[02:18] <OvenWerks> zequence: more grub stuff... After having a look at all the grub stuff I can find... I think that grub could be changed upstream in a way that might be good for more than just studio.
[02:22] <OvenWerks> I think another parameter could be added to /etc/default/grub (GRUB_DEFAULT_KERNAL_NAME or something) where the name might be anything. Generic, lowlatency, RT, experimental... or whatever.
[02:24] <OvenWerks> It could even be used to limit the default to a kernel series where there were two in the same release... for example to default 3.11.* over 3.12.* if there was a problem with 3.12 in the users use case.
[02:25]  * smartboyhw just wants zequence to approve the release notes and release announcement and stuff:(
[02:28] <OvenWerks> There is a point where a list of kernels is passed to a "find latest kernel" script and it would be easy to limit that list to one that only includes $GRUB_DEFAULT_KERNAL_NAME. The list could then be expanded to add the rest for the rest of kernels for the rest of the entries.
[02:28] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: I don't think I have that power
[02:28] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, maybe just have a read?
[02:28] <OvenWerks> where.
[02:28] <smartboyhw> Wait
[02:29] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, release notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio
[02:29] <OvenWerks> releasse notes would only have generic ubuntu plus any new kernels
[02:29] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, don't worry the kernel info is up-to-date:P
[02:30] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6012528/ for announcement
[02:32] <OvenWerks> are we 5 year or 3 support ofr LTS?
[02:32] <OvenWerks> *for
[02:33] <OvenWerks> I guess whatever the original anouncement says we have to go with
[02:34] <OvenWerks> (12.04.0)
[02:34] <OvenWerks> That is all that sticks out to me.
[02:34] <OvenWerks> The family needs my attention for a few hours now.
[02:35] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, 5 years.
[02:35] <OvenWerks> ok
[02:35] <smartboyhw> zequence decided that:P
[02:36] <OvenWerks> be back in an hour or so
[02:36] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, sure
[04:40] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: didyou get anywhere?
[04:46] <OvenWerks> Hmm, is there any reason we ship an empty /etc/skel/ ?
[05:00] <OvenWerks> ubuntustudio-default-settings.gconf-defaults looks kinda old/invalid too.
[05:05] <OvenWerks> .postinst and .postrm both mv a file that doesn't exist...
[05:05]  * OvenWerks has some cleanup to do...
[05:06] <OvenWerks> .preinst too. None of them need to be there in the form they are now I think.
[05:08] <OvenWerks> Maybe a try at upgrading 11.04 11.10 plus.
[05:08] <OvenWerks>  Probably better off not to though.
[05:09] <zequence> smartboyhw: I've been really busy
[05:09] <zequence> I'm working as a teacher during day time now
[05:10] <OvenWerks> Good stuff
[05:10] <zequence> Just for this and the next week, so it's only temporary
[05:10] <OvenWerks> micahg seems to have gone too.
[05:10] <zequence> I'm a student otherwise, but currently looking for work. Looking for some Unix/Linux type of jobs right now
[05:12] <zequence> smartboyhw: Looks fine to me
[05:13] <zequence> At the moment, I can't do any work at all. I passed my Linux+ exam yesterday
[05:13] <zequence> I'm just swamped with other responsibilities right now
[05:13] <zequence> So, -controls and whatever else needs to wait until next cycle, I'm afraid
[05:13] <OvenWerks> zequence: is there some command that needs to be issued to make his work publish? or can smartboyhw do it on his own?
[05:14] <zequence> OvenWerks: Is there something that still needs to be uploaded for you
[05:14] <zequence> ?
[05:14] <OvenWerks> two packages ready to go.
[05:14] <zequence> OvenWerks: No, he just passes the link to the release team.
[05:14] <zequence> ubuntustudio-menu and -installer?
[05:15] <OvenWerks> -settings needs some work still.
