[00:46] <Huriachi> Good morning
[05:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning!
[06:25] <Kilos> morning magespawn and others
[06:36] <magespawn> good morning Kilos
[06:37] <Kilos> you studying?
[06:38] <Kilos> i see wilson is following us on twitter as well
[06:38] <Kilos> dunno if its the same one
[06:40] <magespawn> do not know, there was also a Huriachi here at 2:30am ish
[06:42] <Kilos> aw i was offline
[06:43] <Kilos> oh am this morning
[06:43] <Kilos> whew
[06:43] <Kilos> we need a greeter bot
[06:46] <Kilos> hi superfly Superhuman 
[06:47] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:47] <magespawn> indeed might encourage people to come back
[06:47] <Kilos> and ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:47] <magespawn> hey superfly 
[06:48] <Kilos> i installed that thunderbird thing last night. it really isnt as cool as evo
[06:48] <Kilos> maybe i gotta work on configuring something
[06:49] <Kilos> but it only fetched 2 mails so thats good
[06:50] <magespawn> i have been using thunderbird for years now, but i also liked evo's design
[06:51] <Kilos> each accound has its own inbox and trash etc
[06:51] <Kilos> evo was shown once
[06:53] <Kilos> maybe it can be configured to show one inbox/trash etc for all accounts
[06:53] <Kilos> but not now
[06:53] <magespawn> i am not sure, i prefer it the other way
[06:53] <Kilos> oh you like each account seperate
[06:54] <magespawn> yup
[06:54] <Kilos> ai! i got 7
[06:55] <magespawn> also helps me keep track of where things come from
[06:56] <Kilos> if i had a faster pc id run maverick in virtualbox
[06:56] <Kilos> evo on maverick is still kiff
[06:58] <Kilos> and when i opened thunderbird this morning pc rebooted but only once so far so maybe leater im gonna be swopping ram from other pc to here and see then
[06:59] <Kilos> later
[06:59] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:59] <Kilos> but so far no hassles with modem since evo totally purged
[07:09] <magespawn> so it looks like it was some complication with evo that was the problem
[07:09] <Kilos> yeah i think so
[07:10] <magespawn> maybe not evo directly, but something working with/through etc
[07:10] <Kilos> poor ian also struggling with 12.04 kde and modem
[07:11] <magespawn> so something in the updates then?
[07:12] <Kilos> mailed him the mobile connect script i got from someone when i was still struggling and told him how to do it
[07:12] <Kilos> hes sometimes sees the modem and other times not
[07:13] <Kilos> dunno if i ever showed you the script, but it works kiff, connects before you desktop is open
[07:14] <magespawn> no i have not seen that
[07:14] <Kilos> and if you gotta boot from command line it works so you can install graphics drivers and so on
[07:14] <magespawn> nice
[07:14] <Kilos> ill slexy it
[07:14] <magespawn> cool beans
[07:18] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2YrQJ5d51
[07:19] <Kilos> its not setup lekker the commands are at the end
[07:19] <Kilos> you start with sudo nano
[07:20] <Kilos> and where you see 8ta in two places that used to be "your broadband suppliers name"
[07:21] <Kilos> so when nano is open you put that complete script in there and save
[07:21] <magespawn> ty Kilos
[07:21] <Kilos> yw
[07:22] <magespawn> save it any where in particular?
[07:22] <Kilos> then you run the next 2 commands
[07:22] <Kilos> nano opens a new file
[07:22] <Kilos> ctrl+o saves
[07:23] <Kilos> with enter of course
[07:23] <Kilos> then ctrl+x closes it
[07:23] <Kilos> then you go to you nm and edit 8.ta to 8ta
[07:23] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:24] <Vince-0> haai
[07:25] <Kilos> and it must be python methinks, starts with that funny name thing
[07:25] <Kilos> starts with an h
[07:27] <magespawn> i could be wrong but i think that is a shell script, as in BASH like inetpro was talking about.
[07:27] <Kilos> but python right?
[07:27] <Kilos> i forget the name of the first line
[07:28] <Kilos> will go find it
[07:28] <magespawn> no i do not think so
[07:31] <Kilos> shebang
[07:31] <Kilos> oh doest that one show #!/usr/bin/python
[07:31] <Kilos> i go see
[07:31] <Kilos> no python in it
[07:32] <magespawn> no shows #!/bin/sh
[07:32] <Kilos> is sh shell
[07:32] <magespawn> yup
[07:32] <Kilos> so is that still a shebang?
