| Kilos | morning nlsthzn and others | 05:15 |
|---|---|---|
| Kilos | channel looks poor this morning. even mages quassel is dead | 05:16 |
| nlsthzn | alo uncle Kilos ... your up early :) | 05:19 |
| Kilos | ya | 05:20 |
| Kilos | morning Superhuman | 06:15 |
| Superhuman | morning Kilos | 06:20 |
| Kilos | morning superfly | 06:30 |
| superfly | morning Kilos | 06:35 |
| superfly | morning Superhuman, nlsthzn | 06:35 |
| nlsthzn | top of the morning to you superfly | 06:43 |
| nlsthzn | and Superhuman | 06:43 |
| barrydk | Good morning everyone | 06:57 |
| Maaz | barrydk: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell barrydk http://www.amazon.com/Booster-repeater-Amplifier-Omni-directional-Accessories/dp/B00ABUVN82" 13 hours, 29 minutes and 3 seconds ago | 06:57 |
| Kilos | hi barrydk | 07:01 |
| barrydk | Hi Kilos Was checking that antena site. How are you this morning? | 07:18 |
| Kilos | good ty and you | 07:19 |
| barrydk | no new problems ty | 07:19 |
| Kilos | if you see full signal on an 8ta cell you might not need to add external antenna | 07:19 |
| Squirm | morning | 07:20 |
| Kilos | hi Squirm | 07:20 |
| barrydk | hi Squirm | 07:20 |
| Kilos | im reading serious stuff | 07:20 |
| barrydk | sound dangerous | 07:20 |
| Kilos | bash dash rbash crash | 07:20 |
| barrydk | now you scare me | 07:21 |
| Squirm | Kilos: are those different shells? | 07:21 |
| Kilos | lol | 07:21 |
| Kilos | only crash was added because it rhymes | 07:21 |
| barrydk | don't like the crash one | 07:21 |
| Kilos | im reading bash beginners guide | 07:22 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | mornings | 07:22 |
| Kilos | hi ThatGraemeGuy | 07:22 |
| barrydk | Hi ThatGraemeGuy | 07:22 |
| Kilos | ty for that link | 07:22 |
| Kilos | got lotsa books | 07:22 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | no problemo | 07:22 |
| Squirm | Kilos: man bash | 07:23 |
| Squirm | from the command line :P | 07:23 |
| Squirm | you'll be reading forever | 07:23 |
| Kilos | man and me arent friends | 07:23 |
| Kilos | the pro is always telling me man this and that | 07:23 |
| Squirm | just have a look at how expensive it is | 07:23 |
| Squirm | yeah, I've gotten used to man | 07:24 |
| Squirm | it helps a lot | 07:24 |
| Kilos | im still learning how to understand | 07:24 |
| Kilos | when they give all that bracket stuff im lost | 07:24 |
| Squirm | [] are optionaly | 07:25 |
| Squirm | optional | 07:25 |
| Squirm | Kilos: what do you want to do with bash? | 07:25 |
| Squirm | I'd rather learn something like python first, bash is more complicated if you want to use it for scripting | 07:25 |
| Kilos | we are gonna learn python sometime Squirm but the pro said start with bash | 07:26 |
| Squirm | hmm | 07:26 |
| Kilos | you dont know about the classes we gonna have?? | 07:26 |
| Squirm | bash was the last thing I looked at. Only becuase python doesn't run on the machine I had | 07:26 |
| Squirm | and no | 07:26 |
| Kilos | the mage is organising classes on #linux-studies and we were gonna do python | 07:27 |
| Kilos | but pro said we need a good basic understanding on bash and some other stuff first | 07:28 |
| * Squirm shrugs | 07:28 | |
| Squirm | I don't like bash programming | 07:29 |
| Squirm | and will only use it for smaller automation scripts | 07:29 |
| Kilos | but you understand it | 07:30 |
| Kilos | thats the thing | 07:30 |
| Squirm | umm, I don't even know that - like I said, it was the last thing I looked at | 07:30 |
| Kilos | i even battled to use idle | 07:31 |
| Kilos | but got past that some now | 07:31 |
| Squirm | idle? | 07:31 |
| Kilos | idle is actually lekker | 07:31 |
| Kilos | the python scripting thing | 07:32 |
| Kilos | in the repos | 07:32 |
| Squirm | ah | 07:32 |
| Squirm | gedit is quite nice if you're on Ubuntu | 07:32 |
| Kilos | yeah i use gedit and nano | 07:32 |