[05:15] <OvenWerks> but the other two packages need to be avaiable first not to break things
[05:16] <zequence> OvenWerks: I'm looking for help on #ubuntu-motu
[05:17] <OvenWerks> It looks like stock xfce menu is going to get fixed so we won't need to have one on our settings package. Our menu stub will do the whole thing
[05:17] <OvenWerks> sounds good
[05:18] <OvenWerks> It may be tomorrow before someone answers though. but I'll be around
[05:19] <OvenWerks> I willmonitor ubuntu-motu
[10:12] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, zequence OK:)
[10:12] <smartboyhw> Thank you:P
[10:53] <smartboyhw> xequence, hello:)
[10:56] <xequence> hi smartboyhw. you know a good irc client for android?
[10:56] <smartboyhw> xequence, AndroIRC, that's what I use
[10:56] <smartboyhw> When I am at mobile ofc
[10:57] <smartboyhw> I just bought a new phone (so whopping new, it just came out less than a week:O)
[10:59] <xequence> mine is whopping old and if I
[11:00] <xequence> nope need to change client
[11:10] <xequence> no autocomplete...
[11:12] <smartboyhw> xequence, well, try another one
[12:15] <cub> xequence, I'm about to write up an evaluation on the mug I bought. Should I spam the devel-list with that or keep it to you and ttoine? Perhaps madeinkobaia.
[12:26] <cub> zequence, ^
[12:58] <OvenWerks> cub is your intent to see if things can be improved? or to suggest other people should/should_not buy?
[12:59] <OvenWerks> If you are looking for improvement or are suggesting it get changed, talk directly.
[13:00] <cub> yes it's printing mistake related. The font is cropped in the bottom, the colours seem a bit too light etc.
[13:01] <OvenWerks> ttoine (did I spell it right) would be the one to talk to.
[13:01] <cub> yup, just sent an email with pictures
[13:01] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, but that normally involves zequence and made
[13:01] <OvenWerks> Colour should be easy to change
[13:01] <smartboyhw> *madeinkobaia
[13:01] <cub> yes all three got it. :)
[13:02] <cub> Now I will go and fill the mug with hot coffee for the third time today.
[13:02] <OvenWerks> what one sees on a monitor and what prints are often not the same. cropping can be fixed by shrinking.
[13:03] <OvenWerks> cub: I am on my first... it is only 0600 here
[13:04] <knome> OvenWerks, "only"? that sounds like a really late night ;)
[13:04] <smartboyhw> LOL
[13:05] <cub> ouch OvenWerks I woke at 0558 when my daughter coffed. But both of us went back to sleep.:P
[13:05] <OvenWerks> I'm on hollidays so I can get up late :)
[13:06]  * knome woke after noon today, and it's a regular "working day"
[13:07] <xequence> cub,  mine also had less color, but it was acceptac
[13:07] <OvenWerks> My Yf got up at 0500 to go to work and I find once up I am better off staying up.
[13:07] <xequence> Acceptable
[13:07] <cub> xequence, yes it's still blue and looks good.
[13:08] <xequence> But cropped fonts sound bad
[13:08]  * OvenWerks would like a mug,
[13:08] <knome> bbl
[13:08] <cub> the handle on the mug is excellent. Fits my hand perfectly. I could go for it to contain more coffee but you can't get everything
[13:11] <OvenWerks> I would like stickers.
[13:12] <cub> xequence, is there any documentation on applications that hvae been considered for Ubuntu Studio but didn't make it? With some explaination on why it was dropped?
[13:12] <OvenWerks> It would be in the workflow documentation if anywhere.
[13:12] <xequence> cub could take a picture of the font
[13:13] <OvenWerks> app inclusion has eveolved...
[13:13] <OvenWerks> for a long time we stayed away from the kde libs
[13:13] <OvenWerks> (for size reasons)
[13:14] <OvenWerks> But mainly we are trying to include just enough apps to be able to do the workflow well
[13:14] <xequence> cub currently theres Noone working on that. Someone just needs to pick a workflow and start working on that
[13:15] <OvenWerks> apps have to be available in our repos.
