[00:12] Hi peeps why am i seeing gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-control-center as part or sudo apt-get upgrade on ubuntu touch for nexus 7? [00:14] If i try and run them in terminal or ssh it says it needs xserver [00:16] Sorry it says could not open x display === freeflying_away is now known as freeflying [00:20] !list [00:20] metisnc: No warez here! This is not a file sharing channel (or network); read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubot5 !bot ». If you're looking for a channel, see « /msg ubot5 !alis ». [00:31] seems like the browser has improved a lot [00:31] great job === chriadam|away is now known as chriadam [00:51] last few builds don't let you run apps === ulrich is now known as Guest59168 === Guest59168 is now known as ulr1ch [01:20] Can you guys share any tricks regarding gyroscope or compass?? I cant get the sensor service to start.. any common work arounds? [01:21] doesn't seem to like the accelerometer [01:21] but I wonder if it just doesn't like the first sensor it comes across [01:21] nusensors.cpp private: enum { lsm303dlh_acc = 0, lsm303dlh_mag = 1, [01:23] RobbyF: say what now? [01:24] oh... been working on this forever... finally can android-chroot.. learned more about lxc.. I can see flinger has started [01:24] powerd complains I don't have a backlight.. other then that.. I get an error when running test-sensor [01:25] about the accelerometer.. Maybe its a udev thing [01:25] recompiling === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [03:25] davmor2: poke. [03:26] davmor2: I know I mentioned it before but if you feel like testing a NM package that I hope will fix the issue (admittedly, not well tested yet): http://people.ubuntu.com/~mathieu-tl/network-manager/ === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [03:34] sweet... I had to manually start the sensor service.. [03:35] anyway I can modify the init.rc? can I use overrides with lxc? [03:35] I now have gui, wifi, and touch =) [03:37] I don't have apparmor or fanotify [03:37] =) [03:37] 2.6.35 === Namidairo`bnc is now known as Namidairo [06:20] http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130822T0759&p0=136&msg=ubuntu+edge+end watch the time run all the way down to 0 for the ubuntu edge campain [07:26] huh - the latest update of the phablet scripts asks me to install a bunch of other packages (i'm running ubuntu 12.04)... that's gonna be fun [08:03] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install in that tutorial there is not samsung nexus s listed, so is it supported? [08:25] good morning === mpt_ is now known as mpt [08:49] Kaleo: ok, I'm running smooth with the updated qtdeclarative, so no changes observed. I'm copying the updated 5.1 package to qt5-beta-proper now. [08:49] Kaleo: I'll also include the patch in my 5.1.1 builds [08:54] is the click app scope working or showing anything for anyone on 20130821.1? [08:55] dholbach, i dont think it is ready yet [08:55] ogra_, it showed me the current apps and I could install them 1-2 days ago [08:55] oh [08:56] I couldn't start them, but that was a different topic :=) [08:56] :) [09:13] diwic, so i still have the same symptoms here even with the new telepathy-ofono ... outgoing calls work just fine ... on incoming the phone app doesnt come up ... i'll re-flash again, since it seems to work for sergio [09:13] ogra_, yeah, it's weird that it works for sergio but not for you [09:14] ogra_, but a "pacmd list" from when the ringtone should have been playing could be next step for analysis [09:18] diwic, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013351/ shortly after the screen lit up [09:20] ogra_, thanks. There are no sign of phone-app-approver, looks like the problem needs to be debugged by someone at that side [09:20] well, lets see what a re-flash gets me [09:20] i start to suspect the image i use has issues === mehow_ is now known as mehow === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away === b0bben_ is now known as b0bben [10:13] Question: Are new Android 4.2 phones not available for porting? [10:14] It's too new, it just came out this week... [10:14] can you rephrase that ? [10:14] you should be able to port any 4.2 device you have the source for [10:15] ogra_, without