[07:46] <popey> Morning.
[07:49] <MooDoo> morning popey
[08:13] <mungbean> morn
[08:16] <mungbean> realise we're not getting hte night shift in here anymore..people must be away...
[08:17] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:30] <AlanBell> morning
[08:31] <popey> mungbean: the loco is quiet in general
[08:37] <mungbean> popey: needs fresh injection?
[08:37] <bigcalm> I had forgotten that I had installed uptimed on all of my machines. Which is a good thing, because now I have stats to gaze at. Thank you UUPC for the reminder :D
[08:38] <mungbean> does it logs uptimes to a central server?
[08:38] <mungbean> or queries the servers from a conf file at runtime?
[08:38] <bigcalm> Not that I know
[08:39] <mungbean> how does it work?
[08:39] <bigcalm> mungbean: ask popey :D
[08:39] <mungbean> or listen to the programme?
[08:40] <mungbean> Uptimed has the ability to inform you of records and milestones through syslog and e-mail, and comes with a console front end to parse the records, which can also easily be used to show your records on your Web page.
[08:40] <bigcalm> uupc_s06e26.mp3 23:02
[08:40] <bigcalm> !uptimed
[08:40] <bigcalm> !info uptimed
[08:42] <mungbean> http://www.robertjohnkaper.com/software/uptimed/ is a fail
[08:45] <mungbean> does uptimed allow you to query all srvers or you are just doing a for blah in `cat servers` do ....
[08:46] <bigcalm> You're asking the wrong person :)
[08:46] <mungbean> < bigcalm> I had forgotten that I had installed uptimed on all of my machines. Which is a good thing, because now I have stats to gaze at.
[08:46] <mungbean> :P
[08:46] <mungbean> just wondered if you were gazing at individual machines or a collection all togethre ;)
[08:48] <bigcalm> Go back in time, install uptimed. Come back to the present and run uprecords: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6016924/
[08:49] <bigcalm> mungbean: so far I have run it on individual machines. I have not investigated any other aspects of the utility
[08:49] <mungbean> coolio
[08:49] <mungbean> thax
[08:51] <bigcalm> 808 State!
[08:51]  * bigcalm raves
[08:57] <popey> mungbean: yes
[08:57] <bigcalm> :D
[08:58] <bigcalm> Boolean answers, the response to multiple questions at once!
[08:58] <mungbean> get your mate joey to raise profile of loco :P
[08:59] <mungbean> he has lots of enthusiastic readers
[09:00] <popey> he only asked me one question
[09:00] <popey> and I only answered one
[09:00] <bigcalm> Aww
[09:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh popey got a mo?
[09:04] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning all.
[09:06] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: sure
[09:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wife and kids have just left. Wifey back tomorrow or Sunday. Kids back next weekend :-D
[09:06] <popey> \o/ Home alone
[09:06] <brobostigon> morning TheOpenSourcerer
[09:06] <brobostigon> :)
[09:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> lo brobostigon
[09:11] <MooDoo> yay popey
[09:11] <MooDoo> so what are your plans for the weekend....beer, ubuntu and telly?
[09:13] <SuperMatt> DnD for my weekend
[09:13] <popey> Doctor Who
[09:13] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: my son has just discovered warhammer 40k
[09:13] <SuperMatt> I have no knowledge of warhammer
[09:14] <mungbean> have a weird problem with my windows install . text is terrible ! tuning cleartype does not work
[09:14] <brobostigon> will be good here also, home alone for the weekend, so am cooking for my gf tonight.
[09:14] <SuperMatt> I also have no knowledge of D&D, but then neither do my friends, yet we're giving it a go
[09:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> MooDoo: My son is mad for WH40k
[09:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> & Minecraft
[09:15] <mungbean> is that the real game involving chracters or a virtual game?
[09:15] <SuperMatt> I've tried getting in to mine craft, it just doesn't seem to happen for me
[09:15] <SuperMatt> though I imagine it wouldn't be difficult to run a D&D game based on minecraft, from what I know of it
[09:15] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: WHAT? don't like minecraft?
[09:16] <SuperMatt> I just don't really see the point of it really
[09:16] <SuperMatt> either that or I don't have the time for it
[09:16] <mungbean> ditto, i don't have time to invest, so i've never tried it
[09:16] <MooDoo> it's fun and my son loves it
[09:17] <mungbean> i would enjoy it if i had time to :P
[09:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> I've never played it, but I do host a server for him and his mates.
[09:18] <popey> "I dont see the point of lego" is basically what you just said SuperMatt
[09:18] <brobostigon> maccano :)
[09:19] <popey> SuperMatt: have you ever played it?
[09:19] <SuperMatt> I have
[09:19] <SuperMatt> but lego is so very different to minecraft, becauase you already have the piece laid out in front of you, and you can make whatever you want in no time at all
[09:20] <SuperMatt> in minecraft you have to find the bits you want, then start making stuff, then you have to build some steps up so you can finish the top, and then remove them
[09:20] <SuperMatt> it's just a long winded lego
[09:21] <popey> no. you dont
[09:21] <popey> creative mode == lego
[09:22] <SuperMatt> then what's the point of the other modes?
[09:22] <popey> fun
[09:22] <mungbean> i might buy it for my mrs when there's a sale on next
[09:22] <mungbean> for android
[09:22] <brobostigon> mungbean: minecraft pe cant connect to normal minecraft servers.
[09:23] <popey> I'd be surprised if there's ever a sale on minecraft pe
[09:23] <popey> don't recall it ever being discounted
[09:23] <mungbean> 0.99
[09:23] <mungbean> in the google billion app sale
[09:24] <popey> oh, missed that
[09:25] <mungbean> since then my wife is asking for contruction games
[09:25] <bigcalm> I got it for 10p :)
[09:25] <bigcalm> Haven't played it since
[09:25] <bigcalm> I like using mouse and keyboard
[09:26] <brobostigon> it would also be nice to be able to connect to normal servers.
[09:26] <popey> SuperMatt: survival and hardcore are fun if you want to go adventuring, and challenge yourself.
[09:26] <bigcalm> The above is also good for buddy building
[09:26] <bigcalm> (and mining)
[09:26] <jussi> AlanBell: you about at all ?
[09:26] <AlanBell> might be
[09:27] <jussi> :D
[09:27] <jussi> I PM'ed
[09:27] <mungbean> is the sims android version a DLC money spinner?
[09:27] <popey> arent all android games?
