| sarnold | smoser: we -eventually- expect to have some environment variable scrubbing thing in apparmor, that might get you a lot of the way there | 00:03 |
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| sarnold | smoser: but sooner might be to patch upstart to do that :) | 00:03 |
| smoser | upstart is fine. | 00:09 |
| smoser | "fine" in some sense. | 00:09 |
| smoser | it cannot be polluted in this way | 00:09 |
| smoser | because upstart jobs dont' inherit the caller's environment. | 00:09 |
| smoser | sysvinit do | 00:09 |
| maxb | I guess /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d could be the place to do this? | 00:11 |
| sarnold | oh, right, you even said as much. sigh :) | 00:11 |
| smoser | sarnold, well, its both a feature and a bug for upstart honestly. | 00:15 |
| smoser | there is a use case where you would *want* to affect LD_PRELOAD, and to my knowledge you cannot (easily) | 00:15 |
| TheMuso | xnox: Heh just got bitten by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-dev-tools/+bug/1179782 as well. | 00:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1179782 in ubuntu-dev-tools (Ubuntu) "syncpackage crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in decode(): 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 241: invalid continuation byte" [Medium,Confirmed] | 00:32 |
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| TheMuso | @pilot out | 03:41 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 04:45 |
| pitti | infinity: hack status files> mostly as a trial how they work, but changing them doesn't work anyway | 04:45 |
| smartboyhw | Laney, is there a reason for ktp-call-ui to have the telepathy-farstream-0.4.patch? | 06:04 |
| smartboyhw | Ah, found it | 06:05 |
| smartboyhw | Is that still valid? | 06:06 |
| TheMuso | /c/c | 06:20 |
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| pitti | infinity: would you mind nudging a few packages into sauy which britney wrongly considers as RUNNING? they all passed: python-apt, umockdev, python-defaults, bzr-upload, friends, gnome-settings-daemon, libpng, libxml2, qtwebkit-source, ubuntu-release-upgrader | 06:59 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:00 |
| pitti | or Laney or ScottK ^ | 07:00 |
| pitti | hey dholbach | 07:00 |
| dholbach | hi pitti | 07:00 |
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| JackYu | dholbach, hi | 07:34 |
| dholbach | hi JackYu | 07:35 |
| dholbach | JackYu, did you have luck with your package? | 07:35 |
| JackYu | dholbach, do you have more comments to it? | 07:37 |
| dholbach | oh, I asked folks in #ubuntu-desktop yesterday - did you try there as well? | 07:37 |
| JackYu | dholbach, it seems no more comments from them:) | 07:37 |
| JackYu | dholbach, I asked some guys as well:) | 07:38 |
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| Laney | pitti: can do | 08:09 |
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| Whoopie | debfx: Hi, I just looked at the virtualbox package and recognized that the VNC module is not installed even though it's compiled. Any reason for this? | 08:29 |
| Laney | pitti: did all of the ones stuck in RUNNING | 08:30 |
| pitti | Laney: thanks! | 08:31 |
| debfx | Whoopie: no, it's an oversight. someone needs to test if it really works though. | 08:33 |
| Whoopie | debfx: if you put it in a new package, I'll test. ;-) | 08:34 |
| debfx | Whoopie: a new package? is it that dependency heavy? | 08:34 |
| Whoopie | debfx: otherwise, I have to compile myself. | 08:37 |
| Whoopie | debfx: I build it now. let's see. | 08:40 |
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| xnox | smoser: I find dpkg --force-unsafe-io sufficient, when I want to speed up apt, but not actually preload eatmydata. | 08:58 |
| Noskcaj | cjwatson, Can you merge hw-detect before we hit feature freeze? There aren't any major changes, so it should be fairly easy | 09:00 |
| xnox | Noskcaj: you are after translation updates? | 09:05 |
| Noskcaj | xnox, I wouldn't use them, but that and your improvements would be worth doing | 09:06 |
