[07:58] good morning everyone, [08:10] \o brobostigon [08:10] morning MartijnVdS === max_ is now known as hdsler_ [10:42] o/ [10:47] * SuperEngineer watches BTCC in prep for Grand Prix coverage [10:47] [it's far more interesting than searching for where Steam nicked my disk space] ;) [10:53] SuperEngineer: ~/.steam probabl [10:53] or ~/.local/share/Steam [10:54] been hunting in both - can't find the4 [5?] GB it nickeed after cancelling a download [10:55] SuperEngineer: check using 'baobab' [10:55] [seemed to reserve space somehow and not release it] [10:55] baobab - heard of that [and not just the tree] [10:56] oh - du - been using that in x and in CLI [10:56] [to no joy] [10:58] Steam taking 33GB [18 installed games though] ;) [11:00] [but baobab is an extremely appropriate name for dua] [11:06] SuperEngineer: there should be a temp file, or a directory withthe name of the download you cancelled [11:06] MartijnVdS: http://imagebin.org/268726 it's somewhere is Left for Dead... [11:06] somewhere in the steam dir [11:06] started downloading beta which is now live - cancelled it [already have non-beta & happy with it] [11:07] ho hum - nearly F1 time - that'll take my mind off it! [11:07] F1! [11:08] Belgium GP coverage starts 12.10 BBC1 [11:09] race starts in 50 mins [11:10] ..and here comes the theme music! === SirCrispinTheJew is now known as RaycisCharles [11:46] phew! just started a steam game directly from the .exe file... wrong! killed output to monitor [11:46] .exe file?! [11:47] [fortunately it was showing on HDMI on tv... very wrong resolution - but enough to do a clean a shut down [11:48] MartijnVdS: yup - found that in the Left for Dead folder [11:48] weird.. but probably best for consistency to name the executable that everywhere [11:48] hmmm [11:49] [also found the Left for Dead folder has a Left for Dead folder inside it! [11:49] messy [11:52] Anyone here have Left FOr Dead installed under Steam - a comparison would be wonderful right now ;) [11:54] 1 or 2 ? [11:55] F1 race -5 folks [11:55] yeah, just got the official intro :) [11:55] ST4 voyage home, ch4 2.30pm, :) [11:55] MartijnVdS: 2 [11:55] would have been there, but camping is NOT for me [11:56] + sunburn [11:56] + feeling bad overall [11:56] = early drive home [11:56] glamping would be more for me, i like my bath, :) [11:56] brobostigon: yeah, if I go again, it'll be race-day only, and sleeping in a hotel [11:56] and with friends [11:57] :) [11:58] oh well, I have some photos and videos [11:58] (see G+) [11:58] had a walk around the circuit on Friday [11:58] :) [11:59] SuperEngineer: which directory do you want to compare? [12:01] [zo 14:00] :) martijn@desktop:~/.../share/Steam/SteamApps/common/Left 4 Dead 2$ ls [12:01] bin hl2 left4dead2 left4dead2_dlc3 platform [12:01] argh! [12:01] config hl2_linux left4dead2_dlc1 left4dead2.exe steam_appid.txt [12:01] meant to paste the pastebin link [12:01] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6024809/ [12:01] stupid chromeos [12:08] MartijnVdS: just wonering if the 'Left For Dead 2' dir has a 'leftfordead2' dir in it [12:10] SuperEngineer: see the paste [12:14] MartijnVdS: thanks - it's identical [12:17] p.s. next time I find a tent with abath attached... I'll let you know ;) [12:42] almost halfway already [12:47] ..and still no rain [12:47] :( they predicted 16mm a few days ago [12:47] yup [12:48] [methinks the 2 Brits wanted the rain] [12:48] ...rain meisters both [12:51] Good at driving on twisty roads while it's raining? They must be Brits ;) [12:51] where else do you get the practice [12:53] ..they all learnt to drive with 1 hand on steering wheel & 1 hand carrying an umbrella [12:55] SuperEngineer: on B roads in Cornwall? [12:55] MartijnVdS: lol [12:58] and that coming together is what is technically called a "whoopsie" ;) [12:58] 8-) [12:58] *is <-> technically [v. bad grammar - slaps own wrist] [13:05] * mgdm thinks your corrected version sounds wrong === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [13:08] mgdm: "is what is"??!! that's good? nah! next you'll be telling me you "finks ya corrected version sounds wrong, know what I mean" [13:10] I'm from nearly as far away as you can be from Essex while staying in the UK, and think that accent sounds like chewing tinfoil, so no :-) [13:10] mgdm: gawd bless ya cotton socks mate [13:11] ;) [13:11] * mgdm wonders what accent that's meant to be :) [13:11] cockerney [13:11] ah! hehe [13:12] not Somersetese? ;) [13:14] MartijnVdS: nope - that would be "bless yeer cotton socks madear" ; [13:16] [or - "no, officer, honestly... I found the venison - it just dropped dead front in of I" ;) [13:20] why doesn't the helicopter cutting the corners & going "off track" get a stop/go penalty! [13:21] only a few