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[09:27] <brobostigon> dlc ?
[09:28] <mungbean> paid for downloadable power ups and content
[09:28] <popey> i am serious
[09:28] <brobostigon> ah.
[09:28] <mungbean> jus want a full game with no scams
[09:28] <popey> the vast majority of games these days are F2P and IAP
[09:28] <mungbean> they are evil
[09:28] <popey> *especially* those from big companies like EA
[09:29] <popey> my kids have dozens of games on android, and they all nag them to buy updates
[09:29] <popey> it's a massive pile of pooh
[09:29] <mungbean> especially EA i agree
[09:29] <popey> because there's been a race to the bottom price wise and people have a sense of entitlement to free stuff now
[09:29] <brobostigon> or crippled abit, like minecraft compared to the normal client.
[09:29] <bashrc> It's back to the old nagware model
[09:29] <popey> people are "outraged" when a game costs 99p
[09:30] <bashrc> silly
[09:30] <popey> yeah, like shareware from 1993
[09:30] <mungbean> the sims3 is 4.99
[09:30] <jussi> popey: but yet, when an itrem in game cost 99p, thats fine
[09:30] <mungbean> unsire if includes IAP though
[09:30] <popey> it is if you've invested days in it
[09:30] <jussi> exactly
[09:30] <popey> I've played tiny tower on iOS for *hours*
[09:30] <popey> but wont give them a penny
[09:31] <mungbean> they need a logo/symbol to say when a game includes IAP
[09:31] <popey> so I am just as guilty
[09:31] <popey> they do on ios ☻
[09:31] <popey> https://itunes.apple.com/en/app/tiny-tower/id422667065?mt=8 on the left "Top IAP"
[09:31] <bashrc> I'm not much of a gamer.  Flightgear is about the limit of my gaming activities.
[09:32] <jussi> bashrc: yeah, flight sims and a bit of heroes 3 is my limits atm :D
[09:32] <popey> heh, i cant get a plane to a) get off the ground, and b) stay in the air in flightgear
[09:32] <jussi> however, I use the more "professional" flight sim for linux :)
[09:32] <mungbean> same for the flight game i downloaded from GOG
[09:33] <jussi> (Xplane)
[09:33] <popey> i used to love Tower
[09:33] <mungbean> 1hr to get off the ground
[09:33] <bashrc> There are a lot of flaky aircraft models.  The SenecaII seems like a good one
[09:33] <popey> that was an awesome game
[09:33] <mungbean> i just want a game like chocks away for archimedes
[09:33] <popey> wish someone would re-make it for modern platforms. I have to install it under WINE from 3 floppy disk images
[09:34] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/scrot/2004-02-01-201732_1280x960_scrot.png  <- tower!
[09:34] <popey> nearly 10 years ago
[09:34] <jussi> popey:  DEBIAN!!! TRAITOR!!! :P :P : P
[09:35] <MooDoo> wassup with debian?
[09:35] <popey> apparently you could connect Tower over serial cable to MS Flight Sim and be the control tower for your friend flying a plane
[09:35] <MooDoo> :p
[09:35] <popey> MooDoo: humour
[09:35] <MooDoo> popey: i know obviously
[09:35] <bashrc> I think there is a control tower part of flightgear
[09:38] <mungbean> can't tell if there's something wrong with my windows install or i just am not used to using it
[09:38] <mungbean> nasty fonts, too much glare
[09:39] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/scrot/2005-09-21-224627_1920x1200_scrot.png  hehehe
[09:40] <popey> that was on my old dell xps
[09:40] <popey> loved that laptop
[09:40] <jussi> popey: I assume you have come across http://sourceforge.net/projects/towerx/ (yes, you got me googling)
[09:41] <bashrc> I preserved Windows 8 on my new laptop, but have barely used it.
[09:41] <popey> i had not
[10:00] <czajkowski> davmor2: peeka boo
[10:06] <bigcalm> What are the chances that Royal Mail will make a surprise delivery with my Galaxy Nexus?
[10:08] <mungbean> its a formula, relating to , are you in the house, in the shower, cooking/onthe phone.
[10:12] <mungbean> While most children wait until they are 12 for a phone - soon after starting secondary school - nine per cent of those surveyed had already been bought one by their parents at five:-|
[10:14] <bigcalm> Amazon say that it was dispatched yesterday and should be delivered from Tuesday next week
[10:14] <mungbean> probability dropping....
[10:15] <bigcalm> And I'm away from home tonight until Sunday night
[10:15] <popey> Sophie wants an iPod Touch for her birthday
[10:15] <bigcalm> popey: at least it's not an iPhone
[10:15] <popey> bigcalm: you dont have a tracking ID?
[10:15] <popey> indeed
[10:15] <bigcalm> popey: no
[10:15] <popey> bummer
[10:15] <bigcalm> Yeah
[10:15] <popey> she's saved up quite a bit towards it
[10:15] <bigcalm> Good girl :)
[10:16] <mungbean> £20M ?
[10:16] <mungbean> too soon
[10:16] <popey> ☻
[10:16] <bigcalm> She sounds as though she's got a sensible head on her shoulders and has been brought up well
[10:16] <bigcalm> mungbean: too late
[10:16] <mungbean> except for the apple part
[10:17] <bigcalm> Is there an android equivalent of an iPod Touch?
[10:17] <bigcalm> My Galaxy Nexus will be due to lack of sim card :D
[10:17] <mungbean> i'm sure archos , sony et al do them
[10:17] <popey> http://www.giuseppecolarusso.it/improbabilita_.html is delightful
[10:17] <popey> she already has access to an android device
[10:18] <popey> and would rather have an ipod touch
[10:18] <bigcalm> I like the tape measure belt
[10:19] <mungbean> i like the spray can
[10:20] <mungbean> very nice set of pics
[10:20] <popey> i like the rope cutlery
[10:20] <popey> yeah
[10:20] <bigcalm> 2 pint mug is for Zaphod Beeblebrox
[10:21] <mungbean> have you seen those glasses of wine they sell in the offie?
