[01:03] <LMessi10__> Hello everyone, I have a question. I have a not so new netbook, it is 1.6GHz and 2MB of RAM with HD of 140GB... it is currently with Windows XP, but I was thinking on switching to Linux. Do you guys think Xubuntu 13.04 will have a better performance on it? Or should I stick with XP or maybe a different version of Linux? Thanks,
[01:05] <Viva_Nero> I've ran it on lower spec systems and it puts xp pro to shame
[01:06] <knome> LMessi10__, just make sure you can run a PAE-enabled kernel if you're about to instlal 13.04
[01:06] <knome> !pae
[01:06] <knome> hmm, that was less than helpful
[01:09] <LMessi10__> nice, I gave a try on Linux running together with Windows, looked kind of nice, so I was thinking of formating and installing just Xubuntu on it. Also, which one is the most lightweight web browser for Linux? anyone you guys would recommend outside of Chrome/Firefox?
[01:09] <Unit193> Xombrero. :D
[01:11] <LMessi10__> oh, I never heard about it, I'll search for it. Is it really nice?
[01:12] <Unit193> Well, slight crashing issue at times, but less so on the other computer.  Very keyboard based.  Another browser was some nice modified webkit one, can't remember the name and not in repos.
[01:15] <LMessi10__> Unit193, found the xombrero here... will give it a try.
[01:16] <LMessi10__> Unit193, is there another way to install this browser other than command line? I followed these steps and after the command "make" it failed: https://opensource.conformal.com/wiki/xombrero_linux
[01:18] <Unit193> LMessi10__: There is no official package in the Ubuntu or Debian repos, you either have to compile it yourself, or use an untrusted repo.
[01:21] <LMessi10__> Unit193, oh, that's disappointing. I'll try to understand what went wrong... but since I'm new with this don't know if I'll make it... well.. thanks man!
[01:22] <knome> LMessi10__, if you are building packages, you'll need to install at least build-essential
[01:24] <LMessi10__> knome: well, apparently I do have this "build-essential", apparently it came with Xubuntu...
[01:24] <knome> hmm, shouldn't be in by default but it's likely something else has pulled it.
[01:25] <Unit193> libwebkitgtk-dev, libgtk2.0-dev, libsoup2.4-dev, libgnutls-dev, libbsd-dev, and maybe imagemagick are needed if you're going to compile the gtk2 version.  (I have an untrusted repo, myself.)
[01:25] <LMessi10__> what went wrong is, when I typed the command "make" it didn't find a few packages:
[01:25] <LMessi10__> No package 'gtk+-3.0' found
[01:25] <LMessi10__> Package webkitgtk-3.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[01:25] <LMessi10__> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `webkitgtk-3.0.pc'
[01:25] <LMessi10__> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[01:25] <LMessi10__> No package 'webkitgtk-3.0' found
[01:25] <knome> !pastebin | LMessi10__
[01:29] <LMessi10__> Unit193, well, I do have all of them, they came with Xubuntu
[01:29] <knome> LMessi10__, you'll also need lib* if you build.
[01:30] <Unit193> ...Xubuntu doesn't come with -dev packages.
[01:31] <LMessi10__> well, maybe while I was trying a few other stuff here I installed them with some packages... but they are all installed
[01:32] <Unit193> And will have to make with GTK_VERSION=gtk2
[01:33] <LMessi10__> hmmm, what is that and how do I install it?
[01:34] <Unit193> export GTK_VERSION=gtk2  then  make
[01:35] <LMessi10__> should I type this in the terminal?
[01:35] <Unit193> Or just try https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/test/+files/xombrero_1.6.3-1%7Eraring1_i386.deb or https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/test/+files/xombrero_1.6.3-1%7Eraring1_amd64.deb in raring.
[01:35] <Unit193> Yes.
[01:37] <Unit193> https://opensource.conformal.com/fluxbb/viewtopic.php?id=975
[01:39] <LMessi10__> Unit193,  hey man, the first link that you sent me worked. Just installed here
[01:40] <LMessi10__> knome, Unit193, thanks guys!
[01:40] <Unit193> Sure.
[01:44] <Viva_Nero> How do I boot into a shell without X starting?
[01:45] <Unit193> In the grub boot prompt, hit 'e' and where it says 'quiet splash' add a 'text' too.