Cyanogenmod? [10:15] well, you will have to make the cyanogenmod adjustmens i guess [10:15] so that it works with our tree [10:15] Meh:( [10:15] but there are a few people that ported without having a cyanogenmod source [10:16] so it apparently works :) [10:16] ogra_, :O [10:16] Anyways, maybe I should start porting to Cyanogenmod first. [10:24] jcollado, one for your re-run list, unity8 on mako just failed due to ueventd hanging [10:26] ogra_: Ok, re-scheduled. [10:27] hopefully one time is enough [10:27] * ogra_ thinks if systemsettle fails utah should automatically re-schedule for a certain amount of loops [10:28] (i.e. only mark a total fail after none of 3 runs succeeded or so ) [10:29] * diwic will need to be away for an hour or two, bbl [10:30] Morning all [10:32] ogra_: lool and I are pondering what would be needed to build ubuntu-touch for i386-atom-emulator target? (i know ubuntu-touch didn't yet boot on emulator, so this is a very academic question) [10:34] hi ogra_! have some spare time to help me out again for the 1000th time with the same stupid things I ask? [10:34] * ogra_ notes thaat lool didnt understand his ssh proposal [10:35] xnox, dunno, try to roll an image first, not sure live-build can do that atm for x86 [10:35] ogra_: I think I got it, but was making more general points :-) [10:35] mamenyaka, well, its porting clinic today :) [10:35] so go ahead [10:36] it is? great! [10:36] lool, i dont want adb to run at all in either scenario [10:36] well, the same thing, wifi not connecting for my samsung note 10.1 port [10:36] yeah, i remember i had to hack around something for the galaxy S2 port too [10:37] I have the insmod nicely bringing up wifi [10:37] but after that it just hangs on connecting [10:37] wpa2 [10:39] ogra_: so on the move away of adb, I am not entirely sure SSH would entirely supersede it [10:39] only for the sdk [10:39] ogra_: adb feels a bit lower level general purpose "do this thing on the device for me" [10:39] ogra_: ah, but I would like us to avoid ending with *both* and SSH [10:39] *adb and SSH === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [10:39] right, we should still allow adb but fully restricted to the phablet user [10:40] hmm I feel like we should be able to do everything we need with adb or with SSH [10:40] and off by default all the time [10:40] it seems bad to have two rsh setups [10:42] adb doesnt have any setup [10:42] or any control mechanism [10:42] thats why i woud like to avoid us using it [10:44] are you guys talking about ditching adb? [10:45] ogra_: not sure what you mean [10:45] ogra_: adb does have fingerprint checks since 4.2.2 or so [10:45] we could leverage this [10:45] i doubt we can without making a lot more mess in the ubuntu side [10:46] like adding another few users with hardcoded UIDs etc etc [10:46] ogra_: completely unrelated, is there some bp on using the android package for the android bits in the cdimage images? [10:46] yeah,there was [10:46] ogra_: Ah I see where you're getting now: adb is either root or specific user and you fear we can't set it up in some generic way [10:47] yes [10:47] ogra_: you know this topic is really quite subtle, I'd really like if you would host a vUDS on it :-) [10:47] hmm, k [10:49] ogra_: even if the vUDS ends up with adb + SSH, at least we will have a good rationale for things that we should do with adb and things we should do with SSH [10:49] ogra_: cyanogenmod & our andorid builds configure to disable figreprint checks in adb by default. === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [10:49] xnox: which was probably a quick workaround in the face of the addition of the fingerprint checks, but surely we could implement something more correct security-wise? :) [10:50] cyphermox: you pingededed [10:50] ogra_: like, we could run adb when you plug an usb cable or set some debug switch for the currently logged in user, but stop it when the session ends [10:50] just an example === 31NAAIEV5 is now known as tvoss [10:54] mamenyaka, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39048039#post39048039 that was my fix for the SGS2 [10:54] lool: at the moment our bootloader is unlocked on nexus devices, that means I can copy the data from all partitions by-passing adb/ssh/login/pin all