[10:21] <mungbean> its a plastic goblet of wine with a foil lid
[10:23] <mungbean> http://thischarmingcharlie.tumblr.com/
[10:29] <bigcalm> mungbean: damn you, I was trying to get work done
[10:32] <mungbean> bwahahah
[10:32] <mungbean> its only 10 mins
[10:32] <mungbean> of pleasure
[10:33] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:34]  * popey pokes davmor2 with pm
[10:35] <davmor2> I just had to wait 40 minutes to get a prescription for the mother in law from her doctors, I was ready to suggest they pay me to get the queue down while I stood there doing nothing grrrrrrrrrrrr </rant>
[10:35] <davmor2> popey: you might think you have
[10:36] <popey> i did
[10:36] <popey> 40 mins ago
[10:38] <mungbean> ewww conversation with nurse at doctors "we're just waitig for them to grow the cultures"
[10:38] <mungbean> sent them a toenail clipping ;)
[10:39] <mungbean> i just thought they would put it in a machine
[10:39] <mungbean> and get a result
[10:40] <daftykins> D:
[10:40] <daftykins> perhaps you've provided a new form of biological warfare, mungbean
[10:40] <mungbean> just doing my bit
[10:40] <mungbean> queen and country
[10:40] <daftykins> :>
[10:41] <popey> ebay still broken, 3 hours later
[10:41] <mungbean> proper broke?
[10:41] <daftykins> cor, so it is
[10:41] <mungbean> WFM
[10:41] <popey> login and pages dont appear properly
[10:41] <popey> see @ebay_uk for lies about maintenance ☻
[10:41] <daftykins> XD
[10:42] <mungbean> remember when ebay used to be down for maintaneance every friday morning 7-11?
[10:42] <daftykins> ah there we go, swooshing for a good 20 seconds then it came up
[10:42] <daftykins> it did!?
[10:42] <mungbean> in the 90s and early 2000s
[10:42] <mungbean> properly offline
[10:42] <popey> yeah
[10:43] <popey> i remember that
[10:43] <popey> i also remember icq ☻
[10:43] <popey> 11317622
[10:43] <mungbean> sad
[10:43] <daftykins> :)
[10:43] <mungbean> i don't remember my uni library card number
[10:43] <mungbean> not at all
[10:44] <popey> i remember my dads number plate from ~1979
[10:44] <mungbean> nor the registrations of my friends dads cars either
[10:44] <popey> PLM573W
[10:44] <popey> ELY760T
[10:44] <mungbean> ruv275Y
[10:44] <popey> ☻
[10:44] <mungbean> tmj118w
[10:44] <mungbean> same era
[10:44] <popey> Talbot Solara and Talbot Horizon
[10:44] <popey> hideous cars
[10:45] <mungbean> cars were moer simple then
[10:45] <mungbean> were they brown?
[10:45] <popey> white and blue
[10:45] <daftykins> such misspent youths!
[10:45] <daftykins> i totally don't remember several game CD keys *whistle*
[10:45] <popey> friend had a brown allegro
[10:45] <popey> used to go on holiday in it, horrid journeys
[10:45] <popey> but memorable ☻
[10:45] <mungbean> i'm reading richard hammond book atm to please my wife
[10:46] <mungbean> many references to chopper bikes and mashing your goolies on the gear change
[10:46] <daftykins> D:
[10:46] <popey> i didnt have a chopper
[10:46] <popey> i had the smaller one, grifter?
[10:46] <popey> imitation, but same layout
[10:46] <mungbean> tomahawk
[10:46] <mungbean> i had pavemaster, tomahawk, grifter, chopper
[10:47] <mungbean> grifter was bmx with ghears
[10:47] <mungbean> they did a girls chopper called a budgie too i think
[10:47] <daftykins> XD
[10:48] <mungbean> one day all the other boys who lived in teh alleyway crowded round to try my tomahhawk because you could do massive wheelies and it had an interesting brakes
[10:48] <mungbean> bikes were my world as a boy
[10:49] <daftykins> :)
[10:49] <daftykins> i still love 'em
[10:49] <daftykins> my main one is a carbon fibre framed full suspension competitive cross country specialized
[10:50] <daftykins> albeit with intelligent rear suspension that doesn't make you bounce up and down losing all your power when going uphill
[10:51] <AlanBell> mungbean: grifter was BMX with gears and a frame made from reinforced concrete
[10:52] <AlanBell> I had a chopper
[10:52] <mungbean> slip gear lol
[10:53] <popey> intelligent rear suspension lol
[10:53] <popey> ☻
[11:03] <davmor2> I still remember my first bike and then stripping it down to see how it ticked then putting it back together again and everyone being amazed at the fact I'd done it.  Apparently most 8-10 year olds ride bikes not repair them.  I pointed out though that my mom couldn't so I needed too :)
[11:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> My first "proper car" was a Talbot Solara
[11:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> And talking of Chopppers... Seen what we did to my kid's bike this summer? https://plus.google.com/u/0/104060033182234025482/posts/FAhn1YNnkjv
[11:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> Right am going out for a while. Drop off a ticket, do some shopping and collect a laptop.
[11:07] <bigcalm> Goodness
[11:07] <bigcalm> Choochoo ticket?
[11:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> might be MooDoo
[11:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> opps bigcalm
[11:08] <bigcalm> o.O
[11:08] <bigcalm> Oh, goodo :)
[11:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> For davey
[11:08] <bigcalm> Demand that penny
[11:08] <bigcalm> You will be missed, but I'm glad that the ticket won't be going to waste
[11:08] <bigcalm> That said, how wasted is Davey likely to get?
[11:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hah - I got - 1p but + 1 pint so I reckon am quid's in.
[11:09] <bigcalm> :D
[11:11] <daftykins> anyone else been getting these google calendar spam events lately?
[11:11] <daftykins> just started yesterday for me - i've already changed the setting so it's no bother, just hadn't seen it before
[11:11] <bigcalm> ?
[11:11] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: you stole AlanBell 's saddle
[11:11] <daftykins> anyone that knows a gmail address can invite that gmail to a calendar event that'll automatically appear on their calendar
[11:12] <bigcalm> daftykins: I only use the calendar via Thunderbird
[11:12] <bigcalm> Ouch
[11:12] <daftykins> you have to go into the settings and disable automatic acceptance
[11:12] <bigcalm> It's on by default?
[11:12] <daftykins> which is a bit of an insane default
[11:12] <daftykins> yeah X|
[11:13] <davmor2> AlanBell: https://plus.google.com/u/0/104060033182234025482/posts/FAhn1YNnkjv  steal it back
[11:34] <AlanBell> the chopper saddle was a heap bigger than that one
[11:35] <AlanBell> http://www.virtualgaz.com/chopperpage.htm one of the only bikes where someone could ride pillion
[11:36] <davmor2> AlanBell: indeed but that saddle has your name on it :)
[11:38] <AlanBell> so it does
[11:38] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: I might have a very small front wheel
[11:42] <daftykins> wow that page is so close to being geocities
[11:52] <jussi> bah, anyone know where to get a windows 7 pro 64bit cd image?