| Kilos | i like nano | 07:32 |
| Squirm | I used to use nano | 07:33 |
| Squirm | I prefer vim now | 07:33 |
| Kilos | na vim is too much more for me to member | 07:33 |
| Kilos | idle is lekker | 07:33 |
| Kilos | can use the mouse | 07:33 |
| Kilos | hehe | 07:33 |
| Squirm | I just use the basic stuff | 07:33 |
| Squirm | I use gedit for writing code | 07:34 |
| Squirm | syntax hilighting | 07:34 |
| Squirm | highlighting | 07:34 |
| Kilos | look at idle though its good to know the extra tools available | 07:36 |
| Kilos | lo drussell | 08:41 |
| drussell | Kilos: howdy! | 08:46 |
| charl | good morning all | 09:13 |
| charl | Maaz: coffee on | 09:13 |
| * Maaz flips the salt-timer | 09:13 | |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charl! | 09:17 |
| charl | Maaz: thanks | 09:21 |
| Maaz | charl: Okay :-) | 09:21 |
| Kilos | yo charl | 09:22 |
| charl | hi Kilos | 09:22 |
| charl | how's it going | 09:22 |
| Kilos | good ty and you | 09:22 |
| charl | good | 09:23 |
| Kilos | hi tinuva | 09:36 |
| Kilos | welcome to ubuntu-za | 09:36 |
| charl | hi tinuva | 09:40 |
| Kilos | hey charl when i use a command like sudo iftop -i ppp0 is that -i what makes it interactive with 3g | 09:50 |
| Kilos | and sudo -i makes you iteractive with root? | 09:52 |
| Kilos | interactive | 09:52 |
| tinuva | interactive is the wrong word | 09:54 |
| tinuva | iftop -i ppp0 = use interface ppp0, whether that is your 3g or another dial-up interface | 09:54 |
| tinuva | sudo -i = initiate login, as if the user is logging in, very rarely see anyone use this | 09:54 |
| tinuva | sudo iftop -i means the -i flag is only passed to iftop though | 09:55 |
| Kilos | whew you a boff tinuva | 09:57 |
| Kilos | ty for the info | 09:57 |
| Squirm | iftop is a wonderful tool | 10:15 |
| Squirm | especially on a big network - I can look at who's using up all our bandwidth :P | 10:15 |
| tinuva | nethogs > iftop if you need to find which application is using up bw on a server :P | 10:16 |
| tinuva | and iftop falls over once you get to 400Mbps | 10:16 |
| Kilos | i use it to see how much im using when data gets tight | 10:17 |
| Kilos | hehe | 10:17 |
| Kilos | but if you run 2 pcs through a router with 3g connection then do you have to run iftop from both pcs or will one iftop watch everything | 10:19 |
| Kilos | i ask because iftop then uses the eth connection | 10:20 |
| tinuva | both, unless you use a linux machine to share the connection | 10:21 |
| tinuva | then run it on the machine that shares the connection | 10:21 |
| Kilos | the 3g connects on the router and both pcs with eth connection | 10:21 |
| Kilos | so will need iftop on both methinks | 10:23 |
| tinuva | yeah | 10:23 |
| Kilos | ty | 10:28 |
| Kilos | tinuva: we are having our monthly meeting here monday evening, are you attending? | 10:30 |
| Kilos | and you ThatGraemeGuy | 10:31 |
| Kilos | so we can have an official congrats | 10:31 |
| tinuva | uh dno, monday evenings I have dance class | 10:33 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | unlikely, you ought to know by now :P | 10:33 |
| Kilos | ya ThatGraemeGuy was hoping thats all | 10:33 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | :) | 10:34 |
| Kilos | hehe | 10:34 |
| Kilos | like the quick visit last night | 10:34 |
| charl | hi sorry i was away | 12:40 |
| charl | Kilos: i see tinuva already answered you on that | 12:40 |
| Kilos | yeah | 12:41 |
| charl | what is the best, iftop or iptraf ? | 12:41 |
| charl | i normally use iptraf | 12:41 |
| Kilos | i like iftop especially when im near the end of a bundle half way through the month | 12:42 |
| Kilos | ive never looked at iftraf | 12:42 |
| Kilos | iftop you can see which links are eating the data | 12:42 |
| charl | am trying it now, but i think iptraf is better | 12:43 |
| charl | you also get a nice separation between tcp connections and udp | 12:43 |
