[01:11] <OvenWerks> zequence: (and othes) -settings is ready for upload as soon as -menu and -installer make it to the wild.
[01:44] <OvenWerks> grub-common is quite heavily modified from debian. It would seem upstream could use a makeover/big_patch that allowed more flexability with how the menu was displayed based on one config file instead of ubuntu having to change a pile of things in lots of files.
[01:46] <OvenWerks> Many of these changes could be generic rather than ubuntu specific.
[09:52] <zequence> OvenWerks: Just get it uploaded now. We only have until tuesday after all
[09:52] <zequence> OvenWerks: Doesn't matter if the ISO breaks. 
[09:52] <zequence> Bugs can be dealed with after FF
[09:52] <zequence> micahg: YOu aren't around by any chance?
[12:27] <zequence> OvenWerks: I've asked to have it uploaded. A MOTU person said it would be nice to have it in a queue - following MOTU documentation about it did not clarify things much for me yet
[12:28] <zequence> Sort of like a maze
[12:30] <smartboyhw> zequence, it is like you report a bug and subscribe MOTU?
[12:40] <cub> Hi smartboyhw , I was suprised when running an update today on my 12.04.2 that I didn't get any updates.
[12:40] <smartboyhw> cub, because it's already 12.04.3
[12:41] <cub> and here I was hoping for some new gadget.
[12:41] <smartboyhw> cub, what new gadgets?
[12:42] <zequence> smartboyhw: Yes, I think that's the way it works
[12:42] <cub> I don't know. When there's an upgrade I just hope tp notice. :P
[12:42] <zequence> cub: Did they stop mocking you at work, or they laughed at the cropping on your cup?
[12:43] <zequence> anitklimax sort of thing
[12:43] <zequence> anticlimax*
[12:43] <cub> They have been quiet actually. 
[12:43] <cub> Now I'm trying to get work to pay for my Internetdagarna-ticket so I can get the chance to meet Jono.
[12:44] <cub> but good service from Spreadshirt to send a new one, no hassle.
[13:00] <OvenWerks> zequence: good call. Thanks. micah won't be around till later. 
[13:14] <smartboyhw> zequence, BTW, please post to social mediae about the 12.04.3 release.
[13:39] <cub> If  I would like to add a keyboard shortcut as deafult in the next release. Where in ubuntustudio-default-settings do I find that?
[13:40] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, ^
[13:40] <smartboyhw> cub, you will have to give us a justification of why that shortcut will be convenient to most users though:P
[13:41] <cub> I have two suggestions: ctrl + alt + t which is default in any other xfce release, except ubuntu studio
[13:41] <cub> and something to start Orca with on the live boot
[13:43] <smartboyhw> cub, for the second one: Maybe ask why Xubuntu didn't use it?
[13:43]  * smartboyhw thinks we inherit these from Xubuntu
[13:43] <smartboyhw> Oops, first one:P
[13:43] <smartboyhw> Second one we can add it
[13:43] <cub> yes, they have added it back now.
[13:43] <smartboyhw> cub, then why we didn't?
[13:43] <cub> I don't know?
[13:43] <smartboyhw> And maybe check where the shourtcuts are defined in Xubuntu?
[13:44] <cub> I have only traced it to "xubuntu-default-settings" but can't find where in there it is
[13:45] <cub> I figured someone might know right away instead of searching for it further
[14:28] <OvenWerks> cub I am sure we can find it.
[14:28] <OvenWerks> teh first thing is to find where it goes in your home directory
[14:31] <OvenWerks> perhaps /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml?
[14:32] <OvenWerks> property name="&lt;Super&gt;t" type="string" value="exo-open --launch TerminalEmulator"/>
[14:33] <OvenWerks> opps missed the < on the front of that
[14:35] <OvenWerks> To add that to ubuntustudio look for the same file, but replace the xdg-xubuntu with xdg-ubuntustudio.
[14:36] <OvenWerks> ubuntustudio-default-settings has had a lot of chnages, so you may wish to do a bzr pull to make sure it is mostly up to date.
[14:39] <OvenWerks> cub: just so you know, the first time you log in, that whole directory gets copied to your home directory in ~/.config/xfce4/
[14:40] <cub> ok, thanks for the info. I will poke around and get familiar before I actually will change anything.
[14:41] <OvenWerks> No problem. It may not make it for 13.10, but 14.04 should be fine.
[14:41] <cub> Why not? Isn't FF the 29th?
[14:42] <OvenWerks> It has been taking a lot of time just getting the packages released
[14:42] <cub> On the other hand, it might already be there if we pull anything from xubuntu
[14:42] <OvenWerks> No we don't, it is not there.
[14:42] <cub> aha and another change in the default-settings require a new release?
[14:43] <OvenWerks> not yet.
[14:43] <OvenWerks> we are waiting for someone to help us release it.
[14:43] <cub> ok
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Well, if it is just a keyboard shortcut change, I will rather opt for applying for a FFe.
[14:43] <OvenWerks> so changes today should be ok.
[14:43] <smartboyhw> After FF
[14:44] <cub> It would be good to be able to add as UBuntu CTRL + S to start Orca on the live session.
[14:44] <OvenWerks> Is that what xubuntu does?
[14:44] <cub> no "normal" ubuntu
[14:45] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, does Xubuntu include Orca in the first place?
[14:45] <cub> xubuntu doesn't include orca
[14:45] <cub> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility
[14:45] <OvenWerks> If xubuntu's shortcuts are mostly the same, we could import their file as is.
[14:45] <cub> Starting Orca on the Live CD
[14:45] <cub> download and burn the Ubuntu ISO boot from it wait until you hear a sound from your sound card. This may take several minutes on a CD drive. press CTRL+s Within a few minutes, Ubuntu will be loaded with Orca running"
[14:46] <smartboyhw> cub, live session ONLY?
