[07:24] <smartboyhw> Hey cub 
[07:24] <smartboyhw> Unfortunately, we still can't release 12.04.3 yet:P
[07:26] <cub> doh
[07:26] <cub> what's holding it back?
[07:26] <cub> and good morning smartboyhw :P
[07:27] <smartboyhw> cub, Wubi.
[07:27] <smartboyhw> And late respins of alternates
[07:27] <smartboyhw> Wubi is seemingly the biggest problem though
[07:27] <cub> but that's not only for US, but affects everyone?
[07:27] <cub> adn wubi schmubi! ;)
[07:27] <smartboyhw> cub, EVERYONE
[07:28] <smartboyhw> That will mean we will have to wait until America wakes up
[07:28] <smartboyhw> Well, we aren't anxious for this release at least:P
[07:28] <Noskcaj> :'(
[07:29] <smartboyhw> Anyways
[07:32]  * cub likes to keep deadlines
[07:33] <smartboyhw> cub, it was extended to Fridays sometimes
[07:51] <cub> smartboyhw, hon the G+ page you replied "After the Xubuntu meeting, the Ubuntu Studio developers have agreed that we are not going to include Mir. Some of the factors are Xubuntu-related I can say, but because we think that Mir is unstable enough. " but I can't see anything in the logs that there was a decision made?
[07:52] <smartboyhw> cub, well, that's at least mine and OvenWerks's idea
[07:52] <smartboyhw> And I think zequence has not objected to that.
[07:52] <cub> Sure, the discussions have pointed to "probably not until 14.10" but I think I have missed any final decision on the issue?
[07:52] <smartboyhw> cub, just look at yesterday's logs (after the meeting for #ubuntustudio-devel)
[07:52] <cub> I did.
[07:52] <smartboyhw> cub, now "probably no until 14.10" is wrong
[07:52] <cub> three times.
[07:54] <smartboyhw> cub, can you clarify the "probably not until 14.10" part?
[07:54] <smartboyhw> In G+
[07:54] <cub> the 14.10 comment is not on G+, it is my conclusion from the discussion that have been made here in the channel.
[07:54] <smartboyhw> cub, OvenWerks	For those who didn't see, xubuntu will not run xMIR for 13.10	15:38
[07:54] <smartboyhw> smartboyhw	So we won't.	15:39
[07:54] <smartboyhw> knome	smartboyhw, you can if you want.	15:39
[07:54] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks	knome: we will probably lag behind xubuntu.	15:39
[07:54] <smartboyhw> knome	sure, but please realize that you're not locked with X with our decision :)	15:41
[07:54] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks	however, we will be doing testing with MIR as it shows up and stablizes as some of work will end up on DEs that do use MIR.	15:42
[07:54] <smartboyhw> knome	yup	15:42
[07:54] <smartboyhw> knome	sounds fair
[07:55] <smartboyhw> We didn't EVER say 14.10
[07:55] <smartboyhw> At least yesterday
[07:55] <cub> yes. But that is a two row discussion. I don't see that as a definite decision until zequence says so.
[07:56] <smartboyhw> zequence, are you in support of Mir?
[07:56] <cub> And no, as I wrote my 14.10 comment is my conclusion after earlier discussions here in this channel.
[07:57] <smartboyhw> cub, em, obviously your second comment is WRONG.
[07:57] <cub> :D how can it be wrong?
[07:57] <smartboyhw> cub, sure, give me evidence to why you think it's 14.10.
[07:57] <smartboyhw> Maybe we said it before, but I don't remember it
[07:58] <cub> it's my interpretation of the discussions from several weeks back. It can't be wrong or right.
[07:58] <smartboyhw> cub, several weeks BACK, oh
[07:58]  * smartboyhw forgotten
[07:59] <cub> smartboyhw, I think you misunderstand me. I don't mean a particular sentence at one specific time. When there has been discussions from time to time 14.10 keeps coming up as a possble earliest time. Nothing set in stone or decided. Just discussions.
[07:59] <smartboyhw> cub, let's see anyway
[08:00] <smartboyhw> Now, if zequence says yes to XMir for 13.10, I think that IS surprising:P
[08:00] <cub> yeah
[08:01] <smartboyhw> Maybe I should edit my G+ comment to "most"
[08:01] <smartboyhw> At least, me and OvenWerks 
[08:01] <cub> I wouldn't run it on any important computer yet. Then again, 13.04 messed up my laptop bad in an important meeting after release. :D
[08:01] <smartboyhw> lol lol
[08:01] <cub> I was not a happy camper.