more laps! [13:21] SuperEngineer: those helicopters (2!) are scary to watch [13:21] SuperEngineer: those pilots must be insane [13:21] SuperEngineer: last time they had a car with a big fan on, it got banned [13:22] MartijnVdS: yup - best view & best fun on the circuit [13:23] "What's your job?" "Oh, I fly around F1 circuits in a helicopter, just above the tree tops" [13:23] mgdm: that was 1 of the helos! it was running low on fuel ;) [13:23] he must be a hit at parties ;) [13:23] Yeah, the Tyrell Apache [13:24] MartijnVdS: "Oh, I try to fly around F1 circuits in a helicopter, just above the tree tops- whoops!!!!" [13:24] mgdm: it was the hellfire missiles that made them ban it, not the fan. [13:24] * brobostigon puts ch4 on, [13:24] but.. only 1 more lap of f1! [13:25] * brobostigon waits. [13:25] I bet the secret is they're just trying to troll the cameraman [13:25] mgdm: had 2 Apaches land for fuel at local airport last week... "anyone want to pick an argunment" was the most common phrase [13:26] hehe [13:26] a Navy Sea King appeared from behind the building beside my flat last night [13:26] that was surprising [13:26] silence to WHOMP WHOMP WHOMP [13:26] they're not known for being sneaky [13:27] the whomping willow! [13:27] followed by Sea King pilot going "hey, who nicked the sea?!" [13:28] Has Hamilton changed his name to Vettel? [13:28] SuperEngineer: only on weekends [13:28] lol [13:28] we used to get sea kings flying low quite often because we were far too close to the helipad at the local hospital (south lakes, so coastguard+mountain rescue double-whammy). we used to joke that we shouldn't have made the extension a flat roof :/ [13:29] hehe [13:29] the Clyde Heliport is nearby [13:29] though not where I saw the Sea King [13:29] * brobostigon now stwitches to ch4. [13:29] other interesting facts re local airport... 2 crashes in as many days! [13:29] o_O [13:29] SuperEngineer: con-TROLL-ing [13:30] SuperEngineer: (from the con-troll tower) [13:30] oh - now there's a nice thought - conning trolls... mmmm [13:31] patent trollls & bullies doubly so [13:31] SuperEngineer: it's the reverse of the "419 baiter" [13:32] mgdm: channel4? what, miss the Suzi Perry/Eddie Jordon comedy hour? [13:33] SuperEngineer: I'm not on ch4, that's brobostigon [13:33] MartijnVdS: 419 baiter? [/me looks up phrase] [13:33] Star Trek IV: Free Willy? [13:33] mgdm: forgiven ;) [13:33] i think i would rather watch one of the best star treks films, to be honest. [13:34] MartijnVdS: voyage home, :) [13:34] brobostigon: the one with the whales, right? [13:34] MartijnVdS: yep. [13:34] brobostigon: hence "Free Willy" [13:34] MartijnVdS: i understood the joke, it was funny, :) [13:34] ...but there was only 1 whale - poor sod [13:34] there were 2 [13:35] yep, there were two. [13:35] brobostigon: Close Encounters (of the 3rd kind) on Five later on [13:35] MartijnVdS: also cool :) [13:35] ... there was 1 - then 2 - then 4 - then 16..... :D [13:36] (±petunias) [13:36] HHGTTG [13:37] magrathea. [13:37] above magrathea.* [13:37] MartijnVdS: ah... *now* I understand 419 baiter [13:38] SuperEngineer: it's trolling conners, instead of conning trolls :) [13:38] yup [13:40] I remember reading something that advocated spam filters should be trying to do that automatically [13:41] brobostigon: Douglas A - RIP [13:41] SuperEngineer: yes. huge shame, before his time. [13:41] [I wonder what that thing approaching.... ;) [13:42] the logic was that most of these 'nigerian princes' are meant to be absurdly obvious, because it results in a very narrow, gullible, self-selecting response rate [13:42] life.. don't talk to about about life... here I am, brain the size of a planet..." - use that whwn a customer really bores me [13:43] ...thgey usually go quiet afer that [13:43] and that having spam filters try to start conversations with the spammers would completely destroy the effort:result ratio at the spammer's end [13:44] ...F1 is a woinderful thing - takes one's mind off current computer "problem" [non-problem as it turns out] [13:45] * SuperEngineer is embarrassed [13:45] MartijnVdS: thanks for the help & suggestions re Steam disk loss - it is solved [13:46] large bag of crisps, beer and a good film, what more can you ask for, :) [13:46] brobostigon: a yacht, a helicopter, a fast car... [13:47] ...and Eddie Jordan [13:47] SuperEngineer: those are all too expensive. [13:47] brobostigon: dunno - never - bought an Eddie Jordan! [13:48] SuperEngineer: i was indirectly referring to the cost of sky tv. [13:48] lol [13:48] * penguin42 wonders if there is any way of delaying the start of a program in session startup [13:49] penguin42: don't start it in auto - start manual? serious [13:51] SuperEngineer: I'm looking at a bootchart of my dads machine; one of the things thrashing the disk during login is update-notifier/apt - which I do want to autostart, but it could do with sitting back and taking it gently while the user logs in and gets on with their life [13:53] penguin42: agreed [13:54] I flipped his machine to cfq (from deadline) and it does seem to have taken a few seconds off startup, but there are some dumb things I can see in the bootchart [13:58] that reminds me - think it might be time to say bbs - own startup has been slowing recently - just installed bootchart [again] [13:59] ...