[01:46] <Viva_Nero> and on reboot, edit the command again to remove text?
[01:47] <Unit193> If you edit it at boot time, it'll only be for that boot.
[01:47] <Viva_Nero> mkay, brb again then
[02:07] <Viva_Nero> quiet splash wasn't listed anywhere, text just threw an error and made the boot hang, and the root shell in recovery mode acted really weird
[02:08] <holstein> the shell acted?
[02:08] <knome> Viva_Nero, what is the real thing you are trying to do?
[02:08] <holstein> Viva_Nero: what are you trying to do?
[02:08] <Viva_Nero> is there a way i can just shut down everything x related cleanly after booting nomrally?
[02:08] <holstein> Viva_Nero: why not just get a server install.. or minimal
[02:08] <Viva_Nero> trying to install graphics drivers, and they keep throwing an error because x is running
[02:08] <holstein> !mini
[02:09] <holstein> Viva_Nero: you can use tty to install drivers
[02:09] <Viva_Nero> though i don't remember having to do any of this last time
[02:09] <holstein> Viva_Nero: if you can remember what version of ubuntu you were running last time you could install it.. maybe you would have an easier time with 12.04
[02:10] <knome> Viva_Nero, can't install them with the additional drivers GUI?
[02:10] <Viva_Nero> got them off nvidia's site
[02:10] <knome> Viva_Nero, do you have problems with what is shipped in ubuntu?
[02:11] <Viva_Nero> I've installed thier drivers once, but they're horribly out of date now
[02:11] <Viva_Nero> and what comes with the system never works for me
[02:11] <holstein> Viva_Nero: "out of date" wont matter much
[02:12] <holstein> Viva_Nero: try the ones in the repo, or you will need to seek support where you get the drivers
[02:12] <knome> Viva_Nero, if the proprietary nvidia drivers from the repository work, then use those
[02:12] <holstein> Viva_Nero: in what way do the included ones not work?
[02:12] <knome> Viva_Nero, otherwise you are trying to fix a non-problem
[02:13] <knome> anyway, i got to hit the sack
[02:13] <knome> good night and good luck
[02:13] <holstein> knome: o/
[02:13] <Viva_Nero> the outdate drivers I have aren't working with wine
[02:13] <Viva_Nero> (I just installed wine today)
[02:13] <holstein> Viva_Nero: wine likely wont support what you are trying to do, regardless
[02:14] <holstein> Viva_Nero: wine wont benefit from newer code for your graphics driver, AFAIK
[02:15] <holstein> Viva_Nero: it the card is supported, and working, thats really it.. if you have issues with wine, i would troubleshoot them as such.. issues with wine..
[02:16] <Viva_Nero> Hmm, will the current package install 319.17?
[02:16] <holstein> !ati
[02:16] <holstein> Viva_Nero: ^ i refer to that
[02:16] <holstein> or, i just update the sources, and use the GUI
[02:22] <Viva_Nero> it doesn't say what line to use to shutdown and start x on xubuntu
[02:24] <holstein> Viva_Nero: well, xubuntu is a desktop OS, and its planned that one would just boot it, and run it.. you are tyring to do something quite unique, and arguably necssary
[02:24] <holstein> you should be able to switch to TTY and do what you need to do
[02:25] <holstein> Viva_Nero: i would run the driver in the repos.. your wine issues are not grahpics driver related
[02:29] <Viva_Nero> hmm, the shell isn't letting me stop x
[02:29] <Unit193> sudo service lightdm stop
[02:30] <Viva_Nero> I just tried using that one, it switched from the shell to the gui window
[02:31] <Viva_Nero> and won't let me swtich back
[02:31] <Viva_Nero> *switch
[02:32] <Viva_Nero> and the driver installer is still complaining about x running
[02:33] <holstein> Viva_Nero: the driver from the repos?
[02:34] <Viva_Nero> I had no clue getting the system to run without x was so tricky o_e
[02:35] <holstein> Viva_Nero: just dont install X
[02:35] <holstein> Viva_Nero: i typically just use the GUI to install the proprietar driver, or switch to tty
[02:36] <Viva_Nero> tried starting x, still can't switch back to a shell
[02:37] <holstein> Viva_Nero: i thought you were asking about how to *not* start x?
