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brobostigongood morning everyone,07:58
MartijnVdS\o brobostigon08:10
brobostigonmorning MartijnVdS08:10
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SuperEngineero/10:42
* SuperEngineer watches BTCC in prep for Grand Prix coverage10:47
SuperEngineer[it's far more interesting than searching for where Steam nicked my disk space] ;)10:47
MartijnVdSSuperEngineer: ~/.steam probabl10:53
MartijnVdSor ~/.local/share/Steam10:53
SuperEngineerbeen hunting in both - can't find the4 [5?] GB it nickeed after cancelling a download10:54
MartijnVdSSuperEngineer: check using 'baobab'10:55
SuperEngineer[seemed to reserve space somehow and not release it]10:55
SuperEngineerbaobab - heard of that [and not just the tree]10:55
SuperEngineeroh - du - been using that in x and in CLI10:56
SuperEngineer[to no joy]10:56
SuperEngineerSteam taking 33GB [18 installed games though]  ;)10:58
SuperEngineer[but baobab is an extremely appropriate name for dua]11:00
MartijnVdSSuperEngineer: there should be a temp file, or a directory withthe name of the download you cancelled11:06
SuperEngineerMartijnVdS: http://imagebin.org/268726 it's somewhere is Left for Dead...11:06
MartijnVdSsomewhere in the steam dir11:06
SuperEngineerstarted downloading beta which is now live - cancelled it [already have non-beta & happy with it]11:06
SuperEngineerho hum - nearly F1 time - that'll take my mind off it!11:07
MartijnVdSF1!11:07
SuperEngineerBelgium GP coverage starts 12.10 BBC111:08
SuperEngineerrace starts in 50 mins11:09
SuperEngineer..and here comes the theme music!11:10
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SuperEngineerphew! just started  a steam game directly from the .exe file... wrong!  killed output to monitor11:46
MartijnVdS.exe file?!11:46
SuperEngineer[fortunately it was showing on HDMI on tv... very wrong resolution - but enough to do a clean a shut down11:47
SuperEngineerMartijnVdS: yup - found that in the Left for Dead folder11:48
MartijnVdSweird.. but probably best for consistency to name the executable that everywhere11:48
SuperEngineerhmmm11:48
SuperEngineer[also found the Left for Dead folder has a Left for Dead folder inside it!11:49
SuperEngineermessy11:49
SuperEngineerAnyone here have Left FOr Dead installed under Steam - a comparison would be wonderful right now ;)11:52
MartijnVdS1 or 2 ?11:54
SuperEngineerF1 race -5 folks11:55
MartijnVdSyeah, just got the official intro :)11:55
brobostigonST4 voyage home, ch4 2.30pm, :)11:55
SuperEngineerMartijnVdS: 211:55
MartijnVdSwould have been there, but camping is NOT for me11:55
MartijnVdS + sunburn11:56
MartijnVdS + feeling bad overall11:56
MartijnVdS  = early drive home11:56
brobostigonglamping would be more for me, i like my bath, :)11:56
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: yeah, if I go again, it'll be race-day only, and sleeping in a hotel11:56
MartijnVdSand with friends11:56
brobostigon:)11:57
MartijnVdSoh well, I have some photos and videos11:58
MartijnVdS(see G+)11:58
MartijnVdShad a walk around the circuit on Friday11:58
brobostigon:)11:58
MartijnVdSSuperEngineer: which directory do you want to compare?11:59
MartijnVdS[zo 14:00] :) martijn@desktop:~/.../share/Steam/SteamApps/common/Left 4 Dead 2$ ls12:01
MartijnVdSbin         hl2        left4dead2       left4dead2_dlc3  platform12:01
MartijnVdSargh!12:01
MartijnVdSconfig      hl2_linux  left4dead2_dlc1  left4dead2.exe   steam_appid.txt12:01
MartijnVdSmeant to paste the pastebin link12:01
MartijnVdShttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6024809/12:01
MartijnVdSstupid chromeos12:01
SuperEngineerMartijnVdS: just wonering if the  'Left For Dead 2' dir has a 'leftfordead2' dir in it12:08
MartijnVdSSuperEngineer: see the paste12:10
SuperEngineerMartijnVdS: thanks - it's identical12:14
SuperEngineerp.s. next time I find a tent with abath attached... I'll let you know  ;)12:17
MartijnVdSalmost halfway already12:42
SuperEngineer..and still no rain12:47
MartijnVdS:( they predicted 16mm a few days ago12:47
SuperEngineeryup12:47
SuperEngineer[methinks the 2 Brits wanted the rain]12:48
SuperEngineer...rain meisters both12:48
MartijnVdSGood at driving on twisty roads while it's raining? They must be Brits ;)12:51
