[07:59] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:59] <czajkowski> something has gone a bit wrong on saucy with my screen http://ubuntuone.com/7Zlk6LDTPSb93xSVtmp3CP  happens when I scroll on browsers
[08:30] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:45] <Laney> why oh why is there no bacon
[09:45] <brobostigon> :(
[09:46] <Myrtti> because someone ATE it
[09:46] <brobostigon> yumyum
[10:00] <popey> \o/ bacon
[10:26] <MooDoo> morning all
[10:29] <Myrtti> meh, I've decided I need to do a spreadsheet about different laptops
[10:29] <Myrtti> because otherwise I'll just waffle about and spend my time complaining instead of actually deciding
[10:38] <czajkowski> Laney: Ive bacon here :)
[10:38] <czajkowski> nyommy byommy bacon and a bucket of tea :)
[11:09] <Myrtti> is it just me, or am I missing out on something, but
[11:09] <Myrtti> if you don't consider customer loyalty to a certain brand
[11:10] <Myrtti> it almost looks like the Dell Ubuntu laptop is about the best price/quality ratio laptop that can do Linux without a hitch
[11:29] <penguin42> how do you measure quality?
[11:32] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: with a qualometer?
[11:33] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Of course!
[11:39] <Myrtti> penguin42: features, chassis material
[11:48] <Laney> czajkowski: FEED ME
[11:48] <czajkowski> Laney: I can send you 20 eggs will that do :)
[11:48] <Laney> lolz, i have quite a lot of those
[11:49] <Laney> not that i'd turn down more
[11:49] <czajkowski> say hello to my new evil bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1216252
[11:49] <Laney> fun
[11:49] <czajkowski> Laney: yes but mine were just laid today :)
[11:49] <Laney> 20 in one day?
[11:49] <czajkowski> nam
[11:49] <czajkowski> Nha
[11:49] <czajkowski> we got 4 today
[11:49] <czajkowski> 3 yesterday
[11:49] <czajkowski> 4 the other day
[11:49] <czajkowski> etc
[11:49] <czajkowski> bah medium
[11:49] <czajkowski> that bug is so more annoying than a medium bug!
[11:50] <Laney> hey at least the upstream guy is on it
[11:50] <Laney> that's a good sign
[11:51] <Laney> Subject: Your contribution to ‘Ubuntu Edge’ has been refunded
[11:51] <Laney> :'(
[11:52] <czajkowski> Laney: aye it is good
[11:52] <czajkowski> it's gotten so bad in the last week it's driving me crazy
[11:52] <czajkowski> I've found by hitting print screen
[11:52] <Laney> does firefox have the problem?
[11:52] <czajkowski> it makes it reset itself sometimes
[11:52] <czajkowski> never use FF
[11:52] <czajkowski> lemmie go and see
[11:53] <Laney> i bet i have to phone halifax to get the money back to my current account from me credit card
[11:53] <czajkowski> Laney: nope nothing there
[11:53] <Laney> nothing what?
[11:56] <czajkowski> no issues on FF
[11:56] <Laney> ah
[11:56] <Laney> well there's your workaround :-)
[11:57] <Laney> i'm off to look at suits / watch alan partridge
[11:57] <Laney> ttyl
[12:02] <penguin42> when a PSU says it's got a 20+4 connector and a 1x4 pin CPU connector, does that mean it can power a PSU that takes a 24 pin plug?
[12:18] <hamitron> penguin42, yes
[12:19] <hamitron> the 20+4 means it is 24 pin connector, but 4 can be removed to fit a 20 pin socket
[12:24] <mungbean> you were called today by 01210 000 000 00 grrrrr
[12:24] <mungbean> how do they fake caller id?