[13:16] <OvenWerks> apps that are not on our ISO can still be added to the "extra sw installer".
[13:18] <OvenWerks> apps that need another repo can be added to the "extra sw installer" too, but will only show up if/when the repo it belongs to is added.
[13:18]  * OvenWerks would like to see the non mixer available.
[13:20] <OvenWerks> cub: we have also tried to make sure that even apps we don't include at all are in the right menu.
[13:23] <cub> xequence, the are pictures in the email I sent you about 15 mnutes ago
[13:24] <xequence> cub ok. Will check later
[13:25] <cub> xequence, OvenWerks, ok I was wondering since I saw a question about Cinelerra. It's not in any repos and even though it's open source it's not a community product. But there is community cinelerra-cv so I wondered how similar things was handled.
[13:25] <OvenWerks> cub: That has to be user installed
[13:26] <cub> some documentation on "App Xyz was not included because unstable/no repos/licensing issues/etc". Then everyone would know and it would be easier when reviews later on that "oh with this new version we could add it."
[13:28] <OvenWerks> wiki page?
[13:28] <cub> OvenWerks, how do you manage the menu for applications that is not included? Do you list every possible app you've heard of? :D
[13:28] <OvenWerks> I try to.
[13:29] <cub> yeah, a wiki page would probably be the best..if someone would have the time and will to maintain it.
[13:29] <OvenWerks> I have installed lots of things we don't include just to find out what the desktop file is called
[13:29] <OvenWerks> cub thing is we could over fill a DVD if we included everything.
[13:30] <cub> yeah
[13:30] <cub> and then all the people screaming "bloatware" would have a field day.
[13:31] <OvenWerks> The thing that keeps getting pushed back but we really want.. is for all the SW to be on the live ISO but to be able to just install a subset.
[13:32] <OvenWerks> For example just the video workflow.
[13:32] <cub> while we are online at the same time OvenWerks, the gnome-orca I'm trying to add to the seed. In the branch there is a file "desktop" but there's also a "desktop-gnome" file.
[13:32] <OvenWerks> use desktop
[13:32] <cub> and the desktop-gnome have the gnome-orca in it. I suppose it just to copy the same thing to the "desktop" file?
[13:32] <OvenWerks> desktop-gnome is experimental just now.
[13:32] <OvenWerks> sure.
[13:33] <cub> cool. Won't be until later this week though
[13:33] <OvenWerks> desktop-gnome and desktop-kde are for "spinoff" ISOs
[13:33] <cub> aha
[13:34] <cub> Workflow installations would be sweet. I'm also thinking of setting up a mini audio installation for my eee pc following your links on nama
[13:34] <OvenWerks> personally, I am leaning more towards some thing that just installs studio on top of other DEs
[13:36] <cub> It would be awesome to be able to run a terminal only installation on my eee pc, record a session with ecasound and then bring it home to Ardour for mixing.
[13:37] <OvenWerks> like maybe have an ISO that has an installer, and all the SW on it (maybe including the extras) but no live de.
[13:37] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, cub you want an alternate ISO!!!??!?!
[13:37] <OvenWerks> cub you would have to import it as wave files
[13:37] <smartboyhw> :O
[13:37] <smartboyhw> Only Lubuntu has it now
[13:37] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: no
[13:37] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, that is an ISO with no live de and with instaler
[13:37] <smartboyhw> *installer
[13:37] <cub> no I would most likely install US and then strip it down.
[13:38] <cub> or install another mini, like Debian and add a RT kernel
[13:38] <OvenWerks> cub that is what I did
[13:38] <cub> OvenWerks, yes but it should work if all the tracks start at the same time. I hope. It's all theory so far.
[13:38] <OvenWerks> but I am finding I don't have enough memory to keep jack happy
[13:39] <cub> hmm how much RAM is minimum?