[08:02] <cub> I was the one supposed to take the meeting notes as well.
[08:02] <cub> "Sorry my computer just died and deleted the last 30 minutes of discussions". :P
[08:03] <smartboyhw> huh
[08:03] <cub> and when it happened four times during the meeting people started to get a bit annoyed.
[08:03] <cub> So, I run 12.04 now. :PO
[08:04] <smartboyhw> oh oh
[08:04] <smartboyhw> cub, yeah, it's at least LTS:P
[08:23] <cub> Jono Bacon is coming to Stockholm in November. I'm hoping to facilitate so I can be on the sessions
[08:24] <smartboyhw> cub, oh>
[08:24] <smartboyhw> ?
[08:24] <cub> http://internetdagarna.se/english/ He's one of the keynote speakers
[08:24] <smartboyhw> I do hope to meet people like jcastro when OpenStack Summit happens in HK
[08:42] <cub> though in the programme it seems Jono will only do a 30 minutes session..:/
[08:42] <smartboyhw> that's better than 0, cub 
[08:43] <cub> yes, but it's 125 euro
[08:44] <smartboyhw> Hah
[08:45] <smartboyhw> cub, well it's 150 USD here too
[08:45] <smartboyhw> But I heard that if I submit some code, I can go in for free.
[08:46] <cub> but that would be an ubuntu event?
[08:46] <smartboyhw> And that's from a Ubuntu Community Council member:P
[08:46] <smartboyhw> cub, NO
[08:46] <smartboyhw> OpenStack is cloud technologyu
[08:46] <smartboyhw> Ofc, Ubuntu Cloud support OpenStack
[08:46] <cub> aha the one you mentioned
[08:46] <smartboyhw> cub, yep
[08:46] <cub> The internet days in Stockholm is arranged by a government company. No free admissions here!
[10:34] <cub> zequence, are you around?
[11:51] <cub> smartboyhw, you used trello.com right? I got an invite to a new system KanbanJovi that's tied into Google Hangout.
[11:52] <smartboyhw> cub: eh?
[11:52] <smartboyhw> Hello DarkEra:)
[11:52] <smartboyhw> cub: what's that?
[11:52] <smartboyhw> I mean, KanbanJovi
[11:52] <DarkEra> hi smartboyhw
[11:52]  * smartboyhw uses Trello for Kubuntu
[11:52] <knome> brother of jon bon jovi?
[11:53] <cub> A similar service but you can start a google hangout directly from the board.
[11:53] <cub> knome, my thoughts too when I got the link..hehe
[11:53] <smartboyhw> cub: oh
[11:53]  * smartboyhw doesn't normally use Google+ Hangouts so don't ask him
[11:54] <cub> aha then it's to no use for you. :)
[11:54] <smartboyhw> Sigh, time to sign up for a Ubuntu Member certificate...
[11:55] <cub> I thought you were already
[11:55] <cub> oh wait cert
[11:55] <smartboyhw> cub: cert:P
[11:55] <knome> what's the point of the cert?
[11:55] <smartboyhw> knome: university applications (LOL)
[11:55] <cub> CV?
[11:55] <knome> hah
[11:56] <knome> but it's quite easy to get the membership, right
[11:56] <smartboyhw> knome: Right, that's why I'm going in for MORE programs.
[11:56] <cub> Is it? I've skimmed the process pages but gave up. :D
[11:56] <smartboyhw> I will participate in Google Code-In this year.
[11:57] <cub> smartboyhw, cool. 
[11:57] <knome> cub, i mean in the sense that if you contribute to ubuntu, you will eventually get it
[11:57] <knome> cub, you don't really need to specifically think about it
[11:58] <smartboyhw> cub: One day when we think you are ready to apply, we will tell you. (So as DarkEra)
[11:58] <cub> haha ok
[11:58] <smartboyhw> cub: For how long have you joined us?
[11:59] <cub> oh I don't know what date that might count as "official"
[11:59] <smartboyhw> cub: Just when?
