| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 07:58 |
|---|---|---|
| MartijnVdS | \o brobostigon | 08:10 |
| brobostigon | morning MartijnVdS | 08:10 |
| === max_ is now known as hdsler_ | ||
| SuperEngineer | o/ | 10:42 |
| * SuperEngineer watches BTCC in prep for Grand Prix coverage | 10:47 | |
| SuperEngineer | [it's far more interesting than searching for where Steam nicked my disk space] ;) | 10:47 |
| MartijnVdS | SuperEngineer: ~/.steam probabl | 10:53 |
| MartijnVdS | or ~/.local/share/Steam | 10:53 |
| SuperEngineer | been hunting in both - can't find the4 [5?] GB it nickeed after cancelling a download | 10:54 |
| MartijnVdS | SuperEngineer: check using 'baobab' | 10:55 |
| SuperEngineer | [seemed to reserve space somehow and not release it] | 10:55 |
| SuperEngineer | baobab - heard of that [and not just the tree] | 10:55 |
| SuperEngineer | oh - du - been using that in x and in CLI | 10:56 |
| SuperEngineer | [to no joy] | 10:56 |
| SuperEngineer | Steam taking 33GB [18 installed games though] ;) | 10:58 |
| SuperEngineer | [but baobab is an extremely appropriate name for dua] | 11:00 |
| MartijnVdS | SuperEngineer: there should be a temp file, or a directory withthe name of the download you cancelled | 11:06 |
| SuperEngineer | MartijnVdS: http://imagebin.org/268726 it's somewhere is Left for Dead... | 11:06 |
| MartijnVdS | somewhere in the steam dir | 11:06 |
| SuperEngineer | started downloading beta which is now live - cancelled it [already have non-beta & happy with it] | 11:06 |
| SuperEngineer | ho hum - nearly F1 time - that'll take my mind off it! | 11:07 |
| MartijnVdS | F1! | 11:07 |
| SuperEngineer | Belgium GP coverage starts 12.10 BBC1 | 11:08 |
| SuperEngineer | race starts in 50 mins | 11:09 |
| SuperEngineer | ..and here comes the theme music! | 11:10 |
| === SirCrispinTheJew is now known as RaycisCharles | ||
| SuperEngineer | phew! just started a steam game directly from the .exe file... wrong! killed output to monitor | 11:46 |
| MartijnVdS | .exe file?! | 11:46 |
| SuperEngineer | [fortunately it was showing on HDMI on tv... very wrong resolution - but enough to do a clean a shut down | 11:47 |
| SuperEngineer | MartijnVdS: yup - found that in the Left for Dead folder | 11:48 |
| MartijnVdS | weird.. but probably best for consistency to name the executable that everywhere | 11:48 |
| SuperEngineer | hmmm | 11:48 |
| SuperEngineer | [also found the Left for Dead folder has a Left for Dead folder inside it! | 11:49 |
| SuperEngineer | messy | 11:49 |
| SuperEngineer | Anyone here have Left FOr Dead installed under Steam - a comparison would be wonderful right now ;) | 11:52 |
| MartijnVdS | 1 or 2 ? | 11:54 |
| SuperEngineer | F1 race -5 folks | 11:55 |
| MartijnVdS | yeah, just got the official intro :) | 11:55 |
| brobostigon | ST4 voyage home, ch4 2.30pm, :) | 11:55 |
| SuperEngineer | MartijnVdS: 2 | 11:55 |
| MartijnVdS | would have been there, but camping is NOT for me | 11:55 |
| MartijnVdS | + sunburn | 11:56 |
| MartijnVdS | + feeling bad overall | 11:56 |
| MartijnVdS | = early drive home | 11:56 |
| brobostigon | glamping would be more for me, i like my bath, :) | 11:56 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: yeah, if I go again, it'll be race-day only, and sleeping in a hotel | 11:56 |
| MartijnVdS | and with friends | 11:56 |
| brobostigon | :) | 11:57 |
| MartijnVdS | oh well, I have some photos and videos | 11:58 |
| MartijnVdS | (see G+) | 11:58 |
