[05:40] <Kilos> cremora minora
[06:26] <Kilos> morning not_found 
[06:28] <not_found> Good morning uncle Kilos, how are you today?
[06:28] <Kilos> good ty not_found and you?
[06:28] <Kilos> hows the studying going?
[06:29] <not_found> No complaints thanks :) - I was going to ask the same question about the studying :D ... and it hasn't gone yet on my side :/
[06:29] <Kilos> lol
[06:29] <Kilos> its all driving me crazy
[06:33] <not_found> why, programs not wanting to work?
[06:34] <Kilos> no man trying to remember all the stuff and what they do
[06:34] <Kilos> so many words that are meaningless still
[06:34] <Kilos> just in bash for beginners
[06:36] <not_found> that is the thing, once you learn it you have to apply it over and over day after day or it will just fade away again (and that is where you need that precious thing called time)
[06:38] <Kilos> ai!
[06:38] <Kilos> hardware is much easier
[06:39] <Kilos> but also frustrating
[06:39] <not_found> hardware is more static :p
[06:40] <Kilos> latest thing this week is when booting this pc bios gets to where it sees drives then it hangs there and 5 mins later auto reboots and runs through everything lekker fast and boots
[06:40] <Kilos> like needs a warm up period
[06:40] <Kilos> also hardware you can sort for good with a 4lb hammer
[06:41] <Kilos> im back on the 500g drive that kept crashing and its running fine with evolution purged
[06:43] <not_found> Well I hope the hardware holds up on your side uncle Kilos, nothing more frustrating than faulty hardware (especially when it is intermittent)
[06:45] <Kilos> ty. but strange that on 12.04 unity and kde on 2 different drives pc kept crashing
[06:45] <Kilos> must be a security hole in evo somewhere
[06:46] <not_found> or just a bug
[06:47] <Kilos> yeah but a bug that can crash the mbr so bios doesnt see the drive even
[06:48] <not_found> can even be a bug in the BIOS
[06:49] <Kilos> i found a nice tool for that in xp on gigabytes mobo's
[06:49] <Kilos> called @bios
[06:50] <not_found> who knows what combination of events must come together to cause issues...
[06:50] <Kilos> online flash and upgrade
[06:50] <not_found> most newer hardware has something similar...
[06:50] <Kilos> but i dunno if this board has a jumper to block it
[06:51] <not_found> I am not a fan of flashing hardware how ever... easiest way to brick something :)
[06:51] <Kilos> no man the flashrom guys help you sort it
[06:51] <Kilos> but you need to understand what they say
[06:53] <Kilos> looks like all they do is flashrom scripts for all pcs
[06:55] <Kilos> and if you can get a floppy working you can boot with bios upgrade floppies
[07:04] <Kilos> maybe one could do it with a usb stick as well
[07:17] <not_found> I would imagine it is dependent to what extent the BIOS is crippled... I have heard many stories of motherboards having to be replaced or at the very least the BIOS chips on them
[07:18] <Kilos> yes thats the norm but them okes fix bricked mobos
[07:18] <Kilos> i get their mails on whats wrong and what to fix
[07:18] <Kilos> but dont understand them anyway
[07:19] <Kilos> they even have a channel on irc
[07:19] <Kilos> and flashrom is in ubuntu repos
[07:20] <Kilos> only im scared to even try it because you gotta be a pro to understand them
[07:20] <Kilos> but im sure there are tons of bricked mobos that can be fixed
[07:21] <not_found> possible
[07:23] <Kilos> linux geeks are clever
[07:30] <not_found> I am pretty sure it is geeks in general ;)
[07:31] <Kilos> i dunno i think lotsa win geeks throw good hardware away
[07:38] <not_found> oh and the average Ubuntu user doesn't?
[07:38] <Kilos> i was surprized when the 8ta networking guy came here to check what was wrong with my connection and the tower, he was quite familier with unity and even my opera browser
[07:38] <not_found> cool
[07:39] <Kilos> when i started with 8.10 every one said whats linux and whats ubuntu
[07:39]  * not_found is going to sign off for a bit... give some other peeps time to procrastinate on the PC... hope everyone has a nice Sunday...
[07:40] <Kilos> and thats only 4 years ago methinks
[07:40] <Kilos> haha
[07:47] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 do you have the info for RMS in pretoria please
[07:47] <Vince-0> Kilos!