[11:53] <jussi> (minus viruses etc, ie. not a nasty torrent)
[11:53] <jussi> I have a licence, just not media
[11:53] <davmor2> jussi: microsoft? :D
[11:54] <daftykins> jussi: got a laptop that's got a creamed install and no media huh?
[11:55] <mleo> Hi
[11:55] <bashrc> Could Wine be a solution?
[11:55] <daftykins> to...?
[11:55] <bashrc> Having to reinstall Windows
[11:56] <daftykins> of course not
[11:56] <bashrc> Depends what Windows apps you want to run
[11:56] <mleo> I'm linux newbie, trying to setup a linux ubuntu with JEOS 12.04 on my VMware Fusion, but encounter following error W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/ E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened
[11:56] <mleo> Hope someone can guide to fix
[11:56] <daftykins> sounds like you're trying to run two package managers at once
[11:57] <jussi> daftykins: that one...
[11:57] <daftykins> ?
[11:57] <mleo> ?
[11:58] <mleo> daftykins
[11:58] <daftykins> mleo: is this when trying to update via command line?
[11:58] <mleo> yes
[11:58] <mleo> yes, if update via command line
[11:58] <daftykins> is a graphical software updater already open?
[11:58] <mleo> nope
[11:58] <jussi> daftykins: [14:54:26] <daftykins> jussi: got a laptop that's got a creamed install and no media huh? exactly right...
[11:58] <mleo> this is a JEOS
[11:59] <mleo> give me 10mins be right back
[11:59] <jussi> anyway, there is some driver issue that can only be reset through windows...
[11:59] <jussi> sadly
[11:59] <daftykins> jussi: see my PM
[12:00] <daftykins> mleo: /win 11
[12:00] <daftykins> oops
[12:00] <daftykins> failtastic
[12:00] <davmor2> jussi: let me guess bluetooth :D
[12:01] <jussi> davmor2: actually, no
[12:01] <davmor2> jussi: that's the normal one apparently :)
[12:01] <jussi> davmor2: power/battery. Ubuntu thinks the battery is dead, and not connected
[12:01] <davmor2> jussi: oh nice
[12:02] <jussi> however, said batter works fine on the other laptop...
[12:02] <jussi> internet says reinstall windows driver, problem solved
[12:06] <davmor2> jussi: see pm
[12:06] <popey> tsk tsk
[12:09] <daftykins> mleo: ok so it's a pure CLI system
[12:09] <mleo> yes pure CLI
[12:09] <mleo> at the moment i need to fix the erro mention first
[12:09] <daftykins> and "sudo apt-get update" is giving the above?
[12:10] <mleo> yes the apt-get update will get above error
[12:11] <daftykins> i wonder if something else is running that's locking said files - i take it you've restarted this VM to be sure?
[12:12] <mleo> restarted many times, every time boot up it show boot hdd0 error read-only
[12:12] <mleo> once enter will allow to login
[12:12] <daftykins> ah that'll be why then :)
[12:12] <daftykins> can you pastebin the output of "cat /etc/fstab" ?
[12:13] <mungbean> guide for helping your kids learn to drive
[12:13] <mungbean> http://i.imgur.com/CnawiLt.jpg
[12:13] <popey> haha
[12:13] <daftykins> :D
[12:13] <daftykins> have to adjust that down to 35mph for Guernsey \o/
[12:13] <popey> sounds like the filesystem is read-only mleo
[12:13] <mleo> It show "UNCONFIGURED FSTAB FOR BASE SYSTEM
[12:14] <daftykins> heh
[12:14] <daftykins> well, that's interesting
[12:14] <mleo> Download from here
[12:14] <mleo> http://virtualappliances.eu/?download
[12:14] <popey> whats the goal of using jeos here mleo ?
[12:14] <davmor2> daftykins: that's the word yes interesting :D
[12:14] <daftykins> ^_^
[12:15] <popey> that car has done 158K miles
[12:15] <mleo> I'm running SLB demo where i need a bare minimum Webserver / DNS / on my limited Macbook Air
[12:15] <popey> ideal for child-units then
[12:15] <popey> SLB?
[12:17] <mleo> Server Load Balancer
[12:17] <mleo> :)
[12:17] <daftykins> can't really trust the source of that JeOS VM, i'd try and find another source or just go with 'server'
[12:17] <mleo> ok let me find another source
[12:18] <popey> JEOS isn't really designed for that
[12:18] <popey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JeOS
[12:18] <popey> ☻
[12:18] <mleo> will be back here in short
[12:18] <popey> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/jeos/releases/ ☹  404
[12:18] <popey> no longer supported I suspect
[12:18]  * popey pokes Daviey 
[12:19] <davmor2> popey: I thought they'd made the base install of ubuntu server effectively jeos could be wrong it's been a while :)
[12:19] <popey> yeah
[12:25] <diddledan_> jeos was seriously neglected last I looked 10.04 I believe was the latest release
[12:28] <popey> i thought only 8.04 was released
[12:29] <popey> ahh "Its first release was Ubuntu JeOS 7.10, and since the release of Ubuntu 8.10 it has been included as an option as part of the standard Ubuntu Server Edition"
[12:29] <popey> thanks wikipedia
[12:29] <popey> Thepedia
[12:30] <diddledan_> oh maybe I'm two years out of time :-p
[12:30] <diddledan_> I thought it was 10.04 but it might have been 8.04
[12:30] <diddledan_> 8.04 is worse than neglected then :-p
[12:32] <popey> well, as it says, merged into server as davmor2 said, so as daftykins says, worth just installing server
[12:32] <davmor2> popey: Yay I remembered something woohoo
[12:33] <daftykins> cookie for you \o/
[12:34] <mleo> So after installing the normal server, how can i slim it down
[12:34] <mleo> coz my macbook air limited disk space
[12:34] <daftykins> well it's really not going to be that big to start with
[12:34] <daftykins> why don't you buy an external hard disk and store VMs on that?