[07:33] <Kilos> or is shebang for python only
[07:33] <magespawn> '#!' is the shebang, this indicates the intrepreter 
[07:34] <magespawn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_%28Unix%29
[07:35] <Kilos> aha ty
[07:35] <Kilos> so much to learn
[07:40] <magespawn> as always, and some of the stuff you do not even know you have to learn
[07:41] <Kilos> ok so after #!/bin/ it could be python or one of the other languages
[07:42] <magespawn> yes
[07:42] <Kilos> the shebang is like the pointer to what you wanna do
[07:42] <magespawn> the pointer which interpreter to use
[07:42] <Kilos> ya
[07:44] <Kilos> so shell scripting comes before any of the languages
[07:45] <Kilos> and thats what serious hackers use
[07:45] <Kilos> to even break linux?
[07:47] <magespawn> i think and i stand under correction here, is that shell scripting is used for relatively simple tasks and small programs that need to run  without using too many resources
[07:48] <Kilos> oh
[07:49] <magespawn> so like the modem script, it needs to start at system boot and does nto have any settings to change when started
[07:49] <Kilos> aha
[07:49] <Kilos> well thats what kept me on 12.04 and not on maverick
[07:50] <Kilos> and other tricks like kubuntu only plug in modem after install and reboot
[07:50] <Kilos> and unity plug in before reboot but only enable mobile broadband but dont edit connection till rebooted
[07:51] <Kilos> sjoe!
[07:53] <Kilos> i wonder did barry come right yesterday with his prob
[07:54] <magespawn> i did not see anything in the channel
[07:54] <Kilos> oh my we chatted lots. gonna be an ai! soon
[07:55] <magespawn> people should get here earlier than less to ai about
[07:55] <Kilos> lol
[07:55] <Kilos> sssshhhhh
[07:56] <Kilos> at least it was all linux related
[07:57] <magespawn> indeed
[07:59] <Kilos> môre inetpro 
[07:59]  * Kilos hides
[07:59] <magespawn> but then what is not linux related?
[07:59] <Kilos> farming
[08:00] <magespawn> i am sure if you look enough there is linux involved in it somwhere
[08:00] <magespawn> somewhere
[08:01] <Kilos> hehe go my channel
[08:02] <Kilos> linux technology to formulate the concentrates they eat
[08:13] <confluency> You should use #!/usr/bin/env python instead of hardcoding the location of your system python -- then it will work correctly if you're using a virtualenv.
[08:15] <Kilos> whats the env mean confluency ?
[08:16] <confluency> It's kind of a helper program which figures out what python is the right python to use.
[08:16] <confluency> So you're using a pointer to a pointer to the actual python.
[08:16] <Kilos> oh
[08:16] <Kilos> ok
[08:17] <Kilos> ty
[08:18] <confluency> My favourite WTF python-related error is when someone makes a python script executable and forgets to include a hashbang. The default is assumed to be bash, and the first command in a python script is often import somelibraryname, and in your shell import something is an imagemagick command for taking a screenshot and saving it to a file called comething. So you run your python script, and you get a cursor that you click 
[08:18] <confluency> somewhere, and you get a screenshot.
[08:19] <confluency> It took me a while to figure that one out. ;)
[08:22] <Kilos> whew
[08:32] <Kilos> shebang=hashbang right?
[08:34] <Kilos> hmm... kde just went slow mode again. im gonna try ram from other pc
[08:34] <Kilos> wbb
[08:49] <theblazehen> hey guys
[08:49] <theblazehen> long time no see
[08:56] <Kilos> hi the
[08:56] <Kilos> grr
[08:56] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[08:56] <Kilos> wb
[08:57] <theblazehen> Trying a new IRC client :)
[08:57] <theblazehen> http://81.17.30.101:3000/
[08:59] <Kilos> you still on arch?