[13:39] <OvenWerks> ya that would work, I just wanted to make sure you didn't think it was a one step process
[13:39] <OvenWerks> I only have 192m
[13:39] <cub> wow
[13:39] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, you should use LXDE:p
[13:40] <OvenWerks> It is an old P300
[13:40] <smartboyhw> Maybe not, Lubuntu doesn't even recommend 192MB I think
[13:40] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: it is neadless
[13:40] <cub> smartboyhw, No DE is even better. :P
[13:40] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, neadless?
[13:40] <OvenWerks> no monitor
[13:40] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, :O
[13:40] <OvenWerks> headless
[13:40] <OvenWerks> the session manager is screen
[13:40] <cub> OvenWerks, do you have any experience with recording to SD cards?
[13:41] <OvenWerks> need more ram
[13:41] <OvenWerks> basically you need enough ram for the whole song
[13:41] <OvenWerks> (probably all tracks too)
[13:42] <OvenWerks> sd writing is pretty slow.
[13:42] <cub> For my needs I would probably need to record 1-2 tracks and playback of 8-16 tracks.
[13:43] <OvenWerks> 1gig should be enough
[13:43] <cub> which is what I have. :D
[13:43] <OvenWerks> I don't know how much smaller you can go
[13:43] <OvenWerks> but I was able to do quite a lot with my netbook
[13:43] <cub> The newer SD cards should have ok writing, no? Since they are used for video recordings
[13:43] <OvenWerks> and that had a GUI running
[13:44] <OvenWerks> I am going by USB sticks which are the same tech. Writing is about 1/4 to 1/2 read speed.
[13:44] <cub> I haven't checked, but would USB be slower than SD?
[13:46] <OvenWerks> The way I look at it is: I have a USB(2.0) hard drive and find it quite acceptable speed wise. A USB stick is much slower... as in not usable
[13:46] <OvenWerks> The USB IF is not the bottleneck the memory write is
[13:47] <cub> Hmm I could bring my external usb harddrive in that case. But it's much bigger than to just pop out the SD card.
[13:47] <OvenWerks> The SSD disks get around it by doing multi writes
[13:48] <cub> I need to investigate it further when I come back to recording. Which might be in 2017...
[13:48] <OvenWerks> it will be a hwole new world by then
[13:49] <cub> and my computers will be staggering if not dead by then :D
[13:49] <OvenWerks> my P 300 will probably still be running, but much newer stuff will be dead...
[14:11] <zequence> I stil have an Atari that my uncle used to use for web browsing in the late eighties. If all else fails..
[14:11] <zequence> late 90s, I mean
[14:26] <smartboyhw> zequence, OvenWerks can you give me some sort of change summary for Ubuntu Studio 13.10?
[14:28] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: still waiting for it to happen :P
[14:28] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, at least things before FF :P
[14:28] <OvenWerks> created our own installer, new menu icons, grub screen now will say UbuntuStudio
[14:29] <OvenWerks> new menu
[14:29] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, GRUB actually shows UbuntuStudio now? Awesome
[14:29] <OvenWerks> should be only one session (no xfce session)
[14:29] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, ?
[14:29] <OvenWerks> It does on my machine, the change is not up yet
[14:30] <OvenWerks> Right now there is an xfce session with stock xfce menu that confuses people, we just want the studio session to be available
[14:31] <OvenWerks> I am also working on adding the latest lowlatency as default even if there is a newer generic installed for some reason
[14:33] <OvenWerks> After FF I think I will see if I can do some grub changes upstream... for example to make multi-ubuntu partitions easier to tell apart.
[14:36] <OvenWerks> I would like to see ubiquity: A) keep a partition's label intact when it uses that partition to install on. B) offer to name/rename the partition's label.
[14:38] <OvenWerks> this would make sysadmin and unmounted partition use much easier. Trying to recongize which UUID in /media goes to which drive is painful. If the partition has a label, the mounter uses that instead.
