[02:40] <infinitux> hi
[02:40] <infinitux> anybody know anything about midi pianos?
[02:41] <holstein> yes
[02:41] <infinitux> great.
[02:41] <infinitux> i'm trying to set mine up in linux
[02:41] <holstein> with what interface?
[02:41] <infinitux> I have no idea what i'm doing.
[02:41] <infinitux> lol
[02:41] <holstein> infinitux: let me tell you how i set up my maudio keyboard, and maybe that will help
[02:41] <infinitux> well i've been trying to get it to work with whatever i need
[02:41] <holstein> i plug it in
[02:42] <infinitux> okay, i have an maudio oxygen 49
[02:42] <infinitux> i've gotten as far as seeing input from the keyboard
[02:42] <holstein> i have another USB midi controller that i use with other keyoards via midi, and this is how i set it up..
[02:42] <holstein> i plug it in
[02:42] <holstein> if you need special firmware, i personally havent needed that, so i might not be much help
[02:42] <infinitux> if I do: amidi -p hw:2,0,0 -d my piano shows input
[02:42] <holstein> you might get more help in #opensourcemusicians
[02:43] <infinitux> cool holstein thanks
[02:43] <holstein> what do i do?
[02:43] <holstein> i plug it in, and i run jack.. i open something like yoshimi, and make connections in jack and test it
[02:43] <holstein> its very likely its all just working, and waiting to be properly connected
[02:43] <holstein> !info a2jmidid
[02:43] <infinitux> okay, that's what i'm trying to do but i'm failing because i don't know how to make the connections right
[02:43] <holstein> ^^ is handy, if needed
[02:44] <holstein> infinitux: you literally click and drag connections in JACK
[02:44] <holstein> !proaudio
[02:44] <infinitux> thanks
[02:45] <infinitux> it would be a nice starter to get lmms and rosegarden working
[02:45] <infinitux> and mess with some different synth instruments
[02:46] <holstein> yeah
[02:46] <holstein> dont do that
[02:47] <holstein> just keep it simple
[02:47] <holstein> open literally the application i suggested.. yoshimi
[02:47] <holstein> use the keyboard from the menu to make sure the synth (yoshimi) is making sound
[02:48] <holstein> then, connect your keyboard to it (in JACK) and troubleshoot til that makes sound
[02:48] <holstein> *then*, you'll know how to run the 3 other things you are talking about
[02:52] <infinitux> okay
[02:52] <infinitux> that's a starter for me
[02:52] <infinitux> thanks
[02:54] <infinitux> okay i got yoshimi running
[02:55] <infinitux> not getting and sound from the virkbd
[02:55] <holstein> then, you start with that
[02:55] <holstein> you dont have audio connected properly
[02:55] <infinitux> can you help me connect it?
[02:55] <infinitux> that's my issue
[02:56] <holstein> infinitux: you open jack, and draw a ling between the outputs of yoshimi and the inputs of your sound card
[02:56] <infinitux> in connections under audio?
[02:56] <holstein> infinitux: "connect"
[02:56] <infinitux> readable clients/output ports | writable clients / input ports
[02:57] <holstein> correct
[02:57] <infinitux> yoshimi | system
[02:57] <holstein> and different tabs
[02:57] <infinitux> okay
[02:57] <holstein> i usually suggest, hook everything to everything, til you sort out what is what
[02:57] <infinitux> okay, now i have sound in virKbd
[02:58] <holstein> ok.. so you do the same sort of connecting in the alsa and/or midi tab
[02:58] <infinitux> okay
[02:58] <holstein> if find yoshimi in one place and the keybaord in another, try a2jmidid
[02:59] <infinitux> under midi i have:
[02:59] <infinitux> readable clients / output ports | writable clients / input ports
[02:59] <holstein> infinitux: if you dont have both the keybaord and yoshimi, use a2jmidid
[02:59] <infinitux> "Blank" | yoshimi -> midi in
[02:59] <holstein> the issue with sharing those with me is, they can be diffent for you hardware than for mine
[02:59] <infinitux> and under ALSA:
[03:00] <holstein> so, i cant say "click this exact thing"
[03:00] <holstein> again, connect them *all* and test what is what
[03:00] <holstein> it literally wont hurt to run a2jmidid either.. you open a terminal and type that
[03:01] <infinitux> i did install that
[03:01] <holstein> you have to run it
[03:01] <holstein> open a terminal and type that in
[03:08] <infinitux> did that
[03:09] <holstein> that?
[03:17] <infinitux> lol
[03:17] <holstein> ?
