[00:17] <smartboyhw> 12.04.3 still NOT released?
[00:17] <smartboyhw> slangasek, ^
[00:19] <phillw> smartboyhw: has there been an announcement? :P
[00:19] <smartboyhw> phillw, what's the thing holding up 12.04.3? Wubi?
[00:19]  * smartboyhw has a serious hatred with Wubi
[00:20] <phillw> Riddell: you okay with i386 alternate for kubuntu? I'm currently downloading it for testing.
[00:21] <smartboyhw> phillw, I thought you should do desktop:P
[00:22] <phillw> ahh.. the lubuntu bot has been active :D
[00:22] <phillw> drat, he's darn good!
[00:26] <phillw> Riddell: can you mark xubuntu alternate i386 ready for release?
[01:13] <ScottK> phillw: I can do it, but you aren't a Xubuntu person are you?
[01:15] <skellat> ScottK: No, phillw is not.
[01:15] <ScottK> So it should be a Xubuntu product person saying it's ready.
[01:16] <skellat> ScottK: I've been pinging those who have the power to say so.  The ball is in their court, so to say.
[01:18] <phillw> ScottK: I'm a lubuntu release manager, but when all tests have been completed and passed, the big bosses can mark as ready. Unit193 is a xubuntu person, but not a release manager.
[01:20] <TheDrums> bluesabre: Didn't we elect you?
[01:21] <bluesabre> TheDrums: yes, I think I have release powers now
[01:23] <skellat> If Xubuntu is the only thing blocking, would we actually get a 12.04.3 release out or would it wait for a few hours anyhow?
[01:23] <phillw> bluesabre: ScottK TheDrums it is obviously not really for me to tell xubuntu that xubuntu is ready, in my defence I have been liasing getting the repsin done to correct a bug that was found, and another that smartboyhw found in kubuntu to get the very late respins done :)
[01:23] <phillw> skellat: I believe the straggler is now wubi.
[01:24]  * TheDrums didn't ping phillw.
[01:25]  * skellat feels invisible again
[01:25] <skellat> :-)
[01:25] <bluesabre> phillw: I've not heard anything against releasing from the xubuntu side, and it looks like all of our tests are passing
[01:26]  * phillw it has been an interesting excercise as 14.04 is lubuntus 1st LTS so I wanted a practice run with a friendly team :)
[01:26] <bluesabre> I'll mark our remaining iso as ready
[01:28] <phillw> bluesabre: If in the same situation with lubuntu, I'd be happy to mark as ready. Only one thing for release notes is that of the cryptoswap reporting an error on 1st boot when using encrypted /home area.
[01:29] <bluesabre> ah, is that happening on all flavors or just lubuntu?
[01:30] <phillw> bluesabre: I've seen it mentioned on lubuntu, so was not suprised to see it in xubuntu. The OP can do nothing about it, the system boots up okay and then you don't see the error message again.
[01:33] <bluesabre> best/worst kind of error :)
[01:33] <phillw> bluesabre: and royal pain to reproduce!
[01:34] <stgraber> slangasek: disappearing for today, so if you feel like releasing today, you'll have to take care of the announcement e-mail yourself, otherwise I'll be around tomorrow to take care of that
[01:34] <infinity> stgraber: Send someone the announce email, and we'll send it out on your behalf. ;)
[01:35] <infinity> stgraber: Or send it now and I won't moderate it. :P
[01:35] <infinity> (Hopefully no one else will either)
[01:36]  * phillw I thought that xnox had done the wubi tests, or is that still being a PITA?
[01:37] <stgraber> infinity: it's at: http://pad.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-12-04-3-announce (most flavour links 401/403/404 though so some coordination would be needed there)
[01:38] <infinity> stgraber: Given slangasek's relative silence, I'm guessing the release isn't in the next hour anyway.
[07:36] <ara> good morning all!
[07:36] <ara> what's the plan with the release of 12.04.3?
[07:39] <smartboyhw> Well, at least most likely we have to wait until slangasek awakes.
[07:47] <NikTh> Hello,
[07:47] <NikTh> any news about 12.04.3 ? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-12.04.3
[07:47] <ara> seb128, bonjour!
