[00:06] <eviler> hello,somebody here?
[00:19] <David-A> eviler: yes, somebody is here
[00:19] <David-A> !ask
[00:22] <eviler> sorry,I just saying hello
[00:24] <eviler> quit
[01:06] <vorsorken> how are notification area icons are specified?
[01:06] <GridCube> what?
[01:07] <vorsorken> how does the notification area program determine which icons to use for battery indicator, volume, network connection, etc.?
[01:10] <GridCube> i guess they get put like this file:///usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce/notifications/48
[01:11] <David-A> vorsorken: they use different sets of icons depending on the theme, but how they do it, i dont know. do you want icons from a particular theme without actually changing theme?
[01:12] <GridCube> if i have to bet i would say that the naming comes froms the freedesktop specs http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/icon-naming-spec/
[01:15] <vorsorken> I suppose my real question was how are themes made and/or modified -- I didn't know if there was a config file somewhere but GridCube pointed out where to look, thanks
[01:16] <GridCube> vorsorken, if i understand correctly the icon packs name the icons according to the freedesktop specs, then programmers call those icons expecting them to exist properly, if they are not there you get the default broken icon icon
[01:16] <GridCube> hope that makes sense
[01:19] <vorsorken> yep I got it, thanks again
[03:22] <Monkeytoe> is there any way to remove the icon text on the desktop .. so for instance the firefox icon will just show the globe and no text below it?
[05:49] <bullgard4> Monkeytoe: My Xubuntu 12.04.2 does show a tooltip when hovering over the Firefox icon. So I presume that your configuration is at fault.
[05:56] <koegs> Monkeytoe: you can edit the starter and rename it to " ", then you will see no name
[05:56] <Monkeytoe> ah
[05:57] <Monkeytoe> didnt know I could just put a space in it
[05:57] <Monkeytoe> nice
[05:59] <Monkeytoe> it still highlights a small area for the missing text unfortunately
[06:32] <l4irxxl> Hi
[06:33] <l4irxxl> if i have 2 partitions C: with windows and D: with some files
[06:33] <l4irxxl> and i choose install on this windows
[06:35] <l4irxxl> d: will be avaible after install on windows
[06:35] <l4irxxl> ?
[06:41] <koegs> what?
[06:41] <well_laid_lawn> windows doesn't have the drivers to see linux file systems
[06:44] <elfy> it's a 'Will I nuke one of my partitions if I install to another one' thing I think
[06:44] <well_laid_lawn> I just took a guess
[06:45] <elfy> l4irxxl: the answer is probably, but we would prefer to see the layout of the partitions from within the livecd not from a windows description
[06:45] <well_laid_lawn> if the install replaces windows :d will be accessable from the new linux
[06:46] <elfy> open the terminal from the bottom panel and run
[06:46] <elfy> sudo fdisk -l |pastebinit
[06:52] <elfy> oh - then give us the url :)
[08:14] <l4irxxl> ok i don't need it
[08:14] <l4irxxl> fdisl -l dont show ntfs partitions
[08:15] <l4irxxl> but hirens boot.is powerfull :)
[11:25] <zy_guy> i need help getting 24 bit color depth for my laptop, please
[14:49] <Adri2000> hi
[14:50] <Adri2000> anyone has successfully preseeded (completely) the xubuntu desktop install?
[14:52] <holstein> Adri2000: preseeded an iso?
[14:52] <pmjdebruijn> I'm not sure if the desktop installer is meant to be preseeded at all
[14:53] <Adri2000> holstein: yes, the xubuntu desktop iso, which means ubiquity indeed
[14:54] <pmjdebruijn> the text-mode debian installer has extensive preseeding possibilities though
[14:54] <pmjdebruijn> (available on the server install iso)
[14:54] <Adri2000> but is there an iso available which has both the xubuntu packages and debian-installer?
[14:54] <holstein> Adri2000: are you looking for an "alternate" installer?
[14:54] <pmjdebruijn> I don't think so. but you can probably make the debian-installer apt the xubuntu-desktop package, which should pull in most require dependancies
[14:55] <holstein> !mini | Adri2000
[14:55] <Adri2000> holstein: the one which doesn't exist anymore, yes :)
[14:55] <pmjdebruijn> anyhow, why would you want to preseed the desktop installer?