[02:37] <holstein> Viva_Nero: you are trying to switch via tty?
[02:43] <Steve__> hello im trying to get xubuntu to boot from a flash drive.
[02:43] <Steve__> can anyone help
[02:43] <Steve__> I im on windows 7 now
[02:43] <Unit193> Does your BIOS support it?  Is that Win7 a UEFI system?
[02:43] <Viva_Nero> is it installed on the flash drive and not booting properly, or you want to install it on a flash drive?
[02:43] <Unit193> http://www.linuxliveusb.com/ tried this yet?
[02:44] <Steve__> yes I canged it to boot from USB
[02:44] <Steve__> I do not have it at all
[02:49] <Viva_Nero> So i just installed the nvidia current package
[02:49] <Viva_Nero> but it didn't install new drivers
[02:50] <Viva_Nero> still on 304.88
[02:50] <holstein> Viva_Nero: it'll be adding things to the kernel that require rebooting.. and you'll need to purge whatever you have done so far
[02:51] <Unit193> IIRC, h2 said that the site drivers have issues installing if you've installed from the repos, but could be wrong.
[02:51] <holstein> Viva_Nero: what would i do? i would reinstall since you have a pretty fresh install, and i have literally installed a few operating system while chatting with you... and come here or try the wine channel for the wine issue
[02:52] <Viva_Nero> would the current updates package instead have any effect?
[02:52] <holstein> Viva_Nero: because, they are drastically changing the kernel
[03:01] <aegis8> anyone know why the file manager crashed when I unmount my iphone? It worked just fine a minute ago...
[03:02] <aegis8> now it cant even open the phone to view the files
[03:02] <Viva_Nero> nope, no effect
[03:02] <holstein> aegis8: crashed? sometimes, the light ones close when you unmount
[03:02] <holstein> aegis8: unplug and replug the USB
[03:03] <Viva_Nero> any way to force it to install current drivers?
[03:04] <holstein> Viva_Nero: current? you mean the ones in the repo?
[03:04] <holstein> Viva_Nero: there are unsupported PPA's that add updated drivers... but, that is *not* the issue with wine
[03:05] <aegis8> viva, if your computer has optimus (the ability to switch between integrated graphics and a graphics card), then installing the drivers is a lost cause.
[03:06] <Viva_Nero> the only graphics on my system is the nvidia chipest
[03:06] <aegis8> ok than good luck! I spent about a week with nvidia support only to have them tell me what I told you
[03:07] <Viva_Nero> Ugh, it wasn't this hard to get graphics to work from scratch
[03:07] <Viva_Nero> why is a (seemingly simple) update so much worse?
[03:07] <holstein> Viva_Nero: you mean, to get wine to work.. you said graphics were fine
[03:07] <holstein> Viva_Nero: you updated to packages outside the default repos
[03:08] <holstein> Viva_Nero: and, that will not address the wine issue
[03:09] <Viva_Nero> :T
[03:09] <Viva_Nero> don't know if I ever mentioned, but I'm a laptop with all graphics via an nvidia gpu
[03:10] <holstein> Viva_Nero: i am too
[03:10] <holstein> Viva_Nero: i have one with optiums.. a desktp with nvidia.. i literally install the package from the repos, if i dont want to use the open one
[03:10] <aegis8> the file manager is still trying to mount my phone. There's a spinning icon next to the name of my phone that's been there for ~5 minutes
[03:11] <holstein> aegis8: ? dont wait 5 minutes.. i didnt think iphones mounted as a drive
[03:12] <aegis8> it mounted before (if I am using the term correctly). I could open the files, see my DCIM folder and see all the pictures I had taken, etc.
[03:12] <holstein> aegis8: there is no "should".. only what you can get away with using hardware places its not intended to be used
[03:13] <holstein> !iphone
[03:17] <aegis8> for some reason, my phone was connected in two instances or something. That website mentioned gigolo which I used to disconnect one instance. it works now! thanks!
[03:21] <holstein> aegis8: i like gigolo actually.. and use it routinely as well :)
[03:25] <Viva_Nero> I know a way to crash x, but it's a crapshoot what breaks first- the program crashes, the whole system locks up, or x dies :3
[03:27] <holstein> Viva_Nero: i experience no crashes
[04:03] <ran_> i need help
[04:03] <holstein> ran_: just ask.. if a volunteer can help, they will
[04:07] <ran_> i'm using xubuntu 13.04 and there is a process called /usr/bin/find  / -ignore_readdir_race theat starts up every day and it takes 300MB - 400MB from memory.