[12:35] <mungbean> "no sir this is not a spam call, this is an information call"
[12:49] <ali1234> mungbean: voip
[12:50] <mungbean> scummers
[12:50] <mungbean> also v high incidence of failed calls with voip
[12:55] <ali1234> that's due to the way call centre pooling works
[12:57] <ali1234> they keep a certain number of phones ringing constantly so that there is never any gap between them
[12:57] <mungbean> yeah :(
[12:57] <ali1234> but this means if you answer really fast there will be nobody ready to talk to you
[12:57] <mungbean> i used to get some at 4am
[12:57] <hamitron> :/
[12:58] <mungbean> has anyone seen the social netowrk film
[12:58] <hamitron> they always hang up before the call is put through to me
[12:58] <mungbean> i had a failed call 20 mins earlier
[12:58] <mungbean> which is why i knew to be prepared for the next call
[12:59] <ali1234> the computer system knows if you answer when there's no operator ready
[12:59] <mungbean> he opened his mouth hello Sir "NO SPAM CALLS"
[12:59] <ali1234> so it just drops the call and dials someone else
[12:59] <ali1234> rather than keep the line blocked
[12:59] <hamitron> prepared? with a whistle? ;)
[12:59] <mungbean> next time
[12:59] <mungbean> i have young baby, dashing to phone could be during a feed or a nappy
[13:01] <SuperEngineer> a while back I had a spam call - the bloke took impolite objection to my polite objection - so I informed him his companies number was stored on the [landline] phone - and I was recording the conversation - haven't had a spam call since that day :)
[13:01] <mungbean> im surprised a call centre monkey would care
[13:01] <SuperEngineer> this idiot did
[13:03] <SuperEngineer> [I try to have sympathy with them and be polite with refusal/goodbye as my daughter got conned on a part job when younger - she ended up working in a call centre for a newspaper
[13:03] <mungbean> wow its raining really hard
[13:04] <SuperEngineer> ...daughter ended up working in one
[13:04] <SuperEngineer> mungbean - no it's not! I just checked
[13:06] <mungbean> doggie wants a walk but she wont when im out
[13:06] <mungbean> and i need to put sugru on my welly
[13:58]  * peng42phone waits at train station having just bought bits for a new Nat box
[13:59] <peng42phone> and as always I bought a sata cable to find there were some in the mboard box
[14:05] <mungbean> 3rd spam phone call of the day ..this time while i was in the loft
[14:05] <mungbean> lucky i didn't rush
[14:09] <peng42phone> You registered on tps?
[14:09] <mungbean> yes
[14:09] <mungbean> indian spammers dont care, strangely
[14:09] <mungbean> i think the caller id was 90210
[14:10] <peng42phone> Ah yeh
[14:10] <mungbean> my wife spent a load on baby clothes we needed to buy, and then i found them in the loft :(
[14:22] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: sure it wasn't a knat box?
[14:25] <peng42phone> Well it's too big to be,a gnat box, I wouldn't know about a knat
[14:27] <SuperEngineer> mungbean: ever thought of getting a phone with profiles available - i.e. put all knowns in a profole set to ring - all others, no notification etc
[14:27] <SuperEngineer> *profilr
[14:27] <SuperEngineer> damn numb finger!
[14:27] <SuperEngineer> p-r-o-f-i-l-e-s
[14:30] <MartijnVdS> pro files?
[14:32] <peng42phone> I'd prefer prof iteroles
[14:34] <SuperEngineer> mmmmm... profiteroles
[14:35] <SuperEngineer> [hungry now!]
[14:39] <MartijnVdS> profit eroles?
[14:40]  * SuperEngineer loves profit
[14:40] <SuperEngineer> [but not so keen on eroles]
[14:40] <MartijnVdS> aagh.. "spicy chicken mix" really means "SPICY chicken mix"
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> e-roles
[14:41] <SuperEngineer> :)
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> thank the flying spaghetti monster for milk 8-)
[14:45] <mungbean> SuperEngineer: house phone?
[14:45] <mungbean> maybe i should turn the house phone ringer off and never give my number
[14:45] <SuperEngineer> mungbean: yup
[14:46] <mungbean> its the dumbest of dumb house phones
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: one with the rotary dials?
[14:46] <mungbean> :P
[14:46] <mungbean> they are probably quite ££ now
[14:46] <SuperEngineer> mungbean: that nullifies that idea then
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> my brother has one
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> had to buy some kind of adapter to convert the pulses back into tones, because his voice providers uses VOIP, on a DOCSIS modem that doesn't understand pulse dialing
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> provider*
[14:48] <MartijnVdS> also, it didn't put enough power on the line to ring the ringer 8-)
[14:48] <peng42phone> Mungbean: there are some boxes you can buy that sit inline that do selective ringing and/or menus
[14:50] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[14:50] <MartijnVdS> \o bigcalm
[14:51] <MartijnVdS> this Monday: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0394dg0
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> for those who didn't listen to the radio version :)
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> and who do like the Doctor
[15:09] <mungbean> backing up the tv box over usb 1 , taking forever
[15:10] <mungbean> 2Mbytes/s
[15:12] <MartijnVdS> usb 1 :(
[15:19] <mungbean> loads of updates to my 12.04 to do :S
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: don't run saucy if you think that's a lot ;)
[15:19] <mungbean>  more /etc/issue
[15:19] <mungbean> Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS \n \l
[15:20] <mungbean> hmmm
[15:20] <mungbean> seem to have missed .2 somewhere
[15:20] <mungbean> 574 upgraded, 11 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[15:20] <mungbean> Need to get 765 MB of archives.