[11:59] <knome> smartboyhw, oi, don't pressure the guy
[11:59] <cub> I've been active in the community since 2004ish
[12:00] <cub> but I didn't hang out in thhis channel until a couple of months ago or something
[12:00] <smartboyhw> cub: Uh!
[12:00] <smartboyhw> knome: I'm not pressuring, just knowing when:P
[12:00] <cub> but I'm not listed in any wiki pages so I guess I'm a hangaround. :P
[12:01] <smartboyhw> cub: we will list you one day, for sure.
[12:02] <smartboyhw> You seem to be even better than me:P
[12:02] <cub> well I'm not here for the glory. :D
[12:03] <smartboyhw> cub: Of course:)
[12:03] <smartboyhw> :P
[12:03] <cub> I'm here for World Domination.
[12:03] <cub> ;D
[12:04] <smartboyhw> cub: oh
[12:04] <smartboyhw> Well, this is a small world.
[12:04] <smartboyhw> If you want to be in a bigger world, work much harder.
[12:46] <zequence> smartboyhw: cub: It is true that we are following Xubuntu on this, and that has been the general idea all along
[12:46] <zequence> But, we haven't really agreed on anything
[12:46] <zequence> I mean, we haven't taken a stand, as the question hasn't really been out specifically
[12:47] <zequence> If Xubuntu would have chosen to go with XMir, then it would have been something to discuss
[12:47] <zequence> So, in this way it would be incorrect to claim that we have agreed on something about XMir
[12:47] <smartboyhw> OK, /me deletes post
[12:47] <zequence> smartboyhw: It's ok
[12:47] <smartboyhw> zequence: or, do you want me to change it to another form?
[12:48] <zequence> smartboyhw: If you want, you could edit it. But, I personally don't think it's that important
[12:48] <zequence> good to think about this in the future though. It can be tricky to speak on behalf of an organization sometimes
[12:49] <smartboyhw> zequence: yeah
[12:49] <cub> many seem to have strong opinions around the question as well
[12:49] <smartboyhw> Anyways, zequence we aren't doing it for 13.10 right?
[12:49] <zequence> smartboyhw: No. There's no reason to start doing that this late in the game, especially since Xubuntu is not doing it
[12:50] <smartboyhw> Phew:)
[12:50] <zequence> Our main interest is to offer a practical and stable solution for multimedia. A further goal is to become DE agnostic. So for us, the discussion about technologies is not idelogically as important
[12:51] <zequence> But, of course, if any of us feel very strongly about Mir, those opinions should of course be aired
[12:52] <cub> Nah if it works and use less resources I will probably use it. But that's possible no matter what we ship as default.
[12:52] <smartboyhw> Well, I like Mir, tbh
[12:52] <smartboyhw> But, not stable enough
[12:52] <smartboyhw> Quite different from my Kubuntu people who has more hatred towards it:P
[12:54] <cub> zequence, when you have the time I have a couple of questions around the seed stuff
[12:55] <zequence> cub: shoot
[12:56] <cub> When downloading the seed, should I do "bzr branch" as we talked about, or "bzr checkout" as the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement instructs?
[12:57] <smartboyhw> bzr branch
[12:57] <cub> 2) When I'm going to upload, should I do that to the lp:~ubuntustudio-contributors/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.saucy or my personal lp?
[12:58]  * smartboyhw recommends personal lp, dunno for zequence
[12:59] <zequence> cub: We don't say upload, we say push. And, if you just do "bzr push", it will push to where you got the branch
[12:59] <zequence> cub: you should push to the contributor branch
[12:59] <cub> Shouldn't I do commit before push?
[12:59] <zequence> doesn't matter if it gets messed up. That's the point in having that branch
[12:59] <zequence> cub: Yeah
[12:59] <smartboyhw> cub: ofc
[12:59] <zequence> cub: make one commit for each change
[13:00] <zequence> cub: if you add one application, commit it separately
[13:00] <zequence> It's a good general rule
[13:00] <cub> so I could make one change, one commit, a new change, a new commit, then push?
[13:00] <smartboyhw> yep
[13:00] <zequence> yeah
[13:01] <cub> and last one for the actual desktop file
[13:01] <zequence> which desktop file?