| MartijnVdS | had a walk around the circuit on Friday | 11:58 |
| brobostigon | :) | 11:58 |
| MartijnVdS | SuperEngineer: which directory do you want to compare? | 11:59 |
| MartijnVdS | [zo 14:00] :) martijn@desktop:~/.../share/Steam/SteamApps/common/Left 4 Dead 2$ ls | 12:01 |
| MartijnVdS | bin hl2 left4dead2 left4dead2_dlc3 platform | 12:01 |
| MartijnVdS | argh! | 12:01 |
| MartijnVdS | config hl2_linux left4dead2_dlc1 left4dead2.exe steam_appid.txt | 12:01 |
| MartijnVdS | meant to paste the pastebin link | 12:01 |
| MartijnVdS | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6024809/ | 12:01 |
| MartijnVdS | stupid chromeos | 12:01 |
| SuperEngineer | MartijnVdS: just wonering if the 'Left For Dead 2' dir has a 'leftfordead2' dir in it | 12:08 |
| MartijnVdS | SuperEngineer: see the paste | 12:10 |
| SuperEngineer | MartijnVdS: thanks - it's identical | 12:14 |
| SuperEngineer | p.s. next time I find a tent with abath attached... I'll let you know ;) | 12:17 |
| MartijnVdS | almost halfway already | 12:42 |
| SuperEngineer | ..and still no rain | 12:47 |
| MartijnVdS | :( they predicted 16mm a few days ago | 12:47 |
| SuperEngineer | yup | 12:47 |
| SuperEngineer | [methinks the 2 Brits wanted the rain] | 12:48 |
| SuperEngineer | ...rain meisters both | 12:48 |
| MartijnVdS | Good at driving on twisty roads while it's raining? They must be Brits ;) | 12:51 |
| MartijnVdS | where else do you get the practice | 12:51 |
| SuperEngineer | ..they all learnt to drive with 1 hand on steering wheel & 1 hand carrying an umbrella | 12:53 |
| MartijnVdS | SuperEngineer: on B roads in Cornwall? | 12:55 |
| SuperEngineer | MartijnVdS: lol | 12:55 |
| SuperEngineer | and that coming together is what is technically called a "whoopsie" ;) | 12:58 |
| MartijnVdS | 8-) | 12:58 |
| SuperEngineer | *is <-> technically [v. bad grammar - slaps own wrist] | 12:58 |
| * mgdm thinks your corrected version sounds wrong | 13:05 | |
| === Hornet- is now known as Hornet | ||
| SuperEngineer | mgdm: "is what is"??!! that's good? nah! next you'll be telling me you "finks ya corrected version sounds wrong, know what I mean" | 13:08 |
| mgdm | I'm from nearly as far away as you can be from Essex while staying in the UK, and think that accent sounds like chewing tinfoil, so no :-) | 13:10 |
| SuperEngineer | mgdm: gawd bless ya cotton socks mate | 13:10 |
| SuperEngineer | ;) | 13:11 |
| * mgdm wonders what accent that's meant to be :) | 13:11 | |
| SuperEngineer | cockerney | 13:11 |
| mgdm | ah! hehe | 13:11 |
| MartijnVdS | not Somersetese? ;) | 13:12 |
| SuperEngineer | MartijnVdS: nope - that would be "bless yeer cotton socks madear" ; | 13:14 |
| SuperEngineer | [or - "no, officer, honestly... I found the venison - it just dropped dead front in of I" ;) | 13:16 |
| SuperEngineer | why doesn't the helicopter cutting the corners & going "off track" get a stop/go penalty! | 13:20 |
| MartijnVdS | only a few more laps! | 13:21 |
| MartijnVdS | SuperEngineer: those helicopters (2!) are scary to watch | 13:21 |
| MartijnVdS | SuperEngineer: those pilots must be insane | 13:21 |
| mgdm | SuperEngineer: last time they had a car with a big fan on, it got banned | 13:21 |
| SuperEngineer | MartijnVdS: yup - best view & best fun on the circuit | 13:22 |
| MartijnVdS | "What's your job?" "Oh, I fly around F1 circuits in a helicopter, just above the tree tops" | 13:23 |
| SuperEngineer | mgdm: that was 1 of the helos! it was running low on fuel ;) | 13:23 |
| MartijnVdS | he must be a hit at parties ;) | 13:23 |