[09:00] <Kilos> Maaz: hi
[09:00]  * Maaz waves to Kilos
[09:00] <theblazehen> yeah
[09:00] <Kilos> that thing says im disconnected from the server
[09:01] <Kilos> ill stay with xchat and konversation
[09:01] <theblazehen> Kilos: Had to move it to tmux
[09:01] <theblazehen> wanted to carry on with other stuff on ssh without it always popping up
[09:01] <Kilos> ah
[09:02] <theblazehen> yeah, so I had to take it down for a few seconds
[09:04] <Kilos> what happened to your buddy that went to ubuntu
[09:05] <theblazehen> He went to mint, and is still on it currently
[09:05] <Kilos> ah
[09:18] <barrydk> Morning all
[09:18] <Kilos> hi barrydk any luck yet?
[09:18] <Kilos> i forget what broke
[09:20] <barrydk> Google earth. No re-install it and now it work for about 10 seconds then it boms out. i used my tab to do what was needed. Will fight it again later if i have time.
[09:22] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:22] <Kilos> may be better to completely remove it and install from scratch so new conf and all
[09:23] <barrydk> I'll play with it when i have time . Yore modem/rooter fixed now?
[09:24] <Kilos> yeah works lekker
[09:24] <barrydk> Glad you won it
[09:25] <Kilos> both pcs can use the 3g connection, but i only using one to save data for next 10 days
[09:25] <Kilos> ty
[09:25] <Kilos> was a stupid thing like deleting old settings and adding new
[09:28] <barrydk> I also want to go that way. At home i use a wi-fi connection from my supplier through a clear-os server which is also my proxy. But my data are very expensive. I'm looking at a rooter from telkom that can take an 8ta sim and then their contrac of 299/month you get 10gb day and 10gb night data. Just dont know how fast or slow it is going to be
[09:29] <theblazehen> barrydk: MTN has uncapped 315 kbit for around R#50 /month
[09:30] <theblazehen> R350*
[09:31] <Kilos> yeah
[09:31] <barrydk> Mtn was very slow and unstable in my area. I'm a mtn subscriber and only get edge, so not realy an option.
[09:32] <Kilos> yeah lots of their towers are only edge
[09:32] <Kilos> they only worry about peeps in town
[09:33] <barrydk> Ja our plaasjapies moet mar sukkel
[09:33] <Kilos> hehe
[09:33] <Kilos> my 8ta has gone very fast
[09:33] <Kilos> got up 2 803kB/s at times
[09:34] <barrydk> Are you still using it  Kilos ?
[09:34] <Kilos> but thats with e220 modem with the double usb plugged in
[09:34] <Kilos> yeah i only use 8ta
[09:34] <Kilos> and if you got probs they send a tecie to come check whats wrong
[09:35] <Kilos> you just gotta wait a week or more
[09:35] <Kilos> they even subcontract the techies
[09:35] <barrydk> Sounds good. Does your modem have wi fi also?
[09:35] <Kilos> ya
[09:36] <barrydk> What make is it?
[09:36] <Kilos> wifi and 4 eth connections
[09:36] <Kilos> Billion
[09:37] <Kilos> got from bid or buy or olx
[09:37] <Kilos> i forget who
[09:37] <barrydk> sounds like something i want i also need the eth connections
[09:37] <Kilos> telkom are selling all that
[09:38] <Kilos> i dunno if their one has eth
[09:38] <Kilos> but shop around
[09:39] <barrydk> I looked at one that has but don't have the model with me now
[09:39] <Kilos> wb inetpro what did you break now again
[09:39] <Kilos> hehe
[09:40] <inetpro> dankie Kilos, truth is I don't know what I did wrong
[09:40] <Kilos> lol
[09:40] <Kilos> addy for hire
[09:41] <inetpro> Kilos: good morning anyway :-)
[09:41] <Kilos> hello inetpro 
[09:41] <inetpro> oh and good morning to everyone else
[09:41] <barrydk> Hi inetpro 
[09:41] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:41] <psyatw> hi inetpro
[09:41] <psyatw> hi barrydk
[09:41] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[09:41] <psyatw> barry de koning?