[07:47] <Kilos> one of the youngsters wants to attend
[07:48] <Vince-0> let me see what's on the list
[07:52] <Kilos> ty
[07:54] <Vince-0> the wits one is mentioned here: http://softwarefreedom.co.za/
[07:54] <Vince-0> the Pretoria one is at SITA
[07:54] <Vince-0> trying to find the details
[07:58] <Vince-0> Jo'burg registration: http://sfd-jhb-2013-es2.eventbrite.com/
[07:58] <Kilos> Maaz, tell theblazehen on freenode http://softwarefreedom.co.za/  http://sfd-jhb-2013-es2.eventbrite.com/
[07:58] <Vince-0> cant seem to find a page for the Pretoria event
[07:58] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it, I'll tell theblazehen on freenode
[07:59] <Kilos> ty Vince-0 
[07:59] <Vince-0> kk
[07:59] <Kilos> he can look further
[09:26] <theblazehen> Kilos, I found the site that\nks :)
[09:28] <Kilos> cool
[09:46] <theblazehen> hey Vince-0 
[09:46] <Vince-0_> ow, dropped
[09:48] <theblazehen> ?
[10:11] <Vince-0> connection drops sometimes
[10:18] <charl> good afternoon all
[10:18] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[10:18]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[10:18] <charl> wb Vince-0 
[10:18] <Vince-0> haai
[10:21] <charl> i see you people are planning something for software freedom day
[10:21] <charl> i am thinking of going to amsterdam: http://www.softwarefreedomday.eu/2013/index.html
[10:22] <theblazehen> awesome charl 
[10:22] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[10:22] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[10:22] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[10:25] <theblazehen> Maaz: Coffee please
[10:25] <Maaz> theblazehen: There isn't a pot on
[10:25] <theblazehen> Maaz: Put a pot on
[10:25] <Maaz> theblazehen: Huh?
[10:26] <theblazehen> Maaz: coffee please
[10:26] <Maaz> theblazehen: There isn't a pot on
[10:26] <theblazehen> maaz: make me coffee please
[10:26] <Maaz> theblazehen: Excuse me?
[10:26] <theblazehen> maaz: make me coffee 
[10:26] <Maaz> theblazehen: Huh?
[10:26] <theblazehen> Fuck this shit!
[10:26] <theblazehen> Maaz coffee on
[10:26]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[10:27] <charl> lol
[10:28] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[10:28] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[10:29] <Kilos> yo charl 
[10:29] <theblazehen> maaz coffee?
[10:29] <Maaz> theblazehen: coffee is liquid code
[10:29] <charl> hi Kilos :)
[10:29] <theblazehen> lol Maaz 
[10:29] <theblazehen> hi Kilos 
[10:29] <Kilos> theblazehen, once he has done coffee on then ask coffee please
[10:30] <theblazehen> thanks Kilos 
[10:30] <theblazehen> maaz coffee please
[10:30] <Maaz> theblazehen: Now now, we don't want anyone getting caffeine overdoses
[10:30] <theblazehen> maaz coffee now!
[10:30] <Maaz> theblazehen: Sorry...
[10:30] <Kilos> haha
[10:30] <theblazehen> Maaz I never had any coffee yet
[10:30] <Maaz> theblazehen: Sorry...
[10:30] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for theblazehen and Kilos!
[10:30] <theblazehen> Maaz! I want my coffee
[10:30] <Maaz> theblazehen: Sorry...
[10:31] <Kilos> also once you did coffee on he will make you some
[10:31] <theblazehen> maaz coffee please
[10:31] <Maaz> theblazehen: There isn't a pot on
[10:31] <Kilos> no good then asking for coffee please because you are getting some already
[10:31] <theblazehen> Yeah
[10:31] <theblazehen> I need another cup?
[10:32] <Kilos> then you gott ask for large
[10:32] <Kilos> Maaz, large
[10:32] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[10:32] <theblazehen> maaz can I have a large coffee please?
[10:32] <Kilos> ai!
[10:32] <theblazehen> Maaz large
[10:32] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you theblazehen
[10:32] <theblazehen> thanks Maaz 
[10:32] <theblazehen> Maaz, how much coffee is left?
[10:32] <Maaz> theblazehen: If you say so
[10:33] <Kilos> dont ibid bots work on arch?