| mgdm | Yeah, the Tyrell Apache | 13:23 |
| SuperEngineer | MartijnVdS: "Oh, I try to fly around F1 circuits in a helicopter, just above the tree tops- whoops!!!!" | 13:24 |
| MartijnVdS | mgdm: it was the hellfire missiles that made them ban it, not the fan. | 13:24 |
| * brobostigon puts ch4 on, | 13:24 | |
| MartijnVdS | but.. only 1 more lap of f1! | 13:24 |
| * brobostigon waits. | 13:25 | |
| shauno | I bet the secret is they're just trying to troll the cameraman | 13:25 |
| SuperEngineer | mgdm: had 2 Apaches land for fuel at local airport last week... "anyone want to pick an argunment" was the most common phrase | 13:25 |
| mgdm | hehe | 13:26 |
| mgdm | a Navy Sea King appeared from behind the building beside my flat last night | 13:26 |
| mgdm | that was surprising | 13:26 |
| mgdm | silence to WHOMP WHOMP WHOMP | 13:26 |
| shauno | they're not known for being sneaky | 13:26 |
| MartijnVdS | the whomping willow! | 13:27 |
| SuperEngineer | followed by Sea King pilot going "hey, who nicked the sea?!" | 13:27 |
| SuperEngineer | Has Hamilton changed his name to Vettel? | 13:28 |
| MartijnVdS | SuperEngineer: only on weekends | 13:28 |
| SuperEngineer | lol | 13:28 |
| shauno | we used to get sea kings flying low quite often because we were far too close to the helipad at the local hospital (south lakes, so coastguard+mountain rescue double-whammy). we used to joke that we shouldn't have made the extension a flat roof :/ | 13:28 |
| mgdm | hehe | 13:29 |
| mgdm | the Clyde Heliport is nearby | 13:29 |
| mgdm | though not where I saw the Sea King | 13:29 |
| * brobostigon now stwitches to ch4. | 13:29 | |
| SuperEngineer | other interesting facts re local airport... 2 crashes in as many days! | 13:29 |
| mgdm | o_O | 13:29 |
| MartijnVdS | SuperEngineer: con-TROLL-ing | 13:29 |
| MartijnVdS | SuperEngineer: (from the con-troll tower) | 13:30 |
| SuperEngineer | oh - now there's a nice thought - conning trolls... mmmm | 13:30 |
| SuperEngineer | patent trollls & bullies doubly so | 13:31 |
| MartijnVdS | SuperEngineer: it's the reverse of the "419 baiter" | 13:31 |
| SuperEngineer | mgdm: channel4? what, miss the Suzi Perry/Eddie Jordon comedy hour? | 13:32 |
| mgdm | SuperEngineer: I'm not on ch4, that's brobostigon | 13:33 |
| SuperEngineer | MartijnVdS: 419 baiter? [/me looks up phrase] | 13:33 |
| MartijnVdS | Star Trek IV: Free Willy? | 13:33 |
| SuperEngineer | mgdm: forgiven ;) | 13:33 |
| brobostigon | i think i would rather watch one of the best star treks films, to be honest. | 13:33 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: voyage home, :) | 13:34 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: the one with the whales, right? | 13:34 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: yep. | 13:34 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: hence "Free Willy" | 13:34 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: i understood the joke, it was funny, :) | 13:34 |
| SuperEngineer | ...but there was only 1 whale - poor sod | 13:34 |
| mgdm | there were 2 | 13:34 |
| brobostigon | yep, there were two. | 13:35 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: Close Encounters (of the 3rd kind) on Five later on | 13:35 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: also cool :) | 13:35 |
| SuperEngineer | ... there was 1 - then 2 - then 4 - then 16..... :D | 13:35 |
| shauno | (±petunias) | 13:36 |
| brobostigon | HHGTTG | 13:36 |
| brobostigon | magrathea. | 13:37 |
