| Huriachi | Good morning | 00:46 |
|---|---|---|
| ThatGraemeGuy | morning! | 05:22 |
| Kilos | morning magespawn and others | 06:25 |
| magespawn | good morning Kilos | 06:36 |
| Kilos | you studying? | 06:37 |
| Kilos | i see wilson is following us on twitter as well | 06:38 |
| Kilos | dunno if its the same one | 06:38 |
| magespawn | do not know, there was also a Huriachi here at 2:30am ish | 06:40 |
| Kilos | aw i was offline | 06:42 |
| Kilos | oh am this morning | 06:43 |
| Kilos | whew | 06:43 |
| Kilos | we need a greeter bot | 06:43 |
| Kilos | hi superfly Superhuman | 06:46 |
| superfly | morning Kilos | 06:47 |
| magespawn | indeed might encourage people to come back | 06:47 |
| Kilos | and ThatGraemeGuy | 06:47 |
| magespawn | hey superfly | 06:47 |
| Kilos | i installed that thunderbird thing last night. it really isnt as cool as evo | 06:48 |
| Kilos | maybe i gotta work on configuring something | 06:48 |
| Kilos | but it only fetched 2 mails so thats good | 06:49 |
| magespawn | i have been using thunderbird for years now, but i also liked evo's design | 06:50 |
| Kilos | each accound has its own inbox and trash etc | 06:51 |
| Kilos | evo was shown once | 06:51 |
| Kilos | maybe it can be configured to show one inbox/trash etc for all accounts | 06:53 |
| Kilos | but not now | 06:53 |
| magespawn | i am not sure, i prefer it the other way | 06:53 |
| Kilos | oh you like each account seperate | 06:53 |
| magespawn | yup | 06:54 |
| Kilos | ai! i got 7 | 06:54 |
| magespawn | also helps me keep track of where things come from | 06:55 |
| Kilos | if i had a faster pc id run maverick in virtualbox | 06:56 |
| Kilos | evo on maverick is still kiff | 06:56 |
| Kilos | and when i opened thunderbird this morning pc rebooted but only once so far so maybe leater im gonna be swopping ram from other pc to here and see then | 06:58 |
| Kilos | later | 06:59 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 06:59 |
| Kilos | but so far no hassles with modem since evo totally purged | 06:59 |
| magespawn | so it looks like it was some complication with evo that was the problem | 07:09 |
| Kilos | yeah i think so | 07:09 |
| magespawn | maybe not evo directly, but something working with/through etc | 07:10 |
| Kilos | poor ian also struggling with 12.04 kde and modem | 07:10 |
| magespawn | so something in the updates then? | 07:11 |
| Kilos | mailed him the mobile connect script i got from someone when i was still struggling and told him how to do it | 07:12 |
| Kilos | hes sometimes sees the modem and other times not | 07:12 |
| Kilos | dunno if i ever showed you the script, but it works kiff, connects before you desktop is open | 07:13 |
| magespawn | no i have not seen that | 07:14 |
| Kilos | and if you gotta boot from command line it works so you can install graphics drivers and so on | 07:14 |
| magespawn | nice | 07:14 |
| Kilos | ill slexy it | 07:14 |
| magespawn | cool beans | 07:14 |
| Kilos | http://slexy.org/view/s2YrQJ5d51 | 07:18 |
| Kilos | its not setup lekker the commands are at the end | 07:19 |
| Kilos | you start with sudo nano | 07:19 |
| Kilos | and where you see 8ta in two places that used to be "your broadband suppliers name" | 07:20 |
| Kilos | so when nano is open you put that complete script in there and save | 07:21 |
| magespawn | ty Kilos | 07:21 |
| Kilos | yw | 07:21 |
| magespawn | save it any where in particular? | 07:22 |
| Kilos | then you run the next 2 commands | 07:22 |
| Kilos | nano opens a new file | 07:22 |
| Kilos | ctrl+o saves | 07:22 |
| Kilos | with enter of course | 07:23 |