[14:46] <cub> I'm not sure, but when discussed I think knome said they had included it again
[14:46] <cub> smartboyhw, yes live only. Otherwise it might collide with the other standard ctrl+s I suppose
[14:47] <OvenWerks> If that happens before xfce loads it is not a shortcut
[14:47] <smartboyhw> cub, what if Ctrl+S is included in live?
[14:47] <cub> that's what I was going to check when asking about the files :)
[14:48] <cub> It's a rather strange choice, I think, but if Ubuntu use it it might be good to try to keep the same.
[14:48] <OvenWerks> cub does the control s have to happen while plymouth is still running?
[14:49] <OvenWerks> (ubuntu on screen with moving dots?)
[14:49] <cub> no it's once the session is loaded and you can click the "Install" icon
[14:49] <OvenWerks> ok
[14:50] <cub> however, a blind person wouldn't be able to tell if plymouth is running still or not
[14:50] <cub> and might press ctrl+s too early. Would that mess something up?
[14:50] <cub> :D
[14:50] <OvenWerks> But it sounds like the sound doesn't happen till the session starts
[14:50] <cub> I think it refers to the old drum roll
[14:51] <OvenWerks> That is orca gets loaded as part of the session.
[14:51] <cub> which is not there anymore is it?
[14:53] <OvenWerks> I think what you have is a script that gets run from the session startup that looks for a ctl s and then once the user has selected it... the autostart has it added.
[14:53] <cub> I think we could also do a wiki for the accessibility installation and instead do "press ALT+F2 and type 'orca --replace'"
[14:54] <cub> No need for keyboard shortcut, but requires the person to type alright without a screen reader
[14:54] <cub> sadly though, the last apt-get upgrade made orca not running at all in Saucy.
[14:56] <OvenWerks> cub: one other difficulty with orca and studio... is that with some of the (semi)pro audio cards come up silent.
[14:57] <OvenWerks> I would think a blind person would have their internal audio connected though... (I don't)
[14:57]  * OvenWerks disables internal audio in bios
[15:08] <cub> Before the initial installtion one could hope that the internal audio is connected
[15:09] <OvenWerks> I think a blind person is more likely to leave the internal sound active
[15:10] <OvenWerks> cub: -settings is being reviewed now. SO I can't add anything.
[15:10] <cub> Ok
[15:12] <OvenWerks> cub: I would suggest you put a bug in marked "wishlist" and mark yourself as "assigned to"
[15:12] <cub> I'm not sure that the Ubuntu Accessibility page is up to date either. My tests on Ubuntu Saucy the shortcut didn't work and the screen reader kind of worked but read "Menu icon", Menu icon, menu icon for everything which wasn't really helpful when trying to find like firefox. :D
[15:13] <cub> OvenWerks, for the ctrl+alt+t?
[15:13] <OvenWerks> a work in progress then.
[15:13] <OvenWerks> yes
[15:13] <cub> ah ok
[15:13] <cub> bbl
[15:16] <OvenWerks> cub: when you do the change log after you have added it, put (lp: #bugnumber) at the end of your line and use debcommit. That will auto add the --fixes to the commit which will clear the bug when that is released.
[16:16] <cub> Any particular reason Ubuntu Studio ship gedit instead of mousepad?
[16:16] <holstein> i prefer it
[16:16] <holstein> it can be changed..
[16:17] <holstein> i think it was to stay more like main ubuntu and the older ubuntustudio
[16:17] <cub> nah I use neither. Was just reading on applications that work well with Orca.
[16:17] <holstein> less change all at once at least
[16:17] <OvenWerks> cub: that was what was voted at the time.
[16:17] <holstein> yeah.. and i might have been the deciding vote or whatever.. but im with you guys
[16:18]  * smartboyhw likes gedit
[16:18] <smartboyhw> Sorry:P
[16:19] <OvenWerks> we have no reason to use a minimal editor. We are not trying to save space. We already have the libs anyway. gedit has more "usefulness"
[16:19] <smartboyhw> cub, does mousepad give you code syntax support?
[16:28] <OvenWerks> cub: I think mouse pad had problems at the time as well.
[16:30] <OvenWerks> xubuntu was using leafpad at the time
[17:29] <OvenWerks> some of our branches have been updated to a new bzr version.
[17:30] <OvenWerks> be warned you may have to rebranch to use them... so don't do much work without trying a pull first... and rebranch if  needed.
[17:33] <cub> Ah no I have no interest in mousepad. I was just reading up on Orca and Xfce and it came up that mousepad apparently worked well with Orca, while other applications didn't. I think from a Orca POV gedit is better since Orca comes from Gnome.
[17:55] <OvenWerks> zequence, knome, TheDrums, micahg: We now have two packages in proposed (and one in new), is there action we need to take? or will they get to the wild on their own?
[17:56] <OvenWerks> After monkeying around google and ubuntu search engines, I am not finding anything usefull
[18:24] <zequence> OvenWerks: I think they are automatically transferred after a little while, not sure actually
[18:25] <zequence> That's for the packages in -proposed
[18:26] <zequence> I have no idea about new
[18:30] <TheDrums> For Debian NEW, it just takes a little time, and for Ubuntu proposed, things get lined up and make sure there's no breakage.
[21:07] <OvenWerks> holstein: so far as I know, Ardour will start jackd if it is not running. The problem is it starts jackd and not jackdbus
[21:07] <OvenWerks> killall -9 jackd fixes that though.
[21:39] <OvenWerks> zequence: Are we still supporting 10.04? There is a (or more bugs) against ubuntustudio-menu in that era. Can I at least mark it as won't fix?
[21:52] <OvenWerks> No I can't ok Invalid then...