[13:01] <zequence> seeds don't have desktop files. Just instructions on which packages to include on the image
[13:01] <cub> there's only one file called "desktop"..?
[13:01] <zequence> Ah, right
[13:01] <smartboyhw> cub: Oh, you mean that desktop
[13:01] <cub> :)
[13:02] <cub> to my understanding I should put in: * gnome-orca
[13:02] <zequence> cub: do this. edit "desktop". do "bzr status"
[13:02] <cub> and not: * (gnome-orca)
[13:02] <zequence> cub: It should say "desktop" was changed
[13:02] <zequence> then do: bzr commit -m "your message"
[13:03]  * smartboyhw wonders should gnome-orca be really a hard depend instead of recommends
[13:03] <cub> ok 
[13:04] <cub> smartboyhw, I'm not sure. But if it's in (gnome-orca) it won't be included when you boot from a USB?
[13:05] <smartboyhw> cub: Let me check
[13:06] <cub> but I don't have run germinate locally before I commit or push?
[13:06] <smartboyhw> cub: I think so
[13:06] <cub> smartboyhw, about which question?
[13:06] <smartboyhw> network-manager-gnome is included in the ISO with a recommends
[13:06] <smartboyhw> cub: hard depend or recommends
[13:06] <cub> ok
[13:06] <smartboyhw> For gnome-orca
[13:06] <smartboyhw> zequence: what's your view?
[13:07] <cub> in the desktop-gnome file that was in the seed it list "* ati-spi2-core" and then "* (gnome-orca)" and "* (brltty)" so perhaps the best way to go?
[13:09] <smartboyhw> cub: gnome-orca is included in the ISOs for ubuntu-gnome
[13:09] <zequence> To my understanding recommends will be included unless you do: apt-get install --no-install-recommends
[13:09] <smartboyhw> Which, I think images do install recommends
[13:09] <cub> ok
[13:09] <zequence> I think it's better to set it to recommends, if it's not absolutely needed
[13:10] <smartboyhw> It should be recommends
[13:10] <smartboyhw> I think
[13:11] <zequence> Job interview on Monday. Starting to hold my thumbs already :P
[13:11] <cub> I'll give it a shot, push and then someone will take a look I suppose?
[13:11] <zequence> cub: OvenWerks already added gnome-orca
[13:11] <smartboyhw> zequence: what's the job?
[13:11] <zequence> cub: What you could do is first pull from the main branch
[13:11] <smartboyhw> zequence: did he add he as a recommends?
[13:11] <smartboyhw> (it
[13:11] <zequence> then push to contributors
[13:11] <cub> yeah I know. But not in the contributor branch
[13:12] <smartboyhw> Even OvenWerks make it as a recommends;P
[13:12] <cub> smartboyhw, he put it as recommends
[13:13] <smartboyhw> cub: so you should!
[13:13] <zequence> cub: One nice way to keep track of branches is to add them as variables. Add to your .bashrc: export SEEDS=lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.saucy
[13:13] <zequence> then just: bzr pull $SEEDS
[13:13] <smartboyhw> zequence: you missed a source ~/.bashrd
[13:13] <smartboyhw> *~/.bashrc
[13:14] <OvenWerks> cub: The reason to use recomends, is that in the case of a depends, if someone decides to remove that application it then removed the whole meta.
[13:14] <smartboyhw> Which will be a disaster:P
[13:14] <OvenWerks> cub: but if it is a recomends then removing one app just removes that app.
[13:14] <zequence> cub: You need to either do: "source ~/.bashrc" to reload the settings, or start a new terminal shell
[13:15] <cub> OvenWerks, that would suck. :D
[13:15] <OvenWerks> cub sometimes knowing why helps things make sense
[13:15] <zequence> Well, the meta would be removed, but not the applications for it
[13:16] <smartboyhw> zequence: What if a user runs sudo apt-get autoremove?:P
[13:16] <OvenWerks> there is also a difference in things installed by the ISO (first install) and metas installed after that.
[13:20] <zequence> smartboyhw: Shouldn't remove things, I don't think
[13:21] <smartboyhw> zequence: I doubt that.