[14:48] <cub> smartboyhw, I'm working on putting in Accessibility tools to simplify the installation process for visually impaired, in the form of screen reader. Though, we'll see if it will actually work so very preliminary.
[14:48] <smartboyhw> cub, will you be able to finish it before FeatureFreeze?
[14:48] <holstein> cub: ping
[14:48] <cub> the application will be there before FF.
[14:49] <cub> since it's already in Ubuntu.
[14:49] <smartboyhw> cub, OK
[14:49] <holstein> oh.. you are there :)
[14:49] <smartboyhw> cub, that shouldn't be difficult:P
[14:49] <cub> not to get it in there no. To make it work in xfce is another matter. :P
[14:49] <cub> but that I can continue to work out after FF
[14:50] <cub> holstein, pong!
[14:50] <smartboyhw> cub, but don't forget: three options for Xfce implemenation: 1. Request FFe or 2. Leave it till 13.10
[14:50] <smartboyhw> Oops, 14.04 LTS:P
[14:50] <holstein> cub: i/we had done a few things since you mentioned changing the topic, and i wanted to get your thoughts
[14:50] <cub> yes, but I would like to get it in for 13.10 so we can evaluate properly if it will stay in there for 14.04
[14:51] <OvenWerks> cub: soon as you have a merge let me know... or subcribe me/askfor review.
[14:51] <smartboyhw> cub, we can request FFe (not for the app itself, but for your Xfce implemetation)
[14:51] <cub> OvenWerks, will do. Won't be until the weekend at the earliest
[14:51] <OvenWerks> NO prob
[14:51] <cub> smartboyhw, I don't follow?
[14:51] <smartboyhw> Paperwork for FFe and SRU is unfortunately what I normally do:P
[14:51] <zequence> For 14.04 we should really make the planning solid. And get all of our unfinished work done, that is hanging around
[14:52] <smartboyhw> cub, you said you want to make it work in Xfce right?
[14:52] <cub> yes.
[14:52] <holstein> zequence: ping
[14:52] <zequence> holstein: pong
[14:52] <smartboyhw> cub, and the work will be done after FF?
[14:52]  * holstein is pinging everyone ;)
[14:52] <zequence> :D
[14:52] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:52] <smartboyhw> :D
[14:52] <cub> from what I gathered from the orca community it works with xfce, but you might have to do a few tweaks to get it to work perfectly
[14:52] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: I don't think he knows
[14:53] <smartboyhw> cub, FF = FeatureFreeze. FFe = FeatureFreezeException
[14:53] <smartboyhw> FFe is used when you want to implement a feature AFTER FeatureFreeze.
[14:53] <holstein> zequence: before you came on, the mixbux folk where wanting to make ubuntustudio the "official" distro for it.. i had told them that we would talk about it, but i dont think anything ever happened
[14:53] <cub> smartboyhw,  I hope to have everything done before FF. But will concentrate on getting the gnome-orca included first so it's at least in there from the start.
[14:53] <zequence> holstein: Was that a really long time ago?
[14:53] <smartboyhw> cub, I do have to remind you: FF is exactly one week later
[14:53] <cub> I was told that after FF I would be alo
[14:54] <cub> allowed to fix buds
[14:54] <holstein> zequence: i had told the mixbus folks that nothing we were doing was preventing them from doing that anyway.. but it might be nice to have that conversation with harrison, or whatever.. since AVlinux is "dead"
[14:54] <cub> bugs
[14:54] <smartboyhw> cub, if you apply for a FFe you will also be allowed to implement new things.
[14:54] <holstein> zequence: at least 12.10 or 12.04
[14:54] <smartboyhw> Huh, that's LONG time ago:P
[14:54] <zequence> holstein: 12.04 is pretty decent now, so that should work
[14:54] <zequence> 14.04, hopefully, will be exceptional :P
[14:55]  * smartboyhw +1's zequence 
[14:55] <cub> holstein, I think the topic change might have improved the public behaviour some. Though it's hard to say for sure. I haven't anyone storm out of the channel screaming since though.
