[05:15] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn and others
[05:16] <Kilos> channel looks poor this morning. even mages quassel is dead
[05:19] <nlsthzn> alo uncle Kilos ... your up early :)
[05:20] <Kilos> ya
[06:15] <Kilos> morning Superhuman 
[06:20] <Superhuman> morning Kilos
[06:30] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[06:35] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:35] <superfly> morning Superhuman, nlsthzn
[06:43] <nlsthzn> top of the morning to you superfly 
[06:43] <nlsthzn> and Superhuman 
[06:57] <barrydk> Good morning everyone
[06:57] <Maaz> barrydk: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell barrydk http://www.amazon.com/Booster-repeater-Amplifier-Omni-directional-Accessories/dp/B00ABUVN82" 13 hours, 29 minutes and 3 seconds ago
[07:01] <Kilos> hi barrydk 
[07:18] <barrydk> Hi Kilos  Was checking that antena site. How are you this morning?
[07:19] <Kilos> good ty and you
[07:19] <barrydk> no new problems ty
[07:19] <Kilos> if you see full signal on an 8ta cell you might not need to add external antenna
[07:20] <Squirm> morning
[07:20] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[07:20] <barrydk> hi Squirm 
[07:20] <Kilos> im reading serious stuff
[07:20] <barrydk> sound dangerous
[07:20] <Kilos> bash dash rbash crash
[07:21] <barrydk> now you scare me
[07:21] <Squirm> Kilos: are those different shells?
[07:21] <Kilos> lol
[07:21] <Kilos> only crash was added because it rhymes
[07:21] <barrydk> don't like the crash one
[07:22] <Kilos> im reading bash beginners guide
[07:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[07:22] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:22] <barrydk> Hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:22] <Kilos> ty for that link
[07:22] <Kilos> got lotsa books
[07:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> no problemo
[07:23] <Squirm> Kilos: man bash
[07:23] <Squirm> from the command line :P
[07:23] <Squirm> you'll be reading forever
[07:23] <Kilos> man and me arent friends
[07:23] <Kilos> the pro is always telling me man this and that
[07:23] <Squirm> just have a look at how expensive it is
[07:24] <Squirm> yeah, I've gotten used to man
[07:24] <Squirm> it helps a lot
[07:24] <Kilos> im still learning how to understand
[07:24] <Kilos> when they give all that bracket stuff im lost
[07:25] <Squirm> [] are optionaly
[07:25] <Squirm> optional
[07:25] <Squirm> Kilos: what do you want to do with bash?
[07:25] <Squirm> I'd rather learn something like python first, bash is more complicated if you want to use it for scripting
[07:26] <Kilos> we are gonna learn python sometime Squirm but the pro said start with bash
[07:26] <Squirm> hmm
[07:26] <Kilos> you dont know about the classes we gonna have??
[07:26] <Squirm> bash was the last thing I looked at. Only becuase python doesn't run on the machine I had
[07:26] <Squirm> and no
[07:27] <Kilos> the mage is organising classes on #linux-studies and we were gonna do python
[07:28] <Kilos> but pro said we need a good basic understanding on bash and some other stuff first
[07:28]  * Squirm shrugs
[07:29] <Squirm> I don't like bash programming
[07:29] <Squirm> and will only use it for smaller automation scripts
[07:30] <Kilos> but you understand it
[07:30] <Kilos> thats the thing
[07:30] <Squirm> umm, I don't even know that - like I said, it was the last thing I looked at
[07:31] <Kilos> i even battled to use idle
[07:31] <Kilos> but got past that some now
[07:31] <Squirm> idle?