| xnox | Noskcaj: right. ok. cjwatson is away atm. but we should merge up all d-i packages to gain translations et. al. | 09:08 |
| Noskcaj | ok, thanks for the info | 09:08 |
| jamespage | jodh, I'm right in thinking I can't write custom actions for upstart configurations right? | 09:25 |
| jamespage | I have 'openvswitch-switch start' and 'openvswitch-switch stop' etc.. | 09:26 |
| jamespage | but I'm guessing openvswitch-switch force-reload-kmod is a non starter | 09:26 |
| jodh | jamespage: yes, you are correct (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Upstart/Ideas). But you could of course just create a specific job for that. | 09:28 |
| jamespage | jodh, yeah - I was thinking about doing that | 09:28 |
| jamespage | openvswitch-switch-force-reload | 09:28 |
| jamespage | openvswitch-force-reload-kmod | 09:29 |
| jodh | jamespage: why is a kernel module reload required? can't that happen in the pre-start for the job? | 09:29 |
| jamespage | jodh, it interrupts the dataflows in the kernel so you don't always want todo it when restarting the daemons | 09:29 |
| jamespage | i.e. it breaks the networking... | 09:29 |
| jodh | jamespage: fun :) | 09:29 |
| jamespage | jodh, yeah - but hey! | 09:35 |
| jamespage | makes life interesting | 09:35 |
| Laney | pitti: is openvswitch's autopkgtest genuinely stuck? | 09:36 |
| pitti | Laney: yes; it used to work against older kernels, but it hangs with kernel 3.11 | 09:37 |
| pitti | the server team knows about it | 09:37 |
| Laney | ah ok | 09:37 |
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| jodh | could someone bump some builds for me? https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-foundations/+recipe/upstart-daily-nonvirt and https://code.launchpad.net/~upstart-devel/+recipe/upstart-daily? (The estimates seem to be somewhat askew :) | 10:05 |
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| xnox | jodh: don't think it will help much, amd64 is busy building firefox, thunderbird, yade which all take a while. And bumping your priority will not kick those builds off. | 10:21 |
| xnox | jodh: looking at https://launchpad.net/builders the queue is very small (PPA build status on the right) | 10:22 |
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| xnox | jodh: looks like nonvirt build hang all of builders, possible cause is stray child process left over. | 10:49 |
| xnox | jodh: infinity was reporting that before. | 10:49 |
| jodh | xnox: ok, I'll see if I can recreate locally. | 10:53 |
| xnox | jodh: i'm grepping my irc logs.... it was one of the tests that did a fork. | 10:53 |
| xnox | jodh: found it, test_job and forked test_job are left after the build is finished. | 10:56 |
| xnox | jodh: https://pastebin.canonical.com/92355/ | 10:56 |
| pete-woods | didrocks: hi! I have another project I'd like to to start landing in distro (https://launchpad.net/unity-voice) - it's not in jenkins yet (waiting for fginther's tz), but thought there may be some benefit letting you know, seen as feature freeze is next week! | 11:00 |
| jodh | xnox: I'm now also seeing test_initctl's left around. I think it's your reload test - it's only killing the paused child in the error code path. | 11:02 |
| jodh | xnox: could you take a look? | 11:02 |
| xnox | jodh: correct. | 11:02 |
| xnox | jodh: i'll take test_initctl. | 11:03 |
| jodh | ack. I'll dig into the other one... | 11:03 |
| xnox | jodh: there is something different on the current build... https://pastebin.canonical.com/96297/ | 11:07 |
| jodh | xnox: ? you mean the addition of the test_dbus-daemon? I'm also seeing that locally. | 11:08 |
| xnox | ok, cool. | 11:09 |
| xnox | yeah, that. | 11:10 |
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| xnox | jodh: sent merge proposal to clean up initctl/reload_signal tests. | 11:25 |
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| didrocks | pete-woods: hey! is it a service/a library? who will consume it? | 11:39 |
| didrocks | pete-woods: also, are there integration tests? Seeing a lot of new projects, not a lot of integration tests :) | 11:40 |
| pete-woods | didrocks: it's a service, and it's basically the voice code from HUD, ripped out | 11:48 |