[07:47] <ara> seb128, do you have any news about 12.04.3?
[07:47] <seb128> ara, ola! how are you ?
[07:47] <smartboyhw> NikTh, aren't released
[07:47] <seb128> ara, no, I don't, but I'm not in the release team
[07:47] <smartboyhw> *Not yet
[07:48] <smartboyhw> Um, slangasek is asleep, that's mostly why
[07:48] <NikTh> smartboyhw: Do you know when ?
[07:48] <smartboyhw> The alternates got a late respin
[07:48] <smartboyhw> And Wubi got fixed
[07:48] <smartboyhw> NikTh, ask slangasek himself
[07:48] <ara> seb128, OK, thanks!
[07:49] <NikTh> Heah.. Ok smartboyhw  , thanks.
[08:50] <NikTh> This is a bit confusing.. People wait by yesterday the release of 12.04.3 and reviews are online : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXPo1yA4S2w&feature=em-uploademail
[08:51] <smartboyhw> Oh, not again
[09:00] <NikTh> The message here [1] indicates that "Ubuntu 12.04.3 released" and giving a link that points to the daily image (which is obviously wrong), why? Because people know the schedule (2013/08/22)
[09:00] <NikTh> [1] - http://forum.ubuntu-gr.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=20877&start=550#p294744
[09:00] <smartboyhw> Yeah, we are late
[09:01] <NikTh> People search for a link to download the 12.04.3 , and because it's not exist, the only link they get ( I assume from Google search) is the daily image iso.
[09:20] <brendand> NikTh, released images are only the ones on releases.ubuntu.com
[09:20] <brendand> it's a case of people trying too hard
[09:20] <brendand> maybe cdimage should be renamed to not-released :)
[09:21] <NikTh> brendand: I know that, but others don't (I guess)
[09:24] <NikTh> brendand: I don't know, maybe it's a case of people that focused on other projects and finally there are no people for other projects left.
[09:25] <smartboyhw> brendand, but there are some Ubuntu images there which are officially released...
[09:28] <brendand> smartboyhw, on cdimage?
[09:28] <brendand> smartboyhw, is the same image also on releases?
[09:29] <brendand> smartboyhw, i.e. is there any officially released image that is on cdimage but not releases?
[09:29] <smartboyhw> brendand, yes
[09:29] <brendand> smartboyhw, which?
[09:30] <smartboyhw> brendand, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/13.04/release/
[09:30] <smartboyhw> And all the flavours
[09:31] <brendand> smartboyhw, it depends on your definition of 'officially released' i guess
[09:31] <smartboyhw> brendand, that page is "officially released"
[09:32] <brendand> anyway i agree it's not clear for some people
[09:38] <NikTh> cdimage.ubuntu.com has official released images also. The thing here is the /daily-iso/ . These are not stable images (at least are not considered as such).
[10:02] <xnox> smartboyhw: brendand: NikTh: 12.04.3 has not been released yet, nor published anywhere. The files actually need to have "12.04.3" in the file-name.
[10:02] <smartboyhw> xnox, we know
[10:02] <smartboyhw> But, the people are impatient
[10:03] <brendand> xnox, well i know, but some people seem to be very much willing to ignore the facts in front of them to get what they want
[10:03] <NikTh> We know xnox . We know.
[10:04] <NikTh> xnox:  Did you see the links I gave above ?
[10:05] <Laney> Jumping the gun happens every release; it's best to not worry about it
[10:06] <smartboyhw> Well, I remember at the 12.10 release date everybody mentioning the download links of 12.10 at #ubuntu-release-party are kick-banned:P
[10:06]  * smartboyhw didn't
[10:16] <NikTh> smartboyhw: brendand : Laney : Expect for the "Jumping the guns" thing this is quite true, lot of people that are interesting about the next point release of the current stable LTS, are remember the schedule release date. Which seems that one more time not been met.
[11:09] <jamespage> Daviey, ^^ re-introduction of py-juju for saucy
[11:13] <Daviey> jamespage: oh?
[11:14] <Daviey> jamespage: why are we bringing it back?