[15:20] <mungbean> After this operation, 368 MB of additional disk space will be used.
[15:26] <SuperEngineer> wish me kuck folks - gonna update nVidea driver to 319 [recommended] from current 304 - any warnings known, pleaseshout now
[15:27] <SuperEngineer> *luck
[15:29] <SuperEngineer> ok - here goes - bbs [hopefully]
[15:31] <MartijnVdS> BBS -> back to the old days :)
[15:32]  * mungbean wonders if its worth getting hte raring kernel
[15:34] <mungbean> why does chrome write to disk so much when not even touching th ebrowser?
[15:34] <penguin42> is pretty amazed how little my P90 uses
[15:35] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: the NSA requires it.
[15:36] <mungbean> some truth in that
[15:37] <mungbean> sudo sh -c "echo 'manual' > /etc/init/SERVICE.override"
[15:37] <MartijnVdS> uh.. wut?
[15:37] <mungbean> that is how to disable upstart stuffs? thats ugly
[15:41] <penguin42> that's ludicrously low
[15:45] <SuperEngineer> phew! safe - still got x running [much better than last time driver udated when x died afterwards]
[15:46] <SuperEngineer> ...dare I now go go driver with post release updates me wonders
[15:46] <mungbean> yes
[15:47] <mungbean> double or quits
[15:47] <SuperEngineer> munbean - ok, [&once again - bbs - hope]
[15:47] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[15:47]  * penguin42 doubts his new machine will beat the 47W of his 19 year old P90
[15:47] <mungbean> doing my massive dist-upgrade with only 3% left :S
[15:47] <mungbean> of disk space
[15:47] <penguin42> 3%  of what though?
[15:47] <mungbean> need to delte some kernels if this works
[15:47] <mungbean> /
[15:48] <mungbean> = /var /boot /etc /usr
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: atom + SSD ;)
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: maybe a NUC
[15:49] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: NUC under load: 27W ;)
[15:49] <MartijnVdS> D33217CK
[15:49] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: OK, that's interesting - I've bought what I believe is the same CPU in the NUCs - dual core 1.1GHz Celeron
[15:51] <mungbean> my first job in '96 used a compaq p90
[15:51] <penguin42> this P90 (through which this conversation is being NATd) was bought in '94
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> my first real PC was a 486-DX4-100 because a P90 was too expensive
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> clocked at 133
[15:52] <mungbean> haven't switched my desktop pc on in yonks
[15:52] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Yeh I think it cost me ~£2k in '94 including a 17" liyama monitor
[15:53] <MartijnVdS> iiyama had the best
[15:54] <penguin42> first job, disembowl the P400's chassis that I'm going to reuse the case from
[15:59] <mungbean> i throw away 5 years old machines all the time
[15:59] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: I just got another 5 year old machine to "fix"
[15:59] <MartijnVdS> i.e. rescue all data, reinstall OS
[16:01] <mungbean> down to 193MB
[16:02] <mungbean> finger hovering over rm command
[16:03] <mungbean> argh
[16:09] <mungbean> [no carrier]
[16:12] <MartijnVdS> +++ATZ
[16:14] <SuperEngineer>  double phew - nVidea updated - still got x [unlike last time].
[16:14] <SuperEngineer> Bonus - Steam has stopped whinging about getting me to "experimental" - at last!
[16:15] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: whoa!
[16:16] <SuperEngineer> thinking about Steam - any tried "Larry reloaded" [on Ubuntu] from Steam yet?
[16:16] <MartijnVdS> that exists on Ubuntu?!
[16:16] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: Spending € now
[16:16] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: that's exactly what I was wondering
[16:16] <mungbean> or that game where you are snooping around the house?
[16:16] <mungbean> the new one
[16:17] <mungbean> gone home?
[16:17] <mungbean> http://store.steampowered.com/app/232430/
[16:17] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: it installs fine
[16:18] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: wee
[16:18]  * SuperEngineer is about to spend as well
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> aaand.. done installing
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> ♫ Fibre-man, Fibre-man
[16:20] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[16:20] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: is it under wine or native?
[16:20] <mungbean> lots of linux games now
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> native, I think
[16:21] <SuperEngineer> weeee
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> it starts with the DOS soundtrack!
[16:21] <mungbean> i accidentally bought frak 69 for a friend when i was young (well my dad bougt it)
[16:21] <mungbean> i had frak
[16:21] <mungbean> we didn't realise frak 69 used a willie instead of a yoyo
[16:21] <mungbean> :-|
[16:21] <ali1234> wat
[16:21] <mungbean> i was 10yrs old
[16:22] <SuperEngineer> lol
[16:22] <mungbean> i just thought it was the commdore version of a family favourite
[16:33] <daubers> lo
[16:34] <daubers> Don't suppose AlanBell is around is he?