| brobostigon | above magrathea.* | 13:37 |
| SuperEngineer | MartijnVdS: ah... *now* I understand 419 baiter | 13:37 |
| MartijnVdS | SuperEngineer: it's trolling conners, instead of conning trolls :) | 13:38 |
| SuperEngineer | yup | 13:38 |
| shauno | I remember reading something that advocated spam filters should be trying to do that automatically | 13:40 |
| SuperEngineer | brobostigon: Douglas A - RIP | 13:41 |
| brobostigon | SuperEngineer: yes. huge shame, before his time. | 13:41 |
| SuperEngineer | [I wonder what that thing approaching.... ;) | 13:41 |
| shauno | the logic was that most of these 'nigerian princes' are meant to be absurdly obvious, because it results in a very narrow, gullible, self-selecting response rate | 13:42 |
| SuperEngineer | life.. don't talk to about about life... here I am, brain the size of a planet..." - use that whwn a customer really bores me | 13:42 |
| SuperEngineer | ...thgey usually go quiet afer that | 13:43 |
| shauno | and that having spam filters try to start conversations with the spammers would completely destroy the effort:result ratio at the spammer's end | 13:43 |
| SuperEngineer | ...F1 is a woinderful thing - takes one's mind off current computer "problem" [non-problem as it turns out] | 13:44 |
| * SuperEngineer is embarrassed | 13:45 | |
| SuperEngineer | MartijnVdS: thanks for the help & suggestions re Steam disk loss - it is solved | 13:45 |
| brobostigon | large bag of crisps, beer and a good film, what more can you ask for, :) | 13:46 |
| SuperEngineer | brobostigon: a yacht, a helicopter, a fast car... | 13:46 |
| SuperEngineer | ...and Eddie Jordan | 13:47 |
| brobostigon | SuperEngineer: those are all too expensive. | 13:47 |
| SuperEngineer | brobostigon: dunno - never - bought an Eddie Jordan! | 13:47 |
| brobostigon | SuperEngineer: i was indirectly referring to the cost of sky tv. | 13:48 |
| SuperEngineer | lol | 13:48 |
| * penguin42 wonders if there is any way of delaying the start of a program in session startup | 13:48 | |
| SuperEngineer | penguin42: don't start it in auto - start manual? serious | 13:49 |
| penguin42 | SuperEngineer: I'm looking at a bootchart of my dads machine; one of the things thrashing the disk during login is update-notifier/apt - which I do want to autostart, but it could do with sitting back and taking it gently while the user logs in and gets on with their life | 13:51 |
| SuperEngineer | penguin42: agreed | 13:53 |
| penguin42 | I flipped his machine to cfq (from deadline) and it does seem to have taken a few seconds off startup, but there are some dumb things I can see in the bootchart | 13:54 |
| SuperEngineer | that reminds me - think it might be time to say bbs - own startup has been slowing recently - just installed bootchart [again] | 13:58 |
| SuperEngineer | ...& MartijnVdS thanks for your help earlier | 13:59 |
| MartijnVdS | np :) | 14:04 |
| * mgdm is watching Star Trek IV: Where'd the Whales Go? on +1 | 15:01 | |
| mgdm | I do have it on blu ray, somewhere | 15:01 |
| * penguin42 offers his mouse to mgdm | 15:01 | |
| AlanBell | o/ daubers | 15:04 |
| MartijnVdS | A wild daubers appears? | 15:05 |
| mgdm | penguin42: a mouse? :) | 15:06 |
| penguin42 | mgdm: Computer! | 15:09 |
| mgdm | my computer doesn't have an optical drive | 15:10 |
| mgdm | and I don't know of any online services that have the film | 15:10 |
| mgdm | and it's on telly right now :) | 15:10 |
| penguin42 | mgdm: Just remember what I've said while you're watching it | 15:21 |