[11:14] <jamespage> Daviey, no upgrade path yet
[11:14] <jamespage> Daviey, its officially deprecated for 13.10 - but removing it was a step to far
[11:17] <jamespage> Daviey, ta
[11:21] <Daviey> jamespage: well, reviewing the delta from when it was last in the archive was pretty staright forward :)
[11:22] <jamespage> Daviey, indded
[13:37]  * smartboyhw wonders when slangasek will be awake
[13:38] <skellat> smartboyhw: It is still only 6:30 AM on the west coast of the United States.  Give slangasek time.
[13:40] <smartboyhw> skellat: OK:)
[13:40]  * smartboyhw doesn't have time concepts for USA.
[13:59] <slangasek> yeah, give me until at least 7
[14:00] <smartboyhw> Good morning slangasek:)
[14:01] <xnox> slangasek: if I remember correctly, in the YouTube interview about ubuntu releases "one stays up, releases, and crashes" or something like that =)))))
[14:01] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:02] <slangasek> xnox: that was a while ago, now I have other responsibilities to balance ;)
[14:02] <xnox> slangasek: wiser & older, just like in the avicii song. I like it =))))
[14:02] <slangasek> also, am jetlagged
[14:02] <xnox> slangasek: still or again? =)
[14:03] <slangasek> still
[14:08] <slangasek> ara: so I think we'll have the release ready to go out in about 3 hours
[14:09] <ara> slangasek, thanks!
[14:09] <slangasek> xnox: are you able to do the actual wubi tests for the tarballs? looks like we don't have those yet, and I'm not sure if plars is set up to test those
[14:10] <xnox> slangasek: ack, let me run those.
[14:10] <plars> slangasek: I should be able to, I have a windows partition on a test machine
[14:10] <xnox> plars: i386 or amd64?
[14:10] <plars> psivaa: ^ I think you have one too right?
[14:10] <xnox> plars: i can do amd64-only.
[14:10] <plars> xnox: amd64
[14:11] <slangasek> plars: there seems to be an outstanding test case for MAAS (Juju) - do you know if this is applicable to 12.04?
[14:11] <slangasek> seems like it should be
[14:12] <slangasek> hum, why do we still have a "JeOS on ESX" test case
[14:12] <psivaa> plars: i should be able to test both i386 and amd64
[14:13] <xnox> slangasek: wubi is not signed still.
[14:13] <plars> psivaa is a testing machine
[14:13] <plars> !
[14:13] <plars> :)
[14:13] <psivaa> :)
[14:13] <xnox> psivaa: plars: maybe use http://people.canonical.com/~xnox/wubi/precise/wubi-r279-precise.exe ? updated to say "12.04.3" et.al. but it's not signed yet.
[14:13] <slangasek> xnox: ah.  It can still be tested, right?
[14:13] <xnox> slangasek: correct. Hence I paste the URL above =)
[14:14] <xnox> slangasek: it will have a popup "This binary is downloaded from the internet and is not trusted by CIA"
[14:15]  * slangasek nods
[14:15] <slangasek> (..."but it is trusted by GCHQ")
[14:16] <xnox> slangasek: it's tusted by web-of-trust to the .asc file next to it, signed by my keay, with mean-square-distance < 5 to most people =)
[14:16] <xnox> slangasek: so that would make GCHQ trust it, I think.
[14:17]  * davmor2 waits for the knock on slangasek 's door, is that a black helicopter in the sky, run! ;)
[14:18] <slangasek> I only trust binaries signed by Phil Zimmerman
[14:19] <xnox> slangasek: i choked laughing =)
[14:44] <rtg> slangasek, your goldfish kernel awaits flushing from the NEW queue
[14:46] <slangasek> rtg: yep - thanks for the quick turnaround :)  once I have 12.04.3 out of the way I'll process it (if no one beats me to it)
[14:46] <rtg> oh, I thought the point release was out the door already
[14:47] <stgraber> can all the flavour leads confirm that the following URLs are correct:
[14:47] <stgraber>     Kubuntu:       http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04.3-release
[14:47] <stgraber>     Edubuntu:      http://www.edubuntu.org/news/12.04.3-release
[14:47] <stgraber>     Mythbuntu:     http://www.mythbuntu.org/home/news/12043released
[14:47] <stgraber>     Ubuntu Studio: http://ubuntustudio.org/2013/08/ubuntu-studio-12-04-3-released/
[14:48] <slangasek> rtg: I'm a bit behind :)
[14:48] <xnox> slangasek: signed wubi is in my public_html dir now, not sure where it should move next.