| Kilos | then ctrl+x closes it | 07:23 |
| Kilos | then you go to you nm and edit 8.ta to 8ta | 07:23 |
| Kilos | hi Vince-0 | 07:23 |
| Vince-0 | haai | 07:24 |
| Kilos | and it must be python methinks, starts with that funny name thing | 07:25 |
| Kilos | starts with an h | 07:25 |
| magespawn | i could be wrong but i think that is a shell script, as in BASH like inetpro was talking about. | 07:27 |
| Kilos | but python right? | 07:27 |
| Kilos | i forget the name of the first line | 07:27 |
| Kilos | will go find it | 07:28 |
| magespawn | no i do not think so | 07:28 |
| Kilos | shebang | 07:31 |
| Kilos | oh doest that one show #!/usr/bin/python | 07:31 |
| Kilos | i go see | 07:31 |
| Kilos | no python in it | 07:31 |
| magespawn | no shows #!/bin/sh | 07:32 |
| Kilos | is sh shell | 07:32 |
| magespawn | yup | 07:32 |
| Kilos | so is that still a shebang? | 07:32 |
| Kilos | or is shebang for python only | 07:33 |
| magespawn | '#!' is the shebang, this indicates the intrepreter | 07:33 |
| magespawn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_%28Unix%29 | 07:34 |
| Kilos | aha ty | 07:35 |
| Kilos | so much to learn | 07:35 |
| magespawn | as always, and some of the stuff you do not even know you have to learn | 07:40 |
| Kilos | ok so after #!/bin/ it could be python or one of the other languages | 07:41 |
| magespawn | yes | 07:42 |
| Kilos | the shebang is like the pointer to what you wanna do | 07:42 |
| magespawn | the pointer which interpreter to use | 07:42 |
| Kilos | ya | 07:42 |
| Kilos | so shell scripting comes before any of the languages | 07:44 |
| Kilos | and thats what serious hackers use | 07:45 |
| Kilos | to even break linux? | 07:45 |
| magespawn | i think and i stand under correction here, is that shell scripting is used for relatively simple tasks and small programs that need to run without using too many resources | 07:47 |
| Kilos | oh | 07:48 |
| magespawn | so like the modem script, it needs to start at system boot and does nto have any settings to change when started | 07:49 |
| Kilos | aha | 07:49 |
| Kilos | well thats what kept me on 12.04 and not on maverick | 07:49 |
| Kilos | and other tricks like kubuntu only plug in modem after install and reboot | 07:50 |
| Kilos | and unity plug in before reboot but only enable mobile broadband but dont edit connection till rebooted | 07:50 |
| Kilos | sjoe! | 07:51 |
| Kilos | i wonder did barry come right yesterday with his prob | 07:53 |
| magespawn | i did not see anything in the channel | 07:54 |
| Kilos | oh my we chatted lots. gonna be an ai! soon | 07:54 |
| magespawn | people should get here earlier than less to ai about | 07:55 |
| Kilos | lol | 07:55 |
| Kilos | sssshhhhh | 07:55 |
| Kilos | at least it was all linux related | 07:56 |
| magespawn | indeed | 07:57 |
| Kilos | môre inetpro | 07:59 |
| * Kilos hides | 07:59 | |
| magespawn | but then what is not linux related? | 07:59 |
| Kilos | farming | 07:59 |
| magespawn | i am sure if you look enough there is linux involved in it somwhere | 08:00 |
| magespawn | somewhere | 08:00 |
| Kilos | hehe go my channel | 08:01 |
| Kilos | linux technology to formulate the concentrates they eat | 08:02 |
| confluency | You should use #!/usr/bin/env python instead of hardcoding the location of your system python -- then it will work correctly if you're using a virtualenv. | 08:13 |
| Kilos | whats the env mean confluency ? | 08:15 |
| confluency | It's kind of a helper program which figures out what python is the right python to use. | 08:16 |
| confluency | So you're using a pointer to a pointer to the actual python. | 08:16 |