[13:22] <zequence> give it a try
[13:22] <zequence> remove a ubuntustudio meta, and see if autoremove wants to remove some apps from the meta
[13:22] <zequence> one which has recommends in it
[13:24]  * smartboyhw tries
[13:29] <zequence> OvenWerks: I put out the question on #ubuntu-devel as well
[13:29] <zequence> OvenWerks: Are you subscribing to the ubuntu-motu mail list? I'm thinking maybe that could be effective as well
[13:29] <OvenWerks> Thank you I was about to do that
[13:29] <OvenWerks> I will try the ML
[13:29] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks: yeah, you're correct!
[13:30] <smartboyhw> Oops, that's to zequence:P
[13:30]  * OvenWerks thinks it shouldn't be this hard
[13:39] <OvenWerks> cub, smartboyhw: Re (x)MIR, It is pretty much a non-issue for us. From our pov, while we use xfce, MIR should act like a drop in replacement for X. That is all apps built against the X libs should function.
[13:40] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks: the problem is that at 14.04 there will be NO fallback from XMir to X.
[13:42] <OvenWerks> yes. but it still has to act like X to an x program. I don't know the future plans of the MIR team, but, I think being x like in the future may also mean accepting wayland commands.
[13:42] <OvenWerks> I don't know if there are plans for that or not.
[13:43] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks: Just ask in #ubuntu-mir:
[13:43] <smartboyhw> :P
[13:44] <OvenWerks> If MIR works really well and gets released in thhe debian side of things... and works better than...
[13:44] <OvenWerks> then it may not matter so much.
[13:44] <OvenWerks> it might even become standard.
[13:47] <OvenWerks> upstart and systemd came out at the same time and most of the linux world has gone systemd, that doesn't seem to matter much as that interface only stops and starts things, any admin should be up to the task of writing a config in either case.
[13:48] <OvenWerks> with MIR/X/wayland, the SW is interacting with it all the time. It affects machine performance and feel. People are much more likely to select which they use based on feel.
[13:49] <OvenWerks> If MIR is being used while wayland is still in development, that will change things too.
[13:50] <OvenWerks> this is even more true if MIR is noticably faster/smoother than x
[13:52] <cub> zequence, where's the job interview and what kind of work?
[13:53] <OvenWerks> unity has been slow on x (my experience), but if MIR can make it perform better than xfce on x, then they have solved one of unity's biggest downsides.
[13:56] <zequence> cub: It's through Manpower/Expiris. Not sure for what yet. They've sent my CV to a couple of places, Ericson among others
[13:57] <cub> alright
[13:57] <zequence> Something Unix-y
[14:09] <cub> You mean something GNU/linux-y ;)
[14:12] <zequence> cub: Maybe. Depends on the job :/
[14:13] <zequence> Of course, I'd rather play with penguins then Eunuchs
[14:13] <zequence> Mostly just cause I feel bad for eunuchs. Nothing wrong with them otherwise
[14:17] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: where do I run bzr launchpad-login? Does it need to be run on every package?
[14:20] <OvenWerks> I set it.
[14:20] <OvenWerks> I will see on my next push if it works
[14:20] <cub> isn't that saved in your ./bazaar/bazaar.conf after the first time?
[14:21] <OvenWerks> It looks like a once only thing.
[14:21] <OvenWerks> It may be something got lost when I reistalled the OS
[14:21] <cub> hehe that might be it.
[14:21] <zequence> Not sure if it's a Xubuntu/Ubuntu Studio thing
[14:22] <zequence> But, makes sense about logging in while in the branch
[14:22] <OvenWerks> It did work when I used it the first few times
[14:22] <zequence> I haven't thought about that. And, also, haven't put so much effort on it. After all - you need an ssh key to push
[14:22] <zequence> So, it's secure in that way
[14:22] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks: It's run once:)
[14:23] <OvenWerks> Thanks
[14:23] <OvenWerks> I will see when I do the next -settings push
[14:24] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: did you see this: http://imagebin.org/268425 ?
[14:25] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks: I admit I didn't.
[14:25] <OvenWerks> That is on a machine that also has newer generic kernels on it.
[14:25] <smartboyhw> Now I did:P
[14:25] <smartboyhw> But for the god's sake, why is there a Ubuntu 11.04?!?!!?