| Kilos | ? | 12:43 |
| Kilos | hehe i started using iftop when i only had like 50m a month to play with | 12:45 |
| Kilos | now its a habit app | 12:46 |
| charl | yeah iptraf is much more powerful than iftop, iftop seems to be really basic | 12:46 |
| charl | yeah why not, it's nice to see what is going on | 12:46 |
| Kilos | basic is good for me man | 12:47 |
| charl | no i mean iptraf gives you a much better overview | 12:47 |
| charl | iftop is "simplistic" | 12:47 |
| Kilos | this bash stuff is popping nogin | 12:47 |
| Kilos | i dunno if i have to get to know all this if ill ever get to python | 12:48 |
| Kilos | its like having to learn sanscrit or hiroglyphics before you allowed to learn english | 12:49 |
| tinuva | the simplicity from iftop is what i like | 12:49 |
| Kilos | excuse the spelling | 12:50 |
| Kilos | Maaz: spell hyrogliphics | 12:50 |
| Maaz | Kilos: That doesn't seem correct, but I can't find anything to suggest | 12:50 |
| Kilos | lol | 12:50 |
| Kilos | tinuva: you do languages as well? | 12:52 |
| tinuva | Kilos, i do everything | 12:53 |
| Kilos | hi magespawn your net been sick? | 12:53 |
| magespawn | afternoon all | 12:53 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 12:53 |
| magespawn | yup looks like it Kilos | 12:53 |
| Kilos | is it just the nick i dont recognise | 12:54 |
| Kilos | konversation looks empty when theres no magespawn showing | 12:54 |
| magespawn | no for some reason i am at the top | 12:55 |
| Kilos | na here you after maaz | 12:55 |
| magespawn | maybe just my view then | 12:56 |
| Kilos | you on mobile? | 12:56 |
| magespawn | yes | 12:57 |
| Kilos | ah the shops net has crashed them | 12:57 |
| magespawn | but on the shops network | 12:57 |
| Kilos | oh then its quassel? | 12:58 |
| magespawn | for sur3 | 12:58 |
| magespawn | sure | 12:58 |
| Kilos | again | 12:58 |
| barrydk | Enjoy the weekend everyone | 12:58 |
| Kilos | you too barr | 12:58 |
| Kilos | ai! | 12:58 |
| Kilos | hi Cantide | 13:40 |
| Cantide | hi Kilos :) | 13:40 |
| Kilos- | ai! | 13:48 |
| Kilos | eish sister nearly had her car stolen now | 14:04 |
| Kilos | car gaurds caught the skelms trying to push start it out of the parking | 14:04 |
| Kilos | and pc started the auto reboot thing again | 14:05 |
| Kilos | grrr | 14:05 |
| magespawn | *guard | 14:06 |
| magespawn | is she okay Kilos | 14:06 |
| magespawn | ? | 14:06 |
| Kilos | yeah she came out the shop to find them with cops already there | 14:07 |
| Kilos | but now cops got the car for printing etc | 14:07 |
| Kilos | 2nd time and it new windows and ignition and whatever else messed up to replace | 14:08 |
| Kilos | sigh | 14:08 |
| Kilos | an old uno | 14:08 |
| Kilos | grrr | 14:08 |
| magespawn | hectic | 14:08 |
| Kilos | stay in hluhluwe | 14:09 |
| magespawn | maybe the uno is easy to steal | 14:10 |
| Kilos | and she supposed to take her daughter to airport sunday to fly to south west for 2 years work permit | 14:11 |
| Kilos | hers has a kill switch added and hidden and another switch that allows the starter to work thats why they were pushing | 14:12 |
| magespawn | idiots | 14:13 |
| Cantide | someone in my street has his car stolen last night - the unbolted his driveway gate and removed it o_O | 14:14 |
| Cantide | had his * | 14:14 |
| Kilos | ai! | 14:15 |
| Kilos | we need the death penalty brought back | 14:15 |
| Cantide | yeah :/ | 14:15 |
| Cantide | a bit harsh for car thieves | 14:16 |
| Cantide | but yeah, we need it for more serious crimes | 14:16 |
| confluency | That's debatable. | 14:17 |
| Kilos | no if you think of it, there are peeps that dont have insurance or like me my car was all i had | 14:17 |
| Kilos | so that car theft ruins the owners life | 14:17 |
| Cantide | hmm | 14:17 |
| Cantide | true that | 14:17 |