MartijnVdSwhere else do you get the practice12:51
SuperEngineer..they all learnt to drive with 1 hand on steering wheel & 1 hand carrying an umbrella12:53
MartijnVdSSuperEngineer: on B roads in Cornwall?12:55
SuperEngineerMartijnVdS: lol12:55
SuperEngineerand that coming together is what is technically called a "whoopsie" ;)12:58
MartijnVdS8-)12:58
SuperEngineer*is <-> technically  [v. bad grammar - slaps own wrist]12:58
* mgdm thinks your corrected version sounds wrong13:05
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SuperEngineermgdm: "is what is"??!!  that's good?  nah! next you'll be telling me you "finks ya corrected version sounds wrong, know what I mean"13:08
mgdmI'm from nearly as far away as you can be from Essex while staying in the UK, and think that accent sounds like chewing tinfoil, so no :-)13:10
SuperEngineermgdm: gawd bless ya cotton socks mate13:10
SuperEngineer;)13:11
* mgdm wonders what accent that's meant to be :)13:11
SuperEngineercockerney13:11
mgdmah! hehe13:11
MartijnVdSnot Somersetese? ;)13:12
SuperEngineerMartijnVdS: nope - that would be "bless yeer cotton socks madear" ;13:14
SuperEngineer[or - "no, officer, honestly... I found the venison - it just dropped dead front in of I"  ;)13:16
SuperEngineerwhy doesn't the helicopter cutting the corners & going "off track" get a stop/go penalty!13:20
MartijnVdSonly a few more laps!13:21
MartijnVdSSuperEngineer: those helicopters (2!) are scary to watch13:21
MartijnVdSSuperEngineer: those pilots must be insane13:21
mgdmSuperEngineer: last time they had a car with a big fan on, it got banned13:21
SuperEngineerMartijnVdS: yup - best view & best fun on the circuit13:22
MartijnVdS"What's your job?" "Oh, I fly around F1 circuits in a helicopter, just above the tree tops"13:23
SuperEngineermgdm: that was 1 of the helos!  it was running low on fuel ;)13:23
MartijnVdShe must be a hit at parties ;)13:23
mgdmYeah, the Tyrell Apache13:23
SuperEngineerMartijnVdS: "Oh, I try to fly around F1 circuits in a helicopter, just above the tree tops- whoops!!!!"13:24
MartijnVdSmgdm: it was the hellfire missiles that made them ban it, not the fan.13:24
* brobostigon puts ch4 on, 13:24
MartijnVdSbut.. only 1 more lap of f1!13:24
* brobostigon waits.13:25
shaunoI bet the secret is they're just trying to troll the cameraman13:25
SuperEngineermgdm: had 2 Apaches land for fuel at local airport last week... "anyone want to pick an argunment" was the most common phrase13:25
mgdmhehe13:26
mgdma Navy Sea King appeared from behind the building beside my flat last night13:26
mgdmthat was surprising13:26
mgdmsilence to WHOMP WHOMP WHOMP13:26
shaunothey're not known for being sneaky13:26
MartijnVdSthe whomping willow!13:27
SuperEngineerfollowed by Sea King pilot going "hey, who nicked the sea?!"13:27
SuperEngineerHas Hamilton changed his name to Vettel?13:28
MartijnVdSSuperEngineer: only on weekends13:28
SuperEngineerlol13:28
shaunowe used to get sea kings flying low quite often because we were far too close to the helipad at the local hospital  (south lakes, so coastguard+mountain rescue double-whammy).  we used to joke that we shouldn't have made the extension a flat roof :/13:28
mgdmhehe13:29
mgdmthe Clyde Heliport is nearby13:29
mgdmthough not where I saw the Sea King13:29
* brobostigon now stwitches to ch4.13:29
SuperEngineerother interesting facts re local airport... 2 crashes in as many days!13:29
mgdmo_O13:29
MartijnVdSSuperEngineer: con-TROLL-ing13:29
MartijnVdSSuperEngineer: (from the con-troll tower)13:30
SuperEngineeroh - now there's a nice thought - conning trolls... mmmm13:30
SuperEngineerpatent trollls & bullies doubly so13:31
MartijnVdSSuperEngineer: it's the reverse of the "419 baiter"13:31
SuperEngineermgdm: channel4? what, miss the Suzi Perry/Eddie Jordon comedy hour?13:32
mgdmSuperEngineer: I'm not on ch4, that's brobostigon13:33
SuperEngineerMartijnVdS: 419 baiter? [/me looks up phrase]13:33
MartijnVdSStar Trek IV: Free Willy?13:33
SuperEngineermgdm: forgiven ;)13:33
brobostigoni think i would rather watch one of the best star treks films, to be honest.13:33
brobostigonMartijnVdS: voyage home, :)13:34
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: the one with the whales, right?13:34
brobostigonMartijnVdS: yep.13:34