[14:25] <OvenWerks> It will show ubuntustudio, but that is a different patch
[14:26] <OvenWerks> (different directory too)
[14:26] <smartboyhw> Great
[14:29] <OvenWerks> I am not sure if the current 10_linux is the same as debian or already patched by ubuntu, but I would like to send a patch upstream that allows the user/distro to flag a kind of kernel to be default... such as lowlatency or RT or whatever
[15:03]  * OvenWerks celbrates the releaase of his first ever sw package :)
[15:03] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks: \o/
[15:03]  * smartboyhw hugs OvenWerks
[15:03] <OvenWerks> ubuntustudio-installer is now in the ubuntu repos
[15:04] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks: NOT YET
[15:04] <smartboyhw> It still needs to go through NEW I imagine
[15:05] <smartboyhw> Yep, xnox confirmed it
[15:06] <smartboyhw> It hasn't appeared yet:P
[15:08] <OvenWerks> thats ok, I still have to do settings to get it to work right. That is what I am working on now.
[15:09] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks: Let me tell Riddell to be specifically straight in ubuntustudio-installer NEW review, so you can taste failure (LOL)
[15:13] <OvenWerks> At my age, I have tasted many failures already. Anything here is minor.
[15:13] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks: at least, your first failrue of a NEW pacakge;P
[15:13] <smartboyhw> *package
[15:49] <cub> zequence, I just did a push to the https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-contributors/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.saucy . I think it looks ok ...
[15:49]  * cub is feeling hi-tech doing push from the bus over 3G modem
[15:51] <cub> hey OvenWerks congrats on the sw package! :D nice work
[15:51] <OvenWerks> Thank you.
[16:03] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: How do we get SW out of new?
[16:03] <OvenWerks> can our devs test? or does it need something more?
[16:15] <OvenWerks> zequence: I have tested my grub lowlatency patch on a system with no lowlatency kernels. 
[16:16] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, it will be manually reviewed
[16:16] <OvenWerks> update grub runs with no errors and the boot screen is as if our addition was not there.
[16:17] <OvenWerks> So it is safe either way.
[16:17] <smartboyhw> zequence, I REALLY HAVE TO SLEEP. So can you do the tiresome job of updating the download links, send the announcements, post the annoucnements to website and social mediae?
[16:18] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: you may be waiting a while for that answer :)
[16:18] <OvenWerks> but that should be ok
[16:18] <smartboyhw> zequence, and on that reason, I think it might be a better idea if we can add ~len-ovenwerks to ~ubuntustudio-release.
[16:19] <OvenWerks> I would not normally be available at this time either... but I am on hollidays :)
[16:19] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, oh:P
[16:20]  * smartboyhw is on summer holiday too
[16:20] <smartboyhw> But it's 00:20 here
[16:20] <OvenWerks> However, if you need sleep, go do it.
[16:21] <smartboyhw> That's why I hate delaying into Fridays and waiting for the Americans...
[16:21] <smartboyhw> Even though we have no choice
[16:46] <OvenWerks> knome: quick question, if some our our packages (like -menu) are depends of our -settings package do I (or should I) still add it to the seeds?
[16:48] <OvenWerks> zequence: ^^
[17:13] <xequence> OvenWerks, Yes, I think you should add it, even if you don't have to
[17:13] <xequence> We should add each individual package that we explicitly want for it's own purpose, if you understand what I mean
[17:14] <xequence> Some packages have their own purpose, but are also depends to others
[17:34] <OvenWerks> xequence: right. Will do. I am trying to figure out why my LP id does not show up with my uploads. I will use my pushes to check changes I make.
[17:36] <OvenWerks> It looks like xfce will be fixing their .menu file. This is good as we will be able to just run our merge against the stock xfce file... one less thing to maintain
[18:12] <OvenWerks> xequence: our settings package has an empty /etc/skel directory. do we need it?
[18:17] <xequence> OvenWerks, I suppose not :)
[18:19] <OvenWerks> Ga!, there are hidden files in there after all. forget I said anything
[19:44] <OvenWerks> xequence: I can't add the two packages to seeds untill -settings is uploaded. 
[19:44] <OvenWerks> I am still working on that
[21:02] <knome> OvenWerks, what xequence said is correct. you probably should if it's essential even if it would be pulled anyway
[22:47] <OvenWerks> knome thanks. I am realizing it will have to wait till the new verion of settings is uploaded. Other wise our ISOs will break :)
[22:48] <knome> :)