[16:41] <SuperEngineer> hmmm - this'll be interesting... had to try 3 times to purchase Larry [forgot to tick the agree to Steam's t&c" box - I wonder if I get get charged once or thrice
[16:43] <SuperEngineer> wee
[16:43] <SuperEngineer> whoopee! only once!
[16:44] <mungbean> can someone check the size of their pm-powersave and pm-suspend logs in /var/log?
[16:44] <SuperEngineer> [well done Steam /PP]
[16:47] <SuperEngineer> bbs [yet again... need to switch to £G dongle to download Larry - 10x faster than my "borrowed" connxn!  ;)
[16:52] <zleap> high flying teddy http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[16:53] <DJones> mungbean: pm-suspend.log is 0 and pm-powersave.log is 130606
[16:55] <mungbean> quite large
[16:55] <DJones> mungbean: More specifically http://pastebin.com/582jyM6s
[16:55] <DJones> I don't use suspend, so that probably explains the 0
[16:57] <mungbean> o bytes disk space during dist-upgrade is bad :(
[17:25] <SuperEngineer> hmmm - bigger disk needed - or ppre-warnings might be a damn site better!
[17:30] <popey> Afternoon
[17:41] <Myrtti> <george weasley>evening</george weasley>
[17:41] <penguin42> hey popey
[17:50] <SuperEngineer> does anyone know of a better way of removing Left for Dead 2 beta from Steam other than downloading it and then "remove all local content"- currently downloading 11.5 gig of unwanted stuff! [already have the non-beta game installed on Steam]
[17:52]  * SuperEngineer copies & pastes last to #ubuntu-steam
[17:57] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: OK, this box is running 20-21W in the Ubuntu alternate installer
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> nice
[18:12] <daftykins> i was down south on the island today
[18:12] <daftykins> took this nice little panorama of some Guernsey Cows
[18:12] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/jkl5zykebek9niy/PANO_20130824_153423.jpg
[19:14] <SuperEngineer> started downloading a purchased game - stopped it after advice* - deleted local content - but available disc space has fallen by 6G! How do I reclaim this disk space?
[19:14] <SuperEngineer> [* game was Left For Dead 2 Beta - I already have the non-beta version & perfectly satisfied with it].
[19:14] <SuperEngineer> Disk space should be freed - not kept!
[19:18] <shauno> you buy disks to not use them?
[19:31] <hamitron> SuperEngineer, .Trash?
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: nice one
[19:34] <hamitron> SuperEngineer, ~/.local/share/Trash
[19:39] <SuperEngineer> hamitron: now that's an idea
[19:40] <hamitron> could maybe be in temp storage for a torrent client, if you used that method :)
[19:42] <SuperEngineer> hamitron: not a torrent - and nah - ~/.local/share/Trash = 12.5kB
[19:42] <hamitron> how did you download and delete it?
[19:55] <SuperEngineer> hamitron: download via Steam App - paused, stopped , removed "all local content"
[19:56] <SuperEngineer> rebooted to see if space was still held - and it was
[19:56] <hamitron> ah, I've known steam leave stuff on windows
[19:57] <hamitron> not sure about the linux client, worth checking manually?
[19:57] <SuperEngineer> been doing that and hunting - can't find a sausage!
[19:58] <hamitron> :/
[19:58] <SuperEngineer> except this descrepency http://paste.ubuntu.com/6022613/
[19:58] <SuperEngineer> "." does not add up!
[19:59] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: note your .local
[19:59] <hamitron> yeh, is .local that big usually?
[19:59] <hamitron> haha
[19:59] <SuperEngineer> nope
[20:01] <hamitron> "~/.local/share/Steam by default"
[20:02] <hamitron> grrrr
[20:03] <hamitron> wish my amp on my motherboard would go louder for my front headphones port
[20:03] <penguin42> turn it up to 11?
[20:03] <hamitron> I can't have it at 100%
[20:03] <hamitron> get distortion
[20:03] <hamitron> :/
[20:03] <hamitron> well, for some songs anyway
[20:05] <hamitron> no worries, will just encourage me to get my amp repaired so i don't use these ports
[20:06] <hamitron> (another external amp, that is)
[20:22]  * bigcalm waddles in from Cafe Rouge
[20:24] <mungbean> how do i make unity faster on older PC? change active blur to ??
[20:24] <mungbean> anything else?
