[00:46] Good morning [05:22] morning! [06:25] morning magespawn and others [06:36] good morning Kilos [06:37] you studying? [06:38] i see wilson is following us on twitter as well [06:38] dunno if its the same one [06:40] do not know, there was also a Huriachi here at 2:30am ish [06:42] aw i was offline [06:43] oh am this morning [06:43] whew [06:43] we need a greeter bot [06:46] hi superfly Superhuman [06:47] morning Kilos [06:47] indeed might encourage people to come back [06:47] and ThatGraemeGuy [06:47] hey superfly [06:48] i installed that thunderbird thing last night. it really isnt as cool as evo [06:48] maybe i gotta work on configuring something [06:49] but it only fetched 2 mails so thats good [06:50] i have been using thunderbird for years now, but i also liked evo's design [06:51] each accound has its own inbox and trash etc [06:51] evo was shown once [06:53] maybe it can be configured to show one inbox/trash etc for all accounts [06:53] but not now [06:53] i am not sure, i prefer it the other way [06:53] oh you like each account seperate [06:54] yup [06:54] ai! i got 7 [06:55] also helps me keep track of where things come from [06:56] if i had a faster pc id run maverick in virtualbox [06:56] evo on maverick is still kiff [06:58] and when i opened thunderbird this morning pc rebooted but only once so far so maybe leater im gonna be swopping ram from other pc to here and see then [06:59] later [06:59] sjoe [06:59] but so far no hassles with modem since evo totally purged [07:09] so it looks like it was some complication with evo that was the problem [07:09] yeah i think so [07:10] maybe not evo directly, but something working with/through etc [07:10] poor ian also struggling with 12.04 kde and modem [07:11] so something in the updates then? [07:12] mailed him the mobile connect script i got from someone when i was still struggling and told him how to do it [07:12] hes sometimes sees the modem and other times not [07:13] dunno if i ever showed you the script, but it works kiff, connects before you desktop is open [07:14] no i have not seen that [07:14] and if you gotta boot from command line it works so you can install graphics drivers and so on [07:14] nice [07:14] ill slexy it [07:14] cool beans [07:18] http://slexy.org/view/s2YrQJ5d51 [07:19] its not setup lekker the commands are at the end [07:19] you start with sudo nano [07:20] and where you see 8ta in two places that used to be "your broadband suppliers name" [07:21] so when nano is open you put that complete script in there and save [07:21] ty Kilos [07:21] yw [07:22] save it any where in particular? [07:22] then you run the next 2 commands [07:22] nano opens a new file [07:22] ctrl+o saves [07:23] with enter of course [07:23] then ctrl+x closes it [07:23] then you go to you nm and edit 8.ta to 8ta [07:23] hi Vince-0 [07:24] haai [07:25] and it must be python methinks, starts with that funny name thing [07:25] starts with an h [07:27] i could be wrong but i think that is a shell script, as in BASH like inetpro was talking about. [07:27] but python right? [07:27] i forget the name of the first line [07:28] will go find it [07:28] no i do not think so [07:31] shebang [07:31] oh doest that one show #!/usr/bin/python [07:31] i go see [07:31] no python in it [07:32] no shows #!/bin/sh [07:32] is sh shell [07:32] yup [07:32] so is that still a shebang? [07:33] or is shebang for python only [07:33] '#!' is the shebang, this indicates the intrepreter [07:34] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_%28Unix%29 [07:35] aha ty [07:35] so much to learn [07:40] as always, and some of the stuff you do not even know you have to learn [07:41] ok so after #!