| Kilos | oh | 08:16 |
| Kilos | ok | 08:16 |
| Kilos | ty | 08:17 |
| confluency | My favourite WTF python-related error is when someone makes a python script executable and forgets to include a hashbang. The default is assumed to be bash, and the first command in a python script is often import somelibraryname, and in your shell import something is an imagemagick command for taking a screenshot and saving it to a file called comething. So you run your python script, and you get a cursor that you click | 08:18 |
| confluency | somewhere, and you get a screenshot. | 08:18 |
| confluency | It took me a while to figure that one out. ;) | 08:19 |
| Kilos | whew | 08:22 |
| Kilos | shebang=hashbang right? | 08:32 |
| Kilos | hmm... kde just went slow mode again. im gonna try ram from other pc | 08:34 |
| Kilos | wbb | 08:34 |
| theblazehen | hey guys | 08:49 |
| theblazehen | long time no see | 08:49 |
| Kilos | hi the | 08:56 |
| Kilos | grr | 08:56 |
| Kilos | hi theblazehen | 08:56 |
| Kilos | wb | 08:56 |
| theblazehen | Trying a new IRC client :) | 08:57 |
| theblazehen | http://81.17.30.101:3000/ | 08:57 |
| Kilos | you still on arch? | 08:59 |
| Kilos | Maaz: hi | 09:00 |
| * Maaz waves to Kilos | 09:00 | |
| theblazehen | yeah | 09:00 |
| Kilos | that thing says im disconnected from the server | 09:00 |
| Kilos | ill stay with xchat and konversation | 09:01 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: Had to move it to tmux | 09:01 |
| theblazehen | wanted to carry on with other stuff on ssh without it always popping up | 09:01 |
| Kilos | ah | 09:01 |
| theblazehen | yeah, so I had to take it down for a few seconds | 09:02 |
| Kilos | what happened to your buddy that went to ubuntu | 09:04 |
| theblazehen | He went to mint, and is still on it currently | 09:05 |
| Kilos | ah | 09:05 |
| barrydk | Morning all | 09:18 |
| Kilos | hi barrydk any luck yet? | 09:18 |
| Kilos | i forget what broke | 09:18 |
| barrydk | Google earth. No re-install it and now it work for about 10 seconds then it boms out. i used my tab to do what was needed. Will fight it again later if i have time. | 09:20 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 09:22 |
| Kilos | may be better to completely remove it and install from scratch so new conf and all | 09:22 |
| barrydk | I'll play with it when i have time . Yore modem/rooter fixed now? | 09:23 |
| Kilos | yeah works lekker | 09:24 |
| barrydk | Glad you won it | 09:24 |
| Kilos | both pcs can use the 3g connection, but i only using one to save data for next 10 days | 09:25 |
| Kilos | ty | 09:25 |
| Kilos | was a stupid thing like deleting old settings and adding new | 09:25 |
| barrydk | I also want to go that way. At home i use a wi-fi connection from my supplier through a clear-os server which is also my proxy. But my data are very expensive. I'm looking at a rooter from telkom that can take an 8ta sim and then their contrac of 299/month you get 10gb day and 10gb night data. Just dont know how fast or slow it is going to be | 09:28 |
| theblazehen | barrydk: MTN has uncapped 315 kbit for around R#50 /month | 09:29 |
| theblazehen | R350* | 09:30 |
| Kilos | yeah | 09:31 |
| barrydk | Mtn was very slow and unstable in my area. I'm a mtn subscriber and only get edge, so not realy an option. | 09:31 |
| Kilos | yeah lots of their towers are only edge | 09:32 |
| Kilos | they only worry about peeps in town | 09:32 |
| barrydk | Ja our plaasjapies moet mar sukkel | 09:33 |
| Kilos | hehe | 09:33 |
| Kilos | my 8ta has gone very fast | 09:33 |
| Kilos | got up 2 803kB/s at times | 09:33 |
