[00:11] <jbicha_> darkxst: you might need to ask cjwatson (but he's out through the weekend)
[00:11] <jbicha_> roasted: are you using GNOME Classic?
[00:52] <roasted> no
[00:52] <roasted> jbicha_: gnome3 ppa, 3.8
[00:52] <roasted> 3.8.3 in particular
[09:52] <darkxst> jbicha_, so was thinking we could add a gnome3-next ppa?
[09:52] <darkxst> so gnome3 would be missing 3.8 bits
[09:53] <darkxst> gnome3-next stable 3.10 bits
[09:59] <darkxst> jbicha_, gjs update is still fine for saucy -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6017089/
[14:42] <petersaints> is there plans to release a GNOME 3.10 PPA for Saucy? Even if not immediately after the release of GNOME 3.10 at least for the Ubuntu 13.10 release?
[15:19] <ricotz> petersaints, there is, GNOME 3.10 saucy packages are staged in ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-staging for testing
[16:09] <petersaints> ricotz: Yeah I just noticed it. But they seem incomplete (yet). But well... I hope that later on a full non-Staging PPA becomes available :P
[16:29] <petersaints> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1076232 is there any idea if this bug is ever gonna be fixed? I mean... at least through a PPA it would be nice to have a pre-built Nautilus with tracker support.
[19:05] <petersaints> on Saucy there are currently missing some items on system settings, namely search, privacy and notification options. AFAIK they are missing from Raring with the PPA as well, but show up when using the Staging PPA. Is this intended? I mean it seems that because Ubuntu GNOME uses GNOME's base packages that are also used on the main Ubuntu, it leads to some stuff being unavailable on Ubuntu GNOME. This is sad... a true GNOME
[19:05] <petersaints> experience should be provided on this derivative. Any thoughts about this from anyone else?
[19:15] <bjsnider> it's typically because of instability due to conflicts with ubuntu packages
[19:15] <Ponch0> Hey guys how can I make a shortcut to the bar on left from an icon in a folder?
[19:24] <petersaints> bjsnider: I know... but it sucks. For example, Kubuntu has no such problems in offering a complete KDE experience because Ubuntu does not use GNOME. It's really a shame :(
[19:33] <bjsnider> well, the fact that it sucks doesn't make the problem disappear
[20:10] <petersaints> yeah bjsnider. Ideally Ubuntu GNOME should have an extra repo with packages that would override the ones used by "vanilla" Ubuntu. But I know that's not possible according to Canonical rules for official derivatives.
[20:10] <bjsnider> it's better to just have them peacefully coexist
[20:39] <petersaints> true.dat
[21:12] <darkxst> petersaints, that is because gnome-control-center needs to be updated to 3.8
[21:12] <darkxst> unfortunately it doesnt look like we will be able to get that in this cycle though
[21:13] <petersaints> darkxst: you are right
[21:13] <petersaints> I thought it was at 3.8 with some options disabled
[21:13] <petersaints> but I checked http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gnome-control-center and it's at 3.6.3 on Saucy
[21:13] <petersaints> what a shame
[21:13] <darkxst> so we will ship g-c-c 3.8 on the ppa
[21:14] <darkxst> hopefully ubuntu will fork g-c-c next cycle
[21:14] <petersaints> ok darkxst. It's better than nothing ;)
[21:15] <Zoiaguyver> oh no please no more forks.. lets get some spoons or knives.
[21:15] <petersaints> yeah they are changing more and more stuff to integrate GNOME with Unity so it makes sense.
[21:15] <petersaints> Even though with the current 3.8 I believe that GNOME is much more mature and usable than Unity
[21:16] <petersaints> if it wasn't for their convergence ideas they'd be better with Ubuntu themed GNOME Shell than with Unity.
[21:17] <petersaints> darkxst: another thing that you could include in the PPA could be a version of Nautilus with Tracker support: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1076232
[21:18] <Zoiaguyver> Well that would be a problem, GNOME breaks the themeing every update as it is
[21:18] <petersaints> so that the activies overlay is able to show file results
[21:21] <darkxst> petersaints, well we could, but its generally a pain keeping things like that up to date (i.e. every new upload in the archive overrides ppa package)
[21:28] <bjsnider> convergence ideas?
[21:30] <Zoiaguyver> Think he was on about the Unity on everything (or well atleast when it hits ver 8.0)
[21:30] <bjsnider> they want it on phones
[21:30] <bjsnider> that's the bottom line
[21:30] <Zoiaguyver> Its also on Desktops and Tablets
[21:31] <Zoiaguyver> Its basically aimed to be a one UI fits all thing (or well one UI can adjust to all)
[21:31] <bjsnider> i think it's designed for phones and mobile handheld devices in general
[21:33] <Zoiaguyver> Well afaik it's designed to adjust to whatever its on. It was in a 13.10 desktop ppa I think for testing
[21:34] <darkxst> ricotz, hi
[21:34] <petersaints> exactly... but Unity 8 will still take some time to be the default
[21:34] <petersaints> probably only on 14.10
[21:34] <darkxst> ricotz, looks like mutter needs the new cogl
[21:35] <petersaints> 14.04 is LTS so I don't think they will put it
[21:35] <darkxst> I think unity 8 is planned for 14.10
[21:35] <Zoiaguyver> I can't see it going in 14.04 either, to have Mir and Unity 8 in there I think would be a little to much
[21:38] <darkxst> 14.04 will be Unity7 and XMir still
[21:38] <Zoiaguyver> Yeah
[21:39] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, yes, but not necessarily while reverting two commits, g-s is a more complicated and requires some (6) cherry-picked bug fixes for clutter
[21:39] <ricotz> darkxst, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/148161709/clutter-1.0_1.14.5%2Bgit20130627.74f9d8a5-0ubuntu1~13.10~ricotz0_1.14.5%2Bgit20130627.74f9d8a5-0ubuntu1~13.10~ricotz1.diff.gz
[21:40] <ricotz> mutter:
[21:40] <ricotz> 		git revert --no-edit fdfde62a331323bc7550f74ca2dcf44730c82ca4
[21:40] <ricotz> 		git revert --no-edit 2b940f6ababcfa7c02616574bc8a5203e582e86d
[21:40] <ricotz> 		git revert --no-edit f42682711b187489bfb8386ed0979db1edeed481
[21:40] <Zoiaguyver> Going to be harder for people with the derivatives after that change I think (Mir/Unity8), at least for a while.
[21:43] <darkxst> ricotz, ok
[21:56] <darkxst> ricotz, what do you think about adding another ppa gnome3-next for stable 3.10 bits, so can keep gnome3 for 3.8 bits that are/will be missing in saucy
[22:00] <ricotz> darkxst, hmm, doesnt sound that reasonable, and could get confusing for ppa users with a 3rd one, what is the rationale for that?
[22:03] <darkxst> ricotz, mainly that its incredibly unlikely that we will get g-c-c 3.8 into saucy
[22:03] <ricotz> darkxst, putting the 3.8 saucy packages in gnome3 seems fine until 3.10 is stable enough, is g-c-c 3.9.x already using the mutter dbus interface?
[22:05] <darkxst> ricotz, I believe so
[22:06] <ricotz> darkxst, saucy not getting those 3.8 bit doesnt sound like a reason to do so
[22:06] <ricotz> i guess you want to keep some kind of "backups" for later proposals?
[22:09] <darkxst> ricotz, well that, and it would be good to have more widespread testing for when it does finally land
[22:11] <ricotz> darkxst, hmm, i see
[22:20] <ricotz> darkxst, https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3-next
[22:22] <ricotz> darkxst, g2g, bxe
[22:22] <ricotz> bye