& MartijnVdS thanks for your help earlier [14:04] np :) [15:01] * mgdm is watching Star Trek IV: Where'd the Whales Go? on +1 [15:01] I do have it on blu ray, somewhere [15:01] * penguin42 offers his mouse to mgdm [15:04] o/ daubers [15:05] A wild daubers appears? [15:06] penguin42: a mouse? :) [15:09] mgdm: Computer! [15:10] my computer doesn't have an optical drive [15:10] and I don't know of any online services that have the film [15:10] and it's on telly right now :) [15:21] mgdm: Just remember what I've said while you're watching it [15:22] penguin42: OOOOH [15:22] penguin42: I fail :( [15:22] sorry :( [16:01] hehe [16:26] wubwubwubwubwubwubwubwub === max__ is now known as hdsler_ [16:49] WHY am I watching Premier League from telly? Boggle. [16:50] Myrtti: yes.. WHY [16:55] * DJones sends the men in white coats to collect Myrtti [17:03] what [17:03] another game straight after the first one? [17:03] this is too much [17:03] Myrtti: you're obviously ill [17:04] * Myrtti finally bothers to get the remote and turn the channel over [17:04] one of those days eh [17:16] anybody here to to a LUG in the nw of the Uk? [17:16] North-west of the UK, or north-west of just England? :) [17:17] ah :) England [17:17] yea i didnt say what i ment [17:17] there's Manlug, ask penguin42 about that [17:18] also http://lug.org.uk/lugs/north-west [17:18] i presume thats manchester [17:18] cheers [17:28] oh, sorry I was making dinner [17:32] i am making a chilli for my gf tmrw evening, wish me luck. [17:34] brobostigon: you can do it :) [17:34] i know i can, :). i have made ones for myself many times. [18:50] AlanBell: o/ Still around? [18:56] yes [18:58] AlanBell: Is your's and the opensourcerers company an LLP? Or is it something else? [19:00] it is a limited company [19:00] llp is for accountants and soliciters [19:00] Ah, fair enough :) [19:01] limited liability [19:01] I've been offered a share in an LLP, so I'm trying to find someone unrelated to it that runs one so I can get some insight into it [19:01] hmm, interesting [19:02] it doesn't have shares, that makes no sense [19:02] I came across an LLP that was an estate agents in a previous line of work, never heard of it for anything that wasn't in that sort of area [19:02] you would have to be a partner, not a shareholder [19:02] AlanBell: No, "share" is the wrong technical term. I would be a partner with a certain %age stake [19:03] yup, that makes sense :O [19:03] Sorry, business terminology still makes me confused [19:04] (Still seems like a "share" to me, but I admit it's not "technically" correct) [19:09] you probably need to talk to someone who knows a bit more about it than me :) [19:09] I would be a bit wary about being a partner if you are not actually going to be a partner [19:10] AlanBell: I would be a partner, I'd also be running it day to day [19:10] in that case, it sounds appropriate [19:11] Yeah. Might be a trip to the library for a day coming up [19:49] i'm new to wheely bins. anyone else get massive maggot infestation in this weather? === SirCrispinTheJew is now known as GentileBen [20:31] evening all [20:32] mungbean: not here [20:33] there are nappies in the bin:S [20:33] might not help [20:35] are they inside nappy bags? [20:35] yes [20:36] still. the bin gets opened quite a bit i guess [20:36] there were 3 flies on it the other day [20:36] bin opened...flies in = party [20:36] stop hiding the bodies in those bins? [20:36] especially when bin men come and scuzz gets on the lid [20:37] my sister got a new laptop. 2 days later i'm cleaning off malware [20:37] we have wheely bin cleaners here.. who come after the bin men and powerwash the inside [20:37] mungbean: yay windows [20:37] already had MSSE installed but meh [20:37] yeah, we have those here [20:38] unsure if it came from an installer or not as her husband had run system restore pt already [20:38] we have never had ours cleaned in ~12 years of living here [20:38] although malware remained [20:38] heh.. the Dutch Dell XPS-13 "Ubuntu edition" page: [20:39] UBUNTU: De beste prestaties met Windows 8 Pro [20:39] ("Ubuntu: The best performance with Windows 8 Pro") [20:39] *sigh* [20:39] Dell does it again [20:39] my bruv got good deal on a laptop though. 