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: hence "Free Willy"13:34
brobostigonMartijnVdS: i understood the joke, it was funny, :)13:34
SuperEngineer...but there was only 1 whale - poor sod13:34
mgdmthere were 213:34
brobostigonyep, there were two.13:35
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: Close Encounters (of the 3rd kind) on Five later on13:35
brobostigonMartijnVdS: also cool :)13:35
SuperEngineer... there was 1 - then 2 - then 4 - then 16..... :D13:35
shauno(┬▒petunias)13:36
brobostigonHHGTTG13:36
brobostigonmagrathea.13:37
brobostigonabove magrathea.*13:37
SuperEngineerMartijnVdS: ah... *now* I understand 419 baiter13:37
MartijnVdSSuperEngineer: it's trolling conners, instead of conning trolls :)13:38
SuperEngineeryup13:38
shaunoI remember reading something that advocated spam filters should be trying to do that automatically13:40
SuperEngineerbrobostigon: Douglas A - RIP13:41
brobostigonSuperEngineer: yes. huge shame, before his time.13:41
SuperEngineer[I wonder what that thing approaching.... ;)13:41
shaunothe logic was that most of these 'nigerian princes' are meant to be absurdly obvious, because it results in a very narrow, gullible, self-selecting response rate13:42
SuperEngineerlife.. don't talk to about about life... here I am, brain the size of a planet..." - use that whwn a customer really bores me13:42
SuperEngineer...thgey usually go quiet afer that13:43
shaunoand that having spam filters try to start conversations with the spammers would completely destroy the effort:result ratio at the spammer's end13:43
SuperEngineer...F1 is a woinderful thing - takes one's mind off current computer "problem" [non-problem as it turns out]13:44
* SuperEngineer is embarrassed13:45
SuperEngineerMartijnVdS: thanks for the help & suggestions re Steam disk loss - it is solved13:45
brobostigonlarge bag of crisps, beer and a good film, what more can you ask for, :)13:46
SuperEngineerbrobostigon: a yacht, a helicopter, a fast car...13:46
SuperEngineer...and Eddie Jordan13:47
brobostigonSuperEngineer: those are all too expensive.13:47
SuperEngineerbrobostigon: dunno - never - bought an Eddie Jordan!13:47
brobostigonSuperEngineer: i was indirectly referring to the cost of sky tv.13:48
SuperEngineerlol13:48
* penguin42 wonders if there is any way of delaying the start of a program in session startup13:48
SuperEngineerpenguin42: don't start it in auto - start manual?  serious13:49
penguin42SuperEngineer: I'm looking at a bootchart of my dads machine; one of the things thrashing the disk during login is update-notifier/apt - which I do want to autostart, but it could do with sitting back and taking it gently while the user logs in and gets on with their life13:51
SuperEngineerpenguin42: agreed13:53
penguin42I flipped his machine to cfq (from deadline) and it does seem to have taken a few seconds off startup, but there are some dumb things I can see in the bootchart13:54
SuperEngineerthat reminds me - think it might be time to say bbs - own startup has been slowing recently - just installed bootchart [again]13:58
SuperEngineer...& MartijnVdS thanks for your help earlier13:59
MartijnVdSnp :)14:04
* mgdm is watching Star Trek IV: Where'd the Whales Go? on +115:01
mgdmI do have it on blu ray, somewhere15:01
* penguin42 offers his mouse to mgdm15:01
AlanBello/ daubers15:04
MartijnVdSA wild daubers appears?15:05
mgdmpenguin42: a mouse? :)15:06
penguin42mgdm: Computer!15:09
mgdmmy computer doesn't have an optical drive15:10
mgdmand I don't know of any online services that have the film15:10
mgdmand it's on telly right now :)15:10
penguin42mgdm: Just remember what I've said while you're watching it15:21
mgdmpenguin42: OOOOH15:22
mgdmpenguin42: I fail :(15:22
mgdmsorry :(15:22
penguin42hehe16:01
mgdmwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwub16:26
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MyrttiWHY am I watching Premier League from telly? Boggle.16:49
MartijnVdSMyrtti: yes.. WHY16:50
* DJones sends the men in white coats to collect Myrtti 16:55
Myrttiwhat17:03
Myrttianother game straight after the first one?17:03
Myrttithis is too much17:03
MartijnVdSMyrtti: you're obviously ill17:03
* Myrtti finally bothers to get the remote and turn the channel over17:04