/bin/ it could be python or one of the other languages [07:42] yes [07:42] the shebang is like the pointer to what you wanna do [07:42] the pointer which interpreter to use [07:42] ya [07:44] so shell scripting comes before any of the languages [07:45] and thats what serious hackers use [07:45] to even break linux? [07:47] i think and i stand under correction here, is that shell scripting is used for relatively simple tasks and small programs that need to run without using too many resources [07:48] oh [07:49] so like the modem script, it needs to start at system boot and does nto have any settings to change when started [07:49] aha [07:49] well thats what kept me on 12.04 and not on maverick [07:50] and other tricks like kubuntu only plug in modem after install and reboot [07:50] and unity plug in before reboot but only enable mobile broadband but dont edit connection till rebooted [07:51] sjoe! [07:53] i wonder did barry come right yesterday with his prob [07:54] i did not see anything in the channel [07:54] oh my we chatted lots. gonna be an ai! soon [07:55] people should get here earlier than less to ai about [07:55] lol [07:55] sssshhhhh [07:56] at least it was all linux related [07:57] indeed [07:59] môre inetpro [07:59] * Kilos hides [07:59] but then what is not linux related? [07:59] farming [08:00] i am sure if you look enough there is linux involved in it somwhere [08:00] somewhere [08:01] hehe go my channel [08:02] linux technology to formulate the concentrates they eat [08:13] You should use #!/usr/bin/env python instead of hardcoding the location of your system python -- then it will work correctly if you're using a virtualenv. [08:15] whats the env mean confluency ? [08:16] It's kind of a helper program which figures out what python is the right python to use. [08:16] So you're using a pointer to a pointer to the actual python. [08:16] oh [08:16] ok [08:17] ty [08:18] My favourite WTF python-related error is when someone makes a python script executable and forgets to include a hashbang. The default is assumed to be bash, and the first command in a python script is often import somelibraryname, and in your shell import something is an imagemagick command for taking a screenshot and saving it to a file called comething. So you run your python script, and you get a cursor that you click [08:18] somewhere, and you get a screenshot. [08:19] It took me a while to figure that one out. ;) [08:22] whew [08:32] shebang=hashbang right? [08:34] hmm... kde just went slow mode again. im gonna try ram from other pc [08:34] wbb [08:49] hey guys [08:49] long time no see [08:56] hi the [08:56] grr [08:56] hi theblazehen [08:56] wb [08:57] Trying a new IRC client :) [08:57] http://81.17.30.101:3000/ [08:59] you still on arch? [09:00] Maaz: hi [09:00] * Maaz waves to Kilos [09:00] yeah [09:00] that thing says im disconnected from the server [09:01] ill stay with xchat and konversation [09:01] Kilos: Had to move it to tmux [09:01] wanted to carry on with other stuff on ssh without it always popping up [09:01] ah [09:02] yeah, so I had to take it down for a few seconds [09:04] what happened to your buddy that went to ubuntu [09:05] He went to mint, and is still on it currently [09:05] ah [09:18] Morning all [09:18] hi barrydk any luck yet? [09:18] i forget what broke [09:20] Google earth. No re-install it and now it work for about 10 seconds then it boms out. i used my tab to do what was needed. Will fight it again later if i have time. [09:22] hmm... [09:22] may be better to completely remove it and install from scratch so new conf and all [09:23] I'll play with it when i have time . Yore modem/rooter fixed now? [09:24] yeah works lekker [09:24] Glad you won it [09:25] both pcs can use the 3g connection, but i only using one to save data for next 10 days [09:25] ty [09:25] was a stupid thing like deleting old settings and adding new [09:28] I also want to go that way. At home i use a wi-fi connection from my supplier through a clear-os server which is also my proxy. But my data are very expensive. I'm looking at a rooter from telkom that can take an 8ta sim and then their contrac of 299/month you get 10gb day and 10gb night data. Just dont know how fast or slow it is going to be [09:29] barrydk: MTN has uncapped 315 kbit for around R#50 /month [09:30] R350* [09:31] yeah [09:31] Mtn was very slow and unstable in my area. I'm a mtn subscriber and only get edge, so not realy an option. [09:32] yeah lots of their towers are only edge [09:32] they