[04:08] <ran_> this process is started by user nobody
[04:09] <ran_> sometimes this process starts when there is a system update to download.
[04:13] <ran_> my memory jumps from 280mb at start, to 800mb after this process starting.
[04:14] <ran_> i'm sorry about my english.
[04:15] <Unit193> Looks like /etc/cron.daily/locate
[04:16] <ran_> this is normal?
[04:16] <Viva_Nero> Your English is better than a lot of native speakers I know, you're fine.
[04:16] <ran_> thanks!
[04:46] <jazzdude00021> Hello all... anyone willing to help out with a small internet issue for a new install?
[04:47] <holstein> jazzdude00021: just ask, and a volunteer will help if they can
[04:48] <jazzdude00021> Great thanks... so my NIC works just fine from the Live USB that I'm installing from, but it does not work at all once installed
[04:48] <jazzdude00021> I'm running off the live disk now, waiting for (re)-install to complete...
[04:49] <holstein> jazzdude00021: i might look for and apply upgrades and test... otherwise, the difference could be this.. you download upgrades during the install, and the new kernel doesnt support your networking devices
[04:49] <momodi> hi, everyone. there always is a title bar on chromium, how can I remove it? I'm using Xubuntu 13.04
[04:50] <SunStar> yeah i've been having trouble with USB wifi support in 13.04. running 12.10 as a workaround
[04:50] <jazzdude00021> Alright... if all else fails, I'll keep it offline during install and see if that fixes it
[04:50] <holstein> momodi: in the menu at the top, as i suggested in the other channel "use system title and borders". does that work for you?
[04:50] <jazzdude00021> reboot time... thanks all
[04:50] <SunStar> momodi, press F11?
[04:51] <momodi> It woks,thanks!
[04:52] <ran_> i need help please.
[04:53] <SunStar> well i cant help you untill i know what you need help with?
[04:53] <ran_> i'm using xubuntu 13.04 and there is a process called /usr/bin/find  / -ignore_readdir_race theat starts up every day and it takes 300MB - 400MB from memory.
[04:53] <ran_> this process is started by user nobody.
[04:53] <ran_> sometimes this process starts when there is a system update to download.
[04:53] <ran_> my memory jumps from 280mb at start, to 800mb after this process starting.
[04:54] <ran_> maybe it's memory leak?
[04:57] <momodi> ran_: maybe you should check it's parent process?
[05:01] <ran_> i think it is a parent process, and with it a root process is also runs called  /usr/bin/sort -z -f.
[05:04] <ran_> the problem is that after this process ends, the memory is 400mb more, until i reboot.
[05:04] <momodi> so, you just what the memory back?
[05:05] <ran_> yes.
[05:05] <ran_> i have 4G ram.
[05:06] <momodi> Linux always  uses buffered or cached.
[05:07] <ran_> yes i know, but it only started from 13.04.
[05:08] <ran_> this was not happening before.
[05:10] <ran_> this is why i think that this is memory leak.
[05:10] <ran_> and not buffer cache.
[05:11] <momodi> A memory leak only happens when the program is running.
[05:12] <momodi> the memory should be returned to system when you close the program.
[05:12] <ran_> yes its happen when it runs.
[05:12] <ran_> this is what im talking about. the memory not back.
[05:13] <momodi> then who are taking this memory?
[05:14] <ran_> i want to be clear: the system starts this process automatically.
[05:15] <ran_> the /usr/bin/find  / -ignore_readdir_race process by user nobody starts automatically by the system
[05:15] <momodi> and when the process is done, the memory does not return to the system?
[05:16] <ran_> no. that is the problem im talking about.
[05:17] <momodi> the process find use lots of "hard disk", maybe the system buffered that memory.
[05:18] <momodi> when the process has disk IO, the system will buffer the data to memory.
[05:18] <ran_> yes i know, but the question is it normal.
[05:19] <momodi> then, your memory is back. no memory leak?
[05:20] <momodi> the strange thing is who starts the process "find"?