[12:37] <davmor2> mleo: there is a jeos option on the install
[12:52] <popey> mleo: i think there's a "command line only" install option
[12:52] <popey> mleo: when you boot the installer, press space before you get the menu, and there's some extra options function keys at the bottom
[12:52] <popey> one has a minimal install option in it
[12:53] <mleo> popey let me try
[12:53] <mleo> downloading the ISO now
[13:19] <ali1234> you can't really slim down server, but you don't need to - it's already tiny compared to ubuntu-desktop
[13:29] <jussi> can someone explain to me what the GNU AFFERO GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE V3 is about, in very wide terms ?
[13:31] <Monotoko> I've bloody had it with this insruance company
[13:33] <Monotoko> They now refuse because it has been replaced by Apple in the past and may use refurbished stock
[13:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wow - just had a call from Nigel Jones (nee patel) at the "World Wide Web Server". That said I hadn't shutdown my computer properly and lots of programs were in error!
[13:37] <ali1234> jussi: if you run a web service based on code under that license, you have to make the code available, even though you're not distributing any binaries
[13:37] <ali1234> also applies to other types of services
[13:37] <nigelb> TheOpenSourcerer: Oh those have come to UK too?
[13:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Managed to keep him talking for a while until I got bored.
[13:38] <nigelb> My Australian friend gets them all the time.
[13:38] <jussi> ali1234: yeah, ok. but fif you are the user of said service, and you download the code and modify it, what then?
[13:38] <nigelb> But from "Microsoft"
[13:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[13:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hey nigelb
[13:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> how R U?
[13:38]  * jussi shoots TheOpenSourcerer's pm window... again
[13:38] <nigelb> I'm good! Happy to be alive! :)
[13:38] <ali1234> jussi: if you modify the code and then make your own web service based on it, you have to make the source available to users of your service
[13:39] <jussi> ali1234: ok, thats the info I hoped for, thank you.
[13:39] <nigelb> Ooh, AGPL.
[13:39] <nigelb> The "FUN" license.
[13:39] <ali1234> in other words it is exactly like the GPL except "conveying" is extended to cover making a service available to users over a network
[13:41] <mungbean> methinks nigelb has nigel on highlight
[13:41] <nigelb> Yup!
[13:41] <mungbean> i forget how many (i.e. 80%) idle on this channel
[13:41] <nigelb> I do talk in here when I am in UK and plotting to meet the various Alans
[13:42] <popey> \o/ Alans
[13:42] <SuperMatt> Bullmer is retiring \o/
[13:42] <mungbean> link?
[13:42] <popey> see all news
[13:42] <mungbean> "retiring"
[13:42] <nigelb> http://www.forbes.com/sites/steveschaefer/2013/08/23/microsoft-ceo-steve-ballmer-to-retire-in-next-12-months/
[13:43] <nigelb> Yup, retiring.
[13:43] <SuperMatt> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/press/2013/aug13/08-23AnnouncementPR.aspx
[13:43] <nigelb> But, funny that MSFT shares shot up after the annnouncement :P
[13:43] <SuperMatt> yup!
[13:44] <SuperMatt> I'm certainly interested in what their new direction will be
[13:45] <SuperMatt> it can't be much worse than the direction they took with windows 8
[13:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Quelle surprise. The big investors have been after his blood for ages.
[13:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> The bloke was a total idiot. I toned that down for the CoC
[13:47] <SuperMatt> hahah
[13:48] <mungbean> epic numpty
[13:48] <mungbean> i love his portrayal in pirates of silicon valley
[13:52] <SuperMatt> what was that?
[13:52] <SuperMatt> or is that something you've just made up?
[13:53] <mungbean> its an epic film
[13:53]  * TheOpenSourcerer is finding it hard to focus as it's Friday afternoon and been a totally manic week!
[13:54]  * TheOpenSourcerer will likely be heading to the pub early today.
[13:54]  * davmor2 can hear TheOpenSourcerer 's head click as the measures the second till beer O'Clock
[13:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> "Are we there yet?"
[13:56] <mungbean> SuperMatt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrPU5_lBWX4
[13:56] <mungbean> full movie is on youtube, see you in 2hrs
[13:56] <mungbean> this makes me feel physiscally sick http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE
[13:57] <mungbean> stoopid ballmer
[13:59] <SuperMatt> oh god
[13:59] <SuperMatt> that's the least attractive thing I have ever seen
[14:00] <mungbean> and somewhat compelling
[14:00] <SuperMatt> developers!
[14:00] <mungbean> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc
[14:01] <mungbean> this is the CEO of MS
[14:01] <SuperMatt> how did anyone take him seriously?
[14:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> They did?
[14:01] <SuperMatt> "GIVE IT UP FOR ME" he just screamed
[14:02] <SuperMatt> I've never seen anyone with such an over inflated sense of self worth
[14:02]  * mungbean ponders that
[14:03] <mungbean> maybe some rappers.
[14:03] <mungbean> but there's not much in it
[14:04] <mungbean> feeling ill after that sandwich :(
[14:04] <mungbean> 2hrs of feeling crap until i go home
[14:05] <SuperMatt> I've got two an a half hours before home time, but some of that will be used up in our weekly cake sessions
[14:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> cd ..
[14:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> ooops
[14:11] <SuperMatt> pwd
[14:11] <SuperMatt> sudo rm -rf /
[14:11] <bigcalm> sudo make me a sandwich
[14:11]  * TheOpenSourcerer slaps SuperMatt
[14:11] <SuperMatt> I know I was typing that in to irc, but it still gave me the willies
[14:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> The chap from the "World Wide Web Server" who rang me might see that and type it in!
[14:12] <davmor2> SuperMatt: that is a bad command to teach novices
[14:13] <SuperMatt> I know :) I would never teach novices that
[14:13] <SuperMatt> TheOpenSourcerer: you mean the NSA guys?
[14:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> OMG! is that who called me?
[14:13] <SuperMatt> I wonder if there's anything that can be done to inject code in to their servers
[14:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Almost certainly if you know you the right people.
[14:15] <davmor2> SuperMatt: But why would you inject code into the "World Wide Web Server" you would bring down the net ;)
[14:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Maybe that is his secret plan...
[14:17] <SuperMatt> you're on to me!
[14:17]  * SuperMatt flees
[14:17] <SuperMatt^Totall> dang
[14:17] <mungbean> ding
[14:17] <SuperMatt^Totall> that was supposed to say TotallyNotHere
[15:11] <popey> http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1kvhmz/whats_the_best_programming_joke_that_you_know/ is fun
[15:26] <bigcalm> popey: I want my afternoon back!
[15:27] <popey> hah
[15:27] <bigcalm> "That's not theft, that's creative re-appropriation without proper citation. All programmers do it."