[14:48] <slangasek> xnox: exact URL?
[14:49] <xnox> slangasek: i think something like into: ~ubuntu-archive/wubi/precise/ & update stable symlink.
[14:49] <xnox> slangasek: http://people.canonical.com/~xnox/wubi/precise/wubi-r279-precise-signed.exe
[14:51] <slangasek> xnox: well, we can push it to ~ubuntu-archive, sure; I don't think that's ever used for anything but testing though?  So I'm more concerned about getting it onto release.u.c
[14:52] <xnox> slangasek: i think nausacan knows how to fetch it from ~ubuntu-archive. It was hardcoded to fetch from ~ev before, and when ev was out riding motorcycles during raring release it was switched to use ~ubuntu-archive
[14:52] <smartboyhw> stgraber: That link will 404 for now, but it's correct, it will become good as you release it
[14:52] <slangasek> xnox: ah, ok
[14:52] <xnox> slangasek: or some such. cjwatson twiddled it.
[14:54] <slangasek> ok, copied &symlinkified
[14:54]  * xnox awaits for magic to happen.
[14:55]  * smartboyhw awaits for the release to happen.
[15:06] <slangasek> plars: it looks like we're ready to go except for wubi, and the MAAS (juju) test I mentioned above
[15:07] <plars> slangasek: having trouble getting anywhere with maas, I got pretty far but I'm not really set up for it here. I asked jamespage yesterday but I don't think he was in a position to try it at the time
[15:07] <slangasek> ok
[15:08] <plars> jamespage: is matsubara out? I haven't seen him show up
[15:09] <slangasek> jamespage: ^^ can you help us with this MAAS (juju) test for 12.04.3?
[15:09] <plars> slangasek: at least from the install side, the maas stuff is fine. I just couldn't get my nodes up and configured enough to make juju happy, but it's not something I have much experience with
[15:10] <plars> slangasek: so I think the problem is between the chair and the keyboard rather than a bug in juju or maas
[15:10] <slangasek> plars: understood.  I would be a lot more comfortable with pushing the release out knowing that juju+maas actually works, however
[15:11] <plars> indeed
[15:21] <superm1> stgraber: yeah the URL should already be live
[15:35] <xnox> Laney: can ADT results from mysql-5.5 5.5.32-0ubuntu2 be hinted to be ignored (never passed?) and upstart be hinted to becuase it did actually pass?
[15:37] <Laney> xnox: never passed> has someone looked into it at all?
[15:38] <slangasek> xnox: why do we want to give it a pass?
[15:38] <slangasek> people should be fixing those adt failures
[15:38] <slangasek> ... and why does upstart need a hint if it *did* pass? :)
[15:39] <xnox> slangasek: because britney thinks it's running.
[15:39] <slangasek> ah, right
[15:39] <Laney> the jenkins-britney stuff is busted atm and nobody knows how to fix it. :-)
[15:39]  * slangasek nods
[15:39] <Laney> dh_holidayfactor
[15:40] <xnox> slangasek: it should skip mysql failure, since it never passed, thus upstart is not introducing a regression. Similar way britney lets packages through that e.g. never managed to build on some architecture.
[15:40] <slangasek> xnox: "since it never passed"> I don't believe that's the standard we're supposed to be holding packages too
[15:40] <slangasek> s/too/to/
[15:41] <slangasek> the goal should be to have all autopkgtests *passing* routinely, not just being waved through when they fail
[15:41] <Laney> It's valid for packages to not build on some architectures
[15:41] <xnox> slangasek: sure, "never passed" should block that package from migrating, and should let the reverse-deps through.
[15:41] <Laney> for autopkgtests, not so much
[15:42] <slangasek> xnox: oh, I see
[15:42] <slangasek> I thought you meant to ignore mysql-5.5 test failures for its own migration
[15:42] <slangasek> carry on then!