[05:21] <ran_> it starts by user nobody, and it starts automatically by the system.
[05:21] <ran_> im not start this process manually.
[05:22] <momodi> maybe you should check some scripts, like crontab ?
[05:22] <ran_> where is that script?
[05:23] <momodi> If it is not started by a parent process, it must be started by some scripts.
[05:23] <momodi> you can type : crontab -e
[05:24] <ran_> i want to say also that this process is starting when there is a system update.
[05:24] <momodi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cron
[05:25] <momodi> Maybe it's a normal process, we can just ignore it?
[05:26] <ran_> i do think that is a normal process, but its not normal to take 400mb from the system and not back.
[05:27] <ran_> and its interesting the this is happen from 13.04, not before.
[05:28] <momodi> we just talked about it, the system buffers 400mb data because "find" ran
[05:28] <momodi> because "find" reads much disk IO data.
[05:29] <ran_> that why i think that there is something wrong here, maybe a bug or memory leak.
[05:29] <momodi> I don't think it's a memory leak, your buffered memory will be back when the free memory is low.
[05:30] <momodi> Linux system will try to use all your memory to be cached or buffered.
[05:30] <ran_> this is never happened.
[05:31] <ran_> and the system starts to using the swap because of that.
[05:31] <momodi> you can run that command on other Linux system, the memory should also be buffered.
[05:33] <ran_> so you say that this normal? even if this was not happened before 13.04?
[05:33] <momodi> I think the memory problem is normal.
[05:33] <momodi> but why that "find" command runs, it's weird
[05:34] <ran_> it is running when there is a system update notification.
[05:35] <ran_> and at least once in a day.
[05:36] <momodi> I don't have this issue...I'm using xubuntu 13.04
[05:36] <momodi> and I searched this, but find nothing
[05:36] <momodi> https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&gbv=2&q=-ignore_readdir_race&oq=-ignore_readdir_race&gs_l=serp.3...0.0.0.16051.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c..25.serp..0.0.0.PMmiO30-gsk
[05:38] <ran_> ok, thanks for help, i will check this cron script, and i hope this problem will not back in 13.10
[05:39] <momodi> :)
[07:22] <persianmg> Can someone help me
[07:23] <persianmg> pls
[07:23] <TheSheep> !hi | persianmg
[07:24] <persianmg> Hello! I have a broken copy of 12.04 xubuntu on my vmware so im currently installing the new 13.04 on as a new virtual machine
[07:25] <persianmg> Can I get a list of installed packages from the broken install? I only have root command line access, all user accounts/GUI logins are broken
[07:30] <TheSheep> dpkg -l
[07:35] <persianmg> Thank you TheSheep! That did it
[07:35] <persianmg> Anyway I can mass install from this list? Would a shell script that took each package as an argument and fed it to: sudo apt-get install $packagename work?
[07:36] <Unit193> !clone
[07:37] <Unit193> ubottu: lag
[07:37] <Unit193> !clone
[07:37] <Unit193> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « aptitude  --display-format '%p'  search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude
[07:37] <Unit193>  --schedule-only install < my-pakages ; sudo aptitude install » (this may cause problems with multiarch before 12.10) - See aelso  !automate
[07:38] <xubuntu599> test
[07:41] <kedgen> When downloading an application that contains its own executable and doesn't require an installation, where do people generally put these applications?
[07:42] <well_laid_lawn> either in /usr/local/bin or ~/bin
[07:42] <well_laid_lawn> I'd generally be sus about an executable like that tho
[07:42] <kedgen> Well one example is Processing
[07:42] <well_laid_lawn> one example of what ?
[07:42] <kedgen> As far as I know there's not an installation process
[07:43] <Unit193> I randomly put scripts and such in ~/junk/, ~/Public/, ~/bin/ and maybe others. :P
[07:43] <kedgen> well_laid_lawn an example of an executable like that that doesn't require an installation
[07:43] <well_laid_lawn> what is Processing? never heard of it
[07:43] <well_laid_lawn> I'd be sus of it
[07:43] <kedgen> Processing is a really cool graphics programming language
[07:44] <kedgen> processing.org
[07:44] <kedgen> check it out!