[14:55] <Adri2000> holstein: mini doesn't work for me. I need all the packages on the iso
[14:55] <Adri2000> pmjdebruijn: I want an iso to install xubuntu unattended
[14:56] <pmjdebruijn> that's not the goal... that's the means
[14:56] <pmjdebruijn> if you give some more background information, someone might be able to suggest an alternate approach
[14:57]  * pmjdebruijn has to run
[14:57] <holstein> Adri2000: you are always free to make your own installer.. which sounds like what you are looking for.. .i have also made installs, and just cloned them
[14:57] <Adri2000> well... I need to produce an iso (to have a CD or USB stick) which will automatically install xubuntu on a machine, with my own parameters regarding lang, timezone, partitioning, etc
[14:58] <Adri2000> different hardware, I can't just clone the hard disk
[14:58] <holstein> Adri2000: sure.. and that product you are wanting to create will be yours, and not xubuntu or ubuntu.. and you are welcome to create it
[14:58] <holstein> Adri2000: you actually *can* just clone it for different hardware
[14:59] <holstein> Adri2000: the linux kernel is modular, and works well in that situation, unless you have installed certain proprietary drivers
[14:59] <Adri2000> no... I don't want to create another distro
[14:59] <Adri2000> I just want the xubuntu iso, with questions already answered. I'm not going to publish this, it's for internal needs in an organization
[15:00] <holstein> Adri2000: i understand, but you are asking for another one.. and if xubuntu stock dosnt meet your needs, you'll need to create what does meet your needs
[15:01] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu_OEM_Installer_Overview might be what you are looking for.. or help you find what you seek
[15:04] <Adri2000> thanks, but what I'd rather need is a preseed file that works with xubuntu ubuiquity, and any advice on how to integrate it in the iso (bonus point :))
[15:04] <Adri2000> ubiquity*
[15:04] <holstein> Adri2000: the iso is what it is.. there are many ways to create custom iso's
[15:11] <xubuntu190> g
[15:11] <xubuntu190> f
[15:11] <xubuntu190> f
[15:11] <xubuntu190> f
[15:11] <Pici> xubuntu190: please stop
[15:11] <xubuntu190> Ok
[15:11] <xubuntu190> I need help
[15:11] <Pici> then just ask
[15:11] <xubuntu190> Ok
[15:12] <Riddell> I'm commiting https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/ubuntu-seeds/fix-kernels-precise-xubuntu/+merge/181586
[15:12] <xubuntu190> I'm on mac os x lion
[15:12] <xubuntu190> And
[15:12] <xubuntu190> I want
[15:12] <xubuntu190> To
[15:12] <Pici> !enter | xubuntu190
[15:12] <xubuntu190> Install Xubuntu
[15:12] <Riddell> knome: ^^
[15:12] <xubuntu190> Ok
[15:12] <knome> Riddell, cheers
[15:12] <knome> Riddell, worksforme :)
[15:12] <xubuntu190> I'm on mac os x lion and do you know any way I can install it?
[15:12] <knome> Riddell, also if you poke us at #xubuntu-devel in the future other people can respond easier too :)
[15:13] <Riddell> ah yes
[15:13] <knome> Riddell, and thanks again :)
[15:13] <xubuntu190> I downloaded the AMD 64 bit but my mac is a 64bit intel mac
[15:13] <xubuntu190> Can someone awnser:.
[15:13] <xubuntu190> ?
[15:14] <holstein> !dualboot
[15:14] <holstein> xubuntu190: i used refit to run linux only on my macbook..
[15:14] <Pici> xubuntu190: there is a special iso for mac, see http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.04/ubuntu-13.04-server-amd64+mac.iso
[15:14] <Pici> er
[15:14] <Pici> not server
[15:15] <Pici> http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.04/ubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64+mac.iso
[15:15] <Pici> oh, xubuntu /me wanders off after not being helpful
[15:15] <xubuntu190>  But
[15:15] <xubuntu190> I dont have amd
[15:15] <xubuntu190> I have intel
[15:16] <xubuntu190> I only found this working one but it's only 32 bit
[15:16] <xubuntu190> :3
[15:16] <Pici> holstein: is there an amd64+mac iso for xubuntu?
[15:16] <Pici> is it needed?
[15:16] <xubuntu190> Let me show give you the link
[15:17] <holstein> Pici: TBH, i cant remember if i used the "special" iso or not..
[15:17] <xubuntu190> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/alternate/xubuntu-12.04.2-alternate-i386.iso.torrenthttp://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/alternate/xubuntu-12.04.2-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[15:17] <holstein> xubuntu190: try the iso live on the harddware..
[15:17] <xubuntu190> it's i386
[15:17] <xubuntu190> also know as 32 bit
[15:17] <xubuntu190> I want 64 bit
[15:17] <holstein> xubuntu190: you likely have 64bit hardware
[15:18] <xubuntu190> I do!