only worry about peeps in town [09:33] Ja our plaasjapies moet mar sukkel [09:33] hehe [09:33] my 8ta has gone very fast [09:33] got up 2 803kB/s at times [09:34] Are you still using it Kilos ? [09:34] but thats with e220 modem with the double usb plugged in [09:34] yeah i only use 8ta [09:34] and if you got probs they send a tecie to come check whats wrong [09:35] you just gotta wait a week or more [09:35] they even subcontract the techies [09:35] Sounds good. Does your modem have wi fi also? [09:35] ya [09:36] What make is it? [09:36] wifi and 4 eth connections [09:36] Billion [09:37] got from bid or buy or olx [09:37] i forget who [09:37] sounds like something i want i also need the eth connections [09:37] telkom are selling all that [09:38] i dunno if their one has eth [09:38] but shop around [09:39] I looked at one that has but don't have the model with me now [09:39] wb inetpro what did you break now again [09:39] hehe [09:40] dankie Kilos, truth is I don't know what I did wrong [09:40] lol [09:40] addy for hire [09:41] Kilos: good morning anyway :-) [09:41] hello inetpro [09:41] oh and good morning to everyone else [09:41] Hi inetpro [09:41] hi Kilos [09:41] hi inetpro [09:41] hi barrydk [09:41] hi psyatw [09:41] barry de koning? [09:41] :D [09:42] Hi psy [09:42] psyatw. no the servant [09:42] lol [09:51] hi charl [09:51] hi Kilos [09:51] barrydk: you must also check if the router you get can take an external antenna [09:51] like the pro then your signal is super strong [09:53] hi charl [09:55] hoi psyatw [09:55] it's embarrasing to admit this but i just found out fedora is actually a type of hat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora [09:55] fedora linux is a pun on red hat [09:55] never knew this [09:56] Ok Kilos where do you get such antenna [09:56] they are also available from antenna peeps [09:56] ive had one for cell phones for about 10 years [09:57] Maaz: google where to buy yagi antenna for mobile broadband [09:57] Kilos: "Cellular Antennas, Cell Phone Antenna, Mobile Broadband Antennas" http://www.alternativewireless.com/cellular-antennas/cell-phone-antennas.html :: "Homemade 3G 4G LTE Yagis for all bands - Whirlpool" http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/homemade_yagi :: "Best external antenna for rural Next G - Wireless - BigPond ..." http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1138972 [09:57] :: "Mobile Broadband Antenna | eBay" http://www.ebay.com/bhp/mobile-broadband-antenna :: … [09:58] one of those links might help [09:58] its like a tv antenna but much smaller [09:58] and you point it to where the tower is [10:00] Thanks guys i'll investigate this option [10:02] wb plustwo [10:36] woop woop! [10:37] received contract, signed contract, sent contract [10:37] its resignation time baby! [10:50] hehe yay ThatGraemeGuy [11:45] ThatGraemeGuy: :-D [11:46] :) [11:51] they're still looking for 1 more person, same position if anyone is interested or knows someone who may be [11:56] ThatGraemeGuy, what position is that? [11:59] howdy all [11:59] ThatGraemeGuy: take me, take me! [11:59] Hi magespawn [12:00] yo magespawn [12:00] hehe couple more years tudy [12:03] serious it engineer barrydk [12:03] IT [12:04] i cant find the link [12:04] Ok thought it might be programming [12:05] basically a linux guru on top of other things [12:06] Ok If it was novell i might have been interested, but i must still learn a lot about Linux [12:07] BTW i think i'm to old now, my forget is much better than my remember lately [12:08] hey Kilos barrydk [12:08] Hi magespawn [12:09] im trying to find the link [12:09] if you looking for antenna try pointing [12:09] but you peeps talk so much [12:09] k i'll be quiet [12:09] http://www.antennas.co.za/Products/ItemCategories [12:10] lol no man im joking [12:10] and my konversation dont save so far back [12:15] barrydk: what is your 8ta signal like there? [12:16] barrydk: http://hetznercareers.theresumator.com/apply/upwoeD/Linux-And-Database-System-Engineer.html [12:16] The bars were full but the speed was very slow. I cant remember exactly Kilos [12:16] there is a cheap way you can try first [12:17] just make a dish for your modem [12:17] thanks ThatGraemeGuy [12:17] you know how?? [12:17] nope Kilos [12:17] think im gonna learn now [12:17] take a sieve/strainer [12:18] line it with tinfoil and push the modem cable through the middle [12:18] and point it where the tower is [12:19] so the modem stands up in the middle of the dish [12:20] ok was stuck with the modem cable but understand now. [12:20] hold it in place with pressstick till you see how good it works then make a better mount [12:21] just going sudo mount isnt good enough [12:22] we gonna have to say sit graeme soon looks like [12:22] sir [12:22] Problem is i must buy a modem first. our telkom phones were not working for about two years. eventualy telkom gave us new phones it looks like a normal phone but it has a usb plug and takes a sim [12:22] ah their mobiles [12:23] something like that [12:23] and the cable that splits into 2 usb plugs is definitely faster than the single short one [12:24] hehe try one of their fones as a modem [12:24] plug into usb port ans see if nm sees it [12:25] i only tested it phone to pc single usb cable [12:25] The phone can be used as a modem but as i said it is slooowwww [12:26] i wouldnt have know the cable makes a diff if mage hadnt sent me both cables [12:26] known [12:27] what does the cable look like usb on one side and split into two usb's on the other? [12:27] i dunno if it supplies more power to the modem or what but speed is double about [12:27] mini usb on one side and split to 2 usb other side [12:27] for the modems anyway [12:29] ok but the phone must be pluged in to it's charger when used as a modem according the manual, so don't think it would have made a difference [12:30] is the charger a seperate plug [12:30] separate [12:30] yes [12:30] then try the cable with 2 usbs [12:31] hi nlsthzn [12:31] I'll do [12:31] o/ [12:32] meeting monday night hey [12:36] * nlsthzn is working (obviously)... so perhaps I can pop in and say "My name is Slim Shady " [12:38] hi nlsthzn [12:38] i mean, slim shady [12:38] :D [12:38] alo charl [12:40] lol [12:45] Ok enjoy the rest of the day everyone time for me to go [13:41] hi Zarw [13:58] byeeeeeeeee all! \o/ [13:59] goodbye ThatGraemeGuy [13:59] enjoy the evening [14:04] inetpro: gaan wen die ding http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/554327-Win-with-MyBroadband-Google-Nexus-7-remote-controlled-helicopter [15:03] sjoe , al weer inetpro [15:03] gaan huis toe en rus [16:28] Maaz: coffee on [16:28] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [16:32] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [16:32] Maaz: thanks [16:32] Kilos: No problem [17:47] hi Xethron [17:48] nlsthzn: you still here lad? [17:48] whew [17:48] i thought im all on my lonesome [18:05] alo [18:14] good evening [18:18] yo magespawn wb [18:20] looks like a quiet evening [18:20] been terrible all avy [18:21] have you decided on whith bash book to start with [18:21] and also how to download the whole book [18:22] i cant go read or save page by page online [18:32] ctrl-p and print to file, this saves it as a pdf [18:33] just make the copywrite allows you to do this [18:35] oh dont you have to open or save then 1 page at a time? [18:39] hey all [18:40] Kilos: http://www.tldp.org/guides.html [18:40] evening ThatGraemeGuy its gonna rain [18:40] the bash scripting guide is available as single HTML, multi-page HTML tarball, PDF [18:40] pick which you prefer [18:40] yeah probably :-) [18:42] i just want to be able to download and read here [18:42] pdfs are best i think to read with acroread [18:44] ty for that link. i will start with bash for beginners i think or is there something before that [18:46] or is that txt place also a book [18:48] ya that text be kiff and smaller than the others. gracias ThatGraemeGuy [18:54] Maaz: linux manuals [18:54] http://www.tldp.org/guides.html [19:01] inetpro: kom se naand voor ek gaan slaap man [19:01] laat ons hoor wat jy gedoen het [19:09] night all. sleep tight [20:17] Kubuntu 13.10 [20:17] inetpro: ^^