[07:31] <Kilos> idle is actually lekker
[07:32] <Kilos> the python scripting thing
[07:32] <Kilos> in the repos
[07:32] <Squirm> ah
[07:32] <Squirm> gedit is quite nice if you're on Ubuntu
[07:32] <Kilos> yeah i use gedit and nano
[07:32] <Kilos> i like nano
[07:33] <Squirm> I used to use nano
[07:33] <Squirm> I prefer vim now
[07:33] <Kilos> na vim is too much more for me to member
[07:33] <Kilos> idle is lekker
[07:33] <Kilos> can use the mouse
[07:33] <Kilos> hehe
[07:33] <Squirm> I just use the basic stuff
[07:34] <Squirm> I use gedit for writing code
[07:34] <Squirm> syntax hilighting
[07:34] <Squirm> highlighting
[07:36] <Kilos> look at idle though its good to know the extra tools available
[08:41] <Kilos> lo drussell 
[08:46] <drussell> Kilos: howdy!
[09:13] <charl> good morning all
[09:13] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[09:13]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[09:17] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[09:21] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[09:21] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[09:22] <Kilos> yo charl 
[09:22] <charl> hi Kilos 
[09:22] <charl> how's it going
[09:22] <Kilos> good ty and you
[09:23] <charl> good
[09:36] <Kilos> hi tinuva 
[09:36] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[09:40] <charl> hi tinuva 
[09:50] <Kilos> hey charl when i use a command like sudo iftop -i ppp0 is that -i what makes it interactive with 3g
[09:52] <Kilos> and sudo -i makes you iteractive with root?
[09:52] <Kilos> interactive
[09:54] <tinuva> interactive is the wrong word
[09:54] <tinuva> iftop -i ppp0 = use interface ppp0, whether that is your 3g or another dial-up interface
[09:54] <tinuva> sudo -i = initiate login, as if the user is logging in, very rarely see anyone use this
[09:55] <tinuva> sudo iftop -i means the -i flag is only passed to iftop though
[09:57] <Kilos> whew you a boff tinuva 
[09:57] <Kilos> ty for the info
[10:15] <Squirm> iftop is a wonderful tool
[10:15] <Squirm> especially on a big network - I can look at who's using up all our bandwidth :P
[10:16] <tinuva> nethogs > iftop if you need to find which application is using up bw on a server :P
[10:16] <tinuva> and iftop falls over once you get to 400Mbps
[10:17] <Kilos> i use it to see how much im using when data gets tight
[10:17] <Kilos> hehe
[10:19] <Kilos> but if you run 2 pcs through a router with 3g connection then do you have to run iftop from both pcs or will one iftop watch everything
[10:20] <Kilos> i ask because iftop then uses the eth connection
[10:21] <tinuva> both, unless you use a linux machine to share the connection
[10:21] <tinuva> then run it on the machine that shares the connection
[10:21] <Kilos> the 3g connects on the router and both pcs with eth connection
[10:23] <Kilos> so will need iftop on both methinks
[10:23] <tinuva> yeah
[10:28] <Kilos> ty
[10:30] <Kilos> tinuva: we are having our monthly meeting here monday evening, are you attending?
[10:31] <Kilos> and you ThatGraemeGuy 
[10:31] <Kilos> so we can have an official congrats
[10:33] <tinuva> uh dno, monday evenings I have dance class
[10:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> unlikely, you ought to know by now :P
[10:33] <Kilos> ya ThatGraemeGuy was hoping thats all
[10:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> :)
[10:34] <Kilos> hehe
[10:34] <Kilos> like the quick visit last night
[12:40] <charl> hi sorry i was away
[12:40] <charl> Kilos: i see tinuva already answered you on that
[12:41] <Kilos> yeah
[12:41] <charl> what is the best, iftop or iptraf ?
[12:41] <charl> i normally use iptraf
[12:42] <Kilos> i like iftop especially when im near the end of a bundle half way through the month
[12:42] <Kilos> ive never looked at iftraf
[12:42] <Kilos> iftop you can see which links are eating the data
[12:43] <charl> am trying it now, but i think iptraf is better
[12:43] <charl> you also get a nice separation between tcp connections and udp
[12:43] <Kilos> ?