[09:41] <psyatw> :D
[09:42] <barrydk> Hi psy
[09:42] <barrydk> psyatw. no the servant
[09:42] <Kilos> lol
[09:51] <Kilos> hi charl 
[09:51] <charl> hi Kilos 
[09:51] <Kilos> barrydk: you must also check if the router you get can take an external antenna
[09:51] <Kilos> like the pro then your signal is super strong
[09:53] <psyatw> hi charl
[09:55] <charl> hoi psyatw 
[09:55] <charl> it's embarrasing to admit this but i just found out fedora is actually a type of hat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora
[09:55] <charl> fedora linux is a pun on red hat
[09:55] <charl> never knew this
[09:56] <barrydk> Ok Kilos  where do you get such antenna  
[09:56] <Kilos> they are also available from antenna peeps
[09:56] <Kilos> ive had one for cell phones for about 10 years
[09:57] <Kilos> Maaz: google where to buy yagi antenna for mobile broadband
[09:57] <Maaz> Kilos: "Cellular Antennas, Cell Phone Antenna, Mobile Broadband Antennas" http://www.alternativewireless.com/cellular-antennas/cell-phone-antennas.html :: "Homemade 3G 4G LTE Yagis for all bands - Whirlpool" http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/homemade_yagi :: "Best external antenna for rural Next G - Wireless - BigPond ..." http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1138972
[09:57] <Maaz> :: "Mobile Broadband Antenna | eBay" http://www.ebay.com/bhp/mobile-broadband-antenna :: …
[09:58] <Kilos> one of those links might help
[09:58] <Kilos> its like a tv antenna but much smaller
[09:58] <Kilos> and you point it to where the tower is
[10:00] <barrydk> Thanks guys i'll investigate this option
[10:02] <Kilos> wb plustwo 
[10:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> woop woop!
[10:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> received contract, signed contract, sent contract
[10:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> its resignation time baby!
[10:50] <Kilos> hehe yay ThatGraemeGuy 
[11:45] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: :-D
[11:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> :)
[11:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> they're still looking for 1 more person, same position if anyone is interested or knows someone who may be
[11:56] <barrydk> ThatGraemeGuy, what position is that?
[11:59] <magespawn> howdy all
[11:59] <magespawn> ThatGraemeGuy: take me, take me!
[11:59] <barrydk> Hi magespawn 
[12:00] <Kilos> yo magespawn 
[12:00] <Kilos> hehe couple more years tudy
[12:03] <Kilos> serious it engineer barrydk 
[12:03] <Kilos> IT
[12:04] <Kilos> i cant find the link
[12:04] <barrydk> Ok thought it might be programming
[12:05] <Kilos> basically a linux guru on top of other things
[12:06] <barrydk> Ok If it was novell i might have been interested, but i must still learn a lot about Linux
[12:07] <barrydk> BTW i think i'm to old now, my forget is much better than my remember lately
[12:08] <magespawn> hey Kilos barrydk
[12:08] <barrydk> Hi magespawn 
[12:09] <Kilos> im trying to find the link
[12:09] <magespawn> if you looking for antenna try pointing
[12:09] <Kilos> but you peeps talk so much
[12:09] <barrydk> k i'll be quiet
[12:09] <magespawn> http://www.antennas.co.za/Products/ItemCategories
[12:10] <Kilos> lol no man im joking
[12:10] <Kilos> and my konversation dont save so far back
[12:15] <Kilos> barrydk: what is your 8ta signal like there?
[12:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> barrydk: http://hetznercareers.theresumator.com/apply/upwoeD/Linux-And-Database-System-Engineer.html
[12:16] <barrydk> The bars were full but the speed was very slow. I cant remember exactly Kilos 
[12:16] <Kilos> there is a cheap way you can try first
[12:17] <Kilos> just make a dish for your modem
[12:17] <barrydk> thanks ThatGraemeGuy 
[12:17] <Kilos> you know how??
[12:17] <barrydk> nope Kilos 
[12:17] <barrydk> think im gonna learn now
[12:17] <Kilos> take a sieve/strainer 
[12:18] <Kilos> line it with tinfoil and push the modem cable through the middle
[12:18] <Kilos> and point it where the tower is
[12:19] <Kilos> so the modem stands up in the middle of the dish
[12:20] <barrydk> ok was stuck with the modem cable but understand now. 