| pete-woods | and to be fair, the stuff I've made is either test libraries (libqt*test) or hasn't been integrated with the shell yet :) | 11:50 |
| ScottK | pitti: If you can give me the hint to copy/paste, I'll be glad to do it, but I'm a bit tied up with $STUFF to work out the details. | 11:50 |
| pete-woods | the consumer will be HUD | 11:50 |
| pitti | ScottK: no worries, Laney already did it; thank! | 11:51 |
| pitti | s | 11:51 |
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| ScottK | OK. Great. | 11:51 |
| didrocks | pete-woods: ok, part of the HUD delivery then? | 11:51 |
| didrocks | pete-woods: managed by the same team anyway I guess | 11:52 |
| pete-woods | didrocks: well it's managed by me, really, basically HUD is leaky, and the voice code is memory heavy, so we can't let HUD leak instances of it | 11:52 |
| didrocks | pete-woods: ok, sounds good :) | 11:53 |
| didrocks | pete-woods: I assigned it to robru FYI | 11:53 |
| pete-woods | didrocks: I ported it to C++ and have 95% test coverage with it | 11:53 |
| pete-woods | the difficulty with integration tests is | 11:53 |
| pete-woods | it takes microphone input | 11:53 |
| pete-woods | didrocks: the unit tests add the pulse "pipe" device for a fake microphone | 11:53 |
| pete-woods | can autopilot do a similar sort of thing? | 11:54 |
| didrocks | pete-woods: so, it's some kind of integration tests, right? | 11:54 |
| didrocks | if you are using pulse to input some infos | 11:54 |
| pete-woods | didrocks: I would call the tests I've written integration tests | 11:54 |
| pete-woods | they treat the service as a whole binary | 11:54 |
| pete-woods | rather that testing components | 11:54 |
| didrocks | pete-woods: from what I know, autopilot is just a glorified unittest class with stuff to pilot touch and mouse move | 11:54 |
| didrocks | pete-woods: so, you can call your "fake input microphone" | 11:55 |
| didrocks | and read the result from the HUD | 11:55 |
| didrocks | (just to ensure that the HUD understand your input/output) | 11:55 |
| pete-woods | that makes sense | 11:55 |
| pete-woods | where do autopilot test go, by the way? | 11:55 |
| didrocks | most of the time, we keep them in the same source | 11:56 |
| didrocks | look at unity8 for instance, a C++/QML example with the autopilot tests | 11:56 |
| pete-woods | so these tests should probably go in the HUD source? | 11:56 |
| didrocks | pete-woods: either HUD or this one, what you think will make more sense IHMO | 11:56 |
| pete-woods | okay, will look at that | 11:57 |
| didrocks | pete-woods: it's just about ensuring the 2 can communicate together I guess | 11:57 |
| didrocks | thanks! | 11:57 |
| pete-woods | I can't promise anything here, didrocks, I've tried getting these tests running on the build farm before | 11:57 |
| didrocks | pete-woods: I'll be on holidays starting tonight for 2 weeks, please check with robru then (I've assigned to him in the spreadsheet) | 11:57 |
| pete-woods | didrocks: pulse modules don't seem to want to load on the build server | 11:57 |
| pete-woods | you'll note a rather embarassing (ENABLE_TESTS=OFF) in the rules | 11:58 |
| didrocks | pete-woods: yeah, for autopilot, that will be a real session | 11:58 |
| pete-woods | cool | 11:58 |
| pete-woods | that sounds excellent | 11:58 |
| didrocks | so you shouldn't get the same issue than in the builder chroot | 11:58 |
| pete-woods | didrocks: thanks for all the infos! :) | 11:58 |
| didrocks | yw ;) | 11:59 |
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| Whoopie | debfx: Here is the debdiff for virtualbox to add the VNC plugin module: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6017538/ | 12:34 |
| Whoopie | debfx: to enable VNC, I followed this guide: http://www.neant.ro/2013/04/enable-vnc-on-virtualbox-ose-4-2/ | 12:34 |
| Whoopie | debfx: the VBOX_VERSION_STRING_RAW change was needed as the version must be 4.2.16 and not 4.2.16_Ubuntu, otherwise the module fails to be loaded (seen with "VBoxManage list extpacks"). | 12:35 |
| sforshee | pitti: thanks for taking care of my upower patches! Are you planning to update the saucy package with your changes? | 12:36 |