[07:44] <well_laid_lawn> c > *
[07:44] <kedgen> Yeah maybe but Processing is a good and easy to learn and use program for graphics programming
[07:45] <kedgen> they are good at different things
[07:45] <kedgen> C is far faster and has many many more possibilities, but it's not better in every single way
[07:45] <well_laid_lawn> there's nothing I can't do with C and a long runup
[07:45] <well_laid_lawn> ;)
[07:45] <kedgen> :)
[07:46] <well_laid_lawn> every new language is supposed to be great, easy and cool. C has been around 50 something years...
[07:47] <well_laid_lawn> roughly
[07:47] <kedgen> Yeah I mean you'll get no argument from me, C is better
[07:47] <kedgen> and faster!
[07:47] <kedgen> much much much much faste
[07:47] <kedgen> r
[07:47]  * TheSheep looks toward #xubuntu-offtopic
[07:47]  * TheSheep rises an eyebrow
[07:48]  * kedgen gets the hint
[11:31] <aguitel> how make more faster xubuntu ? or more light
[11:32] <TheSheep> what do you do on it?
[11:32] <TheSheep> you can make more light by turning your monitor brightness up
[11:33] <aguitel> i installed xubuntu 13.04 ,but is heavy ,
[11:40] <TheSheep> aguitel: what do you mean by "heavy"?
[11:41] <bekks> It has no weight, since you dont feel the electrons.
[11:41] <aguitel> this is old pc
[11:42] <aguitel> i wnat minimal xfce
[11:43] <bekks> Then uninstall everything you dont want/need.
[11:43] <aguitel> but ,how install minimal xfce with ubuntu netinstall ?
[11:44] <bekks> Install xubuntu using netinstall, and uninstall everything you dont want/need.
[11:44] <aguitel> this is no way
[11:45] <bekks> That is the only way.
[11:45] <aguitel> learn debian
[11:45] <bekks> I wont. I am using Ubuntu and I am totally not interested in using Debian.
[11:48] <well_laid_lawn> if you manage what starts it is more the apps you use that make it heavy not the distro
[12:44] <Monkeytoe> I am installing xubuntu onto a desktop ... i7 3930k, 32 gigs of ram & an ocz vertex 3 max iops 240 gig ssd
[12:44] <Monkeytoe> with that much memory should I still be running a swap partition?
[12:44] <bekks> Monkeytoe: Do you want to use suspend?
[12:44] <Monkeytoe> yeah
[12:45] <bekks> Then you need 32.1GB swap.
[12:46] <Monkeytoe> will using swap slow the system down in any way?
[12:46] <bekks> No.
[12:46] <bekks> It will slow it down once your system has to swap. But you have 32GB of RAM.
[12:46] <Monkeytoe> ah
[12:47] <xubuntu078> does any1 know how to install usb wifi on xubuntu?
[12:48] <Monkeytoe> I assume when you say suspend you mean suspend to disk right? I would still be able to sleep the computer and trickle power to the memory right?
[12:48] <Monkeytoe> not enthused about losing so much ssd space to swap
[12:49] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu078: bluntly put, if you plug it in and it works it's fine... otherwise you likely have an incompatible wifi dongle
[12:49] <pmjdebruijn> playing with external wifi drivers isn't much fun at all
[12:49] <xubuntu078> nah it doesnt work
[12:49] <pmjdebruijn> getting a replacement dongle typically is the best approach since they're cheap
[12:50] <xubuntu078> but if i try to install right drivers its showing me some errors
[12:50] <pmjdebruijn> sure it does
[12:50] <pmjdebruijn> external drivers tend to be crap
[12:50] <xubuntu078> damn it
[12:50] <pmjdebruijn> basically in a (half a ) year or so, the dongle will likely be supported out of the box
[12:51] <pmjdebruijn> but until then, you're likely to waste a huge amount of time, surpassing the dongle value many times
[12:51] <pmjdebruijn> that's the blunt truth :)
[12:51] <pmjdebruijn> getting the right hardware will save you a lot of aggravation and time
[12:52] <Monkeytoe> the other question I have... I have a GTX titan... will it work correctly in nix?
[12:52] <pmjdebruijn> generally speaking Intel Graphics tends to work the best
[12:52] <pmjdebruijn> but most nVidia cards can be made to work with a little effort
[12:55] <Monkeytoe> and if I want to use full drive encryption... will not having a swap drive affect that at all?