together. Also format it clean as well. [10:55] lool, indeed, we can bind it to a udev connect event or something ... but we can do the same with ssh (and the great thing is that we can also use ssh on touch devices that dont have android at all) [10:57] ogra_, thanks, seems like I had bcmdhd_sta.bin instead of bcmdhd_apsta.bin [10:58] * popey continues to stab ueventd [10:58] xnox: oh yeah, we have many security holes if it's what you point at [10:58] xnox: which we'll need to plug at some point [10:59] lool, well, prior to release would probably not be a bad idea :) [10:59] ogra_: again, not opposed to SSH; just would like either SSH for everything or adb for everything, and not sure you or I know all the use cases for adb -- would want some of Ricardo S / Sergio's comments on this move [10:59] ogra_: Eh :-) [11:00] yeah, i surely dont want to ignore their input [11:00] ogra_: FYI, I wrote to security team last week about this, to advice on more general security of the device approach; but I went on leave and now Marc is on leave, so will probably be a next week thing [11:00] but imho ssh is a proven tested and widley used rsh ... adb well ... i simply dont trus android bits that we run on our side [11:01] eh === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:08] mamenyaka, so does it work now ? [11:09] hmm, when did diwic vanish [11:12] jcollado, share-app and phone-app are the next candidates for re-scheduleing on mako [11:12] (unity8 fifnished fine, thanks) [11:14] I am going to buy a linux based smartphone in near future, but I don't know should it be Tizen, Ubuntu touch, Sailfish or Nokia N9 (have I omitted anything?) [11:14] Necrosporus, and you came here to get a totally unbiased recommendation ? :) === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [11:15] ogra_, installing now [11:15] ogra_, well, what would be a channel to get unbiased recomendation? [11:16] ogra_: psivaa already took care of that [11:16] psivaa, thanks ! [11:16] ogra_, I came here because I expect people from here to have some understanding of all platforms [11:16] Necrosporus, heh, no idea, but i guess everyone in here will tell you "use ubuntu" ... as everyone in a tizen channel would recommend tizen [11:16] np [11:17] I do not think so? [11:22] ogra_, I see no APs now [11:22] insmod /system/lib/modules/dhd.ko firmware_path=/system/etc/wifi/bcmdhd_apsta.bin nvram_path=/system/etc/wifi/nvram_net.txt [11:24] well, check all these paths ... look for alternatives [11:25] (check if these files are duplicated somewhere etc) === 17SAC91IG is now known as tvoss [11:35] Is there any way to install ubuntu on a chinese android device? | http://askubuntu.com/q/335753 [11:36] ogra_, I have file like these: bcmdhd_apsta.bin_b1, bcmdhd_apsta.bin_b2 [11:37] ogra_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013736/ [11:38] mamenyaka, i meant alternative paths [11:38] not the same dir :) [11:38] /vendor ... /system/hw/ whatever ... [11:38] cyphermox: I'm still not having much look with the nm from people. I'm going to do a phablet-flash --wipe then reinstall the debs and see what happens then [11:39] try something like find /system -name bcmdhd* [11:39] ogra_, okay [11:39] ogra_, I don't have find [11:40] nevermind [11:40] I search in $OUT [11:41] ogra_, no other dir contains bcmdhd [11:41] well, you should have find on the device [11:41] we ship it by default [11:41] and i would rather search on the device [11:41] okay [11:41] also look for nvram [11:42] on device, nvram and bcmdhd only in /etc/wifi [11:42] nothing in /vendor or anywheer ? [11:43] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013741/ [11:44] /system/lib/modules/dhd.ko exists too at that location ? [11:45] oh, and did you try with the original setup and phablet-network-setup from an attached laptop before starting to hack on it ? [11:45] might be a UI issue that it doesnt offer you a WPA password [11:45] yes, I tried [11:46] this issue has been with me from the begginning [11:46] from february/march [11:46] dhd.ko exists [11:46] so the original setup did list the PAs in the UI ? [11:46] yes [11:47] *APs [11:47] well, then rol back to that state [11:47] *roll [11:47] and lets look at logs [11:47] hello i hawe question can i run ubuntu on samsung ace ??? [11:48] etron, have a look at the devices wikipage if someone ported it already [11:48] !devices| etron [11:48] etron: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [11:48] if not i fear you will have to port it yourself [11:48] Hi ! I'm trying to create an app with Ubuntu SDK which will need U1DB integration, but I can't "import U1db 1.0 as U1db" as the tutorial says... Is a package required ? [11:49] ogra_, I have this log from a few days ago: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5986581/ [11:49] tha for help [11:49] ogra_, can I modify the init file so that I don't need to flash again? [11:55] mamenyaka, sure ... copy it from /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs to /var/lib/lxc/android/overrides and edit as you like ... then reboot [12:01] ogra_, oh great, now hangs on boot [12:02] waiting for surface... [12:02] and sensors [12:02] yeah, sensors will be the issue [12:02] how old is your rootfs ? [12:02] it's from current [12:02] so I guess a day old [12:02] 0821 [12:03] yesterday [12:03] yeah, ancient :P [12:03] hah [12:03] ok, you can work around that by manually starting the sensorservice [12:03] android-chroot ... [12:03] and then just execute sensorservice ... [12:04] the UI should come up [12:04] how to execute? [12:04] oh [12:04] wait [12:05] android-chroot [12:05] chroot: failed to run command 'sh': No such file or directory [12:05] oh ? [12:05] id /system even mounted ? [12:05] *is [12:05] i have /system === tvoss_ is now known as tvoss|lunch [12:08] ogra_, is this it: /dev/mmcblk0p9 on /system type ext4 (ro,noatime,nodiratime,errors=remount-ro) === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:08] hmm, then you should have a shell [12:08] i have sh [12:09] root@ubuntu-phablet:/# sh [12:09] # [12:13] no, thats not in the container [12:14] it looks for /system/bin/sh *inside* the contaienr rootfs [12:14] okay [12:14] rootfs/system is empty [12:15] rootfs/system ? [12:15] whats that ? [12:15] /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/system [12:15] ah, yeah [12:15] it is supposed to be ... its just a mountpoint [12:15] /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/system only containse the unpacked initrd ... it is not what is running [12:16] eth running container rootfs lives in a node in /proc [12:16] oh, I see [12:16] anyway, what did you edit in your init.rc ? [12:16] just reverted [12:17] two apsta -> sta [12:17] look for servicemanager in that file [12:17] err [12:17] sernsorservice, sorry [12:18] service sensorservice /system/bin/sensorservice [12:18] change "class late_start" to be "class main" [12:19] and reboot [12:19] but the wifi insmod is in init.smdk.rc [12:19] okay [12:19] well, then copy init.rc too :) [12:22] diwic, so even after a full re-flash i cant take incoming calls (outgoing works OOTB now) ... i dont get why sergiusens can on the same device [12:22] sergiusens: ping [12:23] cjohnston: pong [12:23] ogra_: I can give it another go [12:24] sergiusens: I wanted to chat with you about bug #1215209 if you have a second [12:24] bug 1215209 in Phablet Tools "phablet-flash ubuntu-system checksum errors" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1215209 [12:24] ogra_, yeah...the question is how to proceed with debugging this [12:24] also sergiusens had some problems with SMS notifications? [12:24] diwic: yes, but I also saw bfiller was talking about that with _salem [12:25] diwic: so it might not be related to pulse [12:25] ogra_, done, still te same [12:25] diwic, sergiusens, sms works just fine for me [12:26] ogra_: I get SMS too, but the notifications on OSD are all broken [12:26] works fine for me [12:26] well, worked, let me try with todays image :P [12:26] ogra_: yeah, boiko was adding stuff in there [12:26] ogra_, I have init.rc in the overrides === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:32] mamenyaka, well, paste /system/bin/logcat -d and alsso the init.smdk.rc and init.rc files [12:32] ogra_, nevermind, will get back to that error, I reinstalled [12:32] ok [12:34] ogra_, sergiusens a thought - I have a special version of ofono in the pulseaudio image, this was to avoid the audioflinger stuff before it moved to telepathy-ofono [12:35] oh [12:35] ogra_, sergiusens maybe switching