| pitti | sforshee: at some point, yes; once hughsie is back online, I want to get him review my third patch, then upload a new snapshot to Debian, and sync it over | 12:37 |
| pitti | sforshee: but I guess it's not that urgent as the saucy package now has all those | 12:37 |
| sforshee | pitti: not urgent. I want to test the patches you comitted, but if you were going to upload them soon I figured I'd just wait. | 12:39 |
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| smoser | xnox, there is about an order of magnitude difference between eatmydata and force unsafe io | 12:46 |
| smoser | on slow disk. | 12:46 |
| xnox | smoser: true. better than nothing, though. | 12:47 |
| diwic | is there a way to specify something *optional* in an debian/package.install file? I have a file that's only being built under one arch, | 12:48 |
| diwic | and for that arch it should be included, and just left out on the others. | 12:48 |
| ogra_ | wasnt there an option to specify an arch specific install file ? | 12:48 |
| diwic | now the other arches FTBFS because they can't find the file which is not built | 12:48 |
| diwic | ogra_, I don't know, do you know how? | 12:49 |
| ogra_ | not really ... the dh_install manpage doesnt say much | 12:49 |
| ogra_ | i think it was something like .install.$arch but not sure i remember right | 12:50 |
| Ampelbein | diwic: Yes, it's described in man 7 debhelper, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6017598/ | 12:52 |
| diwic | Ampelbein, ah, thanks. ogra's right then | 12:54 |
| Laney | @pilot in | 13:04 |
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| Wizard | Yo. | 13:22 |
| hyperair | infinity: ping. messagingmenu-sharp? :) | 13:23 |
| zequence | Anyone who could assist in uploading a couple of Ubuntu Studio packages? They've been reviewed and are ready to go. | 13:28 |
| Wizard | Is there any Ubuntu related channel about developing software for Ubuntu? | 13:29 |
| Wizard | Where people will be familiar with Launchpad and so? | 13:30 |
| smartboyhw | Wizard: here | 13:30 |
| zequence | Wizard: There's also #ubuntu-app-devel, if you're thinking about developing apps for Ubuntu | 13:31 |
| Wizard | So, I'm going to write small DLNA streamer (desktop) and I intend to use Qt. | 13:31 |
| Wizard | zequence: Yes, that's what I'm thinking. | 13:31 |
| Wizard | Actually, app developemnt is ongoing. | 13:31 |
| Wizard | thanks, zequence. | 13:33 |
| xnox | zequence: what do you need uploading? =) | 13:56 |
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| zequence | xnox: OvenWerks could better answer that :) | 13:57 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: ^ | 13:57 |
| zequence | xnox: Alright, so the two branches are lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio/ubuntustudio-menu, and lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio/ubuntustudio-installer (which is a first time upload) | 14:02 |
| zequence | From what I understand, they've both been thoroughly reviewed, so they should check out | 14:03 |
| xnox | zequence: it would be nice for Len to add his email to launchpad account, to get proper committer links to launchpad profile. | 14:04 |
| OvenWerks | xnox: I thought it was there | 14:04 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks: I think you never ran bzr launchpad-login | 14:05 |
| xnox | OvenWerks: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio/ubuntustudio-installer has "Len Ovens len@ovenwerks.net" is that email added as one of the emails in your profile? | 14:05 |
| OvenWerks | It is the only one. | 14:05 |
| OvenWerks | It has a lock beside it though. | 14:06 |
| OvenWerks | does that mean it doesn't work? | 14:06 |
| xnox | OvenWerks: then I don't know =) maybe try #launchpad. Cause e.g. look how each person is "linkifyied" down here: https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/ubuntu-seeds/fix-kernels-precise-kubuntu and allows one to click on a person. | 14:07 |
| OvenWerks | Ya, I have wondered what happended, it used to work | 14:08 |