[15:42] <xnox> slangasek: nope =) just to get upstart through.
[15:42] <Laney> I'm doing 'force-skiptest'
[15:42] <Laney> which makes it ignore all of the tests triggered by that upload IYSWIM
[15:42] <xnox> Laney: btw, I'm loving the new wallpapers =)
[15:42] <Laney> force-badtest is the other thing
[15:43] <Laney> oh yeah? approve that MP then :P
[15:43] <Laney> always impressed by how quickly omgubuntu finds these things
[15:44] <xnox> Laney: he subscribes to lp:ubuntu-wallpapers merge proposals.
[15:44] <Laney> evidently
[15:59] <Laney> xnox: it'd be nice if there were at least a bug for mysql filed with the server team / author of the autopkgtest assigned
[15:59] <Laney> ;-)
[16:02] <xnox> Laney: done https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.5/+bug/1216008
[16:02] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1216008 in mysql-5.5 (Ubuntu) "ADT tests failing" [High,Confirmed]
[16:02] <Laney> ♥
[16:45] <jamespage> slangasek, plars: looking now
[16:45] <jamespage> sorry its late
[16:45] <slangasek> jamespage: thanks!
[16:46] <plars> jamespage: smoser has been helping me too, he pointed me to some scripts which I was able to use to get things mostly going and configured
[16:46] <plars> jamespage: but we are both hitting a juju problem at the end
[16:46] <plars> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6018407/
[16:46] <plars> jamespage: ^
[16:49] <jamespage> plars, hmm - I see the same thing
[16:50] <jamespage> plars, you need a :80 in your MAAS url
[16:50] <jamespage> ffs
[16:51] <jamespage> plars, that was not directed at you btw
[16:51] <plars> ?
[16:51] <plars> jamespage: yeah, I think I agree with the sentiment
[16:51] <jamespage> plars, for example :    maas-server: 'http://10.200.0.1:80/MAAS/'
[16:51] <jamespage> OK
[16:51] <jamespage>     maas-server: 'http://10.200.0.1/MAAS/'
[16:51] <jamespage> #bang
[16:52] <jamespage> plars, OK - I have a server bootstrapping now
[16:53] <jamespage> plars, very slowly bootstrapping (~6MBps link)
[16:55] <plars> ok, slangasek, jamepage ^ might be something that should be release noted then?
[16:55] <slangasek> seems like something that should be part of the MAAS install documentation?
[16:56] <jamespage> slangasek, plars: I'm guessing its always been like that
[16:56] <jamespage> juju has not changed for this release and its a juju problem
[16:56]  * slangasek nods
[16:59] <jamespage> plars, over the slow bit now - everything hitting local cache!
[17:00] <smoser> jamespage, thank you.
[17:01] <plars> jamespage: looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/juju/+bug/1084514 maybe
[17:01] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1084514 in juju (Ubuntu) "Unable to connect to EC2 instance after bootstrap" [Medium,Confirmed]
[17:01] <jamespage> plars, nope - thats an ec2 provider issue - this is a maas provider issue
[17:03] <jamespage> plars, https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/972829
[17:03] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 972829 in juju (Ubuntu Precise) "maas-server setting requires port even when using http default" [Low,Triaged]
[17:04] <jamespage> plars, I'll persuade someone to backport that to precise
[17:06] <smoser> jamespage, i've fixed virtual-maas to add the :80
[17:06] <jamespage> smoser, great
[17:07] <jamespage> smoser, fwiw I never testing it on precise - just quantal at the time
[17:07] <plars> yeah, I know
[17:07] <smoser> right. well its now mostly fucntional on precise.
[17:07] <smoser> which is nice.
[17:07] <plars> but it sounds like everyone uses the new (recommended) stuff rather than run on precise
[17:07] <plars> so
[17:09] <jamespage> plars, it should still be functional - thats a minor niggle but a low risk change imho
[17:10] <jamespage> plars, 97% on bootstrap node
[17:10] <plars> slangasek: so in that case, though there is a bug here, it doesn't seem to be a regression
[17:10] <slangasek> plars: ack
[17:17] <jamespage> plars, juju bootstrap test passed - doing the deploy test now
[17:23] <plars> jamespage, slangasek: smoser just made it through a run successfully
[17:24] <jamespage> plars, ack - I'm done as well
[17:24] <jamespage> deploy is deploying
[17:24] <slangasek> great!