| Cantide | i guess if we get the death penalty only for serious crimes, then those will decrease and less serious crimes will increase | 14:18 |
| Cantide | maybe.. | 14:18 |
| Kilos | hehe3 | 14:18 |
| confluency | The death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent. | 14:18 |
| Cantide | my comment's actually a little poorly thought out :D | 14:18 |
| Cantide | yeah | 14:18 |
| confluency | I don't think there's any place for it in a civilised society, and we are well rid of it. | 14:18 |
| Kilos | no but it saves taxes for feeding the criminals and courts | 14:19 |
| Cantide | lol | 14:19 |
| Cantide | i second that | 14:19 |
| Cantide | government really needs to put effort in to fixing our society and education | 14:19 |
| Cantide | that's where it all starts | 14:19 |
| confluency | Care and feeding of prisoners is a small price to pay for not being murderers. No matter how horrible the prisoners are. | 14:19 |
| Cantide | not when our prisons are overcrowded and murderers walk freee | 14:20 |
| Cantide | if we had the resources, sure | 14:20 |
| confluency | Killing them is not a very good solution to that. | 14:20 |
| Cantide | not a good one, but i think it's a start | 14:20 |
| confluency | Not killing people is not a luxury; it's a necessity. | 14:21 |
| Cantide | hmm | 14:21 |
| Kilos | actually better to cut off hands | 14:21 |
| Cantide | most crims reoffend when released | 14:21 |
| magespawn | if we are going to keep them, feed them etc, they could at least work for it | 14:21 |
| Cantide | haha | 14:21 |
| Cantide | labour camps? | 14:21 |
| Cantide | we could have some prison mines :p | 14:22 |
| confluency | There are some powers that no government should ever have, and ordering people to be killed or maimed is one of them. | 14:22 |
| Cantide | okay, i agree with that, confluency | 14:22 |
| Cantide | our government would certainly misuse that power | 14:22 |
| confluency | It's not just misuse; it is fundamentally a power nobody should ever have. It's abhorrent. | 14:22 |
| magespawn | something like that, but productive work, not stupid things like moving piles of rocks | 14:23 |
| confluency | Sure, pirisoners should have jobs. But not because we should make them work to punish them; because that will actually give them employable skills and make it less likely that they will reoffend. | 14:24 |
| confluency | Prisons should not be hellholes where criminals turn into worse criminals. | 14:24 |
| Kilos | yeah | 14:24 |
| magespawn | indeed | 14:24 |
| Cantide | totally agree | 14:24 |
| Cantide | but our government is useless, once again | 14:25 |
| confluency | This is an international problem. The US, for example, is not much better. | 14:25 |
| magespawn | also if society is going to support them they can earn their keep, no free passes | 14:25 |
| Cantide | if you're stuck with a bunch of bad people, it's not surprising | 14:25 |
| Cantide | tough topic :D | 14:26 |
| magespawn | but what about the psycopaths? (spelling?), what do you do with them? | 14:27 |
| Cantide | ah well, time for some coffee | 14:27 |
| Cantide | psychopaths * | 14:27 |
| confluency | You put them in a mental hospital. Why would you put them in a prison? | 14:27 |
| magespawn | Kilos: are you on the dlug list? anybody else? | 14:38 |
| magespawn | confluency: indeed, i sometimes wonder at the conditions in those hospitals | 14:41 |
| Kilos | magespawn: the durbs linux peeps? | 14:46 |
| magespawn | yes | 14:46 |
| Kilos | i dont have their addy i think | 14:46 |
| Kilos | only on their g+ thing i never use anyway | 14:47 |
| Kilos | tinuva: may we ask where you are? | 14:47 |
| Kilos | and what you do? | 14:48 |
| tinuva | work at small isp, in cape town | 14:48 |
| Kilos | ah anothewr one down there | 14:48 |
| Kilos | another as well | 14:48 |
| Kilos | magespawn: you got the addy? | 14:49 |
| magespawn | yes | 14:50 |
| magespawn | hold on a sec | 14:51 |