[10:33] <theblazehen> ibid?
[10:33] <Kilos> he only makes 4 cups
[10:33] <theblazehen> ok
[10:33] <Kilos> ya ibid is a bot written in python
[10:33] <theblazehen> Probably
[10:33] <Kilos> Maaz, ibid
[10:33] <Maaz> Kilos: Ibid is a multi-protocol general purpose chat bot written in Python. See: https://launchpad.net/ibid
[10:39] <Kilos> uh oh his coffee machine is broken again
[10:40] <theblazehen> lol
[10:40] <Kilos> supposed to deliver after 4 mins
[10:40] <theblazehen> ah ok
[10:40] <Kilos> hi Mezenir 
[10:42] <Kilos> QA, coffee on
[10:42]  * QA washes some mugs
[10:43] <theblazehen> Whose QA?
[10:43] <Kilos> now ask coffee please from QA theblazehen 
[10:43] <Kilos> my bot
[10:43] <theblazehen> QA coffee please
[10:43] <theblazehen> gtg
[10:43] <QA> theblazehen: Sure
[10:45] <Kilos> QA, large
[10:45] <QA> I'll make a jug full Kilos and you can topup at will, how's that?
[10:46] <QA> Coffee's ready for Kilos and theblazehen!
[10:50] <Kilos> QA, ty
[10:50] <QA> You're welcome Kilos
[10:54] <Kilos> yo Trixar_za 
[10:54] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[10:55] <Kilos> so have you gone with arch?
[10:56] <Trixar_za> Nah
[10:56] <Trixar_za> I'm trying to build my own using Buildroot
[10:56] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:58] <Trixar_za> http://forum.slitaz.org/topic/buildroot-slitaz
[11:07] <Kilos> best of luck Trixar_za you have some work ahead of you hey
[11:08] <Trixar_za> Yeah, a little. mdev doesn't behave exactly like udev :/
[11:08] <Kilos> what did you mean about the comment on tiny
[11:09] <Kilos> anally sparse
[11:14] <Kilos> i must look at tiny again. it might connect through my router
[11:14] <Trixar_za> Exactly what I said. They stubbornly take minimalism to the extreme
[11:14] <Kilos> oh
[11:41] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[14:02] <Mezenir> hey kilos
[14:02] <Mezenir> how are you ?
[14:06] <superfly> hi Mezenir
[14:08] <Mezenir> hey superfly
[14:08] <Mezenir> hows it going ?
[14:09] <superfly> sleepy thanks
[14:09] <superfly> and you?
[14:09] <Mezenir> hehe
[14:09] <Mezenir> now that you mention it ... ;)
[14:10] <Mezenir> im currently working on making a debian package for a java app
[14:10] <Mezenir> i used the jdeb ant task / maven plugin
[14:11] <Mezenir> it does the archiving for you
[14:11] <Mezenir> and you just need to provide the control files
[14:11] <Mezenir> so ive been doing a lot of reading on that lately
[14:11] <Mezenir> but it seems you dont really need more than a postinst script as far as maintainer scripts are concerned
[14:11] <Mezenir> in most cases
[14:13] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[14:13] <Kilos> good ty Mezenir 
[14:13] <Kilos> and you?
[14:14] <Kilos> sorry i was fetching the sheep
[14:20] <superfly> hi Kilos
[14:23] <Mezenir> good thanks
[14:37] <theblazehen> Netbook has graphics drivers! Finally :D!
[15:30] <Kilos> what took so long?
[15:30] <Kilos> arch
[15:31] <theblazehen> Nah, went shopping
[15:31] <Kilos> lol
[15:31] <theblazehen> Arch is dl'ing
[15:31] <theblazehen> this is really shit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States
[15:33] <Kilos> what they making clones or genetically modifying
[15:33] <theblazehen> no?
[15:35] <theblazehen> bbs
[16:54] <Kilos> inetpro, jy laat nê
[17:12] <Kilos> hehe
[18:03] <inetpro> Kilos: uh?
[18:04] <inetpro> good evening
[18:04] <Kilos> gewoonlik is jy bietjie vroer op n sondag aand
[18:04] <Kilos> lo pro
[18:04] <inetpro> ai!