[15:18] <holstein> xubuntu190: and the "amd" term is throwing you off
[15:18] <holstein> xubuntu190: download whatever iso you want, and try it live on the hardware
[15:18] <xubuntu190> Ok
[15:18] <xubuntu190> I downloaded the Amd an my mac said
[15:19] <xubuntu190> No mountable file system
[15:19] <holstein> xubuntu190: the one you linked above is the 32bit one
[15:19] <knome> xubuntu190, xubuntu doesn't officially support mac systems.
[15:19] <xubuntu190> Ugh
[15:19] <holstein> xubuntu190: that is *not* an error that states anything about 32 vs 64 bit
[15:19] <xubuntu190> People forget about macs
[15:19] <xubuntu190> It's like a whole different world
[15:19] <xubuntu190> I tried
[15:19] <xubuntu190> To get linux fedora
[15:19] <xubuntu190> But
[15:19] <holstein> xubuntu190: nothing is preventing apple from making sure ubuntu/xubuntu/linux runs well on them
[15:20] <holstein> xubuntu190: that being said, i would download the live CD for the 64 or 32 bit OS and try it on the hardware
[15:20] <holstein> xubuntu190: http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[15:20] <xubuntu190> I'm well aware
[15:21] <xubuntu190> I'm getting a macbook pro
[15:21] <holstein> xubuntu190: when you get the hardware, try the live iso i suggested
[15:26] <knome> xubuntu190, we're not forgetting about macs. we just don't have the developer resources to maintain a mac ISO. patches and contributions welcome.
[15:28] <holstein> plus, its intel hardware, and should "just work". assuming one understands the difference and researches the topic
[16:26] <xubuntu217> I have an old Toshiba.  Is Ubuntu or Xubuntu best for this?
[16:26] <pleia2> depends on what your idea of "old" is :) specs?
[16:28] <holstein> try them live and see..
[19:38] <drc> Installed Xubuntu 13.04. Did the initial update.  Rebooted. Plugged in my 8gig USB stick that I keep most of my config files on (ntsf format)...Would not acknowledge even it's existence. Plugged in the install USB stick (different one), recognized.  Plugged in a 500 gig USB drive, recognized.  Rebooted on the install USB, the USB stick in question was recognized.  Re-installed xubuntu, the USB stick in question was recognized upon insertion. Did the initial u
[19:38] <drc> pdate, rebooted, the USB stickin question was not recognized.  Moved to a Slackware machine, no problem recognizing the USSB stick in question, same on a windows machine.
[19:38] <drc> Now my question...what's going on...it's recognized before the update, but not after?
[19:42] <Unit193> drc: I'd guess way too much in the update to say what did it, but what's in `lsusb`, /var/log/syslog, and `dmesg`
[19:42] <Unit193> ?
[19:46] <drc> Unit193: going to reboot and try something...back in a bit to answer your questions.
[19:53] <comp_> I've never used chat before and wanted to try it out
[19:55] <elfy> well it's working :)
[19:55] <comp_> I've beenusing linux since about 1994, but this is my first time trying ubuntu.  As it turns out some of my apps seem to only run in ubuntu
[19:58] <xubuntu275> hello
[19:58] <xubuntu275> I have an issue
[19:58] <xubuntu275> im installing xubuntu
[19:58] <xubuntu275> I think Im on the last page
[19:58] <xubuntu275> but
[19:59] <xubuntu275> the saving installer thing is still going
[19:59] <xubuntu275> should i shut off my computer and retry>
[20:01] <bazhang> let it time out
[20:07] <xubuntu275> yeah now it went away
[20:08] <xubuntu275> and there is some wierd logo on my screen
[20:08] <xubuntu275> firefox is still open
[20:08] <xubuntu275> looks like a braile symbol
[20:09] <holstein> xubuntu275: if you have installed xubuntu from an official iso, and that is what you want to do, and the installer is finished, reboot
[21:53] <tq_> test
[21:53] <tq_> can anyone see my messages?
[21:53] <knome> test failed.
[21:53] <tq_> hi knome
[21:53] <knome> hello.
[21:54] <tq_> I was trying to reach a room called #r-finance
[21:56] <knome> tq_, ...yes?
[21:56] <tq_> never used IRC before
[21:57] <Unit193> /join #r-finance    and you'll be set.
[21:57] <tq_> and I cannot seem to enter that room
[21:57] <tq_> thanks I will give it a try
[21:57] <tq_> nothing
[21:57] <Unit193> Channel is blocking unidentified users, you need to register.