[14:55] <zequence> holstein: I guess, like you said, we don't really need to help decide that
[14:55] <zequence> holstein: But, we could assist by answering any questions they have
[14:56] <holstein> cub: well, let me know if you want to re-visit your concern.. i agree that it is/was an issue, and we'll just try somethings and see if we can address it :)
[14:56] <zequence> holstein: What's the irc channel for mixbus, do you know?
[14:56] <holstein> zequence: let me casually mention it to the channel
[14:56] <OvenWerks> #ardour-mixbus I think
[14:57] <holstein> #ardour-mixbus ^^ yup
[14:57] <cub> smartboyhw, since the application is already in the Ubuntu live dvd it should be easy for us to add it to our seed, right? So it will be ok for FF? If we are lucky it will be enough and work out of the box. (Though form what I've seen it doesn't but you never know).
[14:57] <cub> Or would that mean we should go for FFe?
[14:58] <smartboyhw> cub, here's the situation.
[14:58] <zequence> cub: Just add the application(s) you want right away
[14:58] <smartboyhw> Of course we can easily get orca within our seeds
[14:58] <smartboyhw> And before FF
[14:58] <smartboyhw> BUT, after FeatureFreeze if you want to make it work better in Xfce and make it available, you need FFe.
[14:58] <zequence> cub: There's nothing preventing us to add anything we want
[14:59] <zequence> except common sense of course..
[14:59] <cub> zequence, how and where do I make the "application"?
[14:59] <smartboyhw> cub, the seeds
[14:59] <zequence> cub: Have you checked the seeds yet?
[14:59] <cub> ah sorry misunderstodd
[14:59] <zequence> Just read through the files, and you'll know how it works
[14:59] <cub> I mixed up application as in program and application as in "application form". :P
[15:00] <zequence> We don't need to ask anyones permission
[15:00] <zequence> We just add what we want
[15:00] <cub> zequence, yes I have checked them and all the information I would add is actually already in the desktop-gnome file.
[15:00] <zequence> or, what we need, more accurately
[15:00] <cub> but I have a few other questions around how to do it, but won't have time to start meddling with that until the weekend.
[15:01] <zequence> cub: The desktop-gnome file is not used for anything. It's there for testing the gnome deskto
[15:01] <zequence> nothing in the desktop-gnome file ends up on the image
[15:01] <zequence> Let me remove it..
[15:01] <cub> yeah I talked to OvenWerks about that. But the correct formatting for gnome-orca is in there so I would just copy that to the correct desktop file.
[15:02] <zequence> cub: Well, sure. What is that you need for it anyway, besides "orca"
[15:02] <zequence> ?
[15:02] <cub> Only the dependencies
[15:02] <smartboyhw> cub, the dependencies will get automatically in
[15:02] <zequence> cub: You don't need to list dependencies
[15:02] <cub> exactly
[15:02] <smartboyhw> So, just need to add orca
[15:02] <cub> yes.
[15:03] <OvenWerks> Added gnome-orca to desktop
[15:03] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, we need a ubuntustudio-meta upload for that
[15:03] <OvenWerks> It should show in the next ISO
[15:03] <smartboyhw> micahg can help:P
[15:03] <cub> did you do it already OvenWerks ?
[15:03] <zequence> OvenWerks: cub is supposed to do that, so he learns how it works
[15:03] <OvenWerks> The meta upload is not neede for seeds
[15:04] <OvenWerks> Would you like it undone cub?
[15:04] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, but if somebody installs it using Stock Ubuntu, it might be better to use the metas
[15:04] <smartboyhw> it = Ubuntu Studio
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Every time when there is a seed update, it would be the best to also at the same time update the meta.