[18:04] <Kilos> jy bang ek laat jou werk 
[18:04] <inetpro> :-)
[18:04] <Kilos> hehe als werk goed hier man
[18:05]  * inetpro looking for a Samsung Google Nexus S battery
[18:05] <Kilos> enter that competition and win a whole fone
[18:05] <inetpro> my old phone's battery not so stable any more
[18:06] <inetpro> now I found something at Dino Direct but have never ordered from them
[18:06] <Kilos> lol like my nokia, charger must stay connected or 5 mins dead
[18:07] <Kilos> there must be somewhere locally that you can walk in and buy one immediately
[18:08] <inetpro> Kilos: ek sukkel
[18:08] <Kilos> ai!
[18:08] <Kilos> wat see google
[18:08] <inetpro> everywhere I go they say nope
[18:08] <Kilos> se
[18:08] <Kilos> ai!
[18:08] <inetpro> they don't sell that battery anywhere here
[18:08] <Kilos> lexus is that yankee fone
[18:09] <inetpro> Nexus
[18:09] <inetpro> not lexus
[18:09] <Kilos> or an i thinking of the nexus car
[18:09] <Kilos> ai!
[18:09] <Kilos> ya that 
[18:09] <inetpro> :-)
[18:10] <Kilos> QA, google where to buy a battery for a nexus s in pretoria
[18:10] <QA> Kilos: "Battery Booster Lite - Android Apps on Google Play" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=imoblife.batterybooster&hl=en :: "What APN settings are you using with AT&T? - Android Forums at ..." http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-samsung-galaxy-nexus/155386-what-apn-settings-you-using-t.html :: "Anyone activated Nexus 4 on ATT - Android Forums at AndroidCentral.com" http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-4/226814-anyon…
[18:10] <Kilos> ai!
[18:11] <Kilos> dont google understand buy a battery
[18:12] <Kilos> ons bot is siek weer met koffie maak
[18:53] <Kilos> Maaz, announce Monthly meeting here tomorrow night all of you. Please try attend @ 19.30
[18:53] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos! Monthly meeting here tomorrow night all of you. Please try attend @ 19.30
[18:53] <theblazehen> Wasn't that a bit redundant?
[18:54] <Kilos> explain
[18:54] <Kilos> ?
[18:54] <theblazehen> You told him to announce, and then he announced the same thing
[18:54] <theblazehen> unless he /msg's offline members?
[18:56] <Kilos> lol yeah i dunno 
[18:56] <theblazehen> ok
[18:57] <Kilos> maybe its just for show
[18:58] <theblazehen> yeah lol
[18:59] <Kilos> but he gives good messages to peeps when they come online
[18:59] <theblazehen> ah ok
[19:02] <Kilos> i go sleep now. night you all see ya tomorrow
[19:02] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:02] <kbmonkey> hey hey
[19:02] <Kilos> ohi kbmonkey 
[19:02] <theblazehen> night Kilos hey kbmonkey 
[19:03] <Kilos> you chairing hey
[19:03] <kbmonkey> sure, and tabling and couching and bedding ;)
[19:03] <theblazehen> lol kbmonkey
[19:03] <Kilos> and you can add in the agenda about the classes on #linux-studies
[19:04] <theblazehen> ooh awesome Kilos 
[19:04] <kbmonkey> good idea Kilos 
[19:05] <kbmonkey> say, is it for bash scripting, or python programming?
[19:05] <kbmonkey> or both?
[19:05] <Kilos> but looks like python gonna have to take back seat to bash hash dash and crash
[19:05] <Kilos> well we can discuss it at the meet
[19:06] <kbmonkey> i made a game in 12 hours today
[19:06] <Kilos> what kinda game
[19:06] <theblazehen> kbmonkey, Nice! link if it's online?
[19:06] <kbmonkey> for ludum dare, a online game coding compo this weekend.
[19:06] <kbmonkey> sure hang on theblazehen ..
[19:07] <kbmonkey> http://www.ludumdare.com/compo/ludum-dare-27/?action=preview&uid=26303
[19:07] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:07] <theblazehen> thanks kbmonkey 
[19:07] <inetpro> who said you should first learn bash scriptng?
[19:08] <theblazehen> ooh nice game
[19:08] <theblazehen> bit like first stage in spore
[19:08] <kbmonkey> Kilos, it is like you are a microbe organism, and you move around eating other microbes to stay alive, and avoid enemy microbes that eat yourlife
[19:08] <Kilos> the pro kbmonkey 
[19:08] <kbmonkey> spore?