[20:24] <bigcalm> Replace the HDD with an SSD
[20:28] <mungbean> wow, static blur is extremely odd
[20:28] <mungbean> shows windows i had open some time ago
[20:28] <mungbean> bug 873076
[20:29] <mungbean> This package has been removed from Ubuntu. Closing all related bugs.
[20:29] <mungbean> wut
[20:35] <hamitron> mungbean, remove it?
[20:35] <hamitron> unity I mean
[20:35] <hamitron> ;)
[20:35] <mungbean> shared pc
[20:35] <mungbean> but when i recover some disk space i'm about to switch my last remaining pc to elementary desktop
[20:37] <penguin42> elementary?
[20:39] <hamitron> looks like Mac? :/
[20:42] <mungbean> in some respects
[20:42] <mungbean> although no global menu
[20:43] <mungbean> or craziness of ideas employed by gnome shell
[20:43] <mungbean> is the most enjoyable linux since i switched to ubuntu ~2005/6
[20:44] <mungbean> and v fast
[20:44] <penguin42> url?
[20:45] <mungbean> http://elementaryos.org/
[20:45] <hamitron> think I'm going to give win8 a go on a non-touch desktop
[20:46] <mungbean> haha
[20:46] <hamitron> see what all this fuss is about
[20:46] <mungbean> you will vomit and kill yourself
[20:46] <mungbean> and smash something
[20:46] <hamitron> well, I like windows phones and win8 on a touch screen laptop
[20:46] <hamitron> ;)
[20:47] <hamitron> do suspect it may feel un-natural with no touch display
[20:47] <hamitron> but it has better multi-monitor stuff than win7
[20:48] <hamitron> but I'm happier now my main rig is stable, with all memory installed
[20:48] <hamitron> vmware here I come
[20:51] <hamitron> tbh, to get what I want from an OS, would mean spending a lot of time putting together what I want
[20:51] <ali1234> win8 isn't really all that interesting
[20:51] <hamitron> and I really cba
[20:51] <ali1234> imagine windows 7 with start menu removed
[20:51] <ali1234> then imagine every 5 minutes a weird full screen thing that you don't understand pops up
[20:51] <ali1234> that's basically it
[20:51] <hamitron> haha
[20:52] <hamitron> I like that
[20:52] <hamitron> ;/
[20:52] <hamitron> the modern start menu has got too cluttered anyway
[20:52]  * hamitron likes LXDE
[20:52] <ali1234> lol
[20:52] <ali1234> well metro is about 100 times more cluttered
[20:52] <ali1234> but they made it look "not cluttered" by removing all the text
[20:52] <ali1234> so now it's a mess of icons
[20:53] <hamitron> on my laptop, I don't use the desktop that often tbh
[20:53] <hamitron> more like a tablet with a keyboard
[20:53] <hamitron> it works well for that
[20:53] <ali1234> how do you do anything at all?
[20:53] <hamitron> what you mean?
[20:53] <ali1234> how do you do anything at all on windows without using the desktop?
[20:54] <hamitron> it is for basic day-to-day things
[20:54] <ali1234> like for example, visit a web page
[20:54] <hamitron> email, web browsing, word processing
[20:54] <ali1234> the version of win8 i used, IE opened on the desktop
[20:54] <ali1234> metro did nothing at all
[20:54] <ali1234> except serve as a start menu replacement
[20:54] <hamitron> it can do, or it can run metro style
[20:55] <hamitron> I use the IE touch interface
[20:56] <hamitron> http://news.softpedia.com/images/extra/NEWS/large/iemetro.jpg
[20:57] <hamitron> I wouldn't mind knowing a good linux Desktop for touch displays
[20:57] <ali1234> android
[20:57] <hamitron> :/
[20:57] <hamitron> I hate android
[20:58] <hamitron> have never got the hang of it, the times I've played
[20:58] <hamitron> I miss the tiles from windows phone
[20:58] <hamitron> :/
[20:58] <ali1234> lol
[20:58] <hamitron> if I used it for a longer period of time, I may get used to it I suppose
[20:59] <hamitron> I did try android x86 on my laptop for a few hours too
[21:00] <hamitron> but too basic for a rig like that
[21:00] <ali1234> i don't think i've used my laptop even once since i got a nexus 7
[21:00] <hamitron> :)
[21:01] <hamitron> well, I was torn between the nexus 7 and the asus vivobook
[21:01] <hamitron> I went vivobook, thinking I can still run normal pc apps
[21:01] <hamitron> plus a keyboard
[21:01] <hamitron> this was before I had tasted win8
[21:02] <hamitron> I'm sure the nexus 7 will be better for more people
[21:03] <hamitron> just not me :)