=== max_ is now known as hdsler_ === max_ is now known as hdsler_ === JamesTai1 is now known as JamesTait === max_ is now known as hdsler_ === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === nigelb is now known as nigelb|sparky === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [07:59] aloha [07:59] something has gone a bit wrong on saucy with my screen http://ubuntuone.com/7Zlk6LDTPSb93xSVtmp3CP happens when I scroll on browsers [08:30] good morning everyone, === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [09:45] why oh why is there no bacon [09:45] :( [09:46] because someone ATE it [09:46] yumyum [10:00] \o/ bacon [10:26] morning all [10:29] meh, I've decided I need to do a spreadsheet about different laptops [10:29] because otherwise I'll just waffle about and spend my time complaining instead of actually deciding [10:38] Laney: Ive bacon here :) [10:38] nyommy byommy bacon and a bucket of tea :) [11:09] is it just me, or am I missing out on something, but [11:09] if you don't consider customer loyalty to a certain brand [11:10] it almost looks like the Dell Ubuntu laptop is about the best price/quality ratio laptop that can do Linux without a hitch [11:29] how do you measure quality? [11:32] penguin42: with a qualometer? [11:33] SuperEngineer: Of course! [11:39] penguin42: features, chassis material [11:48] czajkowski: FEED ME [11:48] Laney: I can send you 20 eggs will that do :) [11:48] lolz, i have quite a lot of those [11:49] not that i'd turn down more [11:49] say hello to my new evil bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1216252 [11:49] Launchpad bug 1216252 in xf86-video-intel "scrolling in chrome leads to distorted images" [Medium,In progress] [11:49] fun [11:49] Laney: yes but mine were just laid today :) [11:49] 20 in one day? [11:49] nam [11:49] Nha [11:49] we got 4 today [11:49] 3 yesterday [11:49] 4 the other day [11:49] etc [11:49] bah medium [11:49] that bug is so more annoying than a medium bug! [11:50] hey at least the upstream guy is on it [11:50] that's a good sign [11:51] Subject: Your contribution to ‘Ubuntu Edge’ has been refunded [11:51] :'( [11:52] Laney: aye it is good [11:52] it's gotten so bad in the last week it's driving me crazy [11:52] I've found by hitting print screen [11:52] does firefox have the problem? [11:52] it makes it reset itself sometimes [11:52] never use FF [11:52] lemmie go and see [11:53] i bet i have to phone halifax to get the money back to my current account from me credit card [11:53] Laney: nope nothing there [11:53] nothing what? [11:56] no issues on FF [11:56] ah [11:56] well there's your workaround :-) [11:57] i'm off to look at suits / watch alan partridge [11:57] ttyl [12:02] when a PSU says it's got a 20+4 connector and a 1x4 pin CPU connector, does that mean it can power a PSU that takes a 24 pin plug? [12:18] penguin42, yes [12:19] the 20+4 means it is 24 pin connector, but 4 can be removed to fit a 20 pin socket [12:24] you were called today by 01210 000 000 00 grrrrr [12:24] how do they fake caller id? [12:35] "no sir this is not a spam call, this is an information call" [12:49] mungbean: voip [12:50] scummers [12:50] also v high incidence of failed calls with voip [12:55] that's due to the way call centre pooling works [12:57] they keep a certain number of phones ringing constantly so that there is never any gap between them [12:57] yeah :( [12:57] but this means if you answer really fast there will be nobody ready to talk to you [12:57] i used to get some at 4am [12:57] :/ [12:58] has anyone seen the social netowrk film [12:58] they always hang up before the call is put through to me [12:58] i had a failed call 20 mins earlier [12:58] which is why i knew to be prepared for the next call [12:59] the computer system knows if you answer when there's no operator ready [12:59] he opened his mouth hello Sir "NO SPAM CALLS" [12:59] so it just drops the call and dials someone else [12:59] rather than keep the line blocked [12:59] prepared? with a whistle? ;) [12:59] next time [12:59] i have young baby, dashing to phone could be during a feed or a nappy [13:01] a while back I had a spam call - the bloke took impolite objection to my polite objection - so I informed him his companies number was stored on the [landline] phone - and I was recording the conversation - haven't had a spam call since that day :) [13:01] im surprised a call centre monkey would care [13:01] this idiot did [13:03] [I try to have