[12:45] <Kilos> hehe i started using iftop when i only had like 50m a month to play with
[12:46] <Kilos> now its a habit app
[12:46] <charl> yeah iptraf is much more powerful than iftop, iftop seems to be really basic
[12:46] <charl> yeah why not, it's nice to see what is going on
[12:47] <Kilos> basic is good for me man
[12:47] <charl> no i mean iptraf gives you a much better overview
[12:47] <charl> iftop is "simplistic"
[12:47] <Kilos> this bash stuff is popping nogin
[12:48] <Kilos> i dunno if i have to get to know all this if ill ever get to python
[12:49] <Kilos> its like having to learn sanscrit or hiroglyphics before you allowed to learn english
[12:49] <tinuva> the simplicity from iftop is what i like
[12:50] <Kilos> excuse the spelling
[12:50] <Kilos> Maaz: spell hyrogliphics
[12:50] <Maaz> Kilos: That doesn't seem correct, but I can't find anything to suggest
[12:50] <Kilos> lol
[12:52] <Kilos> tinuva: you do languages as well?
[12:53] <tinuva> Kilos, i do everything
[12:53] <Kilos> hi magespawn your net been sick?
[12:53] <magespawn> afternoon all
[12:53] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:53] <magespawn> yup looks like it Kilos 
[12:54] <Kilos> is it just the nick i dont recognise
[12:54] <Kilos> konversation looks empty when theres no magespawn showing
[12:55] <magespawn> no for some reason i am at the top
[12:55] <Kilos> na here you after maaz
[12:56] <magespawn> maybe just my view then
[12:56] <Kilos> you on mobile?
[12:57] <magespawn> yes 
[12:57] <Kilos> ah the shops net has crashed them
[12:57] <magespawn> but on the shops network
[12:58] <Kilos> oh then its quassel?
[12:58] <magespawn> for sur3
[12:58] <magespawn> sure
[12:58] <Kilos> again
[12:58] <barrydk> Enjoy the weekend everyone
[12:58] <Kilos> you too barr
[12:58] <Kilos> ai!
[13:40] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[13:40] <Cantide> hi Kilos :)
[13:48] <Kilos-> ai!
[14:04] <Kilos> eish sister nearly had her car stolen now
[14:04] <Kilos> car gaurds caught the skelms trying to push start it out of the parking
[14:05] <Kilos> and pc started the auto reboot thing again
[14:05] <Kilos> grrr
[14:06] <magespawn> *guard
[14:06] <magespawn> is she okay Kilos 
[14:06] <magespawn> ?
[14:07] <Kilos> yeah she came out the shop to find them with cops already there
[14:07] <Kilos> but now cops got the car for printing etc
[14:08] <Kilos> 2nd time and it new windows and ignition and whatever else messed up to replace
[14:08] <Kilos> sigh
[14:08] <Kilos> an old uno 
[14:08] <Kilos> grrr
[14:08] <magespawn> hectic
[14:09] <Kilos> stay in hluhluwe
[14:10] <magespawn> maybe the uno is easy to steal
[14:11] <Kilos> and she supposed to take her daughter to airport sunday to fly to south west for 2 years work permit
[14:12] <Kilos> hers has a kill switch added and hidden and another switch that allows the starter to work thats why they were pushing
[14:13] <magespawn> idiots
[14:14] <Cantide> someone in my street has his car stolen last night - the unbolted his driveway gate and removed it o_O
[14:14] <Cantide> had his *
[14:15] <Kilos> ai!
[14:15] <Kilos> we need the death penalty brought back
[14:15] <Cantide> yeah :/
[14:16] <Cantide> a bit harsh for car thieves
[14:16] <Cantide> but yeah, we need it for more serious crimes
[14:17] <confluency> That's debatable.