[03:17] <infinitux> seems like i'm so close
[03:17] <holstein> i think so
[03:17] <infinitux> i managed to get the audio piping to work between yoshimi and the sound device
[03:18] <holstein> yup.. thats a good step
[03:18] <infinitux> and i can see my keyboard under alsa, but whatever i pipe it to has no sound
[03:18] <holstein> your keyboard is not capable of making sounds
[03:18] <infinitux> yes i know
[03:18] <holstein> you pipe it to yoshimi
[03:18] <infinitux> that's what i'm trying to do, but apparently i'm doing it wrong
[03:18] <holstein> OK.. just making sure
[03:18] <holstein> infinitux: take a screenie if you thing it'll help..
[03:18] <holstein> !paste
[03:20] <infinitux> think i'll do that
[03:21] <infinitux> think a2j isn't capturing the right device
[03:21] <infinitux> if it were i could connect it to yoshimi and it would work
[03:21] <infinitux> i just simply ran a2jmidid
[03:21] <infinitux> with no parameters
[03:22] <holstein> right... you dot have to
[03:22] <holstein> it creates an entry you can pipe to the other tab
[03:27] <infinitux> http://www.pasteall.org/pic/58135 and http://www.pasteall.org/pic/58136 and http://www.pasteall.org/pic/58137
[03:27] <infinitux> that shows the jack network
[03:28] <infinitux> what am i doing wrong?
[03:29] <holstein> infinitux: the midi thru port.. pretty sure
[03:30] <holstein> in the "alsa" tab
[03:30] <infinitux> okay
[03:30] <holstein> connect oxygen to midi through
[03:30] <infinitux> oxygen to midi through?
[03:30] <holstein> then, in midi, connect midi trhough to yoshimi (or whatever)
[03:31] <holstein> there *is* an easier way, and i'll have someone show you.. but i forget it
[03:31] <holstein> but, that will work
[03:32] <infinitux> i did all that, but it's still mute
[03:32] <infinitux> I suck!
[03:32] <holstein> nah...
[03:33] <infinitux> lol
[03:37] <holstein> relevant http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1401008
[03:41] <infinitux> kinda complicated!
[03:41] <infinitux> your average joe couldn't figure this out
[03:43] <holstein> infinitux: its not necessarily "user friendly", but its worth it
[03:43] <holstein> and, there is an easier way, i just never learned it
[03:47] <infinitux> :(
[03:47] <infinitux> still no success
[03:47] <holstein> you'll get it.. just hang in #opensourcemusicians and ask
[03:49] <infinitux> just a hunch, but maybe there is something wrong
[03:49] <infinitux> it seems i'm making the connections right
[03:49] <holstein> maybe
[03:49] <holstein> i dont know if that particular maudio hardware actually works
[03:50] <infinitux> it does
[03:50] <holstein> though, i thought it did
[03:51] <infinitux> if I execute: amidi -p hw:2,0,0 -d I do see output from my midi piano when pressing keys
[03:51] <infinitux> i know the piano works and the driver works
[03:51] <holstein> eh.. i believe it when i hear it
[03:51] <holstein> though, im sure you're right
[03:52] <holstein> anyways.. you'll get it.. you can always try #ardour, but i think the opensourcemsusicians channel is best.. hang here as long as you like as well
[05:10] <infinitux> holstein: you still there?
[21:37] <ng_> Hi guys, Im having issues with jackd, the folks at #jack couldnt help me with this, they told me like im having more than one version installed
[21:37] <ng_> so the output of: sudo find / -name libjack\* is http://pastebin.com/3Q3GTbpH
[21:40] <zequence> ng_: Having two versions would have to mean you compiled jack aside from installing it
[21:40] <zequence> or you used a non official package to install another version of jack
[21:40] <zequence> or script, etc
[21:40] <zequence> Did you do any of those things, or you just installed using apt?
[21:40] <zequence> ng_: And also, have you added any PPAs that have jackd in them?
[21:41] <ng_> well, it is possible I dont rememeber right now, because I have ubuntu desktop with jack working, then I upgraded to ubuntu-studio to hadd realtime support
[21:41] <zequence> how did you upgrade?
[21:42] <zequence> and what is it that you don't remember?
[21:42] <ng_> I dont rememeber how I did install jack
[21:42] <zequence> could you do: ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[21:42] <zequence> ng_: I don't understand. You don't remember if you compiled your own jack, or installed it?