| barrydk | Are you still using it Kilos ? | 09:34 |
| Kilos | but thats with e220 modem with the double usb plugged in | 09:34 |
| Kilos | yeah i only use 8ta | 09:34 |
| Kilos | and if you got probs they send a tecie to come check whats wrong | 09:34 |
| Kilos | you just gotta wait a week or more | 09:35 |
| Kilos | they even subcontract the techies | 09:35 |
| barrydk | Sounds good. Does your modem have wi fi also? | 09:35 |
| Kilos | ya | 09:35 |
| barrydk | What make is it? | 09:36 |
| Kilos | wifi and 4 eth connections | 09:36 |
| Kilos | Billion | 09:36 |
| Kilos | got from bid or buy or olx | 09:37 |
| Kilos | i forget who | 09:37 |
| barrydk | sounds like something i want i also need the eth connections | 09:37 |
| Kilos | telkom are selling all that | 09:37 |
| Kilos | i dunno if their one has eth | 09:38 |
| Kilos | but shop around | 09:38 |
| barrydk | I looked at one that has but don't have the model with me now | 09:39 |
| Kilos | wb inetpro what did you break now again | 09:39 |
| Kilos | hehe | 09:39 |
| inetpro | dankie Kilos, truth is I don't know what I did wrong | 09:40 |
| Kilos | lol | 09:40 |
| Kilos | addy for hire | 09:40 |
| inetpro | Kilos: good morning anyway :-) | 09:41 |
| Kilos | hello inetpro | 09:41 |
| inetpro | oh and good morning to everyone else | 09:41 |
| barrydk | Hi inetpro | 09:41 |
| psyatw | hi Kilos | 09:41 |
| psyatw | hi inetpro | 09:41 |
| psyatw | hi barrydk | 09:41 |
| Kilos | hi psyatw | 09:41 |
| psyatw | barry de koning? | 09:41 |
| psyatw | :D | 09:41 |
| barrydk | Hi psy | 09:42 |
| barrydk | psyatw. no the servant | 09:42 |
| Kilos | lol | 09:42 |
| Kilos | hi charl | 09:51 |
| charl | hi Kilos | 09:51 |
| Kilos | barrydk: you must also check if the router you get can take an external antenna | 09:51 |
| Kilos | like the pro then your signal is super strong | 09:51 |
| psyatw | hi charl | 09:53 |
| charl | hoi psyatw | 09:55 |
| charl | it's embarrasing to admit this but i just found out fedora is actually a type of hat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora | 09:55 |
| charl | fedora linux is a pun on red hat | 09:55 |
| charl | never knew this | 09:55 |
| barrydk | Ok Kilos where do you get such antenna | 09:56 |
| Kilos | they are also available from antenna peeps | 09:56 |
| Kilos | ive had one for cell phones for about 10 years | 09:56 |
| Kilos | Maaz: google where to buy yagi antenna for mobile broadband | 09:57 |
| Maaz | Kilos: "Cellular Antennas, Cell Phone Antenna, Mobile Broadband Antennas" http://www.alternativewireless.com/cellular-antennas/cell-phone-antennas.html :: "Homemade 3G 4G LTE Yagis for all bands - Whirlpool" http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/homemade_yagi :: "Best external antenna for rural Next G - Wireless - BigPond ..." http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1138972 | 09:57 |
| Maaz | :: "Mobile Broadband Antenna | eBay" http://www.ebay.com/bhp/mobile-broadband-antenna :: … | 09:57 |
| Kilos | one of those links might help | 09:58 |
| Kilos | its like a tv antenna but much smaller | 09:58 |
| Kilos | and you point it to where the tower is | 09:58 |
| barrydk | Thanks guys i'll investigate this option | 10:00 |
| Kilos | wb plustwo | 10:02 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | woop woop! | 10:36 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | received contract, signed contract, sent contract | 10:37 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | its resignation time baby! | 10:37 |
| Kilos | hehe yay ThatGraemeGuy | 10:50 |