| mgdm | penguin42: OOOOH | 15:22 |
| mgdm | penguin42: I fail :( | 15:22 |
| mgdm | sorry :( | 15:22 |
| penguin42 | hehe | 16:01 |
| mgdm | wubwubwubwubwubwubwubwub | 16:26 |
| === max__ is now known as hdsler_ | ||
| Myrtti | WHY am I watching Premier League from telly? Boggle. | 16:49 |
| MartijnVdS | Myrtti: yes.. WHY | 16:50 |
| * DJones sends the men in white coats to collect Myrtti | 16:55 | |
| Myrtti | what | 17:03 |
| Myrtti | another game straight after the first one? | 17:03 |
| Myrtti | this is too much | 17:03 |
| MartijnVdS | Myrtti: you're obviously ill | 17:03 |
| * Myrtti finally bothers to get the remote and turn the channel over | 17:04 | |
| MartijnVdS | one of those days eh | 17:04 |
| mjayk | anybody here to to a LUG in the nw of the Uk? | 17:16 |
| MartijnVdS | North-west of the UK, or north-west of just England? :) | 17:16 |
| mjayk | ah :) England | 17:17 |
| mjayk | yea i didnt say what i ment | 17:17 |
| MartijnVdS | there's Manlug, ask penguin42 about that | 17:17 |
| MartijnVdS | also http://lug.org.uk/lugs/north-west | 17:18 |
| mjayk | i presume thats manchester | 17:18 |
| mjayk | cheers | 17:18 |
| penguin42 | oh, sorry I was making dinner | 17:28 |
| brobostigon | i am making a chilli for my gf tmrw evening, wish me luck. | 17:32 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: you can do it :) | 17:34 |
| brobostigon | i know i can, :). i have made ones for myself many times. | 17:34 |
| daubers | AlanBell: o/ Still around? | 18:50 |
| AlanBell | yes | 18:56 |
| daubers | AlanBell: Is your's and the opensourcerers company an LLP? Or is it something else? | 18:58 |
| AlanBell | it is a limited company | 19:00 |
| AlanBell | llp is for accountants and soliciters | 19:00 |
| daubers | Ah, fair enough :) | 19:00 |
| brobostigon | limited liability | 19:01 |
| daubers | I've been offered a share in an LLP, so I'm trying to find someone unrelated to it that runs one so I can get some insight into it | 19:01 |
| AlanBell | hmm, interesting | 19:01 |
| AlanBell | it doesn't have shares, that makes no sense | 19:02 |
| mgdm | I came across an LLP that was an estate agents in a previous line of work, never heard of it for anything that wasn't in that sort of area | 19:02 |
| AlanBell | you would have to be a partner, not a shareholder | 19:02 |
| daubers | AlanBell: No, "share" is the wrong technical term. I would be a partner with a certain %age stake | 19:02 |
| AlanBell | yup, that makes sense :O | 19:03 |
| daubers | Sorry, business terminology still makes me confused | 19:03 |
| daubers | (Still seems like a "share" to me, but I admit it's not "technically" correct) | 19:04 |
| AlanBell | you probably need to talk to someone who knows a bit more about it than me :) | 19:09 |
| AlanBell | I would be a bit wary about being a partner if you are not actually going to be a partner | 19:09 |
| daubers | AlanBell: I would be a partner, I'd also be running it day to day | 19:10 |
| AlanBell | in that case, it sounds appropriate | 19:10 |
| daubers | Yeah. Might be a trip to the library for a day coming up | 19:11 |
| mungbean | i'm new to wheely bins. anyone else get massive maggot infestation in this weather? | 19:49 |
| === SirCrispinTheJew is now known as GentileBen | ||
| popey | evening all | 20:31 |
| popey | mungbean: not here | 20:32 |
| mungbean | there are nappies in the bin:S | 20:33 |
| mungbean | might not help | 20:33 |
| popey | are they inside nappy bags? | 20:35 |