[19:08] <theblazehen> that game...
[19:09]  * inetpro just wants beginners to learn shell basics based on good documentation of something like the bash guides
[19:09] <kbmonkey> oh.. do not know of that :)
[19:09] <theblazehen> +1 inetpro 
[19:09] <kbmonkey> ah thanks for clearing that up inetpro - I'm making a meeting agenda item to metnion that.
[19:09] <kbmonkey> mention that*
[19:10] <inetpro> kbmonkey: I shall try to be there
[19:10] <Kilos> inetpro, there are too many new things to remember there
[19:10] <inetpro> but I may have a bit of a challenge
[19:10] <inetpro> have to be at school meeting with my son
[19:10] <Kilos> operator operand and lotsa funny stuffs
[19:11] <inetpro> to choose subjects for grade 10
[19:11] <Kilos> you gotta do what you gotta do inetpro 
[19:11] <kbmonkey> no worries, it is just to tell everyone who does not yet know. is there a scheduled time I can add when an informal gathering can happen on #linux-studies?
[19:11] <Kilos> we will accept you coming 10 mins late
[19:11] <inetpro> I might be back on time though
[19:12] <inetpro> all depends on how long those teachers keep talking
[19:12] <Kilos> kbmonkey, we gotta decide on a day as well
[19:12] <Kilos> and maybe time for family peeps to get kids fed and bedded
[19:13] <kbmonkey> inetpro, if you like I could say for everyone interested to hang around in the chan after our meet, in case you get to pop in?
[19:13] <Kilos> he will make it man
[19:13] <Kilos> he will just rush the teachers
[19:14] <kbmonkey> I will type really s l o w l y so the meeting will take longer to end ;)
[19:14] <inetpro> kbmonkey: no problemos
[19:14] <Kilos> lol
[19:15]  * inetpro was very upset this afternoon again
[19:15] <Kilos> why now?
[19:15] <kbmonkey> why?
[19:16] <inetpro> some oke acting like everyone owed him a favour at church
[19:16] <Kilos> inetpro, also ask crash kid to fix maaz so we have coffee tomorrow night please
[19:16] <inetpro> ended up stealing my wife cellphone
[19:16] <Kilos> wow\
[19:16] <inetpro> wife's
[19:17] <inetpro> out of her handbag 
[19:17] <Kilos> do you know him?
[19:17] <kbmonkey> that is not very nice. may the fleas of a thousand camels infest his armpits.
[19:17] <inetpro> was a matter of 5 minutes that she left her handbag in the hall to go fetch something outside
[19:17] <Kilos> ai!
[19:18] <Kilos> do you know him i asked?????
[19:18] <inetpro> he came in from the street
[19:18] <Kilos> ai!
[19:19] <inetpro> he actually acted like he had a fit and had some ladies help him before he suddenly vanished
[19:19] <Kilos> remember his face he will be back for more sometime
[19:20] <kbmonkey> toys in the attic
[19:20] <Kilos> then break his legs
[19:20] <Kilos> not violently
[19:20] <inetpro> :-)
[19:20] <Kilos> with a smile on your face
[19:20] <inetpro> ai!
[19:21] <inetpro> oh well, at least it's one less blackberry in the family
[19:21] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:21] <kbmonkey> he probably picked up some bad habit working for the govt
[19:21] <Kilos> polution
[19:23] <inetpro> amazing how these guys know to exploit the soft targets like that
[19:23] <Kilos> yeah
[19:23]  * inetpro wonders how many cellphones are stolen on the church grounds
[19:24] <inetpro> on church grounds*
[19:24] <Kilos> evil has no boundaries
[19:24] <kbmonkey> true that Kilos. that's why zombies resurrect there too
[19:25] <Kilos> hehe
[19:25] <inetpro> Kilos: anyway you wanted to sleep
[19:25]  * kbmonkey checks zombie survival kit
[19:25] <Kilos> oh ya. sorry about that bad news
[19:25] <kbmonkey> yep, see you all tomorrow night then o/
[19:25] <Kilos> night all
[19:29] <inetpro> maybe he just needed that phone very urgently
[19:29] <inetpro> at least it is replaceable