| superfly | ThatGraemeGuy: :-D | 11:45 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | :) | 11:46 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | they're still looking for 1 more person, same position if anyone is interested or knows someone who may be | 11:51 |
| barrydk | ThatGraemeGuy, what position is that? | 11:56 |
| magespawn | howdy all | 11:59 |
| magespawn | ThatGraemeGuy: take me, take me! | 11:59 |
| barrydk | Hi magespawn | 11:59 |
| Kilos | yo magespawn | 12:00 |
| Kilos | hehe couple more years tudy | 12:00 |
| Kilos | serious it engineer barrydk | 12:03 |
| Kilos | IT | 12:03 |
| Kilos | i cant find the link | 12:04 |
| barrydk | Ok thought it might be programming | 12:04 |
| Kilos | basically a linux guru on top of other things | 12:05 |
| barrydk | Ok If it was novell i might have been interested, but i must still learn a lot about Linux | 12:06 |
| barrydk | BTW i think i'm to old now, my forget is much better than my remember lately | 12:07 |
| magespawn | hey Kilos barrydk | 12:08 |
| barrydk | Hi magespawn | 12:08 |
| Kilos | im trying to find the link | 12:09 |
| magespawn | if you looking for antenna try pointing | 12:09 |
| Kilos | but you peeps talk so much | 12:09 |
| barrydk | k i'll be quiet | 12:09 |
| magespawn | http://www.antennas.co.za/Products/ItemCategories | 12:09 |
| Kilos | lol no man im joking | 12:10 |
| Kilos | and my konversation dont save so far back | 12:10 |
| Kilos | barrydk: what is your 8ta signal like there? | 12:15 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | barrydk: http://hetznercareers.theresumator.com/apply/upwoeD/Linux-And-Database-System-Engineer.html | 12:16 |
| barrydk | The bars were full but the speed was very slow. I cant remember exactly Kilos | 12:16 |
| Kilos | there is a cheap way you can try first | 12:16 |
| Kilos | just make a dish for your modem | 12:17 |
| barrydk | thanks ThatGraemeGuy | 12:17 |
| Kilos | you know how?? | 12:17 |
| barrydk | nope Kilos | 12:17 |
| barrydk | think im gonna learn now | 12:17 |
| Kilos | take a sieve/strainer | 12:17 |
| Kilos | line it with tinfoil and push the modem cable through the middle | 12:18 |
| Kilos | and point it where the tower is | 12:18 |
| Kilos | so the modem stands up in the middle of the dish | 12:19 |
| barrydk | ok was stuck with the modem cable but understand now. | 12:20 |
| Kilos | hold it in place with pressstick till you see how good it works then make a better mount | 12:20 |
| Kilos | just going sudo mount isnt good enough | 12:21 |
| Kilos | we gonna have to say sit graeme soon looks like | 12:22 |
| Kilos | sir | 12:22 |
| barrydk | Problem is i must buy a modem first. our telkom phones were not working for about two years. eventualy telkom gave us new phones it looks like a normal phone but it has a usb plug and takes a sim | 12:22 |
| Kilos | ah their mobiles | 12:22 |
| barrydk | something like that | 12:23 |
| Kilos | and the cable that splits into 2 usb plugs is definitely faster than the single short one | 12:23 |
| Kilos | hehe try one of their fones as a modem | 12:24 |
| Kilos | plug into usb port ans see if nm sees it | 12:24 |
| barrydk | i only tested it phone to pc single usb cable | 12:25 |
| barrydk | The phone can be used as a modem but as i said it is slooowwww | 12:25 |
| Kilos | i wouldnt have know the cable makes a diff if mage hadnt sent me both cables | 12:26 |
| Kilos | known | 12:26 |
| barrydk | what does the cable look like usb on one side and split into two usb's on the other? | 12:27 |
| Kilos | i dunno if it supplies more power to the modem or what but speed is double about | 12:27 |
| Kilos | mini usb on one side and split to 2 usb other side | 12:27 |