| xnox | OvenWerks: zequence: is that -installer package going to stay in perl / zenity / apt-get? I would have thought packagekit UI should be available to install packages, and/or select them. | 14:08 |
| xnox | OvenWerks: zequence: also as a side note, zenity usually runs at 100% CPU for no reason, spinning/waiting for user input. | 14:08 |
| OvenWerks | xnox: I am looking for something that is already in all the DEs/flavours | 14:09 |
| xnox | OvenWerks: zequence: if you are happy with that, then why not =) | 14:09 |
| OvenWerks | We need to have it in before FF it will continue in active development after though... | 14:09 |
| xnox | OvenWerks: packagekit API/UI _should_ be available. On ubuntu it would spin up software-center UI, on kubuntu their package store, etc.... | 14:09 |
| xnox | OvenWerks: ok. that's fine. | 14:10 |
| xnox | OvenWerks: zequence: do you have matching seed update as well to go along with those two? | 14:10 |
| OvenWerks | That is next :) | 14:10 |
| OvenWerks | I didn't want to break -setting if these two didn't make it. | 14:11 |
| xnox | ok. | 14:11 |
| OvenWerks | right now settings replaces -menu | 14:11 |
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| xnox | zequence: OvenWerks: uploaded, -installer is naturally in the NEW queue. | 15:05 |
| OvenWerks | xnox: Thankyou very much | 15:06 |
| OvenWerks | That is my first ever sw package from start to finish | 15:06 |
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| hallyn_ | what do-release-upgrade needs is one more place where it stops to ask me if i want to proceed | 15:36 |
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| * ogra_ hands hallyn_ "echo -n "Proceed ? (y/n)" && read foo && [ $foo = y ] && sudo do-release-upgrade" | 15:40 | |
| xnox | Who do I talk to about ps-jenkins bot / jenkins integration? | 15:50 |
| slangasek | smoser, utlemming: we seem to be stalled on the 12.04.3 point release because we have a MAAS juju test case that we can't find anyone to complete; would either of you be able to help us out? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/301/builds/51859/testcases/1289/results | 15:52 |
| hallyn_ | ogra_: thanks - maybe ifi weren't a sarcastic bastard you'd have handed me an expect script :) | 16:14 |
| ogra_ | :) | 16:14 |
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| gQuigs | can I get this rescheduled for Thursday: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21877/client-s-32v64-bit/ | 16:23 |
| gQuigs | or late on Tuesday | 16:24 |
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| Laney | @pilot out | 16:54 |
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| slangasek | YokoZar: so... no wine rebuilds yet for the gphoto ABI change? :) | 16:57 |
| slangasek | pitti: this libgphoto2-2 transitional package concerns me. how can this possibly be valid, when neither the transitional package nor the package it depends on provides libgphoto2.so.2? | 17:13 |
| Luna_12043 | hello | 17:27 |
| Luna_12043 | when will Ubuntu 12.04.3 be released? | 17:27 |
| Luna_12043 | according to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-12.04.3 it should have been released yesterday? | 17:27 |
| stgraber | Luna_12043: a bit later today | 17:29 |
| xnox | Luna_12043: when announcement is out on ubuntu-announce that's when it's released. It has been delayed, but the release team is working on getting it out. | 17:29 |
| Luna_12043 | xnox & stgraber : thank you very much for your replies | 17:31 |
| Luna_12043 | another question: | 17:35 |
| Luna_12043 | over there: | 17:35 |
| Luna_12043 | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-August/037572.html | 17:35 |
| Luna_12043 | someone mentioned: "And, not comprehensive, but some known limitations / features being worked on.... - no proprietary driver support (dependent on 3rd parties)" | 17:35 |
| Luna_12043 | can anyone here describe how that work is going? | 17:36 |
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| Luna_12043 | or with other words: what do the 3rd parties (i.e. NVIDIA, AMD etc.) say? | 17:37 |
| Luna_12043 | bye | 17:59 |
| bdmurray | @pilot in | 20:27 |
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