[14:17] <Kilos> no if you think of it, there are peeps that dont have insurance or like me my car was all i had
[14:17] <Kilos> so that car theft ruins the owners life
[14:17] <Cantide> hmm
[14:17] <Cantide> true that
[14:18] <Cantide> i guess if we get the death penalty only for serious crimes, then those will decrease and less serious crimes will increase
[14:18] <Cantide> maybe..
[14:18] <Kilos> hehe3
[14:18] <confluency> The death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent.
[14:18] <Cantide> my comment's actually a little poorly thought out :D
[14:18] <Cantide> yeah
[14:18] <confluency> I don't think there's any place for it in a civilised society, and we are well rid of it.
[14:19] <Kilos> no but it saves taxes for feeding the criminals and courts
[14:19] <Cantide> lol
[14:19] <Cantide> i second that
[14:19] <Cantide> government really needs to put effort in to fixing our society and education
[14:19] <Cantide> that's where it all starts
[14:19] <confluency> Care and feeding of prisoners is a small price to pay for not being murderers. No matter how horrible the prisoners are.
[14:20] <Cantide> not when our prisons are overcrowded and murderers walk freee
[14:20] <Cantide> if we had the resources, sure
[14:20] <confluency> Killing them is not a very good solution to that.
[14:20] <Cantide> not a good one, but i think it's a start
[14:21] <confluency> Not killing people is not a luxury; it's a necessity.
[14:21] <Cantide> hmm
[14:21] <Kilos> actually better to cut off hands
[14:21] <Cantide> most crims reoffend when released
[14:21] <magespawn> if we are going to keep them, feed them etc, they could at least work for it
[14:21] <Cantide> haha
[14:21] <Cantide> labour camps?
[14:22] <Cantide> we could have some prison mines :p
[14:22] <confluency> There are some powers that no government should ever have, and ordering people to be killed or maimed is one of them.
[14:22] <Cantide> okay, i agree with that, confluency
[14:22] <Cantide> our government would certainly misuse that power
[14:22] <confluency> It's not just misuse; it is fundamentally a power nobody should ever have. It's abhorrent.
[14:23] <magespawn> something like that, but productive work, not stupid things like moving piles of rocks
[14:24] <confluency> Sure, pirisoners should have jobs. But not because we should make them work to punish them; because that will actually give them employable skills and make it less likely that they will reoffend.
[14:24] <confluency> Prisons should not be hellholes where criminals turn into worse criminals.
[14:24] <Kilos> yeah
[14:24] <magespawn> indeed
[14:24] <Cantide> totally agree
[14:25] <Cantide> but our government is useless, once again
[14:25] <confluency> This is an international problem. The US, for example, is not much better.
[14:25] <magespawn> also if society is going to support them they can earn their keep, no free passes
[14:25] <Cantide> if you're stuck with a bunch of bad people, it's not surprising
[14:26] <Cantide> tough topic :D
[14:27] <magespawn> but what about the psycopaths? (spelling?), what do you do with them?
[14:27] <Cantide> ah well, time for some coffee
[14:27] <Cantide> psychopaths *
[14:27] <confluency> You put them in a mental hospital. Why would you put them in a prison?
[14:38] <magespawn> Kilos: are you on the dlug list? anybody else?
[14:41] <magespawn> confluency: indeed, i sometimes wonder at the conditions in those hospitals
[14:46] <Kilos> magespawn: the durbs linux peeps?
[14:46] <magespawn> yes
[14:46] <Kilos> i dont have their addy i think
[14:47] <Kilos> only on their g+ thing i never use anyway
[14:47] <Kilos> tinuva: may we ask where you are?
[14:48] <Kilos> and what you do?
[14:48] <tinuva> work at small isp, in cape town
[14:48] <Kilos> ah anothewr one down there
[14:48] <Kilos> another as well
[14:49] <Kilos> magespawn: you got the addy?