| Kilos | ty | 14:52 |
| inetpro | tinuva: thanks for introducing me to nethogs | 14:54 |
| magespawn | i have to get the fish home, i will get it when i get home | 14:54 |
| tinuva | inetpro, pleasure :) | 14:54 |
| * inetpro always had that on a list of nice to haves to research | 14:55 | |
| magespawn | nethogs? | 14:55 |
| magespawn | bbl home time | 14:56 |
| inetpro | magespawn: yes, very useful net top tool grouping bandwidth per process | 14:56 |
| Kilos | np magespawn | 14:56 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 14:57 |
| inetpro | charl: if you know iftop's keyboard shortcuts it beats iptraf in some areas | 14:57 |
| inetpro | run it and press ? | 14:58 |
| tinuva | iftop is faster to get the top hog dst/src ips | 14:59 |
| tinuva | can also faster switch between in/out | 14:59 |
| * inetpro agrees with tinuva | 14:59 | |
| tinuva | faster to disable/enable showing ports | 14:59 |
| inetpro | can't live without iftop | 14:59 |
| tinuva | all with keyboard shortcuts | 14:59 |
| tinuva | iptraf has a more static display | 14:59 |
| tinuva | in a way | 14:59 |
| tinuva | but i find it hard to properly sort the data | 15:00 |
| tinuva | its great that it shows a tcpdump with it though | 15:00 |
| tinuva | but then again, if that is what i want, better to use tcpdump | 15:00 |
| tinuva | anyways, home time | 15:01 |
| tinuva | bye | 15:01 |
| Kilos | go well | 15:01 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 15:02 |
| inetpro | superfly: you upgraded to Kubuntu 13.10 already? | 15:03 |
| Kilos | hi Vince-0 | 15:27 |
| Vince-0 | hi | 15:29 |
| superfly | inetpro: yes | 16:16 |
| magedroid | Hey Kilos | 16:28 |
| Kilos | hi mage | 16:28 |
| Kilos | ai! | 16:28 |
| magedroid | I can't connect through to my quassel | 16:29 |
| Kilos | why didnt you fix your quassel | 16:29 |
| Kilos | lol | 16:29 |
| Kilos | i see you the droid | 16:29 |
| Kilos | haha | 16:29 |
| magedroid | Nothing broken there, but it looks like the dynamic dns did not update | 16:30 |
| magedroid | I am not the droid you are looking for | 16:30 |
| Kilos | ok no rush | 16:30 |
| Kilos | why did you ask if i joined their list anyway | 16:30 |
| Kilos | do they mail interesting stuffs | 16:31 |
| magedroid | I got a mail today about lpc 101, and a training site that one of the list members have set up | 16:40 |
| Kilos | aha | 16:41 |
| Kilos | Vince-0: may i join the dlug list? | 16:41 |
| Kilos | lpi magespawn ? | 16:41 |
| Kilos | this possible completions thing catches me | 16:42 |
| Kilos | gotta type 4 letters of the nick | 16:42 |
| magedroid | Lpi thats it | 16:50 |
| Kilos | what about the bash stuff and python | 17:00 |
| magedroid | We are going to do that, this is just extra resources | 17:02 |
| Kilos | aha but you mustnt neglect your other studies hey | 17:02 |
| magedroid | Indeed thats why only one night a week | 17:03 |
| Kilos | ill look at the lpi manual again, but dunno if im gonna get all this in head | 17:07 |
| Kilos | all this new stuff, operaters and operands and much more | 17:07 |
| Kilos | but writing the lpi exam can only help you | 17:08 |
| magedroid | Lots to learn, keeps the brain working | 17:08 |
| Vince-0 | Kilos: ! you haven't? | 17:20 |
| Kilos | i dunno Vince-0 | 17:21 |
| Kilos | couldnt have or i would surely have seen some | 17:22 |
| Kilos | hehe starnge minds of smilyborg | 17:35 |
| Kilos | strange | 17:35 |
| Kilos | multiple personality peep | 17:39 |
| Kilos | i only got one mind | 17:39 |
| Kilos | night all of ya. sleep tight | 18:01 |
| Kilos | Maaz: night | 18:01 |
| Maaz | Cheers Kilos | 18:01 |
| inetpro | hmm... | 18:22 |
| inetpro | superfly: anything worthwhile that changed? | 18:22 |
| magedroid | Night all | 18:51 |
| superfly | inetpro: I don't know, I've used it for a sum total of about an hour so far | 23:56 |
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