| mungbean | yes | 20:35 |
| mungbean | still. the bin gets opened quite a bit i guess | 20:36 |
| mungbean | there were 3 flies on it the other day | 20:36 |
| mungbean | bin opened...flies in = party | 20:36 |
| MartijnVdS | stop hiding the bodies in those bins? | 20:36 |
| mungbean | especially when bin men come and scuzz gets on the lid | 20:36 |
| mungbean | my sister got a new laptop. 2 days later i'm cleaning off malware | 20:37 |
| MartijnVdS | we have wheely bin cleaners here.. who come after the bin men and powerwash the inside | 20:37 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: yay windows | 20:37 |
| mungbean | already had MSSE installed but meh | 20:37 |
| popey | yeah, we have those here | 20:37 |
| mungbean | unsure if it came from an installer or not as her husband had run system restore pt already | 20:38 |
| popey | we have never had ours cleaned in ~12 years of living here | 20:38 |
| mungbean | although malware remained | 20:38 |
| MartijnVdS | heh.. the Dutch Dell XPS-13 "Ubuntu edition" page: | 20:38 |
| MartijnVdS | UBUNTU: De beste prestaties met Windows 8 Pro | 20:39 |
| MartijnVdS | ("Ubuntu: The best performance with Windows 8 Pro") | 20:39 |
| popey | *sigh* | 20:39 |
| AlanBell | Dell does it again | 20:39 |
| mungbean | my bruv got good deal on a laptop though. 207£ | 20:39 |
| MartijnVdS | will there be a Haswell version eventually? | 20:39 |
| popey | they tend to rev their hardware in autumn | 20:40 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: which is now-ish :) | 20:40 |
| MartijnVdS | or soon-ish anyway | 20:40 |
| popey | but I suspect if sputnik is deemed "popular" inside Dell, they yeah | 20:40 |
| popey | the ultrabook will get an update anyway, whether the sputnik build does or not.. who knows | 20:40 |
| mungbean | there are laptops with a celeron 1.1ghz processor :| | 20:41 |
| mungbean | called celron 847 | 20:41 |
| mungbean | seems to work ok for average joe | 20:41 |
| shauno | it shouldn't be that bad. it's a santa rosa dualcore. probably plenty for mum-class laptops | 20:43 |
| shauno | are, sandy bridge rather | 20:43 |
| AlanBell | sputnik won't be deemed popular because they keep it in a locked filcabinet at the bottom of some broken stairs behind a web page that says beware of the leopard and Dell recommends windows 8 | 20:44 |
| mungbean | shauno: yeah, seems ok, except for the win8 | 20:45 |
| mungbean | they couldn't find anything, average users are so lost on it | 20:45 |
| popey | AlanBell: not what i hear | 20:47 |
| popey | internally it's got some praise | 20:47 |
| Myrtti | I think I'll get the sputnik if everything works out | 20:52 |
| AlanBell | https://plus.google.com/109175303602657131317/posts/2xmzkx9vBg5 | 20:52 |
| AlanBell | it is ridiculous how badly they describe it after so much time | 20:53 |
| penguin42 | AlanBell: Haha! | 20:57 |
| popey | I notice AlanBell doesn't file bugs or contact people anymore, but just rants on G+ | 20:57 |
| Azelphur | isn't that how everything gets fixed | 20:58 |
| * Azelphur runs | 20:58 | |
| AlanBell | better place for screenshots than IRC | 21:04 |
| AlanBell | and I do file bugs | 21:04 |
| AlanBell | I don't know where to file a bug about Dell's website though :) | 21:05 |
| AlanBell | I don't encounter so many bugs with 13.10, but I did file some when I tried xmir | 21:05 |
| popey | \o/ ship it | 21:06 |
| AlanBell | yeah, everyone should run 13.10 it rocks | 21:06 |
