cjohnston: I'll work on it in https://bugs.launchpad.net/phablet-tools/+bug/1157710
[23:00] <cjohnston> I saw that.. :-)  sergiusens I'm almost done reviewing the current MR
[23:03] <cjohnston> sergiusens: approved
[23:04] <sergiusens> cjohnston: great
[23:05] <sergiusens> rsalveti: can you give the final approval for https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/1211956/+merge/181644 ?
[23:05]  * sergiusens is migrating to home
[23:44] <kgunn> ricmm: back sorry...what did you mean  ?"armhf builds of the same thing?"
[23:44] <kgunn> racarr: yes...cyphermox...sorry....got excited :) and changed his nick in my head
[23:50] <racarr> kgunn: What
[23:51] <kgunn> racarr: nvmd...i'm loosing it...seriously...not enough sleep
[23:53] <racarr> kgunn: Don't worry, I lost it months ago.
[23:53] <racarr> ill let you know if I see it though :p