[15:28] <bigcalm> Very true, though I do try to cite the source when using a verbatim fix
[15:30] <ali1234> "Let's push it back up the hill and see if it does it again." - truth
[15:30] <bigcalm> One for davmor2 "A testing engineer walks into a bar. Runs into a bar. Crawls into a bar. Dances into a bar. Tiptoes into a bar. Rams into a bar. Jumps into a bar. Slides into a bar. Stumbles into a bar. Looks at a bar"
[15:32] <bigcalm> "A project manager is a person who thinks nine women can deliver a baby in one month" - this makes me sad because it is true :(
[15:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: That's just not funny, There's no description of the bar, the climate, what's on the bar, and you forgot reverses, skips and hops ;)
[15:35]  * bigcalm claws his way back to work
[15:35] <mungbean> brilliant
[15:35] <mungbean> What's the best thing thing about UDP jokes?
[15:35] <mungbean> I don't care if you get them
[15:36] <mungbean> upvotes all round
[15:37] <davmor2> bigcalm: I don't believe you :P
[15:50] <ali1234> elementary is pretty good...
[15:50] <bigcalm> The Sherlock rip-off?
[15:50] <davmor2> ali1234: get you coat, get it now, never come back :D
[15:50] <ali1234> no the OS
[15:51] <davmor2> ali1234: okay your forgiven my head was working like bigcalm 's
[15:51]  * bigcalm shudders at the very idea
[15:52] <bigcalm> They have a nice looking website
[15:52] <bigcalm> I like how the footer is hiding
[15:52] <popey> hm. i have this manky chinese tablet, SmartQ T20
[15:52] <popey> looks like it will never get any software updates
[15:52] <popey> http://en.smartdevices.com.cn/Support/Downloads/T20/
[15:52] <popey> last one at the beginning of the year
[15:53] <popey> they haven't released kernel sources for anything, proprietary blob for gpu...
[15:53] <bigcalm> popey: the Kogan POS was throw away as soon as I got it
[15:53] <popey> not much i can do with it really, other than use what's on it, i mean, can't put vm on it
[15:53] <popey> s/vm/cm/
[15:54] <popey> performance is okay
[15:54] <Nafallo> popey: that phone you linked at will be android :-(
[15:54] <popey> what phone?
[15:54] <ali1234> the new indiegogo thing
[15:55] <Nafallo> ^--
[15:55] <ali1234> that one that's got like $7 so far
[15:55] <Nafallo> the linca :-)
[15:56] <popey> forgot it already ☻
[15:56] <popey> well yeah, of course it will
[15:56] <Nafallo> unlocked bootloader though :-)
[15:57] <ali1234> so it's a nexus 4?
[15:57] <Nafallo> ali1234: the nexus isn't quadcore with 4GB ram and 128GB storage though? ;-)
[15:57] <ali1234> so what?
[15:58] <ali1234> it also exists
[15:58] <Nafallo> heh
[15:58] <ali1234> quad core ARM and 4GB is completely pointless for a phone
[15:58] <ali1234> and nowhere near enough for a desktop
[15:59] <Nafallo> I haven't tried ARM on the desktop, so no comment :-)
[15:59] <ali1234> i haven't tried ARM on desktop but i've tried desktop on ARM: it sucks
[15:59] <Nafallo> fair enough
[16:00] <ali1234> this is how slow ARM chips are: the standard way to compile software for ARM is inside an ARM emulator on x86... and it's still faster
[16:00] <Nafallo> x86_64 :-)
[16:01] <ali1234> you can't even look at the maximum performance of the chips, because they can't run flat out constantly without melting
[16:01] <ali1234> not inside a mobile phone that is
[16:01] <Nafallo> also, I thought the main driver for compiling under qemu was /unstable hardware/ :-)
[16:01] <ali1234> not really
[16:02] <ali1234> it's the same compiler, what difference would it make?
[16:02] <ali1234> ideally we could use cross compilers, but too many pieces of software are not packaged properly, and fail to cross compile
[16:02] <Nafallo> ehrm... development board vs. released HP server...
[16:02] <ali1234> in that situation the alternatives are qemu, or real hardware
[16:02] <Nafallo> big difference in hardware stability :-)
[16:03] <ali1234> and it turns out qemu is faster
[16:03] <Nafallo> because the compile doesn't gets reset mid-through five times? ;-)
[16:03] <ali1234> why would it though?
[16:04] <ali1234> development boards don't just randomly crash
[16:04] <Nafallo> UNSTABLE HARDWARE
[16:04] <Nafallo> ;-)
[16:04] <ali1234> well, unless you overheat them
[16:04] <Nafallo> heating wasn't the problem we had.
[16:04] <Nafallo> immature hardware.
[16:05] <ali1234> yeah, that's not a problem at all when you're developing for released consumer hardware
[16:05] <Nafallo> they just wasn't up for being build machines :-P
[16:05] <ali1234> well, quite
[16:05] <Nafallo> sure, I believe that.
[16:05] <Nafallo> but we didn't have that :-D
[16:05] <popey> Moonshot!
[16:06] <Nafallo> not sure there even was released  hardware, other than smartbooks :-)
[16:06] <popey> AC100's ☻
[16:06] <ali1234> yeah, they were supposed to be the next big thing weren't they?
[16:06] <Nafallo> heh, instead we got ultrabooks :-D
[16:06] <ali1234> yeah... ultrabooks are actually good
[16:07] <ali1234> the AC100 was a mostly empty laptop case with a mobile phone circuit board inside it
[16:07] <popey> the x1 carbon is a very nice machine
[16:07] <Nafallo> still. I really like the idea of running a phone as desktop.
[16:08] <Nafallo> it's something I'd like to take with me :-)
[16:08] <Nafallo> but then, firefox/chrome sync etc...
[16:08] <ali1234> it's a good idea which is impossible with current technology and probably always will be due to the way desktop software constantly expands to consume whatever resources are available to it inside a 80cm x 80cm x 20cm box
[16:08] <daftykins> in what situations do you travel to places where someone has a screen + kb/mouse spare that'd be easier than taking a small netbook/tablet?
[16:09] <Nafallo> mitigates the problem a bit :-)
[16:09] <Nafallo> daftykins: home → work → home
[16:10] <ali1234> yeah that will be fun
[16:10] <daftykins> hrmm
[16:10] <ali1234> you know when you have to struggle to get your laptop to work on a projector?