[12:20] <Kilos> hold it in place with pressstick till you see how good it works then make a better mount
[12:21] <Kilos> just going sudo mount isnt good enough
[12:22] <Kilos> we gonna have to say sit graeme soon looks like
[12:22] <Kilos> sir
[12:22] <barrydk> Problem is i must buy a modem first. our telkom phones were not working for about two years. eventualy telkom gave us new phones it looks like a normal phone but it has a usb plug and takes a sim 
[12:22] <Kilos> ah their mobiles
[12:23] <barrydk> something like that
[12:23] <Kilos> and the cable that splits into 2 usb plugs is definitely faster than the single short one
[12:24] <Kilos> hehe try one of their fones as a modem
[12:24] <Kilos> plug into usb port ans see if nm sees it
[12:25] <barrydk> i only tested it phone to pc single usb cable
[12:25] <barrydk> The phone can be used as a modem but as i said it is slooowwww
[12:26] <Kilos> i wouldnt have know the cable makes a diff if mage hadnt sent me both cables
[12:26] <Kilos> known
[12:27] <barrydk> what does the cable look like usb on one side and split into two usb's on the other?
[12:27] <Kilos> i dunno if it supplies more power to the modem or what but speed is double about
[12:27] <Kilos> mini usb on one side and split to 2 usb other side
[12:27] <Kilos> for the modems anyway
[12:29] <barrydk> ok but the phone must be pluged in to it's charger when used as a modem according the manual, so don't think it would have made a difference
[12:30] <Kilos> is the charger a seperate plug
[12:30] <Kilos> separate
[12:30] <barrydk> yes
[12:30] <Kilos> then try the cable with 2 usbs
[12:31] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[12:31] <barrydk> I'll do 
[12:31] <nlsthzn> o/
[12:32] <Kilos> meeting monday night hey
[12:36]  * nlsthzn is working (obviously)... so perhaps I can pop in and say "My name is Slim Shady " 
[12:38] <charl> hi nlsthzn 
[12:38] <charl> i mean, slim shady
[12:38] <nlsthzn> :D
[12:38] <nlsthzn> alo charl 
[12:40] <Kilos> lol
[12:45] <barrydk> Ok enjoy the rest of the day everyone time for me to go
[13:41] <Kilos> hi Zarw 
[13:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> byeeeeeeeee all! \o/
[13:59] <inetpro> goodbye ThatGraemeGuy
[13:59] <inetpro> enjoy the evening
[14:04] <Kilos> inetpro: gaan wen die ding http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/554327-Win-with-MyBroadband-Google-Nexus-7-remote-controlled-helicopter
[15:03] <Kilos> sjoe , al weer inetpro 
[15:03] <Kilos> gaan huis toe en rus
[16:28] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee on
[16:28]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[16:32] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:32] <Kilos> Maaz: thanks
[16:32] <Maaz> Kilos: No problem
[17:47] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[17:48] <Kilos> nlsthzn: you still here lad?
[17:48] <Kilos> whew
[17:48] <Kilos> i thought im all on my lonesome
[18:05] <nlsthzn> alo
[18:14] <magespawn> good evening
[18:18] <Kilos> yo magespawn wb
[18:20] <magespawn> looks like a quiet evening
[18:20] <Kilos> been terrible all avy
[18:21] <Kilos> have you decided on whith bash book to start with
[18:21] <Kilos> and also how to download the whole book
[18:22] <Kilos> i cant go read or save page by page online
[18:32] <magespawn> ctrl-p and print to file, this saves it as a pdf
[18:33] <magespawn> just make the copywrite allows you to do this
[18:35] <Kilos> oh dont you have to open or save then 1 page at a time?
[18:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> hey all
[18:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: http://www.tldp.org/guides.html
[18:40] <Kilos> evening ThatGraemeGuy its gonna rain
[18:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> the bash scripting guide is available as single HTML, multi-page HTML tarball, PDF
[18:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> pick which you prefer
[18:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah probably :-)
[18:42] <Kilos> i just want to be able to download and read here
[18:42] <Kilos> pdfs are best i think to read with acroread
[18:44] <Kilos> ty for that link. i will start with bash for beginners i think or is there something before that 
[18:46] <Kilos> or is that txt place also a book
[18:48] <Kilos> ya that text be kiff and smaller than the others. gracias ThatGraemeGuy 
[18:54] <Kilos> Maaz: linux manuals
[18:54] <Maaz> http://www.tldp.org/guides.html
[19:01] <Kilos> inetpro: kom se naand voor ek gaan slaap man
[19:01] <Kilos> laat ons hoor wat jy gedoen het
[19:09] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:17] <superfly> Kubuntu 13.10
[20:17] <superfly> inetpro: ^^