[21:43] <ng_> http://pastebin.com/ThNw9uiM
[21:43] <zequence> ng_: You don't have Ubuntu Studio. And you have tons of PPAs
[21:43] <zequence> ng_: Including the KXStudio PPA
[21:44] <zequence> ng_: Which means, it's not Ubuntu Studio you have installed
[21:44] <zequence> ng_: you could try #kxstudio
[21:44] <zequence> The KXStudio PPA overrides the packages normally installed with Ubuntu Studio
[21:44] <zequence> The only thing you have from Ubuntu Studio is the theme pretty much
[21:44] <ng_> really? I thought I have it because the splash screen says ubuntu-studio
[21:45] <zequence> Yes, that's the theming
[21:45] <zequence> The way jack is packaged in KXStudio is not the same as in Ubuntu Studio
[21:46] <zequence> The jack you have is not Ubuntu
[21:46] <zequence> and what is in Ubuntu Studio is the same as in Ubuntu.
[21:46] <zequence> apart from setting up realtime privilege, the only thing that differs between Ubuntu and UBuntu Studio is theming
[21:46] <zequence> all the packages are the same, as they are in the same repo
[21:46] <ng_> yes now that you mention I rememeber installing jack from kxstudio
[21:46] <zequence> but, KXStudio has its own packages
[21:46] <zequence> Well, of course you did
[21:46] <ng_> :)
[21:47] <zequence> Adding PPAs means you change the system
[21:47] <ng_> what If I just remove the PPa, apt-get pruge and then install them again?
[21:47] <zequence> No garantees
[21:47] <zequence> but you could ask someone at #kxstudio for help
[21:48] <ng_> ok
[21:49] <ng_> and what shall I do to get ubuntu studio ?
[21:49] <zequence> The best would be to do a fresh install
[21:49] <zequence> check http://ubuntustudio.org/download
[21:50] <ng_> mm
[21:50] <ng_> is there anyway to 'upgrade' ubuntu desktop to ubuntu-studio ?
[21:52] <ng_> like I did with the theme, but for audio or video ?
[22:09] <zequence> ng_: Sure. Install the meta packages
[22:09] <zequence> ng_: do: apt-cache search ubuntustudio
[22:10] <zequence> install the ones that you are interested in. I suppose -audio
[22:10] <zequence> And if you need low latency, install linux-lowlatency
[22:10] <zequence> you'll need to add yourself to audio groupt to get realtime privilege
[22:10] <zequence> sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER
[22:10] <zequence> $USER is an env variable. You can see what it stands for with: echo $USER
[22:10] <ng_> those are package names?
[22:10] <ng_> linux-lowlatency ?
[22:11] <zequence> linux-lowlatency is a package name yes
[22:11] <zequence> ubuntustudio-audio is another package name
[22:11] <ng_> says ubuntustudio-audio already installed
[22:12] <zequence> ng_: Well, yes. But you don't have a clean install of Ubuntu
[22:12] <zequence> ng_: You have a lot of stuff in that system
[22:12] <zequence> installing Ubuntu Studio metas is not going to remove KXStudio
[22:13] <zequence> as I told you before, KX repos override the Ubuntu ones
[22:13] <zequence> Ubuntu Studio == Ubuntu
[22:13] <ng_> yep Im also removing kxstudio right now
[22:13] <zequence> There's no guarantee the system will be right once you have done that
[22:13] <ng_> ppa purge should work for that
[22:13] <zequence> Yeah, but it won't remove the packages
[22:13] <zequence> and you can't uninstall them easily
[22:14] <zequence> plus you will most probably have some settings left that mess things up
[22:14] <zequence> As I said before - do a fresh install
[22:14] <zequence> that would be the easiest way
[22:14] <ng_> what if I ppa purge kxstudio, then apt-get purge ubuntustudio-audio, then apt-get intall ubuntustudio-audio
[22:15] <zequence> Well, whatever. It's your system :)
[22:15] <zequence> removing ubuntustudio-audio will only remove the meta. Not any packages
[22:16] <zequence> and you don't need to uninstall ubuntustudio packages
[22:16] <zequence> you need to get rid of KXStudio packages plus settings
[22:16] <zequence> not sure you'll be able to do that so easily, is what I'm saying
[22:16] <ng_> ok
[22:16] <ng_> thanks again
[22:16] <zequence> ubuntustudio-audio is a meta package, meaning it doesn't contain anything. Just dependencies to lots of other packages
[22:17] <zequence> removing it won't uninstall the dependencies
[22:17] <zequence> and that doesn't matter, since none or very few of them are installed anyway, since KX packages have overridden them
[22:18] <zequence> That's usually the case with PPAs. You get newer versions, but they aren't apart of the supported Ubuntu release.
[22:18] <ng_> yes I know, just wanted it to let me install it again