[21:58] <Unit193> !register
[21:59] <tq_> ok, maybe that is why it would not let me register
[22:00] <tq_> do you mean I need to /msg NickServ pw id@email.com   ?
[22:00] <tq_> it keeps telling me my nick is invalid
[22:01] <tq_> -NickServ- The nick you are trying to register is invalid, please choose another nick to -NickServ- complete your registration
[22:02] <tq_> I have tried three different 'passwords'
[22:03] <knome> tq_, that is out of the scope of this channel; please /join #freenode and ask there
[22:03] <tq_> thanks knome
[22:03] <tq_> bye
[22:03] <knome> tq_, no problem - good luck
[22:15] <AleXa> I put some bash scripts under Session and Startup, Application Autostart. Once the PC's started, how can I kill the running script?
[23:07] <w30> AleXa, you run these scripts and after they run for a while you don't need them to run anymore?
[23:07] <AleXa> nope
[23:08] <AleXa> w30, I wrote a script to run indefinitely, while true - do
[23:08] <AleXa> but what if I'd like to stop it?
[23:08] <Unit193> ps aux | grep scriptname   then  kill PID
[23:08] <AleXa> can't
[23:08] <AleXa> cause it's in auto start apps
[23:08] <w30> Can't you make the script sleep 10 minutes or such then quit?
[23:09] <AleXa> w30, I need it to run almost whole time
[23:09] <AleXa> but sometimes not
[23:09] <w30> or kill it's self
[23:09] <AleXa> maybe
[23:10] <AleXa> if I add few lines
[23:10] <AleXa> like
[23:10] <AleXa> check in another program
[23:10] <AleXa> if true - autokill
[23:10] <AleXa> won't do it now. Is there really no way to influence the scripts ran from auto start applications?
[23:11] <w30> or like check for existance of some file and quit if file exists or perhaps does not exist.
[23:15] <xubuntu740> how do you fix the sse2 flash problem in linux, my old computer has a amd athlon xp 3200+
[23:18] <xubuntu310> hi
[23:21] <nukke> I'm having problems with my battery. for some reason, it's not charging.
[23:21] <nukke> I'm on Xubuntu 13.04 64bit, on a Thinkpad T400.
[23:22] <AleXa> 111 nicks on channel, and it goes so slow to get the question answered? Please, type /cs #chan release
[23:22] <nukke> acpi -i gives me: Battery 0: Charging, 28%, charging at zero rate - will never fully charge. Battery 0: design capacity 4401 mAh, last full capacity 4323 mAh = 98%
[23:22] <Biafra> It may be a bum adapter, nukke
[23:23] <Biafra> does it work in Windows?
[23:23] <nukke> I haven't tried, but for some reason it charged it a little bit while it was turned off.
[23:24] <nukke> it's a new battery. I had been running the laptop with just the adapter for about 2 years.
[23:24] <Biafra> give it a try
[23:24] <Biafra> if the same thing happens, it's time to buy a new one.
[23:25] <Biafra> I've gone through 3 of them in 2 years myself, if it's any comfort
[23:25] <nukke> will do, thanks.
[23:25] <David-A> nukke: have you tried take the battery out and put it back again?
[23:25] <nukke> yeah, I had to buy a new adapter about a year ago, but it was because the plug "broke"
[23:27] <nukke> David-A: just tried it. as soon as I put it back in again, a notification showed up that said, "Battery is charging." however, acpi still tells me it's charging at "zero rate"
[23:31] <w30> there is a problem with one of the battery notification applets, I don't remember the details or even what DE it was on. Maybe someone else has more info? Does the battery go dead for sure?
[23:35] <w30> I think battery charging is a hardware thing. The software is just an indicator. I'm not sure even what triggers a shutdown or suspend for a low battery. That might be an actual voltage thing also. I would be interested if the battery actually is min the state the applet says it is.
[23:35] <w30> min/in
[23:35] <nukke> w30: hmm, this is strange.
[23:36] <nukke> I just unplugged the AC adapter but no notification appeared. on the dock, when I hover on the battery icon, it says, "Adaptor is online. Your battery is charging." and then  it says the time left until it's fully charge.
[23:37] <nukke> however, the time keeps going down. I'm guessing it's actuall displaying the battery life.
[23:39] <nukke> acpi tells me that it's still charging, despite it being unplugged. the charge percentage is going down, but it's saying it's charging it at "zero rate."
[23:40] <w30> something is rotten in Denmark.. eh?
[23:41] <nukke> probably surströmming
[23:42] <w30> or Hormel Spam with a broken seal