[09:54] The latest updates have changed the keyboard input stuff significantly; I had Caps Lock mapped to Backspace with the old scheme, but the new UI doesn't seem to expose any way of achieving the same result. How can I do it? [10:00] Hang on... when I started a terminal, Caps Lock started acting as Backspace again. [10:02] How could I figure out why that happens, and how to make it happen earlier? [10:08] It's clearly not the same as it was, though, as holding down Caps Lock only triggers one backspace. [10:11] And ``xmodmap -e 'remove lock = 0x42'`` (because xmodmap is showing "lock Caps_Lock (0x42)") fixes up that problem, so that it then *does* repeat as backspace... but this isn't a stable solution. [10:48] Hi. I'm trying to follow the Chromium vs Firefox as 13.10 default discussion but can't quite keep up, what's the current situation? [12:17] Howdy all [12:32] Hey BK [12:34] Hi penguin42 === Ian_ is now known as Ian_Corne [15:22] Can someone please do me a favour and have a look at Evince in Saucy. I have heard the zoom control has been overhauled. What is the maximum zoom level nowdays? [15:27] * penguin42 checks [15:28] scotty^: Somewhere around 400% [15:28] hmm no, it's more complex [15:29] scotty^: The largest on the clicky is 400%, you can type in arbitrary %'s but it won't always obey them [15:30] scotty^: I'd say the max is 434.19% (!) [15:30] hmm [15:31] I'd heard about being able to type in a custom zoom level, but 434.19% is not much of an improvement on the 400% available in previous versions [15:31] hmm, the 434 is different on different docs - I'm wondering if it's a max diff [15:31] It doesn't always obey what you typed in, you say? [15:31] scotty^: Yeh it limits it to something - I've just not figured out what to [15:32] hmm [15:32] scotty^: I'm gbetting it's a maximum dimension [15:33] Okular's limit seems to be 1600% [15:33] Can I run that on standard Ubuntu with Unity? [15:33] yes [15:35] Cool. I'll check it out. Thanks. [18:33] Saucy is getting more unable every day :( [18:35] unable ? [18:36] dupondje, I'm on kubuntu and don't see that at all , almost the opposite , seems more stable everyday [18:41] almost everyday, complete lock of my graphical interface [18:41] strange [18:41] restarting lightdm fixes it then [18:42] probably has to do with graphic drivers [18:43] probably important stuff to watch out for at the moment for any Mir-iness [18:45] yeah , nice to be on KDE and and a solid Xserver [18:48] I'm afraid canonical is leading a lot of users down the road to anger and frustration with likes of Mir ...I hope Mir works out for them. [18:51] is there a command or code snippet to determine the automount location that will work on different distros, older and newer? [19:23] dlynch, mount ? [19:25] BluesKaj, I need something that tells me where a plugin device will be mounted, i.e. one of /media , /media/username, or /run/media/username [19:28] dlynch, afaik normally it's /media/nameofdevice and it should show up in the filemanager places [19:28] BluesKaj, historically yes, but not anymore and it's not consistent between distros :( [19:29] dlynch, on KDE it's still the same , shows up in dolphin [19:30] redhat changed the udisks2 behavior [19:30] that's why it's changed [19:31] i wouldn't know about RH , this is 'buntu 13.10 support [19:34] dlynch: you can use fstab to set the location, but for me, a few releases ago, it changed from /media/mountpoint, to /media//mountpoint [19:35] ChogyDan, actually I'm the developer of a python program that needs to work cross distro and while I can hack some code that will account for the various distros, it would be nice to be able to call a command that simply reports the default location! [19:36] dlynch: hmm, yeah, I dunno. Trying to predict that... [19:38] ChogyDan, I'm sure RedHat had their reasons for the change, but I can only assume that there would be a standard way to figure this out from the command line [19:40] dlynch, ls /media/username seems to work here [19:42] altho one external drive uses it;s fstab assigned uuid [20:02] it does kind of make sense [20:02] given that the perms of the device are set by the person logged in on the console, so if you have multiple people logged in then it gets a bit confusing [20:55] hi === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang === tlyu_ is now known as tlyu [22:37] so, I upgraded just because the saucy kernel had a fix for my webcam. I'm running into bugs. Should I report them? I feel like I should wait till the beta before I bother [22:37] reporting bugs as early as possible would be more helpful [22:38] if you report the bugs there is a chance that it gets fixed. if no one knows that something is broken, no one will fix it [22:38] right now it might just be a little thing, if you wait it could turn into something more complicated [22:38] ok, if you guys think so, I can. In the past, many bugs have worked themselves out, but my report wasn't touched... [22:39] ChogyDan: Yeh also possible; can you describe the bugs? [22:39] well, right now, it is a random wpa_supplicant crash [22:39] ChogyDan, Having a upgrade has its own problems I would do a check on a live cd or even install it to check. [22:39] can have problems that is [22:40] wilee-nilee: yeah, that's true, but am I wrong to want to wait till the beta for that extra work? Sorry if I'm being... lax and lazy. [22:42] ChogyDan, wrong is a personal decision in if it is. IT really depends on the hassle's you want to experience. [22:43] If it were me I would do a frsh install alongside or in a vm and check it out, but I do this all the time, I alwyas fresh install. [22:44] actually, I forgot, I didn't find installable isos of 13.10 [22:46] ChogyDan there are daily's [22:47] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [22:47] ChogyDan, And you can rsync them if needed. [22:49] wilee-nilee: so do you just test them out in a vm first? I tried a daily last week, and it failed to boot [22:49] i mean, I guess I obviously should [22:49] !zsync [22:49] Use zsync to update your Ubuntu CD image without needing to download the parts that didn't change. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZsyncCdImage [22:54] ChogyDan, Being lazy is okay, I'm a slacker from way back, but I make sure my slacking is covered with thought through methodology, I want to really slack, ;) [22:55] not saying your lazy just it can be done with some thought. ;) [22:55] ChogyDan: I normally try stuff in vms first; but you do get bugs that affect VMs but not real machines and the other way [22:55] :)