207£ [20:39] will there be a Haswell version eventually? [20:40] they tend to rev their hardware in autumn [20:40] popey: which is now-ish :) [20:40] or soon-ish anyway [20:40] but I suspect if sputnik is deemed "popular" inside Dell, they yeah [20:40] the ultrabook will get an update anyway, whether the sputnik build does or not.. who knows [20:41] there are laptops with a celeron 1.1ghz processor :| [20:41] called celron 847 [20:41] seems to work ok for average joe [20:43] it shouldn't be that bad. it's a santa rosa dualcore. probably plenty for mum-class laptops [20:43] are, sandy bridge rather [20:44] sputnik won't be deemed popular because they keep it in a locked filcabinet at the bottom of some broken stairs behind a web page that says beware of the leopard and Dell recommends windows 8 [20:45] shauno: yeah, seems ok, except for the win8 [20:45] they couldn't find anything, average users are so lost on it [20:47] AlanBell: not what i hear [20:47] internally it's got some praise [20:52] I think I'll get the sputnik if everything works out [20:52] https://plus.google.com/109175303602657131317/posts/2xmzkx9vBg5 [20:53] it is ridiculous how badly they describe it after so much time [20:57] AlanBell: Haha! [20:57] I notice AlanBell doesn't file bugs or contact people anymore, but just rants on G+ [20:58] isn't that how everything gets fixed [20:58] * Azelphur runs [21:04] better place for screenshots than IRC [21:04] and I do file bugs [21:05] I don't know where to file a bug about Dell's website though :) [21:05] I don't encounter so many bugs with 13.10, but I did file some when I tried xmir [21:06] \o/ ship it [21:06] yeah, everyone should run 13.10 it rocks [21:07] xmir might be a bit early to run though, and I don't really know what the benefit of it is [21:38] well the thing about dell selling ubuntu laptops is... [21:38] nobody is going to be mislead by the website [21:38] except maybe a few people who buy ubuntu by mistake [21:39] because they think it has windows, because the website says it does [21:40] literally no one is going to go to the dell website and see "oh, laptops with ubuntu. i've never heard of that, so i'll spend $1200 on a laptop with an OS i know nothing about" [21:41] true, which is probably one reason vendors are reluctant to sell Ubuntu laptops for less than the windows equivalent [21:42] there's no reason to even sell cmputers with ubuntu pre installed [21:43] you'll get exactly the same number of extra sales by selling them with no operating system [21:43] yeah, we bought a novatech for that reason [21:44] depends on the region [21:44] blimey, gitlab really does look awfully like it was 'inspired by' Github [21:44] heh [21:44] i do enjoy gitlab [21:44] it is a much easier thing to ask manufacturers to do, ship things without operating system [21:44] or list the operating system as a separately priced option [21:46] that Dell thing is shipping with "Ubuntu Edition version 12.04" first thing I would do is reinstall it with 13.10 and maybe add back the Dell tweaks [21:47] shipping it blank would be just fine [21:53] laura has one and is using 12.04 on it [21:53] i know a few others who wiped and put 13.10 on it [21:53] sorry, 13.04 [22:03] AlanBell: Dell will generally ship you any of their machines with FreeDOS on if you're a business customer (or would a few years back) [22:05] actually to be fair I never did try with laptops, but desktops and servers I did [22:09] they wouldn't sell to me in a reasonable timescale last time I tried, so I went elsewhere and got a Samsung [22:10] that was some years ago, I will try again next time I am in a laptop purchasing mood [22:22] AlanBell: Nod; but certainly must go through the business side - no chance with the customer people [22:23] * bigcalm wanders in after a great weekend at his parents' [22:24] penguin42: yeah, I did that, there was a whole comedy of purchase orders and proforma invoices and quotes and a 6 week lead time for something more expensive than the windows version [22:25] or I could get the windows version for less money shipping next day. So I got a Samsung instead. [22:26] timescale was a bigger deal than the price, but when it came to the fact I couldn't get a linux laptop within a week or so I just picked a good price/performance combination and that wasn't Dell [22:32] AlanBell: OK interesting, the desktops/servers they had nailed - we could normally get them within 2 or 3 days [22:46] yeah, probably helps if you are an existing customer with a standard order [22:50] I used to buy a fair amount of stuff from them, but normally different; they could put arbitrary servers/cpu/ram/disk combinations together very quickly - but not done it for ~6 years