[16:10] <ali1234> it will be like that every day when you go to work
[16:10] <daftykins> XD
[16:10] <Nafallo> heh
[16:10] <daftykins> plus there's the power issue
[16:10] <Nafallo> unless they nail it ;-)
[16:10] <ali1234> instead of making a cup of tea while you wait for the machine to boot, you'll spend 10 inutes crawling behind the desk looking for the hdmi cable
[16:10] <Nafallo> daftykins: the dock would have power surely?
[16:11] <daftykins> there was a dock? fair enough
[16:11] <Nafallo> ali1234: dock...
[16:11] <daftykins> i did not know that part
[16:11] <ali1234> no, there wasn't a dock with ubuntu edge
[16:11] <daftykins> in fairness you'd leave an HDMI hanging after the first time :D
[16:11] <Nafallo> ehrm. I'm sure I read dock, but maybe I didn't.
[16:11] <ali1234> just a hdmi connector and a mini usb that needs an adapter cable and a hub
[16:11] <Nafallo> well, I would want a dock for it to be useful! :-)
[16:11] <bashrc> Is the edge crowdsouring thing over now?
[16:11] <ali1234> so you pretty much need to carry around a hdmi cable, usb hub, otg cable, power adapter, mouse, keyboard
[16:12] <ali1234> if you're lucky you might find a hdmi TV wherever you are going
[16:12] <ali1234> bashrc: yes, it's over
[16:12] <Nafallo> bashrc: at least the first iteration is. with ~$20m to go.
[16:12] <bashrc> so does that means the edge is go or nogo?
[16:12] <ali1234> it failed
[16:13] <bashrc> ah
[16:13] <Nafallo> bashrc: it has no moneyz ;-)
[16:13] <daftykins> not even half
[16:13] <bashrc> it was a ridiculously ambitious fundraising goal
[16:15] <bashrc> But it still seems likely that there will be UbuntuPhones before long
[16:15] <Nafallo> it is?
[16:16] <daftykins> Shuttleworth's response on the indiegogo site seemed to refer to them going ahead in 2014 anyway
[16:16] <daftykins> whatever form that may be in
[16:17] <Nafallo> haven't seen that
[16:17] <bashrc> It's a no-brainer.  The full GNU/Linux is undoubtedly better than a kernel and a java stack
[16:17] <daftykins> Nafallo: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge?c=activity
[16:17] <ali1234> why?
[16:17] <Nafallo> ehrm. didn't nokia try full linux already? :-)
[16:17] <daftykins> bashrc: that's a rather bold statement
[16:17] <Nafallo> daftykins: cheers
[16:17] <ali1234> android is miles better than maemo ever was
[16:18] <bashrc> Well, for instance you can't easily do development directly on Android
[16:18] <ali1234> why would you even want to?
[16:18] <bashrc> I would want to
[16:18] <bashrc> because I do development
[16:18] <bashrc> and it's kind of cumbersome having to use VMs or emulators
[16:19] <ali1234> you don't need to do that though
[16:19] <ali1234> the reason dev on a phone sucks is because a phone doesn't have a keyboard or a mouse or a big monitor
[16:20] <bashrc> Presumably you would just plug a keyboard in, or use bluetooth or whatever
[16:20] <ali1234> presumably? android already does this
[16:20] <bashrc> yes, you can use keyboards with Android
[16:21] <Nafallo> daftykins: interesting
[16:21] <ali1234> the other reason deving on a phone sucks is because it takes forever to compile anything
[16:21] <ali1234> see above ^
[16:21] <popey> daftykins: we always said we were still making a phone whether the edge panned out or not
[16:21] <bashrc> Probably true, but bound to be less of an issue over time
[16:21] <Nafallo> ali1234: saying there is a reason you run android instead of say... gentoo? ;-)
[16:23] <daftykins> popey: yeah i wasn't really getting at that, just confirming someone elses statement of the same
[16:23] <bigcalm> Anybody here have experience of redis and/or resque? I'm getting an Errno::ENOMEM exception on a job but I have no idea what I can do about it
[16:23] <ali1234> i used to use gentoo actually
[16:23] <ali1234> it was too much work fixing it after every upgrade... so i switched to ubuntu
[16:23] <daftykins> gentoo's a bit masochistic no?
[16:23] <bashrc> Somewhere there is always a Gentoo box compiling
[16:24] <ali1234> yeah, but it's handy for throwing up scratch testing environments
[16:24] <ali1234> as long as you dn't want to use it long term
[16:24] <Nafallo> I had someone advocating using gentoo on servers at a previous job.
[16:24] <Nafallo> that was... *speechless*
[16:24] <ali1234> well, there are worse choices
[16:25] <diddledan_> I'm trying to get our gentoo servers migrated to something sane
[16:25] <bashrc> Why not just use Arch? :-)
[16:25] <Nafallo> - sorry, apache is too busy to serve your request because it's recompiling again!
[16:26] <ali1234> recompiling constantly is pretty much unavoidable if you need to work on the latest code
[16:26] <ali1234> if you wait for it to be packaged, nobody will accept your patches on a version that is 6 months out of date
[16:26] <Nafallo> I prefer to let Canonical recompile constantly ;-)
[16:26] <ali1234> not much good for production though
[16:26] <Nafallo> ppa receipes :-)
[16:27] <Nafallo> not that I use that mysef...
[16:27] <ali1234> yeah, if you have multiple servers you will want some kind of custom repository
[16:28] <ali1234> gentoo isn't great for that... it can be done but it's nowhere near as advanced as dpkg
[17:25] <SuperEngineer> boo!
[17:25] <diddledan> eek
[17:25] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[17:25] <daftykins> phew, diddledan took the brunt of that surprise
[17:26] <diddledan> it's because I'm so well padded
[17:26] <diddledan> i.e. fat
[17:26] <SuperEngineer> [somebody's gotta be the fall guy! -or the padded guy?]
[17:26] <diddledan> :-)
[17:27] <daftykins> i'm loving the irony, there's a user in #ubuntu trying to install a newer version to some computers in a library, yet refuses to read links or research issues.
[17:28] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: thought of putting that on #ubuntu [lol]
[17:31] <daftykins> SuperEngineer: i told the person yeah :)
[18:11] <DJones> I wonder if Steve Ballmer will be investigated for insider trading, he announces he's leaving MS and then sees his investment in MS shares increase in value by $750M
[18:18] <daftykins> DJones: ;)
[18:18] <daftykins> that'll make both Apple and MS run by people i don't sort of recognise as behind the brand
[18:19] <daftykins> the times they are a-chaingin'
[18:19] <daftykins> *changin' too
[18:19] <diddledan> wait, baldhead is leaving microsoft?