to the "native" version of ofono could make a difference [12:35] well, we have a sepcial upstart job that sets certain options fr ofono [12:36] diwic, hmm, pulse has a versioned dep on your ofono version [12:37] ogra_, pulseaudio? [12:37] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013896/ [12:37] oh [12:37] ignore me [12:37] yeah, that's just a metapackage [12:38] yeah [12:38] just add ofono-scripts too [12:38] probably the metapackage will remain [12:38] i read pulse and my brain made that pulseaudio [12:39] yeah, works [12:39] i just noticed i have no network indicator [12:39] * ogra_ reboots [12:39] * sergiusens reinstalls pulse image [12:40] ogra_, well, reinstall didn't help, so logcat: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013903/ [12:41] init.smdk4x12.rc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013908/ [12:41] sorry, init.smdk4x12.rc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013910/ [12:41] init.rc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013908/ [12:44] Hey, my ubuntu-touch port, doesnt boot. This is the last_kmsg: http://dl.xda-developers.com/attachdl/32bc11298ceb1af2a87aa5252f35d095/52160691/2/2/0/5/7/2/1/last_kmsg.txt. Can anyone see a reason why? [12:45] Spii: [ 387.491180] unable to open file: /dev/block/mmcblk0p22 hm.... wrong fstab / partition layout? [12:46] That means I should control the .fstab? [12:46] no [12:46] Spii, i assume you port to a flipped image ? [12:46] (or attempt to) [12:47] yes [12:47] so that file isnt intresting for you [12:47] So...? [12:47] ubuntu creates an fstab on first boot on the ubuntu side ... if that doesnt happen the container wont boot [12:48] Okay, but how to solve that? === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:48] ogra_: seen this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013927/ [12:49] Spii, if you are in adb in the initrd: ls /dev/disk/by-name and ls /dev/disk/by-partlabel would be intresting [12:50] okay [12:50] popey, yes, known limitation of the system image [12:50] apt doesnt work [12:50] (well, essentially dpkg doesnt work) [12:50] ah [12:51] (apt is just the fallout) [12:51] ogra_, reinstalled, APs now showing [12:51] what do you need? [12:51] well, do you have a laptop with working wlan ? [12:51] connected to it [12:52] if so, use sudo phablet-network-setup while the device is attached and booted [12:52] should I clone the network [12:52] yeah [12:52] is it okay if I use the SDK? [12:52] not sure [12:53] it should work, i knwo for sure that phablet-network-setup works when run manually [12:53] ogra_, btw, have you made a basic recording test, when not on voice calls, just using, say "parecord /tmp/foo.wav" and then playing it back to see if your voice was recorded? [12:53] okay, done [12:53] diwic, not yet, no [12:53] mamenyaka, well, the device should connect now [12:53] ogra_, trying to connect* [12:53] and you should see an ip for wlan0 in ifconfig in adb shell [12:53] you shouldnt need to do anything [12:53] ogra_, when you get a moment, feel free to do so === adfad666_ is now known as adfad666 [12:54] ogra_, just another thing that should work [12:54] diwic, will do, i'm just cross checking with the normal image now if the phoone app comes up there [12:54] ogra_, ack, thanks [12:54] [ 184.005981] c0 CFG80211-TRACE) wl_escan_handler : SCAN COMPLETED: scanned AP count=1 [12:54] [ 184.011600] c0 dhd_wl_ioctl: WLC_IOCTL: cmd: 23, ret = -17 [12:54] [ 184.356357] c0 connect failed event=0 e->status 1 e->reason 0 [12:54] [ 184.356393] c0 CFG80211-INFO2) wl_bss_connect_done : Report connect result - connection failed [12:55] ogra_, still not connecting, [12:55] anything in syslog or demsg ? [12:55] oh [12:56] did you google for that error ? [12:56] this seems extremely driver specific, hard to fix [12:56] what should I google? [12:56] but i bet others have seen it before [12:56] cyphermox: ping [12:57] your wlan card device name plus something from the above error message [12:57] and probably "android" or some such [12:57] be creative ;) [12:57] syslog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013959/ [12:58] ogra_ : in /dev/disk there is only: by-id, by-path and by-uuid [12:59] Spii, hmm, could it be that yoour device is a little older (and uses ext3 