[14:50] <magespawn> yes
[14:51] <magespawn> hold on a sec
[14:52] <Kilos> ty
[14:54] <inetpro> tinuva: thanks for introducing me to nethogs
[14:54] <magespawn> i have to get the fish home, i will get it when i get home
[14:54] <tinuva> inetpro, pleasure :)
[14:55]  * inetpro always had that on a list of nice to haves to research
[14:55] <magespawn> nethogs?
[14:56] <magespawn> bbl home time
[14:56] <inetpro> magespawn: yes, very useful net top tool grouping bandwidth per process
[14:56] <Kilos> np magespawn 
[14:57] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:57] <inetpro> charl: if you know iftop's keyboard shortcuts it beats iptraf in some areas
[14:58] <inetpro> run it and press ?
[14:59] <tinuva> iftop is faster to get the top hog dst/src ips
[14:59] <tinuva> can also faster switch between in/out
[14:59]  * inetpro agrees with tinuva
[14:59] <tinuva> faster to disable/enable showing ports
[14:59] <inetpro> can't live without iftop
[14:59] <tinuva> all with keyboard shortcuts
[14:59] <tinuva> iptraf has a more static display
[14:59] <tinuva> in a way
[15:00] <tinuva> but i find it hard to properly sort the data
[15:00] <tinuva> its great that it shows a tcpdump with it though
[15:00] <tinuva> but then again, if that is what i want, better to use tcpdump
[15:01] <tinuva> anyways, home time
[15:01] <tinuva> bye
[15:01] <Kilos> go well
[15:02] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:03] <inetpro> superfly: you upgraded to Kubuntu 13.10 already?
[15:27] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[15:29] <Vince-0> hi
[16:16] <superfly> inetpro: yes
[16:28] <magedroid> Hey Kilos
[16:28] <Kilos> hi mage
[16:28] <Kilos> ai!
[16:29] <magedroid> I can't connect through to my quassel
[16:29] <Kilos> why didnt you fix your quassel
[16:29] <Kilos> lol
[16:29] <Kilos> i see you the droid
[16:29] <Kilos> haha
[16:30] <magedroid> Nothing broken there, but it looks like the dynamic dns did not update
[16:30] <magedroid> I am not the droid you are looking for
[16:30] <Kilos> ok no rush
[16:30] <Kilos> why did you ask if i joined their list anyway
[16:31] <Kilos> do they mail interesting stuffs
[16:40] <magedroid> I got a mail today about lpc 101, and a training site that one of the list members have set up
[16:41] <Kilos> aha
[16:41] <Kilos> Vince-0: may i join the dlug list?
[16:41] <Kilos> lpi magespawn ?
[16:42] <Kilos> this possible completions thing catches me
[16:42] <Kilos> gotta type 4 letters of the nick
[16:50] <magedroid> Lpi thats it
[17:00] <Kilos> what about the bash stuff and python
[17:02] <magedroid> We are going to do that, this is just extra resources
[17:02] <Kilos> aha but you mustnt neglect your other studies hey
[17:03] <magedroid> Indeed thats why only one night a week
[17:07] <Kilos> ill look at the lpi manual again, but dunno if im gonna get all this in head
[17:07] <Kilos> all this new stuff, operaters and operands and much more
[17:08] <Kilos> but writing the lpi exam can only help you
[17:08] <magedroid> Lots to learn, keeps the brain working
[17:20] <Vince-0> Kilos: ! you haven't?
[17:21] <Kilos> i dunno Vince-0 
[17:22] <Kilos> couldnt have or i would surely have seen some
[17:35] <Kilos> hehe starnge minds of smilyborg
[17:35] <Kilos> strange
[17:39] <Kilos> multiple personality peep
[17:39] <Kilos> i only got one mind
[18:01] <Kilos> night all of ya. sleep tight
[18:01] <Kilos> Maaz: night
[18:01] <Maaz> Cheers Kilos
[18:22] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:22] <inetpro> superfly: anything worthwhile that changed?
[18:51] <magedroid> Night all
[23:56] <superfly> inetpro: I don't know, I've used it for a sum total of about an hour so far