MartijnVdSone of those days eh17:04
mjaykanybody here to to a LUG in the nw of the Uk?17:16
MartijnVdSNorth-west of the UK, or north-west of just England? :)17:16
mjaykah :) England17:17
mjaykyea i didnt say what i ment17:17
MartijnVdSthere's Manlug, ask penguin42 about that17:17
MartijnVdSalso http://lug.org.uk/lugs/north-west17:18
mjayki presume thats manchester17:18
mjaykcheers17:18
penguin42oh, sorry I was making dinner17:28
brobostigoni am making a chilli for my gf tmrw evening, wish me luck.17:32
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: you can do it :)17:34
brobostigoni know i can, :). i have made ones for myself many times.17:34
daubersAlanBell: o/ Still around?18:50
AlanBellyes18:56
daubersAlanBell: Is your's and the opensourcerers company an LLP? Or is it something else?18:58
AlanBellit is a limited company19:00
AlanBellllp is for accountants and soliciters19:00
daubersAh, fair enough :)19:00
brobostigonlimited liability19:01
daubersI've been offered a share in an LLP, so I'm trying to find someone unrelated to it that runs one so I can get some insight into it19:01
AlanBellhmm, interesting19:01
AlanBellit doesn't have shares, that makes no sense19:02
mgdmI came across an LLP that was an estate agents in a previous line of work, never heard of it for anything that wasn't in that sort of area19:02
AlanBellyou would have to be a partner, not a shareholder19:02
daubersAlanBell: No, "share" is the wrong technical term. I would be a partner with a certain %age stake19:02
AlanBellyup, that makes sense :O19:03
daubersSorry, business terminology still makes me confused19:03
daubers(Still seems like a "share" to me, but I admit it's not "technically" correct)19:04
AlanBellyou probably need to talk to someone who knows a bit more about it than me :)19:09
AlanBellI would be a bit wary about being a partner if you are not actually going to be a partner19:09
daubersAlanBell: I would be a partner, I'd also be running it day to day19:10
AlanBellin that case, it sounds appropriate19:10
daubersYeah. Might be a trip to the library for a day coming up19:11
mungbeani'm new to wheely bins. anyone else get massive maggot infestation in this weather?19:49
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popeyevening all20:31
popeymungbean: not here20:32
mungbeanthere are nappies in the bin:S20:33
mungbeanmight not help20:33
popeyare they inside nappy bags?20:35
mungbeanyes20:35
mungbeanstill. the bin gets opened quite a bit i guess20:36
mungbeanthere were 3 flies on it the other day20:36
mungbeanbin opened...flies in = party20:36
MartijnVdSstop hiding the bodies in those bins?20:36
mungbeanespecially when bin men come and scuzz gets on the lid20:36
mungbeanmy sister got a new laptop. 2 days later i'm cleaning off malware20:37
MartijnVdSwe have wheely bin cleaners here.. who come after the bin men and powerwash the inside20:37
MartijnVdSmungbean: yay windows20:37
mungbeanalready had MSSE installed but meh20:37
popeyyeah, we have those here20:37
mungbeanunsure if it came from an installer or  not as her husband had run system restore pt already20:38
popeywe have never had ours cleaned in ~12 years of living here20:38
mungbeanalthough malware remained20:38
MartijnVdSheh.. the Dutch Dell XPS-13 "Ubuntu edition" page:20:38
MartijnVdSUBUNTU: De beste prestaties met Windows 8 Pro20:39
MartijnVdS("Ubuntu: The best performance with Windows 8 Pro")20:39
popey*sigh*20:39
AlanBellDell does it again20:39
mungbeanmy bruv got good deal on a laptop though. 207£20:39
MartijnVdSwill there be a Haswell version eventually?20:39
popeythey tend to rev their hardware in autumn20:40
MartijnVdSpopey: which is now-ish :)20:40
MartijnVdSor soon-ish anyway20:40
popeybut I suspect if sputnik is deemed "popular" inside Dell, they yeah20:40
popeythe ultrabook will get an update anyway, whether the sputnik build does or not.. who knows20:40
mungbeanthere are laptops with a celeron 1.1ghz processor :|20:41
mungbeancalled celron 84720:41
mungbeanseems to work ok for average joe20:41
shaunoit shouldn't be that bad.  it's a santa rosa dualcore.  probably plenty for mum-class laptops20:43
shaunoare, sandy bridge rather20:43
AlanBellsputnik won't be deemed popular because they keep it in a locked filcabinet at the bottom of some broken stairs behind a web page that says beware of the leopard and Dell recommends windows 820:44