| Kilos | for the modems anyway | 12:27 |
| barrydk | ok but the phone must be pluged in to it's charger when used as a modem according the manual, so don't think it would have made a difference | 12:29 |
| Kilos | is the charger a seperate plug | 12:30 |
| Kilos | separate | 12:30 |
| barrydk | yes | 12:30 |
| Kilos | then try the cable with 2 usbs | 12:30 |
| Kilos | hi nlsthzn | 12:31 |
| barrydk | I'll do | 12:31 |
| nlsthzn | o/ | 12:31 |
| Kilos | meeting monday night hey | 12:32 |
| * nlsthzn is working (obviously)... so perhaps I can pop in and say "My name is Slim Shady " | 12:36 | |
| charl | hi nlsthzn | 12:38 |
| charl | i mean, slim shady | 12:38 |
| nlsthzn | :D | 12:38 |
| nlsthzn | alo charl | 12:38 |
| Kilos | lol | 12:40 |
| barrydk | Ok enjoy the rest of the day everyone time for me to go | 12:45 |
| Kilos | hi Zarw | 13:41 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | byeeeeeeeee all! \o/ | 13:58 |
| inetpro | goodbye ThatGraemeGuy | 13:59 |
| inetpro | enjoy the evening | 13:59 |
| Kilos | inetpro: gaan wen die ding http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/554327-Win-with-MyBroadband-Google-Nexus-7-remote-controlled-helicopter | 14:04 |
| Kilos | sjoe , al weer inetpro | 15:03 |
| Kilos | gaan huis toe en rus | 15:03 |
| Kilos | Maaz: coffee on | 16:28 |
| * Maaz flips the salt-timer | 16:28 | |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos! | 16:32 |
| Kilos | Maaz: thanks | 16:32 |
| Maaz | Kilos: No problem | 16:32 |
| Kilos | hi Xethron | 17:47 |
| Kilos | nlsthzn: you still here lad? | 17:48 |
| Kilos | whew | 17:48 |
| Kilos | i thought im all on my lonesome | 17:48 |
| nlsthzn | alo | 18:05 |
| magespawn | good evening | 18:14 |
| Kilos | yo magespawn wb | 18:18 |
| magespawn | looks like a quiet evening | 18:20 |
| Kilos | been terrible all avy | 18:20 |
| Kilos | have you decided on whith bash book to start with | 18:21 |
| Kilos | and also how to download the whole book | 18:21 |
| Kilos | i cant go read or save page by page online | 18:22 |
| magespawn | ctrl-p and print to file, this saves it as a pdf | 18:32 |
| magespawn | just make the copywrite allows you to do this | 18:33 |
| Kilos | oh dont you have to open or save then 1 page at a time? | 18:35 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | hey all | 18:39 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | Kilos: http://www.tldp.org/guides.html | 18:40 |
| Kilos | evening ThatGraemeGuy its gonna rain | 18:40 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | the bash scripting guide is available as single HTML, multi-page HTML tarball, PDF | 18:40 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | pick which you prefer | 18:40 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | yeah probably :-) | 18:40 |
| Kilos | i just want to be able to download and read here | 18:42 |
| Kilos | pdfs are best i think to read with acroread | 18:42 |
| Kilos | ty for that link. i will start with bash for beginners i think or is there something before that | 18:44 |
| Kilos | or is that txt place also a book | 18:46 |
| Kilos | ya that text be kiff and smaller than the others. gracias ThatGraemeGuy | 18:48 |
| Kilos | Maaz: linux manuals | 18:54 |
| Maaz | http://www.tldp.org/guides.html | 18:54 |
| Kilos | inetpro: kom se naand voor ek gaan slaap man | 19:01 |
| Kilos | laat ons hoor wat jy gedoen het | 19:01 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 19:09 |
| superfly | Kubuntu 13.10 | 20:17 |
| superfly | inetpro: ^^ | 20:17 |
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