[18:01] <AlanBell> hi all
[18:02] <AlanBell> #startmeeting IRC team
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[18:02] <AlanBell> hi, who is here for the IRC team meeting?
[18:03] <Flannel> o/
[18:03] <ikonia> I'm certainly watching
[18:04] <AlanBell> Pici: Tm_T: funkyHat: o/
[18:05] <Tm_T> hi
[18:06] <Tm_T> only partially available, sorry
[18:06] <AlanBell> ok
[18:06] <AlanBell> again, not a heap of stuff on the agenda
[18:06] <AlanBell> #topic Review last meetings action items
[18:07] <IdleOne> o/
[18:07] <AlanBell> last meeting was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/IRCC/20130630 and no actions recorded
[18:08] <AlanBell> but I never got round to doing a list of things the bots say
[18:09] <AlanBell> anyhow, lets move on and come back to new actions because I can think of a few things we need to do
[18:09] <AlanBell> #topic Open items in the IRCC tracker
[18:09] <AlanBell> none in the tracker, there have been no recent formal appeals
[18:09] <AlanBell> #topic Review Bugs related to the Ubuntu IRC Council
[18:09] <AlanBell> no new bugs filed
[18:10] <AlanBell> #topic Membership applications
[18:10] <AlanBell> we have no new membership applications
[18:10] <AlanBell> #topic Any Other Business
[18:10] <AlanBell> gosh that was quick :)
[18:10] <bazhang> not m4v ?
[18:10] <IdleOne> m4v was finnaly approved
[18:10] <AlanBell> m4v is a member now, was approved a few months ago
[18:10] <bazhang> alright
[18:10] <IdleOne> little while ago
[18:10] <AlanBell> cloak and everything :)
[18:11] <IdleOne>  there have been no recent formal appeals ?
[18:11] <AlanBell> indeed, there have not
[18:11] <IdleOne> This confuses me
[18:11] <IdleOne> what exactly constitutes a formal appeal?
[18:12] <AlanBell> someone sending us an email with the details of what they want to appeal about
[18:12] <IdleOne> I see
[18:13] <IdleOne> So joining the council channel and making a complaint does not count?
[18:13] <AlanBell> there have been some discussions with users where we have advised them of how to appeal and we let them talk if they want to say their piece
[18:14] <AlanBell> anyone can pop in to the #ubuntu-irc-council for a chat at any time, but an appeal is by email
[18:14] <Tm_T> AlanBell: does appeal process say that?
[18:15] <IdleOne> it should if not
[18:15] <ikonia> if you follow the process it says you should email the council on the list after discussing it with the ops
[18:16] <IdleOne> I haven't read it recently but I recall it saying they can also join the ircc channel. It should be made clear if not
[18:16] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess
[18:16] <AlanBell> there is a bit of an OR in there
[18:17] <IdleOne> there is an either or
[18:17] <IdleOne> I suggest it be cleared up
[18:18] <DJones> On the basis that the purpose of #ubuntu-irc-council has never been explained to me since I was accepted as an op in #ubuntu, what is its purpose? is it a a private channel with no idling or something that #ubuntu* ops should be aware of?
[18:18] <AlanBell> so yes, if people pop in to the channel we do try and sort out what the problem is, but I was generally counting emails as formal appeals
[18:19] <AlanBell> the channel is very rarely used, it is handy if we want to discuss something with someone so that all the council can see discussions rather than having private messages with us as individuals
[18:19] <IdleOne> I am fine with making it email if you want this to be a formal complaint OR join the channel if you want to alert the council to something without it being a huge deal type thing
[18:23] <AlanBell> yeah, that might be good to clarify in the documentation
[18:24] <IdleOne> AlanBell: only because some of us were under the impression there had been a formal complaint made against some of the ops.
[18:25] <IdleOne> least that is what we were told.
[18:25] <IdleOne> Good to know we can continue to abuse our powers without consequence :)
[18:26] <IdleOne> that was a joke, just in case nobody got it.
[18:26] <AlanBell>  /kick IdleOne
[18:28] <Tm_T> IdleOne: this is serious business, we don't understand humout
[18:28] <Tm_T> r
[18:28] <bazhang> hummus is welcome though
[18:28] <AlanBell> hmm, something weird going on with my connection :(
[18:29] <IdleOne> Tm_T: plz2email for formal complaint. kthx
[18:29] <bazhang> falafel not included
[18:29] <Tm_T> done
[18:31] <AlanBell> ok, so from that
[18:31] <AlanBell> #action ircc to discuss and clarify what constitutes a formal complaint
[18:31] <meetingology> ACTION: ircc to discuss and clarify what constitutes a formal complaint
[18:31] <AlanBell> is there any other other business?
[18:32] <Flannel> AlanBell: You said you had things earlier (at :09)
[18:33] <AlanBell> yup, just we need to do a round of cloak audits for people who are expired or whatever
[18:34] <Flannel> Well, that's not very exciting at all.  What are we paying you for?
[18:34] <AlanBell> #action AlanBell to make a list of cloaks to remove as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Cloaks
[18:34] <meetingology> ACTION: AlanBell to make a list of cloaks to remove as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Cloaks
[18:36] <AlanBell> and the other thing to mention is that we had a catchup meeting with the CC about a month ago, I will try and find the logs to link
[18:36] <AlanBell> http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-08-01-17.00.log.html#l-81
[18:37] <AlanBell> ok, anything else to add?
[18:37] <AlanBell> lets wrap it up there then
[18:37] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[18:37] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Aug 25 18:38:18 2013 UTC.
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[18:38] <AlanBell> thanks everyone
[18:38] <ikonia> AlanBell: anything of note we should look at in the CC review ?
[18:38] <IdleOne> thank you
[18:39] <cjohnston> /26
[18:39] <AlanBell> ikonia: not really, it was fairly brief
[18:39] <AlanBell> just wanted to point to those logs in these logs really
[18:40] <IdleOne> BINGO
[18:40] <IdleOne> slowly getting BINGO in all my channels
[19:12] <funkyHat> what!
[19:18] <funkyHat> Which timezone am I in? I thought 20:00 UTC was 40 minutes from now!
[19:18] <bazhang> @now UTC
[19:18] <meetingology> bazhang: Error: "now" is not a valid command.