| AlanBell | xmir might be a bit early to run though, and I don't really know what the benefit of it is | 21:07 |
| ali1234 | well the thing about dell selling ubuntu laptops is... | 21:38 |
| ali1234 | nobody is going to be mislead by the website | 21:38 |
| ali1234 | except maybe a few people who buy ubuntu by mistake | 21:38 |
| ali1234 | because they think it has windows, because the website says it does | 21:39 |
| ali1234 | literally no one is going to go to the dell website and see "oh, laptops with ubuntu. i've never heard of that, so i'll spend $1200 on a laptop with an OS i know nothing about" | 21:40 |
| AlanBell | true, which is probably one reason vendors are reluctant to sell Ubuntu laptops for less than the windows equivalent | 21:41 |
| ali1234 | there's no reason to even sell cmputers with ubuntu pre installed | 21:42 |
| ali1234 | you'll get exactly the same number of extra sales by selling them with no operating system | 21:43 |
| AlanBell | yeah, we bought a novatech for that reason | 21:43 |
| popey | depends on the region | 21:44 |
| mgdm | blimey, gitlab really does look awfully like it was 'inspired by' Github | 21:44 |
| popey | heh | 21:44 |
| popey | i do enjoy gitlab | 21:44 |
| AlanBell | it is a much easier thing to ask manufacturers to do, ship things without operating system | 21:44 |
| AlanBell | or list the operating system as a separately priced option | 21:44 |
| AlanBell | that Dell thing is shipping with "Ubuntu Edition version 12.04" first thing I would do is reinstall it with 13.10 and maybe add back the Dell tweaks | 21:46 |
| AlanBell | shipping it blank would be just fine | 21:47 |
| popey | laura has one and is using 12.04 on it | 21:53 |
| popey | i know a few others who wiped and put 13.10 on it | 21:53 |
| popey | sorry, 13.04 | 21:53 |
| penguin42 | AlanBell: Dell will generally ship you any of their machines with FreeDOS on if you're a business customer (or would a few years back) | 22:03 |
| penguin42 | actually to be fair I never did try with laptops, but desktops and servers I did | 22:05 |
| AlanBell | they wouldn't sell to me in a reasonable timescale last time I tried, so I went elsewhere and got a Samsung | 22:09 |
| AlanBell | that was some years ago, I will try again next time I am in a laptop purchasing mood | 22:10 |
| penguin42 | AlanBell: Nod; but certainly must go through the business side - no chance with the customer people | 22:22 |
| * bigcalm wanders in after a great weekend at his parents' | 22:23 | |
| AlanBell | penguin42: yeah, I did that, there was a whole comedy of purchase orders and proforma invoices and quotes and a 6 week lead time for something more expensive than the windows version | 22:24 |
| AlanBell | or I could get the windows version for less money shipping next day. So I got a Samsung instead. | 22:25 |
| AlanBell | timescale was a bigger deal than the price, but when it came to the fact I couldn't get a linux laptop within a week or so I just picked a good price/performance combination and that wasn't Dell | 22:26 |
| penguin42 | AlanBell: OK interesting, the desktops/servers they had nailed - we could normally get them within 2 or 3 days | 22:32 |
| AlanBell | yeah, probably helps if you are an existing customer with a standard order | 22:46 |
| penguin42 | I used to buy a fair amount of stuff from them, but normally different; they could put arbitrary servers/cpu/ram/disk combinations together very quickly - but not done it for ~6 years | 22:50 |
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