mungbeanshauno: yeah, seems ok, except for the win820:45
mungbeanthey couldn't find anything, average users are so lost on it20:45
popeyAlanBell: not what i hear20:47
popeyinternally it's got some praise20:47
MyrttiI think I'll get the sputnik if everything works out20:52
AlanBellhttps://plus.google.com/109175303602657131317/posts/2xmzkx9vBg520:52
AlanBellit is ridiculous how badly they describe it after so much time20:53
penguin42AlanBell: Haha!20:57
popeyI notice AlanBell doesn't file bugs or contact people anymore, but just rants on G+20:57
Azelphurisn't that how everything gets fixed20:58
* Azelphur runs20:58
AlanBellbetter place for screenshots than IRC21:04
AlanBelland I do file bugs21:04
AlanBellI don't know where to file a bug about Dell's website though :)21:05
AlanBellI don't encounter so many bugs with 13.10, but I did file some when I tried xmir21:05
popey\o/ ship it21:06
AlanBellyeah, everyone should run 13.10 it rocks21:06
AlanBellxmir might be a bit early to run though, and I don't really know what the benefit of it is21:07
ali1234well the thing about dell selling ubuntu laptops is...21:38
ali1234nobody is going to be mislead by the website21:38
ali1234except maybe a few people who buy ubuntu by mistake21:38
ali1234because they think it has windows, because the website says it does21:39
ali1234literally no one is going to go to the dell website and see "oh, laptops with ubuntu. i've never heard of that, so i'll spend $1200 on a laptop with an OS i know nothing about"21:40
AlanBelltrue, which is probably one reason vendors are reluctant to sell Ubuntu laptops for less than the windows equivalent21:41
ali1234there's no reason to even sell cmputers with ubuntu pre installed21:42
ali1234you'll get exactly the same number of extra sales by selling them with no operating system21:43
AlanBellyeah, we bought a novatech for that reason21:43
popeydepends on the region21:44
mgdmblimey, gitlab really does look awfully like it was 'inspired by' Github21:44
popeyheh21:44
popeyi do enjoy gitlab21:44
AlanBellit is a much easier thing to ask manufacturers to do, ship things without operating system21:44
AlanBellor list the operating system as a separately priced option21:44
AlanBellthat Dell thing is shipping with "Ubuntu Edition version 12.04" first thing I would do is reinstall it with 13.10 and maybe add back the Dell tweaks21:46
AlanBellshipping it blank would be just fine21:47
popeylaura has one and is using 12.04 on it21:53
popeyi know a few others who wiped and put 13.10 on it21:53
popeysorry, 13.0421:53
penguin42AlanBell: Dell will generally ship you any of their machines with FreeDOS on if you're a business customer (or would a few years back)22:03
penguin42actually to be fair I never did try with laptops, but desktops and servers I did22:05
AlanBellthey wouldn't sell to me in a reasonable timescale last time I tried, so I went elsewhere and got a Samsung22:09
AlanBellthat was some years ago, I will try again next time I am in a laptop purchasing mood22:10
penguin42AlanBell: Nod; but certainly must go through the business side - no chance with the customer people22:22
* bigcalm wanders in after a great weekend at his parents'22:23
AlanBellpenguin42: yeah, I did that, there was a whole comedy of purchase orders and proforma invoices and quotes and a 6 week lead time for something more expensive than the windows version22:24
AlanBellor I could get the windows version for less money shipping next day. So I got a Samsung instead.22:25
AlanBelltimescale was a bigger deal than the price, but when it came to the fact I couldn't get a linux laptop within a week or so I just picked a good price/performance combination and that wasn't Dell22:26
penguin42AlanBell: OK interesting, the desktops/servers they had nailed - we could normally get them within 2 or 3 days22:32
AlanBellyeah, probably helps if you are an existing customer with a standard order22:46
penguin42I used to buy a fair amount of stuff from them, but normally different; they could put arbitrary servers/cpu/ram/disk combinations together very quickly - but not done it for ~6 years22:50

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