sympathy with them and be polite with refusal/goodbye as my daughter got conned on a part job when younger - she ended up working in a call centre for a newspaper [13:03] wow its raining really hard [13:04] ...daughter ended up working in one [13:04] mungbean - no it's not! I just checked [13:06] doggie wants a walk but she wont when im out [13:06] and i need to put sugru on my welly === nigelb|sparky is now known as nigelb [13:58] * peng42phone waits at train station having just bought bits for a new Nat box [13:59] and as always I bought a sata cable to find there were some in the mboard box [14:05] 3rd spam phone call of the day ..this time while i was in the loft [14:05] lucky i didn't rush [14:09] You registered on tps? [14:09] yes [14:09] indian spammers dont care, strangely [14:09] i think the caller id was 90210 [14:10] Ah yeh [14:10] my wife spent a load on baby clothes we needed to buy, and then i found them in the loft :( [14:22] penguin42: sure it wasn't a knat box? [14:25] Well it's too big to be,a gnat box, I wouldn't know about a knat [14:27] mungbean: ever thought of getting a phone with profiles available - i.e. put all knowns in a profole set to ring - all others, no notification etc [14:27] *profilr [14:27] damn numb finger! [14:27] p-r-o-f-i-l-e-s [14:30] pro files? [14:32] I'd prefer prof iteroles [14:34] mmmmm... profiteroles [14:35] [hungry now!] [14:39] profit eroles? [14:40] * SuperEngineer loves profit [14:40] [but not so keen on eroles] [14:40] aagh.. "spicy chicken mix" really means "SPICY chicken mix" [14:41] e-roles [14:41] :) [14:43] thank the flying spaghetti monster for milk 8-) [14:45] SuperEngineer: house phone? [14:45] maybe i should turn the house phone ringer off and never give my number [14:45] mungbean: yup [14:46] its the dumbest of dumb house phones [14:46] mungbean: one with the rotary dials? [14:46] :P [14:46] they are probably quite ££ now [14:46] mungbean: that nullifies that idea then [14:46] my brother has one [14:47] had to buy some kind of adapter to convert the pulses back into tones, because his voice providers uses VOIP, on a DOCSIS modem that doesn't understand pulse dialing [14:47] provider* [14:48] also, it didn't put enough power on the line to ring the ringer 8-) [14:48] Mungbean: there are some boxes you can buy that sit inline that do selective ringing and/or menus [14:50] Good afternoon peeps :) [14:50] \o bigcalm [14:51] this Monday: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0394dg0 [14:52] for those who didn't listen to the radio version :) [14:52] and who do like the Doctor [15:09] backing up the tv box over usb 1 , taking forever [15:10] 2Mbytes/s [15:12] usb 1 :( [15:19] loads of updates to my 12.04 to do :S [15:19] mungbean: don't run saucy if you think that's a lot ;) [15:19] more /etc/issue [15:19] Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS \n \l [15:20] hmmm [15:20] seem to have missed .2 somewhere [15:20] 574 upgraded, 11 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [15:20] Need to get 765 MB of archives. [15:20] After this operation, 368 MB of additional disk space will be used. [15:26] wish me kuck folks - gonna update nVidea driver to 319 [recommended] from current 304 - any warnings known, pleaseshout now [15:27] *luck [15:29] ok - here goes - bbs [hopefully] [15:31] BBS -> back to the old days :) [15:32] * mungbean wonders if its worth getting hte raring kernel [15:34] why does chrome write to disk so much when not even touching th ebrowser? [15:34] is pretty amazed how little my P90 uses [15:35] mungbean: the NSA requires it. [15:36] some truth in that [15:37] sudo sh -c "echo 'manual' > /etc/init/SERVICE.override" [15:37] uh.. wut? [15:37] that is how to disable upstart stuffs? thats ugly [15:41] that's ludicrously low [15:45] phew! safe - still got x running [much better than last time driver udated when x died afterwards] [15:46] ...dare I now go go driver with post release updates me wonders [15:46] yes [15:47] double or quits [15:47] munbean - ok, [&once again - bbs - hope] [15:47] ;) [15:47] * penguin42 doubts his new machine will beat the 47W of his 19 year old P90 [15:47] doing my massive dist-upgrade with only 3% left :S [15:47] of disk space [15:47] 3% of what though? [15:47] need to delte some kernels if this works [15:47] / [15:48] = /var /boot /etc /usr [15:48] penguin42: atom + SSD ;) [15:48] penguin42: maybe a NUC [15:49] penguin42: NUC under load: 27W ;) [15:49] D33217CK [15:49] MartijnVdS: OK, that's interesting - I've bought what I believe is the same CPU in the NUCs - dual core 1.1GHz Celeron [15:51] my first job in '96 used a compaq p90 [15:51] this P90 (through which this conversation is being NATd) was bought in '94 [15:51] my first real PC was a 486-DX4-100 because a P90 was too expensive [15:52] clocked at 133 [15:52] haven't switched my desktop pc on in yonks [15:52] MartijnVdS: Yeh I think it cost me ~£2k in '94 including a 17" liyama monitor [15:53] iiyama had the best [15:54] first job, disembowl the P400's chassis that I'm going to reuse the case from [15:59] i throw away 5 years old machines all the time [15:59] mungbean: I just got another 5 year old machine to "fix" [15:59] i.e. rescue all data, reinstall OS [16:01] down to 193MB [16:02] finger hovering over rm command [16:03] argh [16:09] [no carrier] [16:12] +++ATZ [16:14] double phew - nVidea updated - still got x [unlike last time]. [16:14] Bonus - Steam has stopped whinging about getting me to "experimental" - at last! [16:15] SuperEngineer: whoa! [16:16] thinking about Steam - any tried "Larry reloaded" [on Ubuntu] from Steam yet? [16:16] that exists on Ubuntu?! [16:16] SuperEngineer: Spending € now [16:16] MartijnVdS: that's exactly what I was wondering [16:16] or that game where you are snooping around the house? [16:16] the new one [16:17] gone home? [16:17] http://store.steampowered.com/app/232430/ [16:17] SuperEngineer: it installs fine [16:18] MartijnVdS: wee [16:18] * SuperEngineer is about to spend as well [16:19] aaand.. done installing [16:20] ♫ Fibre-man, Fibre-man [16:20] ;) [16:20] MartijnVdS: is it under wine or native? [16:20] lots of linux games now [16:21] native, I think [16:21] weeee [16:21] it starts with the DOS soundtrack! [16:21] i accidentally bought frak 69 for a friend when i was young (well my dad bougt it) [16:21] i had frak [16:21] we didn't realise frak 69 used a willie instead of a yoyo [16:21] :-| [16:21] wat [16:21] i was 10yrs old [16:22] lol [16:22] i just thought it was the commdore version of a family favourite [16:33] lo [16:34] Don't suppose AlanBell is around is he? [16:41] hmmm - this'll be interesting... had to try 3 times to purchase Larry [forgot to tick the agree to Steam's t&c" box - I wonder if I get get charged once or thrice [16:43] wee [16:43] whoopee! only once! [16:44] can someone check the size of their pm-powersave and pm-suspend logs in /var/log? [16:44] [well done Steam /PP] [16:47] bbs [yet again... need to switch to £G dongle to download Larry - 10x faster than my "borrowed" connxn! ;) [16:52] high flying teddy http://ssdv.habhub.org/ [16:53] mungbean: pm-suspend.log is 0 and pm-powersave.log is 130606 [16:55] quite large [16:55] mungbean: More specifically http://pastebin.com/582jyM6s [16:55] I don't use suspend, so that probably explains the 0 [16:57] o bytes disk space during dist-upgrade is bad :( [17:25] hmmm - bigger disk needed - or ppre-warnings might be a damn site better! [17:30] Afternoon [17:41] evening [17:41] hey popey [17:50] does anyone know of a better way of removing Left for Dead 2 beta from Steam other than downloading it and then "remove all local content"- currently downloading 11.5 gig of unwanted stuff! [already have the non-beta game installed on Steam] [17:52] * SuperEngineer copies & pastes last to #ubuntu-steam [17:57] MartijnVdS: OK, this box is running 20-21W in the Ubuntu alternate installer [18:11] nice [18:12] i was down south on the island today [18:12] took this nice little panorama of some Guernsey Cows [18:12] https://www.dropbox.com/s/jkl5zykebek9niy/PANO_20130824_153423.jpg [19:14] started downloading a purchased game - stopped it after advice* - deleted local content - but available disc space has fallen by 6G! How do I reclaim this disk space? [19:14] [* game was Left For Dead 2 Beta - I already have the non-beta version & perfectly satisfied with it]. [19:14] Disk space should be freed - not kept! [19:18] you buy disks to not use them? [19:31] SuperEngineer, .Trash? [19:31] daftykins: nice one [19:34] SuperEngineer, ~/.local/share/Trash [19:39] hamitron: now that's an idea [19:40] could maybe be in temp storage for a torrent client, if you used that method :) [19:42] hamitron: not a torrent - and nah - ~/.local/share/Trash = 12.5kB [19:42] how did you download and delete it? [19:55] hamitron: download via Steam App - paused, stopped , removed "all local content" [19:56] rebooted to see if space was still held - and