partitions) ? [13:00] ogra_ nope, my device is a htc one s (villec2) [13:00] 1 year old [13:00] Spii, hmm, weird, well, it doesnt seem to have any partition labels === hikiko is now known as hikiko|lunch === bob is now known as Guest22745 [13:01] that means you need to modify your kernel cmdline and put something like "datapart=/dev/foo/bar/baz (whatever the path to your /data partition is)" in there [13:01] the initrd should use that for mounting the rootfs [13:02] ogra_, the WiFi section from the makefile: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013972/ === Guest22745 is now known as b0bben [13:03] mamenyaka, did you try with bcmdhd_sta ? [13:03] that was my default [13:03] using it now [13:03] i dont think you can easily find a solution by digging the build scripts [13:03] only by finding others with the same issue ... [13:04] (i only found the SGS2 fix by accident and with a lot of googling too) [13:04] ogra_: i keep breaking things today ㋛ http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013984/ [13:04] ERROR:phablet-flash:Command 'adb shell mkdir /cache/recovery' returned non-zero exit status 255 [13:04] yes, but your fix was insmod related [13:04] its stuck at the google screen [13:05] mamenyaka, well, i startd from some error message similar to you :) [13:05] ogra_: very nice touch on the new n-m indicator when there is no connection is disappears so switch to 3g and watch it vanish :D [13:05] popey, not my area of expertise yet ... thats all stgraber land [13:05] ogra_, believe me I googled everything I could come up with [13:05] mamenyaka, google more :) [13:06] hah, thanks [13:06] it took me two days to even get close to the issue [13:06] ogra_, but can't I just play with the insmod combinations? [13:06] and i would consider myself rather experienced, so estimate a lot more :) [13:06] sure you can [13:06] how do I unload a module? [13:06] barry: hey! around? [13:07] ogra_, got I, I just tend to ask before trying to google [13:08] * popey tickles stgraber with http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013984/ [13:09] didrocks: hi [13:10] barry: do you have time for a quick chat, in like 10 minutes? [13:10] (hangout) === gusch is now known as gusch|brb [13:10] ogra_ sry, but can you explain where I have to put in "datapart=/dev/foo/bar/baz (whatever the path to your /data partition is)" ? [13:11] didrocks: i could chat, but need a bit more time. are you okay in 50m? (1400 utc) [13:11] barry: I have a meeting at that time, 14:30 then [13:11] didrocks: col [13:11] *cool [13:12] popey: you don't tickle stgraber, you blow paperballs at the back of his neck through your emptied biro ;) [13:12] barry: continuing to fix a little bit the mock then :) [13:13] Spii, well, whatever the direct path to the partition is that holds /data on your device [13:13] popey: hmm, that looks like a race in phablet-flash (trying to create/copy stuff in the recovery environment before the phone is actually ready) [13:13] sergiusens: ^ [13:14] stgraber: what device? [13:14] mako [13:15] stgraber: it's not really a race, I just have no reliable way to know if recovery is ready [13:16] popey: I can fix that [13:16] popey, ogra_ so I installed the authenticator app some days ago, but it seems to be uninstalled now [13:17] should I see it in /usr/share/applications/ ? [13:17] installed with apt-get from the ppa [13:17] rickspencer3: have you re-flashed? [13:17] rickspencer3, hmm, no idea, theoretically it should ship a .desktop file in that path, yeah [13:17] popey, I did phablet-flash cdimage or whatever [13:18] ah [13:18] yeah, you lose apps when you do that [13:18] that's like installing from an ubuntu cd [13:18] oh [13:18] well, that only preserves the user home and the netwrok setup [13:18] gotcha [13:18] only click apps would be preserved (soon) [13:18] click will solve that :) [13:18] i have a "post-install" script I run to re-install everything after flashing [13:18] (and set timezone etc) [13:18] and store the debs in home ? [13:19] ogra_, and what about the stuck on boot after restart? [13:19] ogra_: dpkg dump and load can solve that [13:19] yeah [13:19] I'm not sure it's a problem worth solving atm [13:19] but not in the path we are headed [13:19] sergiusens: want a bug filed? [13:19]