[15:05] <zequence> OvenWerks: Never mind. And also, cub is not working on the main branch. He's working on a separate branch that he'd need to do merge requests from
[15:05] <cub> No leave it in. Then I can compare with my "version" and I might add the brltty as well to improve on the braille output
[15:05] <OvenWerks> micahg will do it when he is back
[15:06] <OvenWerks> He seems to be out for the week.\
[15:06]  * smartboyhw thinks OvenWerks and zequence should learn to do a meta-upload
[15:07]  * cub is tuning in on the xubuntu-devel meeting
[15:08] <zequence> I removed desktop-gnome as well now
[15:08] <zequence> We won't need the seed file anyway, even if we will be providing metas for other DEs
[15:09] <zequence> as they won't be on the image, but need to be downloaded - if installed, even during installation
[15:10] <OvenWerks> zequence: is our metas branch derived from seeds? (or partly)
[15:12] <zequence> OvenWerks: Yes, fully. But, we can also add metas that have specific lists of dependencies - not deriving from seeds
[15:13] <zequence> In the case of all of our current metas, we want them all to be on the image, so using seeds is needed
[15:13] <OvenWerks> Ya, ok that is what I meant by partly, the seeded metas plus others
[15:13] <zequence> We don't have others currently. Only metas generated from seeds
[15:14] <OvenWerks> ok
[15:14] <zequence> The additional DEs should probably not be on the image, so they should also not be in seeds
[15:14] <OvenWerks> I hadn't looked that close
[15:14] <OvenWerks> I agree
[15:38] <OvenWerks> For those who didn't see, xubuntu will not run xMIR for 13.10
[15:39] <smartboyhw> So we won't.
[15:39] <knome> smartboyhw, you can if you want.
[15:39] <OvenWerks> knome: we will probably lag behind xubuntu.
[15:41] <knome> sure, but please realize that you're not locked with X with our decision :)
[15:42] <OvenWerks> however, we will be doing testing with MIR as it shows up and stablizes as some of work will end up on DEs that do use MIR.
[15:42] <knome> yup
[15:42] <knome> sounds fair
[16:40] <Navion> Does anyone know of a a cheap (under $150 US) 1U appliance that can run Ubuntu Studio? Would be cool if it could run from a 12V power supply.
[18:00] <OvenWerks> zequence: I think I can put another entry in the grub menu above what is now the default that will always be the latest lowlatency kernel.
[18:02] <OvenWerks> (without putting a patch against grub)
[18:02] <OvenWerks> The end result would be:
[18:02] <OvenWerks> UbuntuStudio (lowlatency)
[18:03] <OvenWerks> UbuntuStudio
[18:03] <OvenWerks> Advanced Options
[18:03] <OvenWerks> etc.
[18:04] <OvenWerks> The second item would hit the same kernel as the first if it happened to be the latest of all kernels.
[18:05] <OvenWerks> I could also put:
[18:05] <OvenWerks> UbuntuStudio (lowlatency)
[18:06] <OvenWerks> Advanced Options
[18:06] <OvenWerks> The grub menu the way it is now...
[18:07] <OvenWerks> That would make it seem that there was one more partition than there is.
[18:07] <OvenWerks> That is why I chose the first option.
[18:11] <OvenWerks> The third option is to replace /etc/grub.d/10_linux with our own version. Bad idea as a grub update will either fail or overwrite it.
[18:14] <OvenWerks> option 4... chmod -x /etc/grub.d/10_linux (one of the suggested methods actually) but I don't know what happens on grub being updayed to a new version... same as above...
[18:28] <zequence> OvenWerks: No way to make the first entry be rule based, i.e. if there is lowlatency, make that default, else whatever else
[18:28] <zequence> ?
[18:29] <zequence> I'd rather just have:
[18:29] <zequence> Ubuntu Studio
[18:29] <zequence> Advanced Options
[18:30] <zequence> I think it would be a good idea to have a real meeting at least at every second UDS
[18:30] <zequence> so, right after release, in October/November, there will be one
[18:31] <zequence> I'm really set on creating a solid planning for next cycle
[18:31] <zequence> Just mentioning..