[17:24] <smoser> ship it
[17:25] <plars> jamespage, smoser: thanks a lot for your help
[17:25] <jamespage> plars, np - sorry it was a little late in the day!
[17:26] <plars> jamespage: np
[17:26] <plars> slangasek: Is that it then? or do we still need something else?
[17:28] <slangasek> plars: nope, that's it - thanks for all your help
[17:33] <plars> awesome
[18:03] <plars> have to move locations, need to disconnect for a bit
[18:08]  * infinity raises his brow.
[18:08] <infinity> Who NEWed linux-goldfish to main?
[18:09] <infinity> slangasek: Was that you?  Is there a reason we want it in main?
[18:10] <slangasek> infinity: yeah, that was me.  If we don't want it in main, it'll fall back out on its own soon enough; but we may find that we want it in main for the SDK
[18:10] <slangasek> are the kernels for the other reference devices in main?
[18:11] <infinity> Nope.
[18:11] <slangasek> ok
[18:11] <infinity> Because they're effectively unsupportable.
[18:11] <slangasek> sure
[18:13]  * infinity tosses goldfish to universe for now, and waits for someone to argue it should be otherwise so he can invoke the security and kernel team for a cage match.
[18:13] <slangasek> heh
[18:14] <slangasek> I am disappointed that 'checksum-directory . ~/cdimage/www/full/releases/precise/release .' appears to be reprocessing images.
[18:29] <slangasek> infinity: you don't happen to know the checksum-directory code, do you?
[18:31] <infinity> slangasek: Not since the python rewrite.
[18:31] <infinity> slangasek: Is it doing something angry and wrong?
[18:32] <infinity> slangasek: If it's doing weird things when you include the previous directory arguments in a silly attempt to save I/O and CPU time, you could just call it without that.
[18:32] <slangasek> infinity: given the runtime, I get the impression that it's actually re-checksumming some images as I'm archiving them, instead of just using the existing checksums from the OLD_DIRS
[18:32] <slangasek> right, the problem I'm having is that it's *not* saving I/O and CPU time, or at least not as much as it ought
[18:33] <infinity> Err, wait, you're re-checksumming while archiving?  We archive in whole directories, why would you need to do that?
[18:34] <infinity> Anyhow, no idea why it would be hating on your OLD_DIR bits, but that always seemed fragile in both the shell and python versions (in fact, I disabled it in the shell version, due to strange fragility, coming to the conclusion that correct was better than clever)
[18:34] <slangasek> because we don't archive whole directories for point releases
[18:34] <slangasek> (never have)
[18:35] <infinity> Oh, indeed, the point release layout is special.
[18:35] <infinity> (And wrong, IMO, but whatever.  Still special)
[19:42] <slangasek> grr, publish-release isn't coping properly with DIST=precise
[19:51] <phillw> slangasek: update Wubi is not marked ready. Are you not going with it?
[19:52] <slangasek> phillw: that's the upgrade test case, which doesn't affect publishing.
[19:52] <phillw> okies :D
[20:21] <slangasek> ok, published
[20:21]  * slangasek squints at http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04.3/. "Desktop cd"?  Who missed their capslock?
[20:22] <infinity> Huh, it's probably been like that ever since the Python rewrite, I've never noticed.
[20:23] <slangasek> actually, raring says 'Desktop image' rather than 'Desktop cd'... is that because we admitted to ourselves that it doesn't fit on a CD?
[20:24] <infinity> Yeah.  For image sizes over the 700MB constraint, it just says image.
[20:24] <infinity> Which may be why we never noticed the capitalisation thing.
[20:24] <slangasek> actually, it seems to key on release
[20:24] <infinity> Cause that would only affect ubuntu/precise and... lubuntu/saucy maybe.
[20:24] <slangasek> lib/cdimage/tree.py, lines 464 ff.
[20:25] <phillw> lubuntu saucy should also be CD sized. it is something we strive hard for,
[20:25] <infinity> Oh, hah.