[18:20] <daftykins> yip
[18:20] <daftykins> in 12 months
[18:20] <diddledan> wow
[18:20] <diddledan> is he resigning / retiring or is he being pushed?
[18:21] <Nafallo> did he sign on to work for apple or something? ;-)
[18:23] <diddledan> I would expect him to be under a long gardening leave if he wants to go anywhere else
[18:25] <DJones> Would you want somebody who oversaw Windows 8, Windows Phone, Surface tablets etc? I don't think any of those could be called a success story.
[18:25] <DJones> Maybe he's going to work for RIM & head up the Blackberry division
[18:26] <daftykins> XD
[18:26] <Nafallo> maybe nokia to sell windows phones :-P
[18:26] <daftykins> nobody can save that trainwreck
[19:01] <popey> oh I don't know ☻
[19:01] <popey> There's still a lot of good people at Nokia
[19:03] <daftykins> i meant Blackberry
[19:03] <daftykins> as the trainwreck, in case you meant mine
[19:07] <popey> oh, thought you meant Nokia, yeah blackberry is a bit of a lost cause
[19:08] <popey> it's funny how people say there's no room in the market for new mobile phone platforms
[19:08] <popey> yet you look at the current lot utterly screwing things up
[19:08] <daftykins> i don't really feel that they are?
[19:08] <daftykins> how do you mean?
[19:08] <popey> bb and nokia?
[19:08] <daftykins> oh hardware companies
[19:08] <popey> they were/are both software companies too
[19:09] <popey> nokia has more than just windows phones
[19:09] <DJones> My wife has just abandoned her Blackberry and gone back to a 3 year old HTC Desire, she eventually got fed up with it constantly crashing, apps not working & having a pathetic battery life
[19:10] <SirCrispinTheJew> 47,000 of the 120,000 apps for BB are from one developer, apparently.
[19:10] <popey> i met a guy at the pub who is holding out with his HTC Hero
[19:10] <SirCrispinTheJew> 47,000 fart apps, sound boards and website wrappers.
[19:10] <popey> rocking android 2.2 or something
[19:10] <SirCrispinTheJew> The Hero is about 6 months newer than the HTC Desire.
[19:10] <SirCrispinTheJew> I got a Desire in March 2010 - it's still useful as a secondary PAYG phone.
[19:11] <popey> i found the hero very frustrating
[19:11] <popey> music would stutter when a notification comes in
[19:11] <popey> it was a really gutless phone
[19:11] <popey> would probably run firefox os okay tho ㋛
[19:12] <DJones> I've said I'll swap my S3 for the Desire next week once I pick up an N7, 99% of what I use the S3 for will be taken over by the tablet, so all I'll need is something for the occasional phone call
[19:13] <daftykins> :) original vanilla HTC Desire?
[19:14] <DJones> Sorry, Desire HD
[19:14] <daftykins> ah mines the ancient original :D it solely serves alarm clock duty now
[19:14] <DJones> May looks at rooting it though & putting something else on
[19:14] <daftykins> and due to that does over 16 days battery :O
[19:26] <mungbean> i use my htc desire fulltime
[19:26] <mungbean> solid workhorse
[19:28] <mungbean> zinio sent me a $10 voucher to spend on magazine(s) \o/
[19:29] <daftykins> it's stuck on such an outdated android version though
[19:29] <daftykins> and has the major design flaw of only a 150MB /data partition
[19:29] <daftykins> so you can't have more than a handfull of apps
[19:29] <daftykins> modifications can let you get around that and install to the SD card, yes, but my word does it run slowly then
[19:30] <daftykins> so you can either have a phone that delays to the point of tearing your hair out - or no apps and fastish
[19:33] <mungbean> yes, very slow
[19:33] <mungbean> i have that, and the wife is still on regular CM
[19:33] <mungbean> hers flies
[19:42] <SuperEngineer> bfn
[19:42] <DJones> I think I need to do some research to see what I can put on a desire hd and it still be functional
[19:44] <mungbean> desire hd prob has more internal storage
[19:50] <DJones> I did read something that HTC refused to upgrade the HD to jelly bean saying it didn't have enough space, then somebody else released an unofficial port that had about 70Mb free after install
[20:03] <mungbean> whats this about sourceforge and malware?
[20:05] <mungbean> http://www.gluster.org/2013/08/how-far-the-once-mighty-sourceforge-has-fallen/
[20:07] <mungbean> ah, emotive language. its not malware per se but crapware laden installers
[20:28] <daftykins> DJones: if it has less than 1GB RAM, don't try and run 4.0+
[20:28] <daftykins> that's the main rule i live by
[20:56] <popey> \o/ more ebay auctions finishing
[21:29] <popey> hmm, macbook pro seems unwell
[21:29] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6019337/
[21:29] <popey> graphical corruption
[21:34] <popey> suspect overheating
[21:43] <daftykins> popey: have you got one of the AMD graphics based ones that the recall just started on? 2011 model i think
[21:43] <daftykins> i'm guessing 'NVDA' == no :D
[22:10] <hamitron> grrrr
[22:10] <hamitron> is there a trick to open "Update Manager"?
[22:10] <diddledan> hamitron, close it first
[22:10] <diddledan> then open it manually
[22:10] <hamitron> nice one, ty
[22:11] <hamitron> that has been annoying me for months
[22:11] <hamitron> haha
[22:11] <hamitron> but didn't wanna ask such a simple question
[22:11] <hamitron> ;)
[22:11] <daftykins> is that when it opens on the dock/bar/something ?
[22:11] <diddledan> yeah, I've seen bug reports of similar issues but none actually on this issue - we were talking about it in here the other day
[22:11] <daftykins> sorta minimised?
[22:12] <hamitron> daftykins, yeh
[22:12] <hamitron> auto starts like that
[22:12] <daftykins> how quirky
[22:12] <daftykins> well, to be stuck, i mean
[22:13] <hamitron> I've been meaning to slim down my install and remove it
 erm. itunes is being funky: "your itunes library is now available in icloud. no songs are available in icloud."
[22:14] <hamitron> but it is just too easy to never bother and struggle on
[22:46]  * popey blames chrome
[22:46] <popey> reinstalled chrome, wiped chrome profile, not crashed since