[18:32] <zequence> Need to think about this some more. 
[18:32] <zequence> I'm really starting to get a good grasp of how we can make LP, projects and blueprints useful
[18:33] <zequence> Still a couple of months away, so not really important right now
[18:44] <OvenWerks> zequence: yes the top/default can be rule based. I am just rtying it on a partition that actually has some generic kernels... that are newer than the lowlatency.
[18:45] <OvenWerks> back in a bit... will be doing some rebooting :)
[18:45] <zequence> Ah, seems I messed up the seeds :P
[18:45] <OvenWerks> I will take pictures.
[18:45] <OvenWerks> opps
[18:48] <zequence> I forgot to remove desktop-gnome from STRUCTURE
[18:48] <zequence> should work tomorrow
[19:10] <OvenWerks> !paste
[19:16] <OvenWerks> zequence: http://imagebin.org/268425
[19:18] <OvenWerks> zequence: that is just with adding 09_lowlatency to /etc/grub.d/
[19:18] <OvenWerks> Not touching any of the files grub installs
[19:20] <OvenWerks> If I can replace or disable 10_linux in the same directory without making trouble for upgrades to the grub package(s) I could do anything :)
[19:21] <OvenWerks> I would rather make patches to grub upstream (either in the ubuntu package if it is already a patched version, or farther upstream if not.
[19:25] <OvenWerks> It could be there is a ubuntu version of the /etc/grub.d/ files that is in it's own package... in which case we can make a ubuntustudio-grub.
[19:53] <zequence> OvenWerks: Nice work. Getting a bit late here. Will be in sporadically tomorrow. 
[19:53] <zequence> Maybe on saturday I could get some time to do something useful
[20:12] <OvenWerks> zequence: if that is ok, I will add it as is to -settings for 13.10
[20:15] <zequence> OvenWerks: So, how does it work now, exactly?
[20:20] <OvenWerks> zequence: it takes the code that 10_linux has, which makes the current partition part of the menu and just takes the first kernel with the word lowlatency in it.
[20:20] <OvenWerks> instead of looping, it ends after it has made one menu entry.
[20:20] <OvenWerks> Then 10_linux starts over and adss the normal stuff
[20:23] <zequence> OvenWerks: And if there's no lowlatency kernel?
[20:24] <OvenWerks> I may have to do an install to see, I think it just keeps going, but I will make sure
[20:26] <OvenWerks> I may have to add an if statement, because the loop sort of tookcare of that, but I will check.. if that works and it looks good I will add it. If it ends as a bug It is a one file removal.
[20:31] <OvenWerks> micahg: was wondering what happened to the two packages (-installer and -menu).
[20:32] <OvenWerks> I got the idea you were looking at them last weekend.
[20:58] <Noskcaj> OvenWerks, my branch is at https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntustudio/ubuntustudio-menu 
[20:58] <Noskcaj> Everything looks ready though, just add a -0ubuntu1
[21:09] <TheDrums> That's generally used if there's Ubuntu cruft over a Debian package.
[21:09] <OvenWerks> Noskcaj: why? all of the the ubuntustudio- packages are numbered
[21:12] <Noskcaj> OvenWerks, Isn't it a requirement, in case debian ever get's the package? if not, ignore me
[21:12] <OvenWerks> Noskcaj: thankyou for the stuff in control
[21:15] <OvenWerks> Noskcaj: another dumb question... least it seems it should be dumb.. is there a way to do direct merging or do I need to merge with a branch on my system and push?
[21:16] <Noskcaj> OvenWerks, i think you have to go onto your system. That's the only way i know
[21:17] <OvenWerks> ok.
[21:25] <OvenWerks> Noskcaj: it makes sense, that is the only way it can make a (two) secure transaction(s).
[21:44] <OvenWerks> Noskcaj: What would be my next step?
[21:45] <Noskcaj> OvenWerks, Wait for a MOTU or core dev to upload this. So be vocal in the -motu and -devel channels