it was [19:56] ah, I've known steam leave stuff on windows [19:57] not sure about the linux client, worth checking manually? [19:57] been doing that and hunting - can't find a sausage! [19:58] :/ [19:58] except this descrepency http://paste.ubuntu.com/6022613/ [19:58] "." does not add up! [19:59] SuperEngineer: note your .local [19:59] yeh, is .local that big usually? [19:59] haha [19:59] nope [20:01] "~/.local/share/Steam by default" [20:02] grrrr [20:03] wish my amp on my motherboard would go louder for my front headphones port [20:03] turn it up to 11? [20:03] I can't have it at 100% [20:03] get distortion [20:03] :/ [20:03] well, for some songs anyway [20:05] no worries, will just encourage me to get my amp repaired so i don't use these ports [20:06] (another external amp, that is) [20:22] * bigcalm waddles in from Cafe Rouge [20:24] how do i make unity faster on older PC? change active blur to ?? [20:24] anything else? [20:24] Replace the HDD with an SSD [20:28] wow, static blur is extremely odd [20:28] shows windows i had open some time ago [20:28] bug 873076 [20:28] bug 873076 in compizconfig-settings-manager (Ubuntu) "Transparency with Static Blur in Unity Plugin Does Not Work" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873076 [20:29] This package has been removed from Ubuntu. Closing all related bugs. [20:29] wut [20:35] mungbean, remove it? [20:35] unity I mean [20:35] ;) [20:35] shared pc [20:35] but when i recover some disk space i'm about to switch my last remaining pc to elementary desktop [20:37] elementary? [20:39] looks like Mac? :/ [20:42] in some respects [20:42] although no global menu [20:43] or craziness of ideas employed by gnome shell [20:43] is the most enjoyable linux since i switched to ubuntu ~2005/6 [20:44] and v fast [20:44] url? [20:45] http://elementaryos.org/ [20:45] think I'm going to give win8 a go on a non-touch desktop [20:46] haha [20:46] see what all this fuss is about [20:46] you will vomit and kill yourself [20:46] and smash something [20:46] well, I like windows phones and win8 on a touch screen laptop [20:46] ;) [20:47] do suspect it may feel un-natural with no touch display [20:47] but it has better multi-monitor stuff than win7 [20:48] but I'm happier now my main rig is stable, with all memory installed [20:48] vmware here I come [20:51] tbh, to get what I want from an OS, would mean spending a lot of time putting together what I want [20:51] win8 isn't really all that interesting [20:51] and I really cba [20:51] imagine windows 7 with start menu removed [20:51] then imagine every 5 minutes a weird full screen thing that you don't understand pops up [20:51] that's basically it [20:51] haha [20:52] I like that [20:52] ;/ [20:52] the modern start menu has got too cluttered anyway [20:52] * hamitron likes LXDE [20:52] lol [20:52] well metro is about 100 times more cluttered [20:52] but they made it look "not cluttered" by removing all the text [20:52] so now it's a mess of icons [20:53] on my laptop, I don't use the desktop that often tbh [20:53] more like a tablet with a keyboard [20:53] it works well for that [20:53] how do you do anything at all? [20:53] what you mean? [20:53] how do you do anything at all on windows without using the desktop? [20:54] it is for basic day-to-day things [20:54] like for example, visit a web page [20:54] email, web browsing, word processing [20:54] the version of win8 i used, IE opened on the desktop [20:54] metro did nothing at all [20:54] except serve as a start menu replacement [20:54] it can do, or it can run metro style [20:55] I use the IE touch interface [20:56] http://news.softpedia.com/images/extra/NEWS/large/iemetro.jpg [20:57] I wouldn't mind knowing a good linux Desktop for touch displays [20:57] android [20:57] :/ [20:57] I hate android [20:58] have never got the hang of it, the times I've played [20:58] I miss the tiles from windows phone [20:58] :/ [20:58] lol [20:58] if I used it for a longer period of time, I may get used to it I suppose [20:59] I did try android x86 on my laptop for a few hours too [21:00] but too basic for a rig like that [21:00] i don't think i've used my laptop even once since i got a nexus 7 [21:00] :) [21:01] well, I was torn between the nexus 7 and the asus vivobook [21:01] I went vivobook, thinking I can still run normal pc apps [21:01] plus a keyboard [21:01] this was before I had tasted win8 [21:02] I'm sure the nexus 7 will be better for more people [21:03] just not me :)