[20:25] <infinity> Cute.
[20:26] <infinity> phillw: Yeah, we're not talking about actual sizes, just the text on the HTML pages.
[20:26] <phillw> okies, get's over minor heart attack :D
[20:26] <phillw> s/get's/me get's/
[20:26]  * infinity wonders why the "< quantal" bit at all, and suspects ditching that for "image" everywhere wouldn't hurt anyone's feelings.
[20:28] <slangasek> dunno, but this 'titlecase' function is also teh broĸen
[20:30] <phillw> I'm here learning, so please do excuse my n00b questions, lubuntu will have this 'fun' as of 14.04 so only this and one more to learn via :)
[20:37] <TheDrums> Not that it matters, but I'd recommend image too since they are hybrid (and USBs being nicer to boot anyway. ;) )
[20:37] <infinity> Oh, and now I remembered how I was going to get the precise CDs under 700M again: I was going to drop sl-modem-daemon.  Too late now.
[20:49] <slangasek> stgraber: nearly there; just waiting for the website updates to take
[20:50] <stgraber> slangasek: ok. I have the e-mail ready here, so just need to hit send and poke infinity to get it through moderation
[20:50] <infinity> Don't poke too hard, I'm squishy.
[20:51] <infinity> PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME RUN, I'M FULL OF CHOCOLATE.
[20:51]  * infinity wonders if it might be time for a Simpsons marathon.
[20:52] <stgraber> ;)
[20:52]  * infinity also wonders how many months of vacation he'd have to book to get through all 24 seasons.
[21:51] <qengho> Hi hi.  For phased updates, where is the "Phased-Update-Percentage" value set?  Can someone point me to an example of it in use?
[21:52] <qengho> I think I should find it in a archive Packages.gz file, but I don't see it yet.
[22:03] <stgraber> slangasek: any progress on the website?
[22:08] <qengho> bdmurray: Got a sec?  Where is a package's Phased-Update-Percentage stored and retrieved from?
[22:09] <bdmurray> qengho: if there is no phased-update percentage then it will not appear
[22:10] <bdmurray> qengho: you should be able to find it for the packages listed here http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html
[22:11] <bdmurray> and yes Packages.gz is the right place to look
[22:11] <bdmurray> just be sure it is the one from raring-updates
[22:12] <qengho> bdmurray: er, is "-updates" a condition for the test in update manager, or is it just the only place we'll practically apply those kinds of updates?
[22:13] <qengho> bdmurray: (I'm "asking for a friend" who is interested in using this mechanism for his software archive.)
[22:13] <bdmurray> only packages in -updates will have the Phased-Update-Percentage set
[22:13] <qengho> Right.
[22:24] <qengho> bdmurray: CC'd you on email reply, so you can tell me I'm wrong. I hope that's okay.
[22:26] <bdmurray> qengho: yep, that's fine
[23:19] <darkxst> hi, can I get ddebs enabled on ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-next
[23:20] <stgraber> Riddell, ScottK, highvoltage: about to push the announcement out, please make your posts public
[23:22] <stgraber> infinity: announcement sent
[23:26] <stgraber> infinity: hmm, I immediately got a "Your message was rejected" back from lists.ubuntu.com...
[23:27] <slangasek> stgraber: X-Ubuntu magic sekrit header?
[23:28] <infinity> Oh wait, this is going to ubuntu-announce, not devel-announce, I can't moderate that anyway.
[23:28] <stgraber> right, that's an e-mail to ubuntu-announce. I think it's the first time I need to send something to that one.
[23:28] <infinity> stgraber: You need an "X-Ubuntu: random string, vorlon likes to hide jokes in here" header.  And to ask IS to moderate it.
[23:29] <stgraber> infinity: ok
[23:34] <slangasek> infinity, stgraber: I can moderate it
[23:34] <infinity> slangasek: Oh, shiny.  I didn't realize anyone outside IS had mod on that list.
[23:34] <phillw> has kate left chasing up release notifications etc?
[23:40] <stgraber> slangasek: ok, so announcement is out and I updated the tracker to mark the milestone as released, anything else?
[23:40] <slangasek> stgraber: that should do the trick, thanks