[09:54] <ChrisMorgan> The latest updates have changed the keyboard input stuff significantly; I had Caps Lock mapped to Backspace with the old scheme, but the new UI doesn't seem to expose any way of achieving the same result. How can I do it?
[10:00] <ChrisMorgan> Hang on... when I started a terminal, Caps Lock started acting as Backspace again.
[10:02] <ChrisMorgan> How could I figure out why that happens, and how to make it happen earlier?
[10:08] <ChrisMorgan> It's clearly not the same as it was, though, as holding down Caps Lock only triggers one backspace.
[10:11] <ChrisMorgan> And ``xmodmap -e 'remove lock = 0x42'`` (because xmodmap is showing "lock        Caps_Lock (0x42)") fixes up that problem, so that it then *does* repeat as backspace... but this isn't a stable solution.
[10:48] <theadmin> Hi. I'm trying to follow the Chromium vs Firefox as 13.10 default discussion but can't quite keep up, what's the current situation?
[12:17] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:32] <penguin42> Hey BK
[12:34] <BluesKaj> Hi penguin42
[15:22] <scotty^> Can someone please do me a favour and have a look at Evince in Saucy.  I have heard the zoom control has been overhauled.  What is the maximum zoom level nowdays?
[15:27]  * penguin42 checks
[15:28] <penguin42> scotty^: Somewhere around 400%
[15:28] <penguin42> hmm no, it's more complex
[15:29] <penguin42> scotty^: The largest on the clicky is 400%, you can type in arbitrary %'s but it won't always obey them
[15:30] <penguin42> scotty^: I'd say the max is 434.19% (!)
[15:30] <scotty^> hmm
[15:31] <scotty^> I'd heard about being able to type in a custom zoom level, but 434.19% is not much of an improvement on the 400% available in previous versions
[15:31] <penguin42> hmm, the 434 is different on different docs - I'm wondering if it's a max diff
[15:31] <scotty^> It doesn't always obey what you typed in, you say?
[15:31] <penguin42> scotty^: Yeh it limits it to something - I've just not figured out what to
[15:32] <scotty^> hmm
[15:32] <penguin42> scotty^: I'm gbetting it's a maximum dimension
[15:33] <penguin42> Okular's limit seems to be 1600%
[15:33] <scotty^> Can I run that on standard Ubuntu with Unity?
[15:33] <penguin42> yes
[15:35] <scotty^> Cool.  I'll check it out.  Thanks.
[18:33] <dupondje> Saucy is getting more unable every day :(
[18:35] <BluesKaj> unable ?
[18:36] <BluesKaj> dupondje, I'm on kubuntu and don't see that at all , almost the opposite , seems more stable everyday
[18:41] <dupondje> almost everyday, complete lock of my graphical interface
[18:41] <dupondje> strange
[18:41] <dupondje> restarting lightdm fixes it then
[18:42] <IdleOne> probably has to do with graphic drivers
[18:43] <penguin42> probably important stuff to watch out for at the moment for any Mir-iness
[18:45] <BluesKaj> yeah , nice to be on KDE and and a solid Xserver
[18:48] <BluesKaj> I'm afraid canonical is leading a lot of users down the road to anger and frustration with likes of Mir ...I hope Mir works out for them.
[18:51] <dlynch> is there a command or code snippet to determine the automount location that will work on different distros, older and newer?
[19:23] <BluesKaj> dlynch, mount  ?
[19:25] <dlynch> BluesKaj, I need something that tells me where a  plugin device will be mounted, i.e. one of /media , /media/username, or /run/media/username
[19:28] <BluesKaj> dlynch, afaik normally it's /media/nameofdevice and it should show up in the filemanager places
[19:28] <dlynch> BluesKaj, historically yes, but not anymore and it's not consistent between distros :(
[19:29] <BluesKaj> dlynch, on KDE it's still the same , shows up in dolphin
[19:30] <dlynch> redhat changed the udisks2 behavior
[19:30] <dlynch> that's why it's changed
[19:31] <BluesKaj> i wouldn't know about RH , this is 'buntu 13.10 support
[19:34] <ChogyDan> dlynch: you can use fstab to set the location, but for me, a few releases ago, it changed from /media/mountpoint, to /media/<user name>/mountpoint
[19:35] <dlynch> ChogyDan,  actually I'm the developer of a python program that needs to work cross distro and while I can hack some code that will account for the various distros, it would be nice to be able to call a command that simply reports the default location!
[19:36] <ChogyDan> dlynch: hmm, yeah, I dunno.  Trying to predict that...
[19:38] <dlynch> ChogyDan,  I'm sure RedHat had their reasons for the change, but I can only assume that there would be a standard way to figure this out from the command line
[19:40] <BluesKaj> dlynch, ls /media/username seems to work here
[19:42] <BluesKaj> altho one external drive uses it;s fstab assigned uuid
[20:02] <penguin42> it does kind of make sense
[20:02] <penguin42> given that the perms of the device are set by the person logged in on the console, so if you have multiple people logged in then it gets a bit confusing
[20:55] <FernandoMiguel> hi
[22:37] <ChogyDan> so, I upgraded just because the saucy kernel had a fix for my webcam.  I'm running into bugs.  Should I report them?  I feel like I should wait till the beta before I bother
[22:37] <IdleOne> reporting bugs as early as possible would be more helpful
[22:38] <k1l_> if you report the bugs there is a chance that it gets fixed. if no one knows that something is broken, no one will fix it
[22:38] <IdleOne> right now it might just be a little thing, if you wait it could turn into something more complicated
[22:38] <ChogyDan> ok, if you guys think so, I can.  In the past, many bugs have worked themselves out, but my report wasn't touched...
[22:39] <penguin42> ChogyDan: Yeh also possible; can you describe the bugs?
[22:39] <ChogyDan> well, right now, it is a random wpa_supplicant crash
[22:39] <wilee-nilee> ChogyDan, Having a upgrade has its own problems I would do a check on a live cd or even install it to check.
[22:39] <wilee-nilee> can have problems that is
[22:40] <ChogyDan> wilee-nilee: yeah, that's true, but am I wrong to want to wait till the beta for that extra work?  Sorry if I'm being... lax and lazy.
[22:42] <wilee-nilee> ChogyDan, wrong is a personal decision in if it is. IT really depends on the hassle's you want to experience.
[22:43] <wilee-nilee> If it were me I would do a frsh install alongside or in a vm and check it out, but I do this all the time,  I alwyas fresh install.
[22:44] <ChogyDan> actually, I forgot, I didn't find installable isos of 13.10
[22:46] <wilee-nilee> ChogyDan there are daily's
[22:47] <wilee-nilee> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[22:47] <wilee-nilee> ChogyDan, And you can rsync them if needed.
[22:49] <ChogyDan> wilee-nilee: so do you just test them out in a vm first?  I tried a daily last week, and it failed to boot
[22:49] <ChogyDan> i mean, I guess I obviously should
[22:49] <ChogyDan> !zsync
[22:54] <wilee-nilee> ChogyDan, Being lazy is okay, I'm a slacker from way back, but I make sure my slacking is covered with thought through methodology, I want to really slack, ;)
[22:55] <wilee-nilee> not saying your lazy just it can be done with some thought. ;)
[22:55] <penguin42> ChogyDan: I normally try stuff in vms first; but you do get bugs that affect VMs but not real machines and the other way
[22:55] <ChogyDan> :)