[12:56] <Monkeytoe> err swap partition
[12:56] <bekks> Without swap, you cant suspend.
[12:58] <Monkeytoe> so roughly im looking about 35 gigs used up from the install then?
[12:58] <Monkeytoe> xubuntu + swap ?
[12:59] <bekks> You will use more than 3GB for xubuntu.
[13:04] <Monkeytoe> k so ive got /dev/sdb1 partitioned ext2 @ 2 gigs.. if I just make a new partition for swap space it complains about the swap partition being unencrypted when I select the rest of the space for encryption... so I assume I have to make two separate volumes for encryption... one for swap one for / ?
[13:06] <Monkeytoe> or is there a way in the xubuntu installer to add lvms in the encrypted partition?
[13:06] <bekks> You dont need 2G for sdb1.
[13:07] <Monkeytoe> am wanting space for at least a second kernel .. shrink to 1g?
[13:07] <bekks> shrink to 512m
[13:08] <bekks> Kernels are not that big.
[13:08] <Monkeytoe> k
[13:10] <Monkeytoe> ext2 the best choice for /boot?
[13:11] <bekks> For me, it is. If you have to ask that question, just use ext4. :)
[13:14] <Monkeytoe> you booting from a usb or something?
[13:14] <bekks> No.
[13:16] <Monkeytoe> ok got my /boot created /deb/sdb1 ext4 512 megs
[13:17] <Monkeytoe> do I just take the rest of the free space and mark it as "physical volume for encryption" ?
[13:17] <bekks> I dont use encryption at all.
[13:17] <bekks> For me, thats just a waste of resources.
[15:27] <b3nw> hi, I noticed on http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ the 12.04 links are not valid
[15:27] <b3nw> specifically the Torrent links for Desktop / Alternate
[15:28] <baizon> knome: ?
[17:00] <gugi> i've installed xubuntu 13.04  but i don't know how to install propietary drivers what can ido
[17:00] <gugi> ?
[17:01] <bekks> Which drivers exactly do you want to install?
[17:01] <Viva_Nero> Have you installed restrcited extras?
[17:01] <gugi> i have amd sempron
[17:02] <holstein> gugi: you might not need any.. that is a CPU, and you dont need any there
[17:02] <bekks> gugi: amd sempron is the CPU. It dont need any drivers.
[17:03] <gugi> well i don't remember what propietary drivers i had but i remember that i had some propietary drivers installed when i had linux mint
[17:03] <bekks> gugi: For which hardware?
[17:04] <gugi> i think nvidia but i don't remember well, linux mint detected my drivers, why xubuntu don't do that?
[17:04] <holstein> gugi: i would say, use the machine, and dont assume you need any drivers at all.. if something is not working, say *exacly* what that something is, and a volunteer can hep you
[17:04] <gugi> ok
[17:04] <holstein> gugi: you dont *need* an nvidia driver, potentially.. though, if you want one, it can be installed
[21:29] <knome> b3nw, torrent links updated. thanks for the heads up.
[22:06] <xubuntu769> Hello.  today there were several updates. Everything seemed fine until it gave me an error, involing software center. Anyone else getting this or is it just me?
[22:07] <SunStar> let me see
[22:08] <SunStar> gonna take 7 minute to download  >_<
[22:09] <bekks> xubuntu769: Without telling us the error - no. :)
[22:11] <xubuntu769> This is what Synaptic tells me, "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/software-center_5.2.9_all.deb: symbolic link '/usr/share/gnome/help/software-center/ne/software-center.xml' size has changed from 61 to 3"
[23:00] <Monkeytoe> Hello, I just installed xubuntu. Firefox is not working right at all.  All the sites look garbled like this. http://postimg.org/image/g0byug07r/
[23:00] <Monkeytoe> I tried uninstalling and reinstalling firefox through ubuntu software center, but that didnt help
[23:01] <Monkeytoe> I also installed chrome to test if it would work right, and chrome works just fine.
[23:02] <Monkeytoe> But I would like to get firefox to work so I can use noscript.
[23:10] <GridCube_> Monkeytoe, you haven't messed with firefox options at all?
[23:11] <GridCube_